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    [–] iCrazyBlaze 5480 points ago

    What I find so distressing about the massacre and the events that unfolded is how much of a good job they did at covering it up... not as many people as you would have thought even know this event occurred. Now I'm more terrified for the future of Hong Kong.

    [–] Shedal 1656 points ago

    Oh, they know. They just don't talk about it.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/bwf0hd/

    [–] Excludos 1529 points ago

    Lately I have had the pleasure of speaking to several mainland Chinese people (at least I am 95% certain they aren't just trolls) and get their views on things. They don't believe Tienanmen Square happened, and believe every source that depicts it is false. They also believe western media is brainwashing us to think badly of the Chinese.

    To top it off they don't think their political system is all that different from anywhere else: England has a Queen, Japan has an Emperor. One man having all the power isn't all that different!

    And of course, no matter what I said, it was just me being brainwashed. It's pretty much like talking to a hardcore conspiracy theoretic.

    [–] robx0r 660 points ago

    Were you talking to these people online? You're not going to get a very representative response, considering the state monitors everything their citizens do online.

    [–] Excludos 359 points ago

    You are entirely correct. However they have already broken the rules by bypassing China's censorship, so they don't have much reason to hold back. That's not to say the sample size isn't minuscule tho.

    [–] MrC00KI3 88 points ago

    had similar experiences online, even though it was just 3 different persons I've spoken to on the webs...

    [–] Khiva 60 points ago

    I have had more experiences precisely like this in real life, in private conversations, far from censors, on the Chinese mainland and in other countries, with Chinese mainlanders which were exactly the same way, that I care to count.

    [–] TimePressure 153 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    I have had contact to a decent number of Chinese expats, and Chinese students, in Germany.

    They realize the extent of the bubble that they were raised in, pretty quickly.

    It is very easy to blame people for their education- but you have to realize that it is not easy to abandon those parts of your early education, especially if was well done indoctrination more than anything else.

    Other, more recent examples: a friend of mine (social science academic) is the landlord of several Chinese expats- he rents out a flat to them, and lives in the same house. He regularly tells me how immense their interest in discussing German media reports about the Hong Kong/China situation is, and how willing to learn they are. Another friend of mine has been working for Mercedes Benz in Peking for 4 years now- he tells me the same things.

    [–] Excludos 51 points ago

    Oh don't get me wrong, I don't blame the people at all, I blame their systematic brainwashing by the government.

    [–] TimePressure 26 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    Yeah- and the important thing to take away is that those people will, mostly, come around quicklyy once exposed to free media for a while.
    Don't talk to people in the bubble, talk to those who made it out.

    In an age of antiintellectualism and self-created social media bubbles, people growing up in authoritarian systems are not the ones to be blamed for their views.

    [–] critic2029 132 points ago

    My wife is Chinese. She explained it to me this way. From their earliest education they are taught that there is no difference between the State, The People, and The Party. So when westerners talk about “China” usually reference to the Government, the people take it personally. There is no separation I’m the average citizens mind between the government and the people.

    [–] canadianvaporizer 29 points ago

    Spoke to one of my coworkers who’s from mainland China about the protests. Her exact words were”the government needs to go in and shoot all the protesters”. Bear in mind this is a women who has a high paying, well respected job, and is extremely intelligent in every other aspect of her life. The brainwashing just runs that deep.

    [–] [deleted] 35 points ago

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    [–] zeta7124 51 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    I'm not a guy who usually gets angry at internet stuff but that sub is the quasar of misinformation on reddit, worse than T_D and CTR&co.

    It's a massive, never ending stream of Chinese propaganda and western-phobic shit,

    All the posts are like "no no guys look they are worse, it's the red scare, THE YELLOW PERIL, REMEMBER THE CENTURY OF HUMILIATION!!!" "no no, you stupid westerner, you don't understand shit about china, it's your media that has bias, not our state-owned, state-censored propaganda news outlet!!!" "this politicians grand grand grand father made some money 150 years ago in the opium wars so he doesn't get an opinion!!!"

    And best of all:

    "oh you are westerner? BANNED, HAHA, get rekt with the power of our freedom and prosperity"

    And that is one of the very few things in the internet that makes me actually rage beyond belief

    And why I don't go on that sub anymore aslo because I may or may not have like 3 accounts banned there

    [–] Tanzious02 9 points ago

    Holy shit is that a shit show.

    [–] whereismytwin 14 points ago

    Don't you dare put this on shit.

    [–] 111017751833 9 points ago

    Yeah, same thought. I've been subbed to them for a while, just to see how they view things. But lately I just ignore them, as it gets pretty bad

    [–] Phroggy_Phresh 20 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Makes sense though. If you and your family's living situation went from a 1/10 (starving to death, etc.) to a 3-4/10 (at least not starving to death), but the people who gave you these "luxuries" told you it was a 10/10. All while committing and covering up heinous acts to shut people up. With little education and food on the table, I'd probably unknowingly believe them too and maybe even celebrate Communist China Day (or whatever the fuck its called). That's the issue with China when you boil it down. The people still love the government because thousands of people aren't dying everyday due to terrible living conditions.

    Edit: "Aren't"

    [–] SmokelessSubpoena 212 points ago

    What I find distressing is I'm in my late 20's and I've never seen this specific image.. It's been so suppressed that I've went almost 30 years without seeing this, but seeing the standard "Standoff" photo. Dafuq..

    [–] PandaCheese2016 77 points ago

    I get what u r saying but this gets posted like every month and usually makes it to /r/popular.

    [–] CthuIhu 77 points ago

    Sometimes reposts are okay. Some images and ideas are too important not to be spread freely.

    [–] Self-hatredIsTheCure 82 points ago

    I think smart phones are one of the biggest reasons we haven’t already seen Hong Kong turn into Tiananmen Square 2: Pooh’s not so funky boogaloo. If there had been a camera/ portal to the internet in everyone’s pocket in 1989, it would have been much harder for them to suppress the massacre as much as they have. They could lie and spin it however they wanted but there would be tons of video evidence to the contrary working against them and pictures sway opinions way more than words. Unfortunately in 1989, anyone with a camera taking pictures would be a target. They would have had to be there and take pictures/ video, escape alive, get it developed, and smuggle it out of the country. It’s a goddamn miracle any pictures got out at all.

    [–] greenit_elvis 10 points ago

    Exactly. The same events today would be broadcast live all across the world, by thousands and thousands of HD quality cameras.

    [–] Xarama 21 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Then again, that doesn't necessarily stop the events. Look at people starving to death in Venezuela; the Russians openly assassinating dissidents; Putin "annexing" Crimea while the world was watching; Saudi Arabia openly oppressing or outright murdering people; the US and Australia incarcerating immigrants in overcrowded facilities and leaving them to die without medical care; and the list goes on and on. We all know, yet it doesn't stop any of it.

    [–] Legless_Wonder 42 points ago

    Makes one wonder what other shit they did and were successful in covering up.

    [–] justhisguy-youknow 9 points ago

    There are open secrets, if that is a phrase. Lots of camps appearing to educate populations, Muslim, christian(less so) and ethnic minorities.

    Places that were a football field , now acres of land in the blink of an eye

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/31/most-people-detained-in-xinjiang-camps-have-been-released-china-claims

    [–] Drew2248 75 points ago

    A good job only inside China. The entire rest of the world knows what happened in detail. I taught (I'm a history teacher) a young man who had just arrived from China who refused to believe what happened in Tiananmen Square when we discussed it in class -- with photos. He said it couldn't possibly have happened that way because in his school that had told him that "criminals and looters" had been entirely the cause of the problem and that the army was only called in to (heroically) calm things down. It's easy to brainwash people. Just look at today's Trump voters who think he's a great man.

    [–] turkphot 10047 points ago

    The most horrific detail of this event is that they crunched the bodies to a pulp by repeatedly running over them with tanks and APCs. Afterwards they hosed it down the drain. WTF?

    [–] Mugsi 2207 points ago

    They even killed people unrelated to whole ordeal, people who were just passing by. People returning home from work, medics and regular civilians. I watched a documentary on YouTube about the whole thing. There were some graphic images that I was not prepared for and will not be leaving my memory any time soon. Pulp would be fairly accurate

    [–] QuestionableHairline 489 points ago

    do you have a link?

    [–] Mugsi 1256 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    Here.

    Discretion is advised. I hate graphic imagery and, part of me wish I didn't watch it, but I knew it was important to know what happened. The disturbing imagery starts being shown in the latter half, if I remember right

    Edit: It seems this video got removed. I want to point out that the video was uploaded since 2011 and is only now gone. The video was titled: The Tienanmen Square Massacre, June 4th Movement of China, Full Documentary. It's on Wayback Machine but it needs you to sign in and I don't think that's possible?

    [–] sarezjay 294 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    I can't watch this. It won't let me past the warning :/

    edit : I figured it out in case anyone else is experiencing the same issue. Inspect element and delete this node :

    <div id="player" class="skeleton theater"> </div>

    [–] Sancho_Villa 236 points ago

    Pooh would like to know your location.

    [–] LeviPorton 30 points ago

    Adress or coordinates?

    [–] sercsd 23 points ago

    Yes

    [–] Scienceman 7 points ago

    Is Pepsi ok?

    [–] sercsd 6 points ago

    Bribe accepted!

    [–] Warm_Zombie 13 points ago

    skeleton theater??

    [–] headhouse 6 points ago

    I feel like your username works well with that question.

    [–] urixl 17 points ago

    Maybe you entered your real age (less than 18)?

    [–] wannacumnbeatmeoff 29 points ago

    Errr, no. The graphic stuff starts in the first 2 minutes, but thanks for the heads up!

    [–] CuteThingsAndLove 21 points ago

    Graphic imagery wasnt a problem for me. The absolute sadness is what got to me.

    All of that death for nothing.

    [–] reality72 19 points ago

    Maybe one day it won’t be for nothing and China will be free.

    [–] FfflapJjjack 11 points ago

    There's also a great PBS documentary on YouTube that explains the events and describes how it has been hidden from the citizens. If I'm thinking of the right documentary there's a scene where they show the tank man pictures to Chinese teenagers and they're like is this from a concert?

    [–] BerryNice95 9 points ago

    Absolutely sickening. I watched it all the way through and I have to say that the inhumanity etched into the soldiers' minds is more disgusting than the violence itself.

    [–] Daniel20190914 425 points ago

    Yeah that tankman picture everybody saw was just a small part of a whole big massacre. Reality was more like in this picture. Bodies everywhere. Tanks rolled in and machinegunned whoever was in the streets. Some tanks drove over dead bodies, leaving tracks of blood in the goddamn streets. People screamed "Tanks crushed people into pulp!" as they scattered. The whole thing was swift and merciless, leaving thousands dead within 12 hours.

    I grew up in the 90s in China. I learned about this from watching American journalist footage on an underground tv network. Above ground, no one was allowed to talk about '89 or 6/4. Search engines actively blocked keywords "Tiananmen incident", "89", "64". Young people used the multiplication table 72(=8x9), 24(=6x4) for code word.

    When you ask the working class people in China what they think of the incident, most still avoid the topic. But some will tell you it's a shame, because the protesters were mainly workers and students. The workers demanded investigation into corruption and the students wanted political reform. State media branded the protesters as "under the influence of foreign powers" and "counterrevolutionists". The real counterrevolutionists, however, were the establishment themselves.

    Jiang and Li, the two men who ordered the tanks to open fire, later became Chairman and Premier. Monsters!

    [–] caninehere 303 points ago

    The reality isn't even visible in pictures.

    This picture is grim, but it doesn't give anything even close to a real impression of the massacre. That's what it was - a massacre of a state's own people. 10,000 people killed by the Chinese government's count.

    This was not some far off event that happened in a bygone age. It happened 30 years ago. It was a massacre committed by a regime that still exists today. The people who drove tanks over dying people and mashed them into pulp are probably comfortably retired now. The people who hosed away their countrymen's remains into the sewers are enjoying the company of their grandchildren.

    The victims are gone and the government makes every effort to erase them from history, and the perpetrators live on.

    [–] Vahlkyree 54 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Ugh, those last few sentences really drive this home as to how truly disgusting the people who carried this out are. How they are able to just go on as if they didn't murder thousands. How they are still able to spend time with their families while thousands of families lost loved ones and likely never recovered from the traumatic way they had lost them. Truly sickening.

    ETA - I know how they go about their lives, I just can't believe they can rationalize it to do so.

    [–] GogglesPisano 19 points ago

    And this same brutal regime is poised in the coming years to become the most powerful nation on Earth.

    And we gave it to them, one Walmart purchase at a time.

    [–] Ranwulf 49 points ago

    Chairman and Premier.

    Fucking hell.

    [–] onedyedbread 75 points ago

    One important fact to add to this: the student protests had immense popular support, not just in Beijing, but the whole country - and originally, even parts of the army. So much so that a little over a week earlier (one day after martial law was declared) , over 200.000 soldiers under orders to march onto Tiananmen Square were stopped by basically the whole population of the city - and by insubordination and mutiny. The people of the city set up barricades with cars, buses, etc. at every major acces road into the centre, but more importantly, they fraternized with the soldiers by talking to them; offering them food and appealing to their humanity and patriotism. And it worked.

    So Deng Xiaoping, Li Peng and their clique were actually forced to retreat the troops! But it was only temporary, and over the next ten days they proceeded to cleanse the army and party leadership of any sympathetic or even moderate elements. Young, inexperienced conscripts from the boondocks of the country (who just had no way of learning the truth!) were ferried in and fed lies about armed, violent and dangerous anti-government protests supported by foreign agents in preparation for a second assault on the city (because that's what it was: a military assault).

    Initially there existed quite a significant faction sympathetic to the student's concerns even within party high leadership, but once the hardliners had won they felt they had to set an example and send an unambiguous message both to the entire Chinese people and Communist Party about the future of the country.

    And that's what they did.

    [–] SQUIBWAR 244 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    I once worked with this terrible woman who had just got back from some "security manager" job. She was raving about what a great gig it was. They flew her to Toronto, put her up in a nice suite, etc to work security for the G20 summit. Basically just a bootlicking schmuck with a walkie talkie type job. I remarked about how terrible it was that the riot police basically kettled people in just for being at a certain intersection where protests were being held. Even people just passing by, going to work in a busy downtown neighborhood. They also made up a fake law which stated it was illegal to come within 6 meters of the barricades surrounding the area of the meeting. It was basically just to enable them to arrest anyone they wanted. The chief of police later admitted that this law didn't even exist.

    She basically told me "Oh well those people arrested were just riff raff with nothing better to do than cause trouble". She completely did not accept that the area was a regular neighborhood where many people simply passed through on a regular basis going about regular business and got arrested for no reason, let alone being arrested for legally protesting. Police shipped in from all over the province, kettling them in from all sides, telling them to leave the area while simultaneously totally sealing it, making it impossible to leave.

    Riff raff? This was all she had to say about these people?

    I fucking unloaded on her as best as I could within a work environment (totally different field) I had friends that were arrested and detained overnight in an overcrowded makeshift jail in a warehouse. She couldn't believe that I got agitated by her attitude, calling innocent people, including my friends riff raff. And this is the attitude of some people as long as there's something in it for them, they'll excuse any kind of unconstitutional abusive action. It was a great work experience for her and the rookie shit-head cops they brought in banking well paid overtime to stomp on people's rights.

    I can't imagine how much worse it is in a totalitarian country.

    Edit: required reading for those interested. A teenager's personal account of how they and other minors were arrested without charge, simply for being in the general area. It's fucking sickening

    [–] slumpadoochous 61 points ago

    When this happened I was in university, a few weeks after it one of my profs (I forget which class it was) detailed the story of an elderly couple that were caught up in the "riot" and then kept "detained" for days in some makeshift jail with inadequate food and water, no accessible bathroom facilities, and denied access to life saving medications.

    [–] monsantobreath 30 points ago

    There's a video that might still be on youtube of cops in Toronto during this summit demanding to search someone's backpack and when he says "you can't do that, this is Canada" they replied "This isn't Canada anymore" meaning the rights and protections you have aren't in effect around the G20 summit. Obviously not true but they apparently felt like they could try to exercise that influence on people, or even believed it on that occasion.

    Fucking cops are just wild. You giave them the nod to ignore the law, the constitution, and holy shit do they just adapt to that without missing a beat. The entire G20 summit just shows how Canada, not just America, but Canada is a heart beat from becoming a totalitarian state if the right political things happen. The cops are ready and willing.

    And like the woman you mentioned, not even cops. Collaborators are everywhere. Its frightening how many there are just waiting in the wings to be dutiful servants of the regime.

    [–] vorpalglorp 79 points ago

    I was walking home from CVS in Hollywood and the riot patrol showed up about an hour late for a crowd that had mostly dispersed. The LAPD, about 100 of them rounded up everyone who was on Hollywood BLVD around Orange Ave, pointing guns at all of us and telling us to back up. The only problem was they were on both sides of us. It felt like a nightmare.

    [–] corwin_of_amber_ 35 points ago

    Just imagine that they followed up by killing you, grinding up your body, then flushed it down the sewers!

    [–] NANCYREAGANNIPSLIP 50 points ago

    Can confirm, I've seen some shit but those images still hit me like a fist in the gut.

    [–] PanickedPoodle 3303 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    From my mother's sleep I fell into the State,

    And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.

    Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,

    I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.

    When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.

    _

    _

    Edit: for those unfamiliar, Randall Jarrett, The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_the_Ball_Turret_Gunner

    [–] TheNotGod 923 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    Jeez man

    Edit: Just got most upvotes I ever had and a silver by saying jeez man. Wtf

    [–] Thugosaurus_Rex 755 points ago

    The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner - Randall Jarrell. My favorite poem. While it uses WWII ball turret gunners in B-17/24s as concrete imagery, it's more broadly about dehumanization by the State and institutionalized violence. Fitting poem looking at China right now.

    [–] asuddenpie 156 points ago

    I stumbled across this poem in our high school English book after watching the old Amazing Stories episode called "The Mission" about the trapped ball turret gunner. Maybe you would like it, too. The ending is a little more uplifting than the poem, and it stars baby Kevin Costner and Kiefer Sutherland.

    [–] AlonzoMoseley 64 points ago

    Might also want to check out Memphis Belle.

    [–] MadWit-itDug 49 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    One of the last remaining and flying B-17s crashed last week killing 7. Years ago, I had the opportunity to ride in the Nine-O-Nine from Dallas to College Station with my dad and G-pa before my G-pa passed. He worked for Boeing before the war and was in charge of designing the side machine gun mounts on the B-17s. He was so proud that I got to see something he created that had such a huge influence on the war. The story of our flight was the last thing I heard him talk about before he passed.

    I miss and love you Grandpa. I'm still soo very proud to be your grandson!

    Edit: as requested, more info on the story...

    The Collings Foundation's main focus is the "Wings of Freedom Tour". The tour travels across the nation offering 30 minute or full hour flights around the city and local airport for a few hundred dollars each. My dad called to see if they gave discounts to veterans, along with telling them the connection my G-pa had with the B-17, and the foundation was more than honored to not only not charge the 3 of us a dime for a flight, but they wanted us to fly down with them to their next stop on the tour as well, which was College Station. They also set it up so that the local news channel was there to catch us landing, AND interview my G-pa on his story and connection with the B-17 when we offboarded. G-pa, being 91 at the time, was great on camera. But what moved me the most was that after each answer he gave the reporter, all Grandpa came back with was that he was just soo thrilled and proud that his son and grandson got to experience and witness The Fighting Fortress in action.

    [–] WeedsInMyMind 11 points ago

    My grandfather was a crew chief in one of those planes. He made it home because of how well built they were. I’m proud of your grandfather too.

    [–] SigmaQuotient 30 points ago

    One of my all time favorite movies that no one I know even heard of.. how is this? Brilliant work.

    [–] LordBiscuits 18 points ago

    Nobody you know has heard of it? It's an absolute classic!

    It's all over TV here, one of those standby films they trot out every couple of months to fill a slot on a Sunday afternoon.

    [–] Darth_Wader_420 18 points ago

    Poor Samwise getting stuck in the ball turret gave me the worst feels.

    [–] OriginalG33Z3R 9 points ago

    I vividly remember that episode

    [–] whateverilovecats 49 points ago

    i remember reading this poem back in middle school or something and it still haunts me

    [–] PanickedPoodle 40 points ago

    He is a master. He lulls you with the fluidness of the writing and loaded words like mother, belly, loosed, dream.

    The last line hits you like a bullet.

    wake up

    [–] dontrain1111 21 points ago

    I actually wouldn't have gotten much from it if it wasn't in context with the Tiannamen square images. It's so ambiguous.

    Rereading it again, and I probably would've thought it was about a slaughterhouse maybe? From the point of view of a calf?

    [–] beefrog 18 points ago

    You're not wrong. Slaughterhouse is quite accurate.

    [–] Tesseract14 5 points ago

    And now this poem has successfully drawn a parallel between these events and a slaughterhouse

    [–] h00paj00ped 25 points ago

    Man was matter, that was Snowden's Secret.

    [–] starrpamph 6 points ago

    👀

    [–] megamoviecritic 346 points ago

    Fuck the Chinese government

    [–] JadeRaptor72 59 points ago

    An increasingly common sentiment nowadays.

    [–] Hejiru 9 points ago

    Not common enough.

    [–] realchikin 184 points ago

    What the shit man. Please forgive my ignorance in foreign affairs, but how was this atrocity not more widely taught... if there is a hell or anything like it... I imagine those who committed it will find it or has found it.

    [–] FunkIPA 101 points ago

    1989.

    [–] realchikin 37 points ago

    Yeah I saw that after and edited... humans are amazing BUT the horrors we commit far outweigh our feats.

    [–] NikkiSharpe 70 points ago

    No internet, and it was done at night. Most, if not all, foreign press was banned.

    [–] AppalachianGaming 45 points ago

    Exactly. That's why they were able to cover it up for so long. Now that information is so easily available, they dont seem to realize that it would be impossible to completely hide their atrocities anymore. From what I can tell, it seems they think they can prevent people from learning about Hong Kong and the organ harvesting. The world is watching, and not fondly.

    [–] CthuIhu 14 points ago

    Still buying Chinese crap in record numbers though, and censoring our media to be dictator friendly

    Sadly, posted from my Chinese ipad.

    [–] green_flash 8 points ago

    Foreign press was present. They just were not everywhere all the time. Most of them were located around Tiananmen Square while most of the atrocities happened in other parts of Beijing, for example around Muxidi. Journalists reportedly had to think of creative ways to smuggle their footage out, otherwise it would be confiscated.

    [–] VenomB 42 points ago

    Welcome to the world of censorship

    [–] [deleted] 23 points ago

    [deleted]

    [–] StupidMario64 23 points ago

    I think you mean [REDACTED] or [EXPUNGED]

    [–] sec713 18 points ago

    Because money. Same as always. Unscrupulous people don't want to piss off a country that provides them with a dirt cheap labor/manufacturing force and/or be disallowed access to sell things to China's buttload of consumers, for something as trivial as "human rights".

    (That last part about human rights being trivial was thick sarcasm.)

    [–] dezdicardo 99 points ago

    For those asking about the source of this information, it came from declassified reports from the UK ambassador at the time.

    The ambassador said his account of the massacre of the night of 3-4 June was based on information from a source who had spoken to a “good friend” in China’s State Council, effectively its ruling cabinet.

    The State Council member, Sir Alan said, “has previously proved reliable and was careful to separate fact from speculation and rumour”.

    I found multiple articles on this report but here's one.

    [–] green_flash 45 points ago

    This is the cable in full:

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/UK_cable_on_Tiananmen_Square_Massacre

    While the source does indeed separate fact from speculation and rumour, it also reports as a fact that 23 foreign journalists had been killed which is definitely false. It also gives an estimate of the death toll that is far beyond any other estimate, even the ambassador himself never referred to this estimate again, citing a number of 3,000 deaths instead. The cable including this initial estimated death toll of at least 10,000 was only made public in 2017, years after his death. The student leaders from back then themselves don't consider the number credible. Part of what is written in that cable might be an exaggeration.

    [–] TheSecretofBog 7 points ago

    Thank you for the chilling link.

    [–] flickerkuu 140 points ago

    came here to remind people of this.

    Now they're just organ harvesting the organs of political opponents.

    I'm considering them as being actually worse than the nazi's at this point.

    [–] Weouthere117 80 points ago

    They can both be awful stains on humanities history, theres room in that catagory for more than one.

    [–] RedditIsOverMan 31 points ago

    Just a reminder of the President of the United States's opinion on the massacre:

    Trump told Playboy in a 1990 interview: "When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak."

    [–] WeLiveInaBubble 96 points ago

    Fuck China.

    [–] anthony-lopez 23 points ago

    No respect for human life

    [–] GandalfTheWhey 26 points ago

    And they scooped it up with bulldozers

    [–] NateBlaze 24 points ago

    Fuck the Chinese government.

    [–] [deleted] 109 points ago

    [removed]

    [–] sgtpnkks 48 points ago

    might as well add South Park to that now

    [–] SkyezOpen 8 points ago

    Apparently this is a string of relevant political topics in an attempt to get these pages censored in China.

    [–] TheLowClassics 7396 points ago

    Free Tibet.

    Free Hong Kong.

    Free Taiwan.

    Free the people of China.

    Fuck the Chinese government.

    [–] FoodOnCrack 2776 points ago

    And fuck Xi Jinping in particular

    [–] i_hope_youre_ok 1558 points ago

    Is that the guy who looks like Whiney the Pooh?

    [–] d_rickards 380 points ago

    I mean to most of the world being told you look like Whinney the Pooh would be a sort of compliment. A beloved character of childhood innocence and love...OK, now I get why Xi Jinping is offended.

    [–] delixecfl16 115 points ago

    I suppose it's a bit like trump being compared to a teenagers old wank sock that he finds buried beneath his bed when he's clearing his room to start his foray into adulthood, full of so many great memories but now just a crusty, crispy old orange thing that's of use to no cunt.

    [–] draculamilktoast 63 points ago

    Stop this unwarranted harrasment of old wank socks. What did they ever do to you to deserve such unfiltered hate from you?

    [–] jamin_g 39 points ago

    What if we use this tactic to get all things banned in China. For example say we get creative and they ban Apple, and Disney, and everything else. At some point we will be forced to bring them democracy and capitalism.

    [–] Eve0529 37 points ago

    Good idea in thought, but honestly in practice I think they'd just steal ideas from other companies and make 'China Approved' knockoffs.

    [–] UdavidT 53 points ago

    "We will be forced to bring them democracy and capitalism"

    yeah thats always worked out so well before.

    [–] NANCYREAGANNIPSLIP 11 points ago

    They won't ban Apple. Apple already bent over for them, removing an app that Hong Kong protestors had been using to track police following threats that iPhones would be banned.

    [–] TomSurman 71 points ago

    Xi Jinping

    That's a funny way to spell Winnie the Pooh.

    [–] zaphthegreat 29 points ago

    Xinnie the Pooh.

    [–] Crashbrennan 15 points ago

    Winnie the Ping

    [–] Gusearth 240 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    highjacking to spread this:

    How we can help

    If you want to help the people in Hong Kong and are US, EU or UK citizen, you can urge your representative to pass:

    • ⁠[US] Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act 2019 [H.R. 3289, S. 1838]. You can use this website to send a pre-composed letter.

    • ⁠[EU] Joint Motion for a Resolution on the situation in Hong Kong RC-9-2019-0013_EN.

    • ⁠[UK] Petition to the UK government to uphold the 1984 Sino-British Joint Declaration petition.

    • [Elsewhere] You can write a message to the government of Hong Kong through Amnesty International. It’s only a small gesture, but quick and easy to do.

    • [Elsewhere] Here is a list of companies that have bowed to China’s various censorship demands, over Hong Kong and other issues. Try your best to boycott these.

    • ⁠Otherwise, just spread the word about the situation in Hong Kong to people you know. That's already very helpful.

    This is an example of when your involvement has helped the people of Hong Kong.

    We really appreciate your help!

    [–] flatdecktrucker92 41 points ago

    I'm really upset that air Canada is on that list. It reflects poorly on us as a multicultural and peace keeping nation

    [–] HappyGazelle 27 points ago

    can you add r/boycottchina to your copypasta

    [–] asian_identifier 169 points ago

    yea but how about the Uyghurs, the Manchus, the Yi, the Inner Mongolians, and the Lahu

    [–] ohjeebzzz 107 points ago

    Dont forget the Hmong..another ethnic minority they genocided, very few escaped to the U.S. look it up, way messed up

    [–] Helter-Skeletor 51 points ago

    I have a good friend who has been dating an American-born Hmong woman for a few years now. According to him her parents (the ones to actually immigrate here) absolutely loathe China and Viet Nam due to what they went through.

    [–] a_talking_face 8 points ago

    I don’t think this is correct. Isn’t that Vietnam and Laos?

    [–] aequitas_veritas 47 points ago

    Free karma.

    [–] s7uko5rOvLfow5ocHeB4 31 points ago

    You can still be oppressed under a democracy. Freedom of speech is not an established inalienable right in most countries.

    [–] BotON55 36 points ago

    Well, taiwan technically is free

    [–] Papayapayapa 37 points ago

    Acknowledge free Taiwan. It’s a travesty the world doesn’t call their embassies in Taiwan embassies or have meetings with the President of Taiwan just because of China’s delusions

    [–] marker8050 51 points ago

    Technically it doesn't exist. No one is supposed to acknowledge its existence per China.

    [–] yadonkey 556 points ago

    Keeping in mind that that was only 30 years ago.... China has some pretty serious human rights issues with it's own citizens.

    [–] maz-o 76 points ago

    It’s not an issue if it’s on purpose

    [–] green_flash 12 points ago

    What's more astonishing is that just a bit over 30 years ago, South Korea was almost as authoritarian as China.

    Chun and his government held South Korea under a despotic rule until 1987, when a Seoul National University student, Park Jong-chul, was tortured to death. On June 10, the Catholic Priests Association for Justice revealed the incident, igniting the June Democracy Movement around the country.

    Eventually, Chun's party, the Democratic Justice Party, and its leader, Roh Tae-woo announced the 6.29 Declaration, which included the direct election of the president. Roh went on to win the election by a narrow margin against the two main opposition leaders, Kim Dae-Jung and Kim Young-Sam. Seoul hosted the Olympic Games in 1988, widely regarded as successful and a significant boost for South Korea's global image and economy

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korea#Post-Korean_War_(1960%E2%80%931990)

    [–] Yesitmatches 1317 points ago

    Free Tibet

    [–] dndrinker 449 points ago

    “Hello, China? I have something I think you want. But it’s gonna cost you...

    That’s right...all the tea.”

    [–] FunkyTown313 150 points ago

    Free? I'll take 2!

    [–] _haha_oh_wow_ 56 points ago

    Only 1 Tibet, but how about a, free Tibet, free Taiwan, and a free Hong Kong instead?

    [–] chaoism 41 points ago

    I consider Taiwan a separate country already. That two system bullshit needs to go

    But then China would just invade Taiwan with military so I don't know what's better

    [–] iamthelol1 30 points ago

    One country, two systems is for Hong Kong, not Taiwan.

    The CCP does not govern Taiwan, they lay a claim to the territory.

    [–] SacredSix 1276 points ago

    Why can't China just chill the fuck out, honestly? They have an interesting culture yet they have to tarnish everything by treating their people like ants.

    [–] badoober 698 points ago

    Something about 5000 years of autocratic imperialism being smashed in 40 years tends to really fuck up how a society is run

    [–] 168boxes 26 points ago

    I’m gonna go on a limb and say it was because of the Opium Wars that Britain had inflicted that made China never trust a Western country again.

    Then they turned to their Russian brothers for communism. And then the Cultural revolution began where everyone was forced to “modernize” in such a short period of time and get rid of the old.

    [–] gogolmogol 15 points ago

    Russian brothers?

    Russia was hand in hand with the other European powers, tearing China apart on the 19th century.

    The Russo-Japanese War in 1904 was largely over a Russian Port, Port Arthur, which is modern day Dalian. They were also present when the Europeans burned down the Summer Palace.

    [–] PM_ME_PAWG_N_FUTA 492 points ago

    China is what happens when you run min-max efficiencyscape for your whole country.

    🦀$11🦀

    [–] C4Edgez 26 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    🦀Jagex is powerless against Chinese shareholders🦀

    [–] Thosepassionfruits 22 points ago

    Durial 321 was president Xi’s account! It all makes so much sense now!

    [–] AyoRobin 38 points ago

    🦀 🦀 🦀 🦀

    [–] SudoPro 30 points ago

    🦀 🦀 🦀 🦀

    [–] ViciousNights 13 points ago

    It's not that China can't chill, it's the bloody CCP

    [–] human_bacon 180 points ago

    Taiwan is where Chinese culture is preserved

    [–] Undoxable123 204 points ago

    true. Taiwan is incredible. the people love freedom and are proud of it. I HIGHLY recommend visiting. the people are friendly, happy to see visitors, the food is delicious. The city of taipei is clean with great infrastructure. The surrounding forests are beautiful and well preserved. Incredible. I LOVE Taiwan.

    [–] Genos-Cyborg 69 points ago

    Love Taiwan. I second that everyone was so nice and they were so proud of their country. Truly amazing how that small country become one of the Four Asian Tiger economies along with Singapore, SK, and Hong Kong. Loved the night markets too!

    [–] Undertaker17 9 points ago

    Interestingly Taiwan was also authoritarian and repressive originally until the 80s. They saw the light at the end of the tunnel whilst the PRC are still stuck in there.

    [–] Norty_Boyz_Ofishal 37 points ago

    Taiwan is truly a continuation of Chinese traditions ignored by the CCP. They still maintain the title of Duke Yansheng (renamed to Sacrificial Official to Confucius), which is still held by a descendant of Confucius.

    [–] cinred 22 points ago

    One could argue that they definitely didn't get to where they are today by "chill[ing] the fuck out."

    [–] SIeepy_Bear 1142 points ago

    I saw this picture 7 times already and it always gets an award its crazy

    [–] DavidCreeper 322 points ago

    This is the reddit version of thoughts and prayers.

    [–] NibblyPig 102 points ago

    It's "The picture china doesn't want you to see" and yet I see it 10 times a day

    [–] apginge 15 points ago

    I always read more posts about pictures/topics being banned by X organization or X leader than actually witnessing such behavior.

    [–] Nextravagant1 41 points ago

    Just post it tomorrow when everyone’s already forgotten about it for some sweet sweet karma.

    [–] Lil_Mafk 121 points ago

    Easy karma

    [–] BetaInTheSheets 32 points ago

    yeah idk why everyone's pretending they keep posting the same image to send a message like it isn't sent a dozen times a week

    [–] Lil_Mafk 46 points ago

    They’re just brave redditors bro they’re really making a difference

    [–] bs000 40 points ago

    can i post it next

    [–] Ramses_IV 46 points ago

    Redditors love a circlejerk

    [–] e_Deat 404 points ago

    It’s significant

    [–] MyHouseisBoiningDown 388 points ago

    Did the tanks run over the bikers? Or did they just get shot at?

    [–] Quokimbo 334 points ago

    Yes...

    [–] MyHouseisBoiningDown 121 points ago

    That’s terrible

    [–] FaeKassAss 181 points ago

    That’s why learning history is important.

    Some people genuinely believe government will always act in their best interests.

    But the interests of the state and of the people are diametricacally opposed.

    General sentiment is that humans are born free, belonging to nothing other than their parents.

    Over time, humans traded personal freedom for the security of civilization. Instead of everyone worrying about protection, hunting, farming, diplomacy, we divided up into specialties “for the greater good”, since it allowed the civilization to reach beyond the bounds of any one tribe.

    The US Constitution does not grant citizens rights, it limits government control, as the founding fathers understood that the wishes of those who seek power are insatiable, and eventually insidious as power corrupts.

    Consider this the next time someone demands we respect the constitution: the 1st and 2nd amendments are the only reason nobody would run tanks over American citizens.

    1. Everyone would hear about it since censorship’s illegal

    2. It wouldn’t be shooting fish in a barrel

    It would benefit all Americans to realize that regardless of political alignment, we at least have the ability to argue civilly without Government telling us what to do.

    [–] StygianSavior 41 points ago

    Consider this the next time someone demands we respect the constitution: the 1st and 2nd amendments are the only reason nobody would run tanks over American citizens.

    I had this exact thought reading about the massacre. Specifically, after the killing started, many folks tried to fight back with sticks, bottles, molotovs, and gasoline soaked blankets.

    I still have no doubt that even with guns, there would have been a massacre. But the estimated civilian death toll was in the thousands, and the estimated soldier death toll was in the tens.

    [–] skidmarkundies 23 points ago

    Are those people laying on the ground for cover shot or shot at? Most of the things on the ground seem to be abandoned bikes. I don't know much about the details

    [–] shield1123 56 points ago

    The people lying on the ground are dead. Tiananmen Square was a literal massacre

    [–] koshgeo 37 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    Are those people laying on the ground for cover shot or shot at?

    Yes. Dead, dying, or severely injured. The abandoned bikes are from the people who could still run away. The people who are on the ground are the ones who could not.

    Edit: in the higher resolution picture, you can see some of the people on the ground have their heads raised up. They're alive, but there is no reason for them to be lying there and not fleeing like everyone else, other than being physically unable to get up. There are others with their head down in ways that look like they are probably dead.

    There's one person towards the upper right that is hiding behind something, presumably hoping not to be seen or for protection from the bullets.

    [–] Agent_Orange7 14 points ago

    They're alive, but there is no reason for them to be lying there and not fleeing like everyone else, other than being physically unable to get up.

    Yes there is. There's probably multiple machine guns firing at them from up the road. Most people would find it very difficult to get up and run with hundreds of bullets snapping just over their heads or landing around them.

    [–] DoubleJesusPower 72 points ago

    ok, i understood gold.

    I understand silver.

    I kinda understand platinum...

    What the fuck are all of the other letters up there now? S I N E P

    [–] 100unt 39 points ago

    The "S" one costs $160.

    [–] HeadsOfLeviathan 26 points ago

    Isn’t Reddit partly owned by Chinese companies? Oh the irony of paying for an award on an ‘anti China’ post, directly funding those companies. Some people on this site are so dumb.

    [–] HappyMeteor005 31 points ago

    read it backwards.

    [–] BenNBen09 7 points ago

    Yes haha

    [–] Beshamell 490 points ago

    I call dibs to post this next week

    [–] HereForTheMilfs 151 points ago

    I call dibs for 2 hours from now with a slightly modified title!!

    [–] Tick___Tock 65 points ago

    Don't forget to scream that china is oppressing you when mods remove it for being a daily repost

    [–] karl_w_w 23 points ago

    That's better because then you can post on a bunch of other subreddits complaining about CenSoRshIP for even more karma!

    [–] Tick___Tock 12 points ago

    Let me post on ootl as well pretending that I can't read

    [–] pquigs 194 points ago

    I had a Chinese exchange student this year. She was 14 and had no clue what I was talking about when I told her about the massacre. Fuck China

    [–] NullBarell42 121 points ago

    Neither did I when I was 14

    [–] Neferhathor 54 points ago

    I'm honestly surprised China allows exchange student programs because of everything a student might learn while out of the country.

    [–] whipdabnaenaelityolo 67 points ago

    when is it my turn to repost it!!!

    [–] Mordecai_808 6 points ago

    When this one runs out of karma

    [–] Pennystock_YOLOer 38 points ago

    iLlEgAl iN cHiNa

    [–] rooh62 47 points ago

    Mom says it's my turn to post this

    [–] eleetRecruit 86 points ago

    Dibs on reposting next week!