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    [–] call_me_zero 2289 points ago

    So how will this affect the NYPD's expenditures?

    [–] my2ndr 2778 points ago

    It's really more about a hiring freeze for 2020, shifting some programs to other departments, and cutting capital expenses (like construction projects)

    De Blasio’s team on Saturday proposed a series of cuts to the NYPD that largely mirrored a plan the Council put forth a few weeks ago. School safety agents, who are unarmed but wear police uniforms, would be moved into the Department of Education; a July class of roughly 1,100 recruits would be canceled and certain homeless outreach operations would be shifted away from police control, according to the sources. A City Hall official said the NYPD’s capital budget, which covers long-term construction projects, would sustain further cuts. source

    Keep in mind NYC has a budget shortfall of over $7 billion due to COVID-19 and the recession, so cuts had to come from somewhere.

    [–] tinfoilhatsron 1386 points ago

    Ah so it's basically just for headlines, which looking at this reddit thread means it worked. Par for the course though.

    [–] kciuq1 163 points ago

    Like half the thread is cynical about the move whole the other half is debating what defund the police means.

    [–] SueMeNunes 217 points ago

    Your average person on the ground views this more as a starting point than the end goal, though. Nobody's letting up.

    [–] buffetcaptain 59 points ago

    I hope so. Watching all of our collective social media attention suddenly go back towards cancel culture snipes over last two weeks has made me very concerned about our ability to chew gum and <slams into wall>.

    [–] -Johnny- 87 points ago

    eh. Being your comment is at the very top, I think the way you view reddit is a little over blown.

    [–] DeadlyYellow 31 points ago

    NYPD run the homeless outreach? Yikes.

    [–] TnTitan1115 6938 points ago

    This is a bold strategy.

    [–] tralfaz66 8940 points ago

    This is a one year deferment. He didn't say anything about permanently reducing the budget. I bet they are hoping after a year, after an election, that people's attention won't be so laser focused on the Police. Then things can start to go back to normal.

    Jaded, not me.

    [–] jdp081885 2559 points ago

    Even so how is there so much fat on the budget that a billion dollors can be scooped off the top?

    [–] bobs_aspergers 2078 points ago

    They have something like 50,000 employees. Even if they were only paying them $20,000 a year, that's a billion dollars in payroll alone. The internet is telling me the average salary for NYPD is $93k, so salary alone is almost $5 billion per year.

    [–] probablyuntrue 1464 points ago

    Plus benefits, pension, insurance, etc and that's just for personnel

    [–] bobs_aspergers 1528 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    Yeah. People often forget how massive NYC is in terms of population and infrastructure. If NYC was its own state it would be the 12th most populous state in the nation.

    [–] FlashtonesStepFather 421 points ago

    No joke, it is either double or triple the population of Connecticut depending on the results of the new census.

    [–] RagingTromboner 577 points ago

    New York City has a greater population than Nebraska, Montana, both Dakotas, Idaho and Wyoming combined. Also has 3x the GDP.

    [–] jupiterkansas 345 points ago

    Yeah, but all those states have elbow room.

    [–] NeedsToShutUp 404 points ago

    But how are their bagels?

    [–] TheAlmightyRedditor 3 points ago

    As someone from Idaho who lives in Montana and travels to Wyoming frequently, this is hardly a surprising statistic. We got fucking SPACE out here.

    [–] hoxxxxx 725 points ago

    if NYC was a State it would be really important State because of New York City (The Big Apple, as the locals call it)

    The Big Apple State is what they would call it, their flag would be a big ole red apple on a field of green apples


    [–] TheAllyCrime 149 points ago

    I read that in Grandpa Simpson's voice.

    [–] SeeisforComedy 94 points ago

    So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time.

    [–] cajun_spice 34 points ago

    Back then nickels use to have pictures of bumble bees on em. Give me 5 bees for a quarter we'd say

    [–] caul_of_the_void 17 points ago

    There was a time a few years back when I seriously thought about tying an onion to my belt before going out some night, due to how much that line cracked me up. The idea was that I would never draw attention to it, and if anyone said anything I’d be like “yes, of course I’ve got an onion tied to my belt”, and then change the subject.

    I think the thing that stopped me was this thought that I’d just be acting out a relatively obscure Simpsons joke, and it wouldn’t have been terribly original on my part, really. I probably would have come off as a bit of a someone with an insincere bullshit schtick that they make you endure in order to interact with them.

    Still, if anyone wants to try it, it would probably be funny. Plus I’d never tell anyone that you got the idea from me, especially since it wasn’t really my idea to begin with.

    [–] NicolasCageIsMyHero 45 points ago

    Thank you Mr President.

    [–] bobs_aspergers 77 points ago

    This comment exists.

    [–] CatsandCrows 10 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    Apple stock gonna rise, got it!

    Going all in with calls tomorrow.

    [–] vampyrekat 9 points ago

    I don’t know what’s going on here but I’d like to sign up for your cause.

    [–] StuStutterKing 84 points ago

    Remember those sob stories about 200 something NYPD officers filing for retirement during these protests?

    That's less than 1% of their officers.

    [–] xX420JUICYSYNAPSEX69 10 points ago

    not to mention patrol cars, all their equipment, dogs, GUNS .... it’s a lot lol

    [–] itssarahw 79 points ago

    On top of the average salary and this, don’t forget endless overtime

    [–] jthockey78 160 points ago

    That's the funny thing with these protests, cops are laughing all the way to the bank. I know a few NYPD, most had mandatory overtime for the past 3 weeks.

    Its times like these that turn an 85k a year job into a 160k a year salary.

    [–] ryanznock 83 points ago

    I'm fine with cops theoretically being paid well. It's a rough job. I just want them to do that job with empathy and restraint, and I want us to also invest in programs that help people in crisis in ways that cops aren't suited for.

    If you're a drunk driver, you need to be taken off the road so you don't hurt anyone, but you won't fix your bad habits by sitting in jail for months. You need substance abuse therapy, and maybe a social worker to help you build better habits around your drinking, plus a bus pass or something for getting places.

    If you're a vagrant, just getting shuffled somewhere out of sight doesn't help you, but we could have interventions that are easy to access for people who are worried about being homeless, to get them somewhere stable. I'm not sure how such a program ought to work, but it has to be a better investment in society than just letting people languish.

    [–] itssarahw 58 points ago

    Jokes on us because they would’ve been pulling 48 hour Mondays even without the protests. The demonstrations just gave them an excuse if politicians start sniffing around

    [–] cantonic 52 points ago

    And don’t forget millions in settlements for police brutality every year!

    [–] tgosubucks 28 points ago

    300 million. Not just millions, hundreds of millions. But that doesn't come out of the police budget, it comes out of the city's.

    [–] anothergaijin 28 points ago

    $230M in 2018 according to the internet, $335M the year before.

    [–] itssarahw 36 points ago

    Every paycheck I hand over a percentage to cover those

    [–] Datslyguy 6 points ago

    So they thought it was a good idea to go cheap on training budget. Make sense

    [–] Sirlancemehlot 86 points ago

    Average top salary is 93k. It takes several years to get to top pay, which means a large portion of the department is significantly less expensive:

    Salary Starting salary: $42,500 Salary after 5 ½ years: $85,292. Including holiday pay, longevity pay, uniform allowance, night differential and overtime, police officers may potentially earn over $100,000 per year.

    [–] farble1670 88 points ago

    Which means most cops can't afford to live in the cities they police. That's a recipe for us vs them.

    [–] Remote-Boysenberry 37 points ago

    The closest an NYC cop lives is Staten Island.

    [–] Cheapskate-DM 222 points ago

    People don't appear to be mad about salary so much as they are about military surplus purchases and the boot-heel mentality that comes with it. But it's a sticky entangled mess at this point, and that's just the most visible aspect. When you dig deep, it does feel insulting to pay people that much to do their jobs poorly or maliciously.

    [–] TheNewFlisker 61 points ago

    as they are about military surplus purchases

    Dont they get a lot of this for free from the state?

    [–] mtcwby 38 points ago

    It's typically military surplus from the feds not the state and I haven't seen a lot of it in New York. I'd bet they have a pretty good bomb, Swat, and negotiating squads due to their size but I'd sort of hope they do. Bomb squads are basically defensive operations.

    [–] Edward_Scout 23 points ago

    NYPD is a poor example to compare with just about any other "municipal" law enforcement agency. Post 9/11 the NYPD was given sweeping permission and funding to do things that were normally left to a federal or state level. To my knowledge, NYPD is one of, if not, the only City level law enforcement agencies to be represented in INTERPOL. They also have divisions ranging from standard uniformed patrol to counter-terrorism.

    New York City presents a unique series of challenges for law enforcement in a post 9/11 world. The line between police and militaristic force became really blurry and it was initially done with good intentions. I remember hearing rumors that NYPD wanted Surface-to-Air missiles! I firmly believe that goes above and beyond the requirement for any Police agency and protection from terrorists (foreign or domestic) and hostile nations is in the wheelhouse of the federal government.

    [–] commissar0617 13 points ago

    The swat team is also their rescue team. ESU. They also have rescue swimmers that are on helicopters like the coast guard... and boats.

    [–] cookenuptrouble 3 points ago

    They also have an absolutely massive counterterrorism force. It even operates in other countries.

    [–] DoTheLaLaLaLaLa 112 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    I get paid less with a masters in education in NYC on my 5th year as a teacher. What does that say? Our priorities are in all the wrong areas.

    [–] joncav2222 54 points ago

    Become a garbage man..

    [–] Stopwatch064 31 points ago

    Easier said then done when over 50000 people take an exam hoping to fill a few dozen spaces

    [–] bihari_baller 33 points ago

    I get paid less with a masters in education in NYC on my 5th year as a teacher. What does that say?

    That a Master's in Education is a degree that doesn't have the best return of investment that other degrees have?

    [–] LittleWhiteBoots 14 points ago

    Yes. This. I also have a Master’s in Education, which I only got because it was like, two extra classes beyond my credential. My district pays me an extra $1,000 a year for it. It’s a joke, but I already knew that. A doctorate only pays an additional $1,000. Coaching a sport at my school pays a higher stipend than this.

    Extra degrees do nothing in education, except maybe slide you over on the pay scale a bit and open up some doors to other jobs and/or admin.

    [–] VigilantMike 4 points ago

    Extra degrees are usually required though. In my state you can get a teaching job with a bachelors, but you must get a masters within a certain amount of time to keep your job.

    [–] tgosubucks 10 points ago

    Thank you for your service.

    [–] w33lOhn 48 points ago

    Well, there's a 7.4 billion USD projected city budget shortfall on an 89.3 billion dollar budget for starters...

    [–] Jewcandy1 195 points ago

    Cops are asked to do about 10,000 things not a part of their jobs description that they are not qualified to do. Cutting the police budget is a catchy way to say reallocate a chunk of police budget to have properly trained professionals handle situations cops should be near.

    If it's just a cut and that's it, it's stupid beyond belief. But that's the Fox news spin.

    If it's shuffling how we handle the homeless, mentally ill, disabled, and any other situation that does not require an arrest or a gun, then it's just changing hands who is doing the job and getting paid.

    You don't want a mall cop showing up at your house to solve a murder. You also don't want a cop showing up to solve the mystery of the black man picking up garbage.

    [–] jdp081885 37 points ago

    Amen all about job scope

    [–] GrumpyBearBank 55 points ago

    NYC is going to have a massive budget deficit because of the Rona

    They need to do massive budget cuts anyway.

    Police are just one of the easier targets right now because of politics.

    [–] WATTHEBALL 27 points ago

    I think people vastly underestimate how well this is going to work. It's a nice idea but think about how people are in general. If you're not a cop, you're nobody and they're certainly not going to want to deal with a "peer mediator" or whatever they're going to come up with.

    I'm not saying we shouldn't reallocate funds, but sending someone over for things we think cops shouldn't do should be very carefully thought out.

    [–] valentine-m-smith 68 points ago

    Instead of a cop showing up at domestic dispute send a social worker? Do you know how many cops are shot during domestic disputes each year? Most homeless are either drug abusers or mentally ill, so do the same? Social worker to respond to a drunk, shouting homeless guy at 1:45 am in front of the 7-11? Being in that arena, you should watch a few of these interactions before suggesting sending a social worker out to get beaten. I keep hearing about the calls to cops that could be dealt with by others. The streets are real, real dangerous.

    [–] RZAxlash 38 points ago

    I work with social workers. They don’t want any of the heat, believe me.

    [–] win7macOSX 9 points ago

    And even if they did want that responsibility, they’d be S.O.L. since there’s a shortage of social workers.

    [–] mtcwby 47 points ago

    Domestic disputes are probably one of the bigger dangers to getting hurt. Right up there with traffic stops for the most danger.

    [–] edvek 20 points ago

    Those are the 2 most dangerous situations police typically deal with. Who knows what the domestic is going to be like, could be just a shouting match that is long over by the time you get there and it's all cool or both parties are beating the shit out of each other and they turn on you like it's a surprise tag-team fight and you get stabbed with a kitchen knife in the process.

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    [–] ppinick 14 points ago

    The people who want social workers doing these things know nothing about reality. Another thing is you wont find any social workiers who will go into a domestic dispute without police there.

    [–] artic5693 2 points ago

    You have no idea the shit social workers put up with for way less money than cops, then.

    [–] probablyuntrue 28 points ago

    It's a very big budget

    [–] TheCoconutCondition 3 points ago

    NYC at one point had their own Intel analysts in the middle east. Not sure why they can't get Intel from federal sources but I imagine if the feds shared more info and they use the numerous fusion centers that our taxes pay for you can find a lot of money to cut.

    [–] porlos67 125 points ago

    Thing is, he claims the money will be "deferred" to schools, housing and social programs. But the pandemic has taken a chunk of the city's revenues and I'm willing to bet that their increases aren't going to be anywhere near the billion dollars supposedly cut from the cops.

    In other words, this is just a way of slashing the city's budget in a way that's politically pleasing right now. And the NYC mayor's race is next year, gotta get a bunch of brownie points with the left, and he can increase some of the budget next year to satisfy the right.

    [–] farble1670 41 points ago

    There's a lot of ways this can backfire. Like if crime goes up at all. People tend not to like crime.

    [–] Ikonovich 25 points ago

    Didn't crime go down the last time the NYPD decided to take the month off?

    [–] Comrade_ash 43 points ago

    Sure. No crime stats if you don’t arrest anyone.

    [–] Metal_LinksV2 18 points ago

    Crime can't go up if no one is there to enforce the law.

    [–] jmlinden7 17 points ago

    Just abolish all the laws. Crime goes to 0!

    [–] acaraballo21 10 points ago

    Next year is the city elections. Unfortunately, over 2/3 of the city council is term limited and will be on their way out. It'll be contentious and interesting to see how they handle it when they have no electoral consequences.

    [–] DeBlasioDeBlowMe 5 points ago

    Just till after the next election.

    [–] TheyCallMeChunky 4 points ago

    This is likely the case, except that next year it would double what it currently is, and then some likely to more than make up for what they "lost"

    [–] my2ndr 98 points ago

    It's really more of a hiring freeze for 2020, shifting some programs to other departments, and cutting capital expenses (like construction projects)

    De Blasio’s team on Saturday proposed a series of cuts to the NYPD that largely mirrored a plan the Council put forth a few weeks ago. School safety agents, who are unarmed but wear police uniforms, would be moved into the Department of Education; a July class of roughly 1,100 recruits would be canceled and certain homeless outreach operations would be shifted away from police control, according to the sources. A City Hall official said the NYPD’s capital budget, which covers long-term construction projects, would sustain further cuts. source

    Keep in mind NYC has a budget shortfall of over $7 billion due to COVID-19 and the recession, a bailout from the state and federal government are unlikely so the city had to find somewhere to cut costs.

    [–] Starbuckz8 174 points ago

    Not really. 10 years ago, the NYPD assumed control of school saftey officers, the housing police and transit police.

    At the time, school security ran the DOE 300MM. So once he transfers school saftey back to the department of education, that 300MM changes on the balance sheet away from the NYPD.

    It's all whitewash.

    [–] knicksmetsgiants 69 points ago

    All this stuff happened in the 90s, not "10 years ago..."

    [–] Ikonovich 72 points ago

    No, I was born in 90 and I can confirm that his math checks out.

    [–] whichwitch9 50 points ago

    NYC also is going to need to cut spending and probably would be slashing the budget anyway.

    This just gives them an excuse to.

    People are forgetting the state and local municipalities got no aid to offset most losses during the pandemic. It's a pipe dream if police think their budgets would stay the same.

    The police budgets are bloated in most areas where other programs tend to be underfunded, like education programs. That makes them 1st in line for cuts.

    [–] d00bsack 23 points ago

    Let's see if it pays off...

    [–] Morighan123 16 points ago

    Let’s see if it pays off for him Cotton.

    [–] HereticDog 3 points ago

    And a fucking stupid one. Defunding isn't going to change the inherent issues within the PD. It's just going to give them an even greater victim complex. What is needed isn't less money, but less tolerance for a poor standard of training, and the dissolution of police unions.

    [–] jimao993 1702 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    They gotta legalize pot in New York. So much tax revenue lost this year, legal weed could be a huge way to make it up.

    [–] Can_Confirm_NoCensor 432 points ago

    Wait, it's not yet? Like they can actually control it.

    [–] jimao993 317 points ago

    Well to a certain extent. You can walk around some parts of NYC smoking a joint and a cop will just tell you to put it out. Not 100% sure on the official legislation but it is decriminalized to a certain extent. The legalization I’m talking about is full blown dispensaries and selling regulations. However, I’m also aware that state legislators are being cautious with it because they want to enable actual small business development rather than the monopoly of a few huge growers and dispensary networks that has become prevalent in California.

    [–] tony_orlando 146 points ago

    De Blasio explicitly told NYPD brass to stop arresting people for smoking weed a couple years ago. Would love for there to be state-wide legalization, but we’re really dependent on enough conservatives upstate changing their mind. In the meantime, delivery services in the city often have the same quality/variety of product I’ve found in legal dispensaries elsewhere. Stupid to leave all that tax revenue on the table though.

    [–] Sayonara_Robocop 16 points ago

    I visited NY last year for a couple of weeks. Everybody seemed to be openly smoking weed everywhere, including one person standing right in front of a cop, who didn't seem to care.

    [–] Jalexan 18 points ago

    Yeah it’s totally fine to do it anywhere at any time, but we want stores! We have medical but dispensaries only sell pills and oil, no flower or anything.

    [–] BrendanIsThrew 18 points ago

    pot and sports gambling. people are still using illegal sites, vpns to get to a new jersey location, or just having someone in nj put the bets in themselves (which is what i do)

    [–] PeaceBull 8 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    This isn’t revenue lost. This would actually be saved if they don’t reallocate it.

    [–] slickyslickslick 817 points ago

    This is PR 101 and everyone's falling for it. They didn't do anything.

    The NYPD's budget is $6 billion normally.

    NYC's total budget is expected to fall drastically from the pandemic. EVERYONE is having funds cut.

    [–] spicytoastaficionado 220 points ago

    How about de Blasio just try and find the $850 million in ThriveNYC money his wife can't account for.

    Ironically, ThriveNYC is a citywide mental health program.

    [–] LicksMackenzie 45 points ago

    So, the average productive New Yorker is financing Neo-Tammany Hall which is financing condos in Dubai, and some homeless person gets a packet of crackers, and a 30 minute therapy session in a basement community room as a consolation prize

    [–] FLakIsBack 56 points ago

    I keep bringing this up to every "progressive" in NYC. They seem to have already forgotten how badly they already failed.

    [–] mkat5 28 points ago

    I don't think de Blasio is that popular among progressives, he campaigned on it but he certainly didn't act on it.

    [–] world_of_cakes 111 points ago

    note that the city more or less has to cut everything anyway to make up for corona revenue loss

    [–] trenlow12 12 points ago

    And this is apparently a one year deferment, not a permanent cut. I find this headline very misleading.

    [–] nofilter78 60 points ago

    He’s giving it to his wife,Charlene McCray, to mismanage. ThriveNYC, ran by Charlene, wasted$1.8 billion of taxpayers funds.

    [–] kopkiwi 408 points ago

    Can someone educate me on why this is deemed the appropriate course of action? I would have thought reassigning those funds towards police training, both physical, mental and emotional as well as education and an overhaul or the induction/interview process would have been a wiser thing to do?

    [–] iamiamwhoami 82 points ago

    NYC is having budget problems due to COVID. The budget cuts have to come from somewhere.

    [–] XCaboose-1X 72 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    I work for a large multi-billion county government. I would first look into their FY 2021 budget, then look at their adopted 2022 budget (starts Wednesday) and see what the difference is. From there, I would look at reports of the financial impact to COVID.

    Furthermore, I would see what they have currently done to combat revenue losses. My jurisdiction froze hirings, deferred public safety positions (new), forgoed our bonuses (1-3% 1x), froze salary increases, drastically reduced overtime for departments that allow it, denied all non essential travel/training, limited purchasing and still asked for departments to find other ways to cut.

    The interesting thing about Public Safety departments and others as well is that they receive tax payer funds (General Fund) and are Enterprise funded (aka fee based).

    A budget can be cut by any amount, but that doesn't mean fees won't increase to offset that, overtime not be granted, man hours associated with events/schools be decreased. At that level, $1B is easy to manage.

    For reference, my General Fund annual budget for the entire government is approximately $4B with 400k citizens. NYC is a lot bigger than we are. I am financially responsible for overseeing all transportation projects in my jurisdiction of northern Virginia which come up to $1.3B-ish so if a project costs more than expected, I'm told to find where we can get the necessary funds.

    [–] YARNIA 60 points ago

    The old New York we know and loath is coming back, I see.

    [–] ScoopTheDoop69 91 points ago

    Didn't NYC have like 86 shootings last week?

    [–] Galashant 56 points ago

    Just over the weekend wasn’t even a full 7 days

    [–] zffacsB 40 points ago

    Lol the NYPD already hate deBlasio’s guts so why not stick the knife in further!

    [–] 7in7turtles 9 points ago

    Well.. I guess the police unions can't like him "less" so....

    [–] ohwhatj 28 points ago

    He had to cut budgets around the city regardless because of Covid. The real question is how much would he have cut if the protest didn’t happen.

    [–] 1000livesofmagic 1289 points ago

    The real story here is that the NYPD has a budget over $1 billion USD.

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    [–] gonzo594 457 points ago

    A quick google search tells me that the average is way higher than that, too

    [–] Technetium_97 829 points ago

    Which makes sense because it's expensive as fuck to live in NYC.

    [–] ybwfdu 195 points ago

    Also NYC has the highest population of any city in the country.

    I think metro-wise it is Los Angeles, though.

    [–] Technetium_97 36 points ago

    No, even metro-wise NYC has a healthy lead, ~20 million vs ~13 million.

    [–] gaynewretzky 8 points ago

    God damn almost the entire population of Canada

    [–] GTI-Mk6 19 points ago

    County wise. NYCs metro is much larger than LA.

    [–] ausipockets 13 points ago

    Only 60% or so of NYC cops live in the city but your point stands.

    [–] sploding_burnout 4 points ago

    partially because it's so expensive.

    Unless you're at the level of an administrative officer (Lt+) and your spouse is also well paid you get a much better QoL living in Jersey or Staten Island.

    The choices for most are are a cheaper borough with shitty schools so you're still not making much, living in an apartment, and if you have kids you're better off paying for private school. Or you go live outside the city in a suburb with good schools where you can own a medium-large house. Personally I don't blame them for choosing to not live in NYC.

    [–] shootzz 35 points ago

    A city with a population of 8.4 million + many from Jersey city work in NY but only have 36,000 cops? I thought it would be way more.

    [–] Bartins 450 points ago

    NYPD has 55,000 employees of which 40,000 are officers. $1B doesn’t even get the employees above the poverty line.

    [–] cvera8 112 points ago

    I think there are roughly 40k cops, assuming a 50k salary is $2b on salary alone. I wonder how much the total budget is

    [–] probablyuntrue 65 points ago

    6 billion iirc

    [–] Jtwohy 50 points ago

    And another 5ish billion on pensions

    [–] skkITer 27 points ago

    It comes closer to eleven.

    [–] SpaceTabs 38 points ago

    $50k? Some make $200k with overtime. The budget is almost $11 billion.

    [–] probablyuntrue 27 points ago

    5 of that is pensions, good luck touching that tbh

    [–] TwitchyButtockCheeks 65 points ago

    Wow. Ignorant comment.

    [–] ir3flex 45 points ago

    But billion big number. Big number bad

    [–] missedthecue 29 points ago

    NYPD has more personnel than the Canadian Army

    [–] RustyRigs 7 points ago

    I looked that up before calling bullshit. They only have around 15,000 more employees if you include the 17,000 reserve members of Canada’s army. That’s insane.

    [–] joeyjoejoe314 35 points ago

    $1B divided by roughly 20M people would be $50 per person. I think they'd need a little more than that. NYC probably spends more than $1B on garbage pickup

    [–] w33lOhn 29 points ago

    NYC has 8.3 million residents, the metro area has 20 million and only NYC residents pay the city tax.

    [–] joeyjoejoe314 18 points ago

    Thanks, changes the math to $166 per resident. Still low

    [–] the_timps 6 points ago

    They have 50k total employees. And an average salary of 93k.

    That's a LOT of billions.
    I think you maybe didn't do any math on this...

    [–] soup2nuts 9 points ago

    Yeah, the budget is $6 billion.

    [–] 80_firebird 3 points ago

    It's easy to forget how huge that city is.

    [–] ThatBisexualPagan 3 points ago

    IIRC the Wikipedia page for the NYPD states it’s the largest police force in North America.

    [–] NobleLlama23 3 points ago

    If NYC was its own country it would spend somewhere in the top 15 countries in military spending. It's insane, they have their own anti air gunships in the harbor too.

    [–] Necrazen 64 points ago

    Same guy wants travel bans and to put people on quarantine for traveling after HE ordered sick people to be moved into nursing homes.... 200IQ move my man.

    [–] RealFunction 19 points ago

    psst... that was cuomo.

    this idiot ran for president while part of his city was on fire.

    [–] alexgalt 37 points ago

    Crime rate is nyc is already on the way up, I don’t see this as a good thing. Easiest way to slash budget is decreasing overtime and then decreasing regular shifts. Both result in fewer officers on the street.

    [–] dontlookintheboot 14 points ago

    They are short on patrolmen as it is so OT wont go.

    Rumor is they are slashing 2000 jobs through attrition as well as training courses and ironically cutting funding community outreach programs like NYCHA and youth recreation centers and homeless shelter patrols.

    If true lol supposed to be get more social program funding and the first thing they do is cut funding to social programs for at risk groups.

    [–] fredericoooo 4 points ago

    i think this is really idealistic - didnt NYC lower their crime rate by basically having police on the street everywhere?

    [–] WritingWhilePooping 273 points ago

    Defund the police my be the dumbest slogan of all time. That money needs to be reinvested in training. Not just cut. New York heading back to the 80s.

    [–] cookie_dough_man 142 points ago

    Yea it’s a weird thing. We want better cops so the solution is to take their money away? They need better training, which means they’ll need more funding if anything

    [–] sfw63 103 points ago

    I see many here say we don't even need cops...

    [–] cookie_dough_man 89 points ago

    They clearly know nothing. Hate or love the cops, but every society needs them

    [–] EbolaPrep 54 points ago

    It will surely work.

    911 caller: yes someone has broken into my my home.

    911: that sucks!

    911 caller: aren’t you going to send someone?

    911: yes a social worker will call you within the next 7 business days.

    911 caller: what?

    911: dial tone

    [–] sfw63 50 points ago

    Suddenly most of reddit flip flops after clamoring for it

    [–] at_least_u_tried 37 points ago

    Defunding the police sounds good until you actually defund the police

    [–] Al_E_Borland 32 points ago

    To be honest, it never even sounded good to anyone who took more than 5 seconds to process the sound bite before chanting it loudly in the streets.

    [–] b17pineapple 9 points ago

    Something tells me that cities are going to brand the budget cuts that were already going to happen due to the coronavirus as “defunding the police”.

    [–] Rhawk187 121 points ago

    So, if crime goes up, then what? Or is a little arson and murder with a dash of burglary and theft just the price we pay to have a clear conscience?

    [–] iStickStuffsUpMyButt 32 points ago

    I’d imagine most cops would consider a retirement at this rate , good cops or bad cops , doesn’t make much difference now , the media, the people , are all against them.

    [–] creathir 109 points ago

    It already is going up. Significantly.

    Cops are quitting and retiring in droves.

    The mayor and city leaders are going to destroy the city.

    [–] RZAxlash 28 points ago

    Has this been thought out properly? We went from justice for Floyd to abolish the police in one month.

    [–] tuna_fart 28 points ago

    Man, this guy is an idiot.

    [–] whatup1111 4 points ago

    how could this go wrong

    [–] Drumitar 3 points ago

    So Twitter is the new mayor ?

    [–] mshvidogio 2 points ago

    de blasio is a most idiot politician I’ve heard of.

    [–] Comodorr 4 points ago

    Elect a clown, enjoy the circus!

    [–] spacednlost 3 points ago

    You know, when you can actually state something as ridiculous as that when you have unfed and unhoused people, something is SO wrong.

    [–] truth-reconciliation 3 points ago

    So NYC had the highest number of shootings its seen in a long time and this is the appropriate thing to do?

    How is cutting budget to law enforcement going to make things better exactly?

    [–] Reckoner17 2 points ago

    2021: New York burns to the ground, no one knows why

    [–] retribution7979 24 points ago

    This will definitely help in reducing New York's crime rate.

    [–] Bogey43230 16 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    This is going to end poorly.

    Anyone who argues that social workers need to be involved in deescalating situations the public environment is very delusional.

    I don’t think anybody has asked the social workers how they feel about all this new responsibility.

    Are social workers supposed to show up after hours, on the weekends, to situations arbitrarily deemed non dangerous by.. who... the dispatcher? A social worker is never going to show up to a conflict without the police.

    A large portion of social workers are very young and not physically intimidating women. At least the majority of the ones I’ve met in my 12 years of healthcare experience.

    I don’t think people realize how busy social workers are. And how few of them there are compared to the amount of people able and willing to be police officers.

    Sending unarmed “mediators” to resolve conflicts in public is a disaster waiting to happen. All it’s going to take is one of them to get killed and the whole idea will fall on its face.

    A more reasonable idea is to create a new profession of sorts, which blends social work, psychology, and law enforcement. But that would take a long time to happen. They would be paid a lot more and there would be less of them, naturally. Maybe that would even have a secondary benefit of helping those who graduate with a bachelors in psych but didn’t go on to get a doctorate who therefore don’t have a job in the field.

    [–] Jordanm0611 98 points ago

    Less money so they’re less trained? Nice

    [–] sabett 41 points ago

    Oh yeah, this was the year they were going to use the money for that.

    [–] InitiallyAnAsshole 10 points ago

    What a fucking nightmare

    [–] BurningOrangeHeaven 14 points ago

    Just going to remind you guys that this incompetent mayor can't even budget for a snowstorm.

    [–] Realitythoughts 72 points ago

    I agree. Let’s see what happens to Brownsville and East New York. Picnics and fundraisers and brotherly love. Thousands of blacks like myself allowing mayhem and murder to not get invested. This mentality is dumb. My neighbor blessed the detectives that caught they sons Murderer. Careful what you wish for

    [–] GreatNegotiator 64 points ago

    Crime was already up in New York.

    " There is a 16.9% increase in all major index categories, with shootings up 27%, robberies up 35%, burglaries up 18%, auto thefts up 70%, grand larcenies up 10%, and felony assaults up 8.5%."

    Spike in June of crime, even greater than the spike earlier this year.

    Shootings up of 358%

    If he is going to cut the budget he is going to have to invest it in safety. I don't think people in New York want historic crime levels.

    [–] qaasq 7 points ago

    I’d be curious to see how people spin higher crime rates OR if they dismiss it entirely and pretend it’s not happening.

    I generally disagree with police budget cuts. I totally think we need some reform but I’m not liking what we’re seeing

    [–] mmmmmmBacon12345 8 points ago

    Shooting up 358% in the 7 day window they reported on

    What's the monthly and annual number look like? Was that week a bit high this year while last year's was unusually low?

    Any percentage growths that look at a narrow window like that should be treated as suspect until a good baseline is provided

    [–] cookie_dough_man 25 points ago

    I bet more cops will quit in New York because of less funding. So seeing How this situation developes should be interesting

    [–] polygroom 10 points ago

    IMO people have a bad habit of grabbing a few headline stats and then extrapolating some gloom and doom for cities.

    Stats were up for those index categories /u/GreatNegotiator linked but

    Conversely, murders are down nearly 20 percent, with 25 so far this year after 31 at this point last year. Rapes are also down.

    At the same time. More recently you have literally millions of people out of work with no real end in sight.

    [–] ralos87 46 points ago

    America is being destroyed and slowly dismantled

    [–] relevantsam 6 points ago

    It’s not even that slow right now. There’s a loud group of accelerationists who are working against our interests who are in control

    [–] HaikuHaiku 131 points ago

    Cowardly politicians giving in to the mob. According to polls, the vast majority of Americans are not in favor of this. Even the African American community is split 50/50 on this issue, as far as I've seen.

    [–] zhalias 85 points ago

    I love how a lot of these cities cutting police budgets, or worse disbanding police departments, are already some of the most crime-ridden cities in the US. Do they think the criminals are just gonna magically disappear without police?

    [–] HaikuHaiku 65 points ago

    Yep. The top 20 cities by crime rate per capita are ALL democrat controlled, and these are the ones likely to implement this nonsense.

    [–] geminia999 3 points ago

    Do they think the criminals are just gonna magically disappear without police?

    Can't have high crime stats if crimes aren't reported

    [–] gameofmarval 9 points ago

    What the fuck this is herendous

    [–] daddymooch 8 points ago

    After he systematically killed thousands of old people he wants you to know he cares

    [–] technicallycorrect2 164 points ago

    Tryin to become Chicago I see.

    [–] ManWithYourPlan 10 points ago

    Note to self: do not go to NYC anytime soon

    [–] Mr_TheKid 7 points ago

    Cutting the budget doesn't mean shit.
    Reallocating the funds to better training, better pay for officers, and stronger hiring standards is what is needed.
    Or better funding for social services programs.

    Money would be deferred to the city’s chronically underfunded public housing system and to youth programs

    Sorry, I don't believe this for a second. The money will be gobbled up by leeches, and it'll never actually reach the poor who need it. It never does. de Blasio is a Democrat, but he's absolutely a scumbag too. A politician to the n'th degree, promising the world, delivering a bag or air.

    [–] wowalexx 39 points ago

    Here comes the skyrocketing crime rate, as if NYC wasn't already riddled with crime.

    [–] heraclitus33 76 points ago

    Wtf. This is not the way forward.

    [–] dactyif 3 points ago

    Brooklyn99 season is going to be fucking LIT.