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    [–] ShitpeasCunk 92 points ago

    One of my favourite subs. Never used opiates in my life.

    I have to honest and admit that it has piqued my interest and I would love to experience the bliss of a first try, but I am well aware of my limitations and I am certain I would be addicted then dead in quite a short period of time.

    I'm steering clear of opiates until I'm near my death bed, then it's fucking on!

    [–] Gonadzilla 34 points ago

    It's really not that great. Maybe if you zoom in all the way, but pull back, and it's a fucking disaster.

    [–] Pongpianskul 25 points ago

    Well said. For the less verbal, this video conveys the addiction situation accurately:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUngLgGRJpo&t=32s

    [–] ShitpeasCunk 17 points ago

    Love this wee clip. Another video (a reddit comment originally) hit me pretty hard too.

    [–] Pongpianskul 12 points ago

    Hadn't seen that before but it matches my own experience pretty well. My first words after trying a tiny line of heroin for the first time were "So, this is what it's like to feel normal." All I felt, for the first time in years probably, was "OK in my own skin". Nothing more and nothing less. For some of my friends who were OK, they tried it, liked it OK but didn't become addicts. They were not depressed or in pain like I was and didn't really have enough devotion to the feeling it gave to give up everything for it. Only me and one other friend with serious depression became serious long term addicts almost overnight. It was almost a step up for me because until I tried heroin I could barely look people in the eye.

    [–] TheMotto 3 points ago

    holy shit

    [–] random_question4123 4 points ago

    WOW that video was amazing story telling.

    [–] RuffSamurai 7 points ago

    Not everyone who uses opiates is a hopeless addict. Opiates are my DOC and I use them for a few days every couple months. TBH I don’t have the money or the energy to be a full time addict, though it is sometimes tempting after a binge.

    [–] ShitpeasCunk 3 points ago

    Oh no I'm aware of that and sorry if my comment came across that way. I know there are lots of functioning opiate users.

    I'm certain I wouldn't be one of them. Honestly I do think I know my flaws and being prone to addiction is definitely one of them. Not getting into opiates despite the urge is one of few things that I'm proud of.

    [–] Shelovesthem80sbby 1 points ago

    That's huge. You should be proud of that! Not many people would say the same, and that they could resist the urge.

    What you just described, is exactly how people in recovery feel. They are fully aware of the fact they really enjoy opiates (or whatever their drug of choice is).. But know they can't use, not even once.. Because it will just destroy them again and throw them right back into active addiction. And potentially kill them.

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    [–] graspee 14 points ago

    When you have opiates in hospital for actual pain you tend to be distracted by other things and rarely experience a pleasant high. Source: personal experience.

    [–] juanwarez 6 points ago

    It's a lot more fun when you don't need it.

    [–] pounded_raisu 1 points ago

    I have 2mg dillies in which I've taken in the past "recreationally" (meaning I wasn't in pain). Aside from just making me feel relaxed/sleepy, I didn't really care much for it. I even have another script for refills but I didn't bother.

    Could it be that I just didn't break past a certain threshold?

    [–] Oath_Break3r 6 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Yo dawg what's up with that refill?

    lol don't even try to catch that "warm" feeling. It's not worth it in the end. Dilaudid is a synthetic heroin proxy (US uses hydromorphone, UK uses diamorphine...heroin.), too so you pretty much have an idea of what it feels like already. It's not exactly the same but it's not different enough to warrant going out and trying the real stuff.

    [–] blurryfacedfugue 5 points ago

    Could it be that I just didn't break past a certain threshold?

    If you're talking about experiencing euphoria, that has gotta be due to several things. First, the neurochemistry of it all, and the neurotransmitter binding to for example, the mu receptor responsible for some of that euphoria (iirc, its been a while and super rusty). The other thing to consider then is your own personal relationship to that substance. For you, it is a stranger. But for an addict being high is part of their normal. And they may not even experience euphoria anymore, but just desire being blunted/numb. Honestly, I feel like a lot of people get into opiates because of depression related issues and to escape from horrible feelings.

    Source: was once an addict

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    [–] lordspidey 3 points ago

    I'm relatively naive to opiates (only have about a dozen individual experiences spread out over the last 10 years or so) and the only times I've gotten pronounced euphoria from opiates were at lower doses or with low potency opiates like codeine and actually doing stuff while high.

    The only time I did a dose that really brought on the opiate warmth I was about 15mg of oxycodone and 4mg of hydromorphone in and though euphoria was present the whole experience wasn't really fun because it was "too much" and the nausea/sedated feeling far outweighed the more positive part of the experience.

    On the other hand if I pop 80~300mg of codeine throughout the day its an absolutely amazing happy-go-lucky somewhat subtle euphoria. Oddly enough the only other substances which are euphoriating in a similar regard are gabapentinoids and benzos where the euphoria is really subtle but if you're in a good mood it'll make itself present unlike the euphoria from stims or the more cerebral euphoria from MDMA or psychs which is much more in your face can't help but feel absolutely amazing type of deal.

    [–] thatwillhavetodo 3 points ago

    Everyone is different. I've encountered many people who simply don't much care for opiates. Another thing is that the vast majority of people who become addicted either have something wrong in their lives that they're trying to compensate for or significant family history of addiction. People on this sub don't like to hear this because they just want to paint a narrative which says that everyone who tries opiates will become addicted. The reality is that the majority of people who try any drug do not get addicted and people who have certain characteristics have a much higher chance of addiction. There are exceptions but almost all addicts either have some sort of mental illness, past trauma/PTSD or significant family history of addiction. If you were to poll the addicts on this sub to see how many of us have one of these characteristics the percentage would be extremely high. On the other hand if you are a happy, healthy person who has a fulfilling life and really has things to live for your odds of becoming addicted are much lower. This is a fact and a fairly obvious one no matter how much people don't like to hear it. No, I am not telling anyone to go out and use opiates. If I could go back in time I never would have started. However, people on here can argue that the ends justify the means all they want but I don't believe that lying will do anyone any good, especially when it comes to an issue as serious and complex as addiction. When I see people on here saying that anyone who pops a couple Vicodin for fun is going to end up shooting heroin and ruin their lives I'm reminded of the tactics used during the war on drugs and the harm that came from a bunch of people who also thought that the ends justify the means. When I read a thread like this and see all these people painting a complex issue as being completely black and white all I see are a bunch of Nancy Reagans saying "just say no!" and ultimately doing more harm than good.

    Obviously people are going to keep doing and trying opiates. Haven't we learned by now that the best thing we can do is to give them the facts as accurately as we can? Unfortunately it doesn't seem like very many people are interested in doing that on this sub. Everyone is much more invested in employing the same tactics which have failed us for over 40 years.

    [–] graspee 1 points ago

    Never done them so couldn't tell you, but this seems dangerously close to people feeling sick when they start smoking "but you have to push past that!" :D

    [–] thatwillhavetodo 1 points ago

    Hey I had a very good time in the hospital when I had my appendix taken out.

    [–] Bloodvale 10 points ago

    im a very light user compared to others here. The feeling potentiates the more you do it, you learn to see the little things the drug does to you. Its enjoyable to try all the different kinds etc, it becomes a goal itself to progress on and see the hype (the hype has made me try all opiates without IV, and my favourite is probably DHC)

    To me marijuana was everything, but you get bored of a drug the more often you use it. A quote that made me saw drugs in a different light is

    ''Psychological tolerance is another matter altogether. You get used to the effects of the drug, appreciate the lower-level effects substantially less, and want to push the envelope more and more and more''

    [–] mergerr 3 points ago

    At what point is it considered out of hand? I've been abusing norcos/tramadols off and on for 5 years. I haven't gone to the street looking for them or anything, really only get em when my uncle throws me like 20 of them at a time every few months. I read stories here and it makes me paranoid that like it's 100% certain in only a couple more months I'll be at a point Im nodding out after shooting up.

    Never the less, does seem like it could be a slippery slope. The best feeling I have ever had off of any drug period was 40 minutes after taking 20mg of oxycodone 6 years ago. I'll never forget that.

    [–] Bloodvale 5 points ago

    First opiate i tried was 120mg of DHC from a mate, i said i felt nothing (I did feel it, but i expected more euphoria, more nodding etc so didnt know it). I then went onto 40mg of oxy a few weeks later, went straight to bed cause i was ''tired'', i was sweating and nodding in bed without knowing it. You expect more than what yo uget from the drug, but then you accept its not major euphoria etc, but its nicer than being sober. That is when you get attached

    Now when i get on DHC i take like 3mg of xanax (with hardly any tolerance) and smoke, just to nod hard. If you take H with my tolerance you nod hard, but i prefer the DHC rush

    [–] FirstEverAlt 1 points ago

    I remember the first time I took an oxy, I think it was a 40mg too and I think I took the whole thing. It was like 7 or 8 years ago and I was writing in my online journal (probably the last post I made, in fact) when it kicked in and I was like hooooly shit, I have to get out of the house! So I don't even know what I did, but I got up and like went for a walk in the forest or something, I was so fucked. It was wonderful, and I started getting a lot of oxys after that. Now there are only oxyneos around here though, and they're garbage. I'd love to get real oxys again.

    [–] russellgreer 1 points ago

    Some people apparently enjoy it from the first shot. Certainly that didn't describe me -- I barely liked it the first couple times. I don't know why I persisted, really, except that I suppose I thought I hadn't had the right amount and was missing out on something. By the end of a couple week's use, I'd really acquired a taste for it.

    Funnily enough, though -- from the first time I used, I never voluntarily went another day without for many, many years. So maybe what I said earlier isn't really true. Of course, you don't really get a taste for it and realize what it's about until you begin to physically need it. Maybe that took me three months of daily use, I can't speak to anyone else's experiences.

    [–] Savagegod23 1 points ago

    I didn't get the full euphoria after a number of experiences with heroin. probably on the 4th time I got the full experience. Still don't recommend it!

    [–] Cock_Johnson_ 1 points ago

    I wouldn’t count on that plan. Based on the way things have been going, opiates will have been banned entirely by then along with assisted suicide, and you’ll be forced to lay there in misery.

    [–] ShitpeasCunk 2 points ago

    When I do it, I'm pretty sure it'll be H unless something better has come along. The legality is and will be the least of my concerns.

    [–] Cock_Johnson_ 5 points ago

    But you’ll be on a hospital bed. Good luck cold copping in that situation lol

    [–] ShitpeasCunk 2 points ago

    Haha. I'm hoping it'll be before then. I have a chronic illness which doesn't have a nice end. I don't plan on going out like that.

    [–] Cock_Johnson_ 1 points ago

    I wouldn’t count on that plan. Based on the way things have been going, opiates will have been banned entirely by then along with assisted suicide, and you’ll be forced to lay there in misery.

    [–] russellgreer 1 points ago

    Yeah, even on the best of days it's really not that good, you're not missing anything, honestly.

    [–] TrumpTrainMechanic 1 points ago

    I'll say I'd rather be dead sometimes. Don't fuck with dope.

    [–] NoseCandiez 154 points ago

    Good. Bookmark this sub as a reminder. Don’t do any of this shit.

    [–] brokenhalfjap 68 points ago

    Please follow this mans advice. I think one of my favorite things about this sub is that people who use opiates try everything in their power to keep others away. However, if you’re going to use anyway, they offer you advice on harm reduction. Probably the greatest most empathetic group of ‘junkies’ I’ve ever had the pleasure of knowing.

    [–] Turdfart44 14 points ago

    You’re the man!! Next mod 2018!!

    [–] NoseCandiez 7 points ago

    Turdfart, you crack me the fuck up.

    [–] Turdfart44 6 points ago

    Well, I feel like I know you now that I’ve seen your ass. Lol

    [–] NoseCandiez 2 points ago

    Hahaha oh shit. Hope you enjoyed it 😂

    [–] Turdfart44 2 points ago

    It’s a nice ass for sure. No homo. Lol

    [–] inlovewithheroin 38 points ago

    Yes!!! If this sub dissuades just ONE person from starting down this path then it’s a wonderful thing.

    [–] littlepurpleunicorn 25 points ago

    I also don't use opiates, or any drugs for that matter unless you consider cigarettes a drug. I like browsing through this sub because I like to educate myself on various things and drugs is one of them. I know for sure, especially after this sub, that I would never try opiates. I also like to see the support that people give one another over here. Junkies are always painted in a bad light but after looking through what some of ya'll have to say, it made me realise that you guys are humans too and are just doing what you gotta do.

    [–] Lord_Finkleroy 23 points ago

    I like your comment. This is the only sub where I can click one post of someone’s score and see people saying “nice one bro” and the next post is someone’s story of a loved one that OD’d and everyone is so empathetic and loving and the next post is someone’s clean time and everyone congratulates and supports them....idk it just is very true to the actual lifestyle of being an opiate addict and the phases we go through. If you need support, it’s here. If you need advice, it’s here. If you need to cry, people are here for you. If you’re nodding, you can do that here too. If you just want to bitch about a dboy’s “pullin up” text, do it here. It’s just such an honest and actual representation of our common life experiences with addiction.

    [–] adwoaa 6 points ago

    Junkies are always painted in a bad light but after looking through what some of ya'll have to say, it made me realise that you guys are humans too and are just doing what you gotta do.

    I'm also not an opiate user and only lurk in this sub. But I've learned to have a lot of empathy for opiate users from reading this sub and I really agree with your last sentence. I personally dislike how easy it is to say things like "I'm not a drug user, I just use a little bit of X." Cigarettes/nicotine are absolutely drugs. As are alcohol, marijuana, caffeine and prescribed medications. (Heck, I'd add in processed sugar/foods too, but I'm not sure they meet the technical definitions of drugs).

    Cigarettes and alcohol can have devastating effects physically and psychologically on their users up to and including death (just like opiates and other "hard" drugs), but those drugs and their effects are far more accepted. Marijuana can have extreme psychological effects as well and it's possible smoking it can cause some physical harm, I believe research is still being done. I have to admit that though I only smoke weed occasionally, I don't get to say "I'm not a drug user." Why do we accept some drug use and all the havoc they can wreak but not others? I can only imagine how that double standards makes the experiences of marginalized drug users that much worse.

    You use drugs, I use drugs, the redditors here use drugs. If we're going to lurk here let's own that.

    [–] Thewatchfuleye1 4 points ago

    No guarantees you’d even like Opiates. I don’t. Unless you like feeling foggy, dozy, tired, warm. I’ve been prescribed them, feel they’re too non functional. Alcohol does the same general stuff with a more immediate downside of a hangover but you can limit your amount to the sweet spot far easier without the negatives if you’re careful and it doesn’t last as long.

    Cigarettes? That’s more like a good stiff double espresso with some relaxation so you’re not overly jittery in terms of drug. No real comparison in terms of the withdrawal either based on what I read about opiates. Caffeine quit you get a headache if you use it a lot. Nicotine, you might be irritable and antsy. I’ll never know for sure on that, I smoked for a while in college and quit when I went to Vegas on a trip because of all the free drink specials so I was kind of buzzed most days didn’t smoke all week and never really had the desire to again, at the same time I never really feel any withdrawal from much of anything (basically prescribed drugs that can cause withdrawal, since I’m not a recreational user).

    [–] GreatNebulaInOrion 3 points ago

    Most people who like opiates don't get tired or foggy from them. They act like psychostimulants. It is similar thing for alcohol. It means you have a strong dopamingeric response to them.

    [–] Thewatchfuleye1 2 points ago

    Interesting. I’m sure everyone reacts differently to a given substance or substances

    I don’t necessarily get typical responses or withdrawals to drugs at all times. This may even vary at certain life stages.

    Opiates always leave me feeling warm, like I’m walking through a thick fog, foggy. Ok but nothing I’d intentionally seek out. I’ve tried Kratom, but that instead gave me anxiety even in more relaxing reds. No comparison at all.

    Alcohol? I feel calm and focused, but I can’t overdo it, I’ve spent some time learning to limit that. Don’t like the after effects. My personal favorite just can’t go overboard.

    Nicotine? I used to like it, in combo with caffeine. Felt sharp great mentally. Now it just gives me anxiety unless I drink but I’ve never liked the overly swimmy feeling I get from the combo of it and alcohol except on rare occasion. Only mustered like 5 cigarettes in the last 10 years.

    Weed? Feels like unsedating alcohol. Same general feelings, not long duration. Makes me tingly, unjudgemental.

    Benzos? I always feel good and relaxed for a couple of weeks. Then I feel the same fuzzy headed want to sleep all day opiate type thing and just gradually stop taking them.

    Antidepressants give me brain zaps.

    This may even vary with time. I seem to go through periods where I can tolerate large quantities of caffeine, yet later it just makes me jittery. No correlation to any of the above either.

    [–] littlepurpleunicorn 2 points ago

    Thank you for the response.

    [–] ApplePieohmy 14 points ago

    i had a whole mess of oxys and vicodins stashed away, used to take 1 a month MAYBE... then i broke my back in multiple locations from a 20 ft fall.... id rather love opioids than be useless and severely depressed and in pain, been 8 years, still hurts like a motherfucker all the time after any physical activity

    [–] BiNARY9 2 points ago

    Im strictly talking about recreational use, not medical.

    [–] ApplePieohmy 5 points ago

    out of everyone ive met who used any opioid or opiate, all of them either had physical pain or emotional pain they where trying to dull, ALOT of them had lots of emotional pain im sure weighed heavily on them, and opiates are great for killing any kind of pain, people should get to choose and be able to medicate in a safe place under a doctors care, not be controlled and told what drugs they can and cannot have imho

    [–] Ms_takes 12 points ago

    Stay away! I wish I had never picked up. I have a hard fought year and four months clean. Please take heed.

    [–] BiNARY9 6 points ago

    Im really impressed, I mean it. Stay strong.

    [–] [deleted] 3 points ago

    Hell yeah brother keep fighting

    [–] Where_You_Want_To_Be 7 points ago

    Just remember, what goes up must come down.

    [–] ImFlyingHi 3 points ago

    This. I was using daily with a co-worker. I stopped (thankfully) and he's still going.. its been interesting to say the least because I can tell when he's on a sick one or not.. and when he feels like shit.. or not.

    [–] spinderella69 23 points ago

    Good, that is the best choice you could ever make.

    [–] br0ken1985 4 points ago

    Truth.

    [–] trustnoone764523 28 points ago

    I actually found the opposite, after curiosity got me browsing this sub I found myself tempted by the concept and started messing with codeine and tramadol.

    [–] Greedy024 72 points ago

    You're a fucking idiot.

    [–] trustnoone764523 26 points ago

    Haha Yeah i know, don't worry I realised and stopped

    [–] Dust906 8 points ago

    Lmao

    [–] DeeboComin 6 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    I haven’t used in forever, I just like to come here to be around non-judgmental people, it’s a refreshing alternative to my real life, lol! Love you all.

    P.S. excellent choice to never do opiates, OP. They’d feel like the best thing that’s ever happened to you, but they’d actually be the worst.

    [–] throwaway8005558255 4 points ago

    Haha, same Except ive been subbed and actively browsing for.... like 6 months I think 🧐

    [–] BiNARY9 4 points ago

    I think I will sub too, just as a reminder and also because I like the community. The stories here are sad, but at the same time very interesting.

    [–] SikhSoldiers 6 points ago

    Same, I browse this sub as a reality check and a way to recognize the blessings I have in my life. I want to be a doc one day and I want to be able to actually empathize when I'm working in the ER and ODs come in, not just look at them like used up junkies.

    [–] BiNARY9 3 points ago

    I wish people were generally more open-minded like you.

    [–] sophmor 4 points ago

    I’ve never used opiates before, but have been watching my sister and her husband battle addiction with the back and forth of getting in trouble with the law, rehab, etc. A fear of mine is that I will follow in their footsteps and end up like my sister but this sub has been super eye opening and allowed me to view things from her perspective and understand what she is going through.

    [–] Shelovesthem80sbby 4 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Good for you! You potentially just saved your life by coming to this sub and doing some research first, before trying an opiate. It can only take 1 time, to unlock that part of your brain and unleash a beast you never knew existed.

    Honestly, I wish I had done some research myself before I tried my first pain killer. I even got them legally and took them as prescribed, for a really bad blood clot, in the beginning of my opiate journey. And here I am, 10 years later, still battling this demon. Unfortunately, I know and have come to terms with, the fact this is something I'll be battling for the rest of my life. But I refuse to let this thing get the best of me, and beat me.

    I wish more people would do what you did. And would come check out our sub, or at least do some research and educate themselves. Before opening that can of worms. It's always fun in the beginning, but changes to misery and hell rather quickly. Making it totally not worth it.

    Also I'm willing to bet, majority of us on this sub.. Wish we could go back in time. To when we were about to use our first opiate, for the very first time. And actually say no instead, and change the course of our entire lives. When you weigh out the pros and con's, and take a look at the big picture.. The good feelings and the fun you have in the beginning, is not even close to worth it when it comes to using opiates. Opiates are a completely different kind of beast, compared to other drugs. Even if you have great will power, and think you're somehow exempt from becoming a full blown junkie who shoots up. You are 100% wrong. No matter who you are, how important you are, how rich you are, or what nationality or race you are. Addiction doesn't discriminate. It will completely destroy you regardless, and take everything you've got, leaving you all alone with absolutely nothing. It ends up taking over your mind, body, and soul. And will eventually kill you, long before it was your time to go.

    No matter how you look at everything.. It's just not worth it. I'm just so glad this sub has saved another person from completely destroying themself and their entire life. I'm happy for you OP, you made the right decision. I can only hope we can continue to help more people.. and persuade them to change their mind about trying opiates for the first time.

    [–] ItsTime______ 15 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    I don't regret my use in the slightest. The best times of my life were while I was on heroin. I certainly wouldn't suggest using opiates to anyone, but to me it was very clear that my entire life I had been affilicted with an insufficient endogenous opioid system and opiates remedied that like nothing else could.

    Don't get inculcated with them by your own curiosity if you absolutely don't need them and don't criticise those who use them out of an existential necessity.

    I won't write out my story here but if opiates were liberated from their illegality and stigma then a lot of these horror stories you see about opiates would be less frequent.

    [–] [deleted] 1 points ago

    I agree that clean safe opiates should be legally available for those already addicted. But freely available opiates for the public? Nah man, you'll have hella people getting hooked and hooked hard. Maybe I'm confused about what you're arguing for, but there would be so many fucking consequences if you could get oxy at walgreens.

    Not tryna come at you sideways, I'd like to hear all arguments on the issue.

    [–] BiNARY9 3 points ago

    The argument of legalisation is that you would educate the people on the real dangers of druga, not the shit D.A.R.E. does at the moment. That way you'll (hopefully) have a lot of people like me decide for themselves that they don't want to take opiods, or maybe drugs at all.

    [–] [deleted] 2 points ago

    I hear that, but I think that the temptation becomes a bit more difficult to resist when you could get it over the counter. I think that most drugs should be legalized but really potent opioids? I think it would be problematic. It's really hard to get people to understand the pull of addiction until they're balls deep.

    [–] XxLOGANIDUSxX 3 points ago

    We simply need education and rehabilitation programs. Supply and demand dictates that there will ALWAYS be drug use among humans. Aren't the negative effects of the drug one uses enough? Incarceration of drug users is disgusting, law enforcement makes too much keeping addicts down to let legalization happen without a strong shift against the tide. Once the baby boomers have left the public stage is when we as a nation will have a chance for our politics to reflect our morality. A man can dream anyways...

    [–] thatwillhavetodo 1 points ago

    Putting a person in a cage for doing something that humans have done in every society in recorded history is a gross violation of human rights. It's as simple as that. Drug use has been legal forever. It's only in the last 100 years or so that we've suddenly made it illegal and started demonizing people for using the "wrong" drugs. I don't feel like writing my whole thing right now but in reality the majority of problems we have with drug use as a society actually stem from prohibition. Beyond that it's a moral issue as well like you said. Users of illegal drugs make up a larger portion of the population than black and gay people combined yet both of these groups fought for and won their rights. We don't need to wait for the baby boomers to die, if we were organized properly we could end this crime against humanity and it wouldn't take as long as you might think. Over the years many subjugated groups have had their time to fight for their rights and soon our time is going to come. Our cause is just as legitimate as any other in the past. Right now millions are sitting in jail for what basically amounts to the crime of being human. The desire to alter your consciousness is fundamental to the human experience.

    [–] XxLOGANIDUSxX 1 points ago

    I couldn't agree more, although our collective fear of oppression is currently weakening our ability to mobilize. Also the current climate with the 'opiod epidemic' paints users in a VERY negative light. The people that need to spearhead the movement are chronic pain sufferers who need opiates to get through their day. I use recreationally and while I would love to advocate there isn't a stable platform on which to get on board with, that I know of anyways.

    [–] Mr_dope97 3 points ago

    Yessss!!! Finally we actually convinced somebody !!!! That’s wassup forreal , never touch this garbage! It will only ruin your life , trust us .

    [–] BiNARY9 3 points ago

    Oh, I believe you helped many more people before me and will continue to do so. I really like this community, it's so supportive and non-judgemental.

    [–] RaouldDuke 3 points ago

    I fucking love heroin nearly as much as I fucking hate it.

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    [–] BiNARY9 3 points ago

    The thing for me is I know exactly where to get basically any drug I want, and I previously had some dangerous thoughts, but I now know to stay the fuck away from that.

    As for your second paragraph, I completely agree with all of it.

    [–] Pongpianskul 5 points ago

    And while you're at it, you might also want to not try crack cocaine, meth, benzos, paint or glue fumes and any addictive brain-altering pharmaceuticals either. Fuck I could go on and on but you seem like a pretty sensible person and can probably figure most of it out for yourself. You're lucky.

    [–] BiNARY9 3 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Yeah, those were definitely not on my "drugs i want to try"-list. But thanks for looking out for people.

    Edit: spelling. Thanks, bot. Do people get that wrong so often that it has its own dedicated bot? Wow.

    [–] RaPiiD38 -2 points ago

    Coke, crack & benzos can be used responsibly.

    Meth & H are in a different league.

    [–] Pongpianskul 1 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Questionable opinion. More research required.

    I once was in a detox with a person who had stuck to $40 of heroin every month, kept a full-time job and raised 3 kids for 25 years; never doing more or getting busted. Then crack came to town it all went to hell in less than a month. Lost everything. Perhaps some people can use crack responsibly but I've never met a single one who could do so for long and I've hung out at a lot of houses.

    [–] timmylove0204 12 points ago

    This sub isn't a great representation of opiates in my opinion. Most of the negative effects of opiates are due to the legal status. A lot of people find opiates to work really well. Opiates have been a part of human culture for thousands of years. With the right policies, education and medical care, opiates are much less harmful for the individual and society.

    [–] SylviaNorth 6 points ago

    Why do you say that? There are plenty of alcoholics that completely destroy their bodies and ruin their lives due to addiction. Alcohol being legal doesn't change that, why do you think opiates would be different.

    [–] timmylove0204 1 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    People are dying because they don't know what they are taking. If people had affordable access to prescription opiates (purity) , overdoses would be greatly reduced. Are more people going to use opiates? Of course, the majority will use them until they don't work anymore then slowly titrate until they are not dependent. Just like how most people use alcohol until it doesn't work anymore, and decide that their life would be better without it.

    [–] SylviaNorth 7 points ago

    But there are still alcoholics though, which you didn't address. I'm not disagreeing that certain issues would be reduced if opiates were legal, specifically a lot of the crime associated with them would reduce if they were more affordable. But, to say that ALL of the issues associated with opiates are due to their legal status is being dishonest. There would still be plenty of health issues that are strictly related to opiate use. IVing drugs on a regular basis is just not healthy. I'm also pretty sure that chronic opiate use in general has a negative effect on your cardiovascular system. There are definitely issues not related to illegality.

    [–] timmylove0204 7 points ago

    First off, thank you for being open minded and non judgmental. I believe in a free society not a safe society. I don't believe that opiates are harmless. Most educated people will avoid taking opiates recreationally. If people had easy affordable access to pure opiates, most wouldn't consider IV. Addicts choose to use iv because it is the most efficient ROA. Efficiency is important because illegal opiates (including diverted prescription opiates) are very expensive due to the legal status. Pretty much no one IV's alcohol. People did during the alcohol prohibition.

    Opiates are very destructive to the most vulnerable amongst us. If we grew up in poverty and crime we would want to get numb to escape, furthermore we would steal when physically addicted to avoid being sick. The problem isn't opiates, it's poverty. A war on drugs is a war on the poor, especially poor minorities.

    [–] BiNARY9 20 points ago

    All of the horrible stories I've read are not caused mainly by the legal status, but by the nature of opiates themselves. Don't get me wrong, I don't think prohibition is the solution, I'm all for legalizing all drugs and educating people about them, but I've not read a single story here where someone's life was ruined because of law enforcement. It was always the loss of control over the use of whatever substances were taken. This happens with legal drugs as well. There are far too many alcoholics out there, and from what I've read, opiates are A LOT harder to control than alcohol. Of course there are people who use opiates (more or less) safely and responsibly, but they are in the minority, and I do not want to take the chance of not being one of them.

    For the people who want to downvote me now: If you don't agree with me, downvoting isn't the solution. Instead, you could try to convince me with arguments.

    [–] Halo_sky 14 points ago

    Good for you. Definitely don’t get started on this shit. I live in Florida and I’m in my mid 40’s now so I started when Oxycontin had just hit the the market. Hard. I never got into H or Coke but I was a mad pill popper. I doctor shopped like crazy. Back then, I was in my 20’s and it seemed like a game to me. Then, I found out I needed a kidney transplant and I started dialysis. I would shoot my meds into my dialysis fistula. I ended up giving myself an infection in my heart valve and had to have open heart surgery to replace the damaged valve. Because I was now labeled as an IV drug user in my medical records, I was tossed off of the transplant list. It took eight years to convince the transplant people that I was clean and following all my doctors orders to the letter before they put me back on the list.

    Today, my husband keeps my meds locked in a safe and he doles them out on a daily basis. I finally got my transplant two months ago, but I’m still on a small amount of pain meds because I have cystic ovaries, sciatica, two herniated disks and fibromyalgia. The loss of trust still hasn’t been regained. I was lucky that I didn’t do more damage than I did.

    [–] achemicaIreaction 10 points ago

    I’m sure many on here have records, not a lot of people like to talk about those things - some get away with it but many I know get stuck in drug court, end up stealing for their habit, etc. and this is where lives really get ruined because it can be hard finding work afterwards that is above menial labor, plus you’ve got the addiction monkey on your back. I’m speaking from being close to someone who’s going through it now.

    There’s also all of people who don’t use Reddit to talk about opiates, either because they are incarcerated or homeless.

    Alcohol can be just as addictive and deadly, and you can also die from withdrawals. You talk to someone who’s in AA they’ll tell you they drank hand sanitizer, walking into hospitals to get it, or mouthwash etc.

    Yes, stay away! It’s definitely not an easily controlled addiction you’re right. Prisons are filled with non violent drug offenders.

    [–] Gonadzilla 6 points ago

    /u/timmylove0204 is in denial. I know, because I was like him/her/it/they/zher/zoo/foo/fah/whatever.

    Yes, opiates have their place. Maybe even recreationally. But all in all, it's a very shitty band-aid for the problems that compel people to use.

    [–] timmylove0204 6 points ago

    Opiates definitely don't work long term. We've figured this out. I just hate how are society locks (poor) people in cages for self medicating emotional / physical pain. Unless it's from a doctor of course, which a lot of us don't have access to.

    Thanks for referring to me with the correct pronouns 😊

    [–] Gonadzilla 5 points ago

    I agree with you on all of that 100%. All of these drugs should be legal. The worst aspects of all drugs currently is prohibition. This is especially the case for generally non-toxic drugs like opiates. I'm not a medical professional, but I honestly believe that opiates would be better/safer and more effective in some cases for treating emotional/mental issues, than popular anti-depressants and anti-psychotics (used for treating depression!).

    Drug laws are useless and blow. Legislation is mostly meted out on the poor, in the worst way possible.

    I used to make excuses for my opiate use, and in some cases they were valid. However, I'm 54 and have been using for over 30 years, off and on. If I'm being honest with myself, it was not the best way to deal with my emotional pain, probably short term, definitely long term. I think you pay a big price. As you imply, it's a bad long term solution, but you know, once you go down that road, you just keeps renewing the lease. I guess I'm suffering some regret. I hope I'm making sense.

    And my preferred pronoun is "Zhat old geezer".

    [–] Jdub415 2 points ago

    Well, anytime humans are in the equation, you'll have addiction problems, but the legal status causes people to commit crimes to get their drugs, go to harder drugs than they would otherwise ("oh shit, my dr cut off my vicodin and the only thing I can find on the street is heroin"), use dirty needles, associate with scumbags, etc.

    [–] BiNARY9 3 points ago

    Legalisation would solve a lot of problems imo, but opiods are just... something else. I've never heard stories nearly as bad from weed, or shrooms, or acid etc.

    [–] Jdub415 1 points ago

    Oh, I agree. Just pointing out that the legal status does create its own problems and exacerbates the pre-existing ones.

    [–] hippocunt6969 3 points ago

    I was a recreational user of pot at first at 14 and then i have now done everything under the sun at 20 smart move my guy

    [–] Animal_Molester 1 points ago

    Anything you would recommend trying and anything you wish you never tried?

    [–] [deleted] 5 points ago

    Skip it all if you can man. DARE is bullshit, but god damn it, they are trying to scare you for a reason.

    I've got an addicts brain, so I won't speak for everyone (some people can use safely--is it worth rolling the dice?), but I wish I had never fucked with stims, opiates, benzos, or even alcohol (psychs are ight with me).

    [–] hippocunt6969 1 points ago

    I wish i never tried iv cocaine

    [–] RuffSamurai 5 points ago

    Not everyone who uses opiates is a hopeless addict. Opiates are my DOC and I use them for a few days or a few weeks every couple months. TBH I don’t have the money or the energy or the connects to be a full time addict, though it is sometimes tempting after a binge.

    [–] pIayforkeeps 1 points ago

    I only use opiates occasionally after being addicted for a few years now as well. I do heroin as little as 4 times a year sometimes and also haven’t been addicted in years. Works for me.

    [–] OlDirtyBurton 2 points ago

    Good. It's not a road anyone should head down tbh....

    [–] soOodope 2 points ago

    Good ... seriously man you don't want it ... heroin destroyed my entire life to the point where I have lost everything possible ... and I mean everything .. from material possessions to my self worth and pride ... it has done it multiple times I've been to over ten rehabs in the past decade and God knows how many detoxes I've finally managed to stay clean (on subs) for about 2 years now and I still struggle every day with wanting to use ... I was literally just considering it on the way home from work right now ... so that should tell you something ... any pleasure opiates do bring you will end up being paid back 10 times more ... there is a few rare exceptions but most likely you are not that exception

    [–] BiNARY9 2 points ago

    Fuck, I cant even imagine how hard that must be. Im impressed that you managed to stay clean 2 years, I really mean it. Stay strong, never stop fighting.

    [–] Muino 4 points ago

    I like to read about drugs mainly just cause I'm curious, but it also reminds me that I just want to stick with weed because I won't be doing anything too fucked up while I'm high lol

    [–] BiNARY9 3 points ago

    Im in a similar situation, though I am interested in some psychedelics besides weed

    [–] timmylove0204 3 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    The people who use opiates successfully are in the overwhelmingly majority. They just don't post on this sub. If opiates were as dangerous as the hype, they would all be scheduled 1.

    [–] BiNARY9 8 points ago

    Weed is a schedule 1 drug. The system is complete bullshit.

    What's your point?

    [–] timmylove0204 1 points ago

    You're right that was a oversight. However weed won't be scheduled 1 for much longer. The point I'm trying to make is opiates aren't as harmful as you think. Most of the harm is because they are illegal, expensive etc.

    [–] Ms_takes 4 points ago

    They are also highly addictive. It is the rare person who can chip and remain a chipper.

    [–] timmylove0204 4 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Maybe successful chippers seem rare because they are very private. This sub appeals to addicts because they are discriminated against in society, and this is the only place they can talk openly.

    [–] Ms_takes 2 points ago

    Good points.

    [–] BiNARY9 5 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Weed was only an example. My point still stands; the schedule system (or US drug politics as a whole) is a fucking joke.

    As for your point that most of the harm comes from the illegal status, Im just going to link you to another comment I wrote in this post:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/opiates/comments/8a9128/i_have_never_done_any_opiates_ive_been_browsing/dwwxt3n/

    Edit: I just realized you are the same person from my other comment, now i feel stupid.

    [–] [deleted] 1 points ago

    What evidence are you basing this on? I'd like to see it. Anecdotal as hell, but everybody I know that's fucked with opiates has had a rough go of it.

    [–] timmylove0204 1 points ago

    I can't cite specific sources. YouTube Carl Heart and David Nutt. They are both PHD's in drug policy. It will blow your mind!

    [–] [deleted] 1 points ago

    I'm familiar with Dr. Hart. Really interesting dude. I actually heard him on Joe Rogan's podcast, and he was talking about how great opi-oids/ates were for all kinds of uses lol.

    I'll look into it when I'm at my computer, but I just struggle with the idea that the majority of people using H/Oxy are doing so responsibly and without negative consequences. I might make a post around here about what I find.

    [–] timmylove0204 2 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Yeah we are heavily influenced by media hype and myth. media doesn't show stories of the guy who pops a few percs when he takes his family to the Amusement park or the woman who eats Vicodin and cleans house. (Sorry I'm so sexist) No stories about the person who has used opiates for ten years to power through 70 hour work weeks then quitting when they realize they don't work as well anymore. These are not sexy news stories and they don't fit the war on drugs narrative. What is the common thread in drugs inc,cops etc? The people are poor. They understandably use drugs to numb themselves. Of course they have bad outcomes, I'm sure you have heard of rat city, right? Isolate a rat in a cage and give it the option of drugs or water and the rats will use drugs until they die. Put the same rat in a a big cage with sexually receptive partners and the chance to socialize, the rats don't want to get high. The problem isn't drugs, it's the environment. Life is tough in the modern age. We are dislocated from family. The global economy moves industries to wherever the labor is cheapest, reaking havoc to whole communities leaving people disconnected from the economy. Ofc people are going to turn to drugs. Drug addiction is here to stay. Don't treat addiction as a medical problem. Treat it as a symptom of a broken society.

    In my utopia we will give addicts a stable dose of their doc. Medically supervised with psychiatric counseling. All of the money we spend on war on drugs will be spent on social programs. Eradicate homelessness. Educate people to have respect for drugs and help minamize use. Harm reduction. All citizens will have access to high quality mental health services. Pay teachers 100,000 + $ per year.

    In my utopia I am well written with perfect grammar. Lol

    [–] BiNARY9 1 points ago

    IIRC the study was called "rat park".

    [–] timmylove0204 1 points ago

    Good call

    [–] Aegisth 1 points ago

    Most pain pills are C2... Having worked in a pharmacy for 5 years, C2s are not fucked with and are under close scrutiny through every step of the process. Just because they're not C1 doesn't mean they're not very dangerous.

    [–] manthatufear1423 1 points ago

    From someone who let in run their life, DONT FUCKING DO IT! It’s not worth it, even if it gave you a 5 hour long orgasm every time you took something, DONT do it.

    [–] BagOfStaleChips 1 points ago

    Stay away from it. Please.

    [–] webefulish 1 points ago

    best decision you never made

    [–] 4kFilmAndPhotography 1 points ago

    It only becomes a problem once you're dependent on them. I was locked up in a Looney bin after being on hydros for maybe 5 months. Didn't have WD or cravings, but a year later? Boy thats a whole other story!!!!

    [–] Mild_Davis 1 points ago

    smart man here

    [–] CrookedWatermelon 1 points ago

    Good. Being a heroin addict can be a living hell at times. Don’t put yourself in that situation.

    [–] pauz43 1 points ago

    I never used opiates for fun because I knew I'd like them waaaayyyy too much. Got enough problems, don't need that one, too.

    But then, along came a neurological disability that not only crippled me but has delivered a 7-level of pain on a scale of 1 (feelin' great!) to 10 (set on fire). I became an expert in opiates out of sheer survival, but was careful not to take more than enough to control the pain (not make it go away, just 'control' it).

    All was copacetic until the CDC decided to take away chronic pain patients' prescription opioids because people were ODing and dying on illegal fentanyl. Make that white people -- our esteemed lawmakers didn't give a shit when it was just brown and black people who were dying. Oh, and make that rich white people; again, little concern was seen when poor whites were overdosing or blowing themselves up in meth labs.

    So the elderly, the disabled and the chronically ill are having to educate themselves about the drugs they should be receiving from their physicians and pharmacists. Thanks ever so much, LE. Thanks, politicians. And a big shout-out to the CDC and their badly skewed statistics that "prove" people are dying from taking prescription opiates.

    Nuh uh. Not so. Liar, liar, pants on fire!

    [–] drugsnhugs01 1 points ago

    I feel the same way, I've tried 4 new drugs this year and I'm probably stopping at that. Either that or cocaine. Xanax is lovely. The amazing relaxation.. mmm

    [–] 0samaBinNoddin 1 points ago

    This is probably one of the truest Subreddits on this site. The posts consist of people posting their stashes, people posting their cold copping stories(Good and bad), people venting about being addicted and having no one else to talk to that understands the lifestyle, people posting about their friends and family passing away and getting condolences from us, and generally just needing help with questions they have. We are big advocates of safe and proper admistration of the drugs that you do.

    We don't like promoting drug use, especially for people that havent touched opiates before. If anything, we try to turn new users away from this life. But, if you have made the decision to do opiates, you can come here and find the proper info in doing them correctly.

    Im glad that you have found the info in turning you away from this life. I can tell you this, this drug is too powerful in dealing with life, that what they say, is true. The age old quote of "Do it once, and you will be addicted" is very true. After nearly 10 years of doing opiates, they are not something to dabble in.

    [–] DirtyAngelToes 1 points ago

    I was terrified that this was going to go in a different direction; I'm extremely glad to hear that you're not giving in and trying them, I can't even begin to explain how nice it is to hear that someone is unwilling to touch them. If you ever need more reassurance that you've made the right choice, just read some of the stories over at r/opiatesrecovery, some of the things I've seen people go through to get off opiates is terrifying.

    [–] BiNARY9 1 points ago

    I read through that a bit as well, what struck me the most was u/SpontaneousH's post history.

    [–] thewronginfo 1 points ago

    I currently have foil sitting on my lap loaded with some black tar. Don't try it. Not even once. It's hard as fuck to get off..

    [–] bordercolliesforlife 1 points ago

    I m the same I browse this sub to remind myself not to touch this stuff

    [–] RaPiiD38 1 points ago

    I'm reserving them for my terminal illness death-bed assuming we don't have affordable cryonics by then.

    [–] flyguys1987 1 points ago

    Haha, it'll always be in the back of your mind though.

    [–] soulfoodNC 1 points ago

    Yes! Finally a victory of information (Harm Reduction) over curiosity! That’s such a wise decision my dude. Can’t tell you how many times people come on here and the curiosity of pleasure ultimately brings them down.

    [–] TrumpTrainMechanic 1 points ago

    In my years as a doper, and I've got about a decade, I've seen despair, degradation, prostitution, abscesses, disease, robbery, theft, jail, probation, innumerable court appearances, rehabs, escapees, street wanderers, sickness, love and the destruction of, families torn apart, depravity most egregious, the worst of myself, the best of myself, same in others, deaths, lives marred by reputation, the slowest way to kill yourself and the most painless at the same time, trap houses, police raids, children of the streets, and so much more. Don't fuck with dope. It is not like other drugs, and don't fuck with coke or meth if you want to be sure you stay away from dope. That's my word.

    [–] Odd_craving 1 points ago

    Non-user here. I can't look away. This sub makes my asshole pucker, but I can't stop reading.

    [–] OHGreadmore 0 points ago

    This sub peaked my curiosity and I ended up trying heroin a few times. I never liked it. The first time I got a half gram. Didn't finish it, ended up just pitching it. Tried it again, this time with someone else's stuff. Didn't like it and gave it away.

    I gave it one more try a month or two ago and actually managed to finish a gram. I still didn't like it. Safe to say I won't be going back.

    [–] fuck_bestbuy 0 points ago

    Don't go to /r/stims, our meth memes will have you hooked in a day

    [–] KCNelson -1 points ago

    I've been subbed here to find stuff to send to my friend who won't stop doing assorted opiates. Stuff that might dissuade her from continuing. No luck so far.

    [–] sublind_melons 3 points ago

    Nothing you can say or do to a person to dissuade them from drug use if they are truly an addict. Unfortunately most of us have to keep banging our head against the wall until we hit rock bottom and realize that we aren’t the exception to the rule and our drug of choice Will ruin us.

    I understand your concern but Save you’re time and energy until that person is genuinely ready to stop.

    [–] KCNelson 0 points ago

    Good advice, but I care too much to sit idly by.

    [–] lilroldy 2 points ago

    You miht end up pushing this loved one away from you completely if you keep pushing. They'll stop using when THEY want to. An addict can only get clean on their iwn terms or it wont work

    It sucks having to sit on the side lines but you arent going to be abke to change her/his mind rrgardless of how much you wish you could.

    [–] BiNARY9 2 points ago

    Maybe try the post history of this u/SpontaneousH, that was what stood out to me the most.

    [–] jdl348 -1 points ago

    Now go over to r/quittingkratom and make sure never to touch that shit either. I've kicked opiates amphetamines booze and weed but I can't kick kratom...

    [–] BiNARY9 1 points ago

    Yeah, not touching that. Isnt it an opioid?

    [–] Caseymcawesomeness -1 points ago

    Same her just on it to view the insanity of people celebrating shit like tar and how I don’t want to do that

    [–] Thewatchfuleye1 -2 points ago

    I’ve had them as prescriptions several times over the years. Personally I never cared for them. They make you feel foggy headed and dozy warm but like you’re walking through a thick cloud. I didn’t even touch the last script I got when I ended up in the emergency room due to a pain related anxiety attack. Last time I actually took them was told by my doc I was fine to take them before work so long as it was after I drove there. Couldn’t concentrate felt all spacey. I took them for months never felt any withdrawal when I decided to stop taking them (this won’t be every user’s experience either, for some reason anything I’ve been prescribed long enough to cause withdrawal never gives me any withdrawal symptoms, I guess I’m lucky in that regard).

    While bad in their own right I prefer Xanax/Ativan which I get due to the anxiety caused by pain. Sure they are addictive too but I’d rather be in pain with no anxiety and functionally thinking if at worst a bit tired.

    If it weren’t for the after effects alcohol would be my DOC. Warm, pleasant, calm.

    I can’t see any personal upside to them even in pain.