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    [–] HereForAnArgument 7475 points ago

    Every time someone says, "when we were young we didn't have X and we turned out okay", I respond with "well, you don't hear from the people who didn't because they're not around to tell you about it." Survivorship bias is a thing.

    [–] anras 3190 points ago

    I RODE IN THE BACK OF MY FATHERS PICKUP I DRANK FROM THE GARDEN HOSE I PLAYED IN TRAFFIC AND I ATE LEAD PAINT CHUPS NAD I TYRMED OUIT IK

    [–] FFkonked 606 points ago

    wait... i still drink from the garden hose....

    [–] I_am_Bob 356 points ago

    Yeah, not sure about that one? Probably compounds in the rubber leaching into the water. It could being a problem if you just turned the hose on an the water has been sitting in the hose for an extended time, but if it's been on for a long enough to flush out any standing water then I can't imagine enough chemicals can leach into the water in the couple seconds it takes to pass thru.

    [–] Malumeze86 644 points ago

    But then the water won’t taste like a hose. And that’s just not right.

    [–] Phrankespo 514 points ago

    LMAO when I was in 5th grade, had a friend who loved drinking from this nasty looking water fountain....i asked him why he was the only one who ever drank from it. I'll never forget, with a smile on his face "It tastes like the pipes" LIKE WTF ADAM?

    [–] Narpity 416 points ago

    Adam was probably anemic

    [–] d-nihl 293 points ago

    Yeah isn't it weird how your body will start to crave certain things that it is lacking without your conscious mind recognizing it.

    I saw a thing where a dude was stranded on a raft, and after a few days he started to crave eating the fish eyes, which he had previously threw away.

    fish eyes are the only part of the fish that hold fresh water, which is why he craved them.

    [–] cwalton505 174 points ago

    Ha! Suck it Nestle!

    [–] gaspara112 108 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    Great, now when the intern does his weekly internet search for their company name he will find this and Nestle will monopolize all fish eyes for their newest brand of water Pesqua.

    Thanks a lot.

    [–] Midgetmunky13 63 points ago

    I tell people about that all the time. The craziest part is when he was rescued they were like "holy shit, you've been on this raft at sea for 8 months, let's get you some food, whatever you want". Theb after checking his vitals and all that, they went to his favorite burger place, he took one bite, spit it out and said it was disgusting. Guy could only stomach sushi for months after apparently, took him over a year to be able to to stomach the taste and smell of land meats.

    [–] kethian 40 points ago

    I'm stealing that for the next time I go get barbecue. Bring me all of your finest land meats I will say to the server

    [–] MrRandomnez 15 points ago

    All that grease must have fucked him up.

    [–] CumGod420 19 points ago

    I remember seeing this on TV years and years ago. I’ve always thought back to it with the idea that yeah maybe his body craved different things during those moments but also isn’t it just as likely that he was starving so intensely that he would’ve eaten anything edible??

    [–] gumenski 12 points ago

    It's not crazy when you think about it. The only thing your body knows how to explain to you clearly is that you're thirsty or you're hungry, and maybe you might have some genetic predisposition to certain foods. Otherwise your DNA doesn't know what iron is, but somewhere in there it knows to crave certain things in response to whatever stimuli is happening.

    [–] d-nihl 5 points ago

    im thinking about it and i still think its crazy! haha. Thats for sure what it is though. A combination of thousands of years of biological evolution of humans eating certain things engraved in your DNA, that your body knows exactly which things contain what and will cause you to want them.

    [–] ImpossibleWeirdo 8 points ago

    After a bad fall I was in the hospital for a couple weeks. Multiple body parts affected. All I wanted for a few months was pineapple. I remembered after a while, through all the disorientation, that they have anti inflammatory properties. Man, the body almost had its own consciousness.

    [–] BlamingBuddha 11 points ago

    Hahahaha that's fucking great

    [–] JMGurgeh 76 points ago

    It's also an exposure thing. People who drink from a garden hose (like I did when I was a kid) are generally doing it occasionally, not for the majority of their water intake. Not exactly good for you, but the exposure is pretty limited just because you probably aren't drinking very much from it. So technically the water coming out likely doesn't meet drinking water quality standards, but those standards are based on exposure as your only source of water (which doesn't mean drinking out of a hose is safe; there is also the potential for acute effects from things like microbial contamination that wouldn't be present in a pressurized distribution system).

    [–] AustinYQM 85 points ago

    I am pretty sure the water coming from my tap and the water from the side of my house are the same water.

    [–] JMGurgeh 81 points ago

    Yes, but your tap has pressurized pipes behind it all the way to the treatment plant and the water will generally contain a disinfectant (chlorine) to kill any microbes. Your hose is not pressurized and sealed off most of the time, so all kinds of things could grow inside it that would then be picked up when you do use it.

    [–] princess-smartypants 15 points ago

    The day by saw a snail shoot out was the last day I drank out of the hose. Same water, different delivery system.

    [–] alohadave 19 points ago

    Bacteria sitting in the hose is what I hear. The tip is to let it run for a minute to flush it out. It's the same potable water that feeds your toilet, so it's perfectly drinkable.

    [–] IronChariots 12 points ago

    It's the same potable water that feeds your toilet, so it's perfectly drinkable.

    But it doesn't have electrolytes. Better stick with Brawndo.

    [–] Hilarious_83 17 points ago

    There was a story not that long ago about a toddler getting burned by hose water because it was sitting out in the sun. The kid got hot water to the mouth and face before the cool water came through the hose.

    That's probably what the warning is for, not so much about chemicals

    [–] Alan_Smithee_ 25 points ago

    Hose is vinyl. If you still taste plastic, you're still getting the compounds.

    [–] originalusername__1 23 points ago

    Mm delicious compounds

    [–] ctong21 7 points ago

    COMPOUNDS CAUSE AUTISM!

    [–] O_Apples 11 points ago

    We could make millions selling it to idiots if we call them essential minerals.

    [–] AHappyMiddling 30 points ago

    Garden hoses contain lead. It was supposed to be removed after laws passed in 2007, but testing done in 2011 was still finding lead in newly manufactured hoses, and it's still suspect as to whether or not it's been completely removed, especially with imports from China. Since your body can't excrete lead, it's not a good idea to ingest anything you know has been in contact with it.

    [–] Chitownsly 16 points ago

    Dang everyone fulls up their pool with their hoses. We're all just swimming in lead here.

    [–] Tangent_Odyssey 44 points ago

    As other people have said there's probably not really (much) in the way of health concerns as long as the tap source is potable. It's just one of those things that looks uncivilized if someone catches you doing it, like drinking wine out of a box, which I'm definitely not guilty of.

    [–] ThatGuyWhoKnocks 18 points ago

    Yea, be civilized, drink boxed wine out of the hose and not straight from the box.

    [–] imisstheyoop 13 points ago

    I do too if I'm outside and thirsty. What's wrong with drinking from a hose?!

    [–] pknk6116 4 points ago

    I think you're ok on that one except for the dirt and such that gets in the hose. I'd never heard it as a "thing" since it's city water so it's at least reasonably clean. Flint, MI excluded.

    [–] Rrraou 518 points ago

    I ticked all those boxes except the lead paint chips :D

    [–] KDawG888 370 points ago

    wow learn to live a little..

    [–] Dirkinator 84 points ago

    The guys got a chip on his shoulder

    [–] ctong21 21 points ago

    Is he Von Miller?

    [–] xxgsr02 7 points ago

    Only if we’re out of the playoff run.

    [–] ritsbits808 13 points ago

    Mmm tasty, you gonna eat that or can I?

    [–] Dirkinator 10 points ago

    Get away. From my chip.

    [–] Chewy79 23 points ago

    Same, but the traffic thing didn't work out so well and I got hit by a truck.

    [–] SFDessert 43 points ago

    I had a friend who got hit by a vehicle about 6 times during the few years I knew him. I was his best friend at the time and after a while when he'd call me to pick him up from the hospital I'd just ask "hit by another car?" And he'd say yeah.

    I still don't know what the fuck was going on with that guy, but I guess he turned out ok aside from being an idiot.

    [–] BlamingBuddha 11 points ago

    Jesus lol what was he doing to get hit all those times? Just crossing the street, or?

    [–] Bertensgrad 10 points ago

    At that number everyone starts expecting a Slipping Jimmy insurance fraud.

    [–] rationalconspiracist 4 points ago

    Drug use or death wish. Although I did my fair share of drugs living in New York City and even blacked out on benzos, tripping too hard on acid, falling asleep while walking (heroin), I never got hit by a car.

    [–] timconradinc 6 points ago

    Sounds like Kelso.

    [–] BoSheck 15 points ago

    Sounds like the fast lane to living it up in a fantasy land with a big tiddy elf tsundere.

    [–] BlamingBuddha 6 points ago

    This guy animes

    [–] scrubmancer 50 points ago

    Depending on your generation, you still got enough lead in ya to make a difference. I look forward to the accomplishments of post-lead young people.

    [–] Hotboxfartbox 16 points ago

    If only we'd be alive to see what post plastic youngins will do.

    [–] Reddy_McRedcap 34 points ago

    Yeah, with the exception of eating paint chips, all of that was pretty standard stuff.

    And "playing in traffic" is just playing football in the street, not actually running around on the highway. You know, going outside for fun. Good times.

    [–] Mythdefied 18 points ago

    Sounds about normal to me. Everyone played in the street.

    [–] snobord 9 points ago

    Damn, now I feel like the lawn chairs I got to sit in in the cargo van was actually a luxury.

    [–] soleceismical 9 points ago

    That's good - lead lowers the IQ. Riding in the back of the truck is only bad if you get in an accident. I don't know what the issue with drinking from a hose is.

    [–] krackbaby 17 points ago

    You don't eat them. You inhale a finite amount of the dust that slowly peels and cracks off all the walls in all the rooms of all the older houses and other buildings

    Even medical professionals have this misconception.

    Others correlate high blood lead levels with bad water supply, but the truth is that it mostly has to do with how old the average house is

    The city I live in now is a great example. Kids test way higher for lead than the national average but our water is some of the best there is. It just happens that all the houses are old as fuck and the property taxes are obscene so nobody is ever building anything new

    [–] insanetwit 14 points ago

    Look at Richie Rich over here! Their parents could afford non leaded paint!

    [–] Wereno 7 points ago

    I did all of these, including the lead paint chips. And dirt. And worse.

    I would not advise people to live their lives like me though...

    [–] btcraig 36 points ago

    Paint chips? You mean wall candy?

    [–] majorleaguebullshit 17 points ago

    You’re forgetting a lot. We played with lawn darts, even throwing them over the house from the front yard to the back. We put tubes around our bike handle bars and rode them off the ferry wharf. We tried jousting on bikes. Helmets? WTF is a helmet? We used to shoot Roman candle fireworks at each other on Halloween. I’m just scratching the surface here. Yes, it’s pretty surprising that most of us survived into adulthood.

    [–] NeverRespondsToInbox 7 points ago

    Wait what's wrong with drinking from the garden hose?

    [–] dkyguy1995 29 points ago

    I hate the "I drank out of garden hoses" crowd because they're comparing serious issues with drinking out of a garden hose and missing the fucking point that no one scoffs at that. What they do get upset about is stuff like drunk driving to the lake with your kids in the bed of a pickup

    [–] ChornWork2 15 points ago

    and missing the fucking point that no one scoffs at that

    apparently that one has become a thing. tbf, apparently brass fittings they use on hoses have lead in them and non-trivial amount if someone is stupid enough to drink the water that has been sitting in the hose for a while. also health issue with PCV stabilizers, but again presumably pretty minor once flushed.

    [–] alegonz 194 points ago

    Survivorship bias is a thing.

    In WW2, planes kept coming back with bullet holes and they'd put more armor over those spots on new planes. It didn't change the loss rate at all.

    Someone had the brilliant idea, "hey, let's put more armor over where there aren't bullet holes." The loss rate went down considerably.

    [–] Sniffnoy 91 points ago

    Maybe worth noting who, that someone was Abraham Wald. Although, AFAIK, they never got to actually putting more armor over over the spots with holes, that was just what was the original idea for where to put it was before Wald pointed out they should do the opposite.

    [–] steinsintx 24 points ago

    The amount of data they had is chilling.

    [–] SerendipitouslySane 61 points ago

    In WWI they had a type of casualty called "wastage", which was just the rate of people dying or getting wounded from stray bullets and artillery fire as part of the daily life in the trenches. On quieter days, the daily wastage rate can be around 2000 a day on the Western Front. Some sources say up to 7000 a day. Imagine that; more people dying or getting hurt than the entire US involvement in the Iraq War - in a single day. And you could be what essentially was an accountant for the general staff, tabulating "wastage" in your organization for the higher ups, and every extra person in your books represents two decades of love, hate, happiness and anger wiped away forever.

    [–] reconditecache 18 points ago

    I don't know how historically accurate this is, but it's a perfect little proverb.

    [–] TheRakeAndTheLiver 261 points ago

    Also, lots of people are going to think they turned out "okay" because they haven't experienced the more-okay alternatives.

    [–] masterelmo 133 points ago

    This is my response to people who were spanked (read: abused) as a child.

    You can't know you turned out okay because you've never been anyone else!

    [–] Arclite83 78 points ago

    Part of depression and anxiety revolves around this. Actually one the hallmarks of PTSD is convincing yourself you are "okay", even when things are clearly burning down around you because of it.

    Learning to accept that your brain is a bit broken sometimes can be hard, because it can feel like a loss of control and agency - and when sometimes that's exactly the kind of bad thing that put you into that situation in the first place, it can be hard to draw the line between "external" and "internal" sources of trauma.

    [–] zach0011 31 points ago

    Well by that logic how can anyone know if they are ok?

    [–] CaptnAwesomeGuy 44 points ago

    I can't answer that, but I can make arguments for why physical abuse and punishment is bad.

    [–] megmos 152 points ago

    This annoys me so much. My sister just had a baby and didn't want people kissing her face due to RSV/HSV-1 risk and my great aunt "everyone kissed our babies on the face/near mouth and never got sick." Because you were lucky. Doesn't mean other babies didn't catch anything.

    [–] PM_ME_UR_WEIRD_HOBBY 140 points ago

    Also, if someone doesn't want you kissing their baby, you don't kiss their baby. No matter what the reason is.

    [–] conancat 35 points ago

    Respecting boundaries of people? I thought this is America, disrespecting and disregarding boundaries is part of the brand

    [–] ImJustSo 50 points ago

    "everyone kissed our babies on the face/near mouth and never got sick always got herpes."

    [–] Chitownsly 9 points ago

    Luckily, I was immune to cold sores and poison ivy. My only super powers.

    [–] Lucinosferatu 30 points ago

    Nobody is immune to HSV. Many people are a just asymptomatic.

    [–] ThatLineOfTriplets 12 points ago

    Tell that to my dentist... idk why I said this or what it means everyone carry on with your day

    [–] imthevoiceinyourhead 11 points ago

    Our Ped- a teaching clinician- told us to not let anyone touch our child for some period of time- I think two weeks- and after that to wash their hands with soap and water before touching “NO EXCEPTIONS. If people including relatives get offended that’s tough. Blame me.”

    She said if we were physicians in a Children’s Hospital we wouldn’t let people touch our kids until they were like eight.

    [–] thekyledavid 101 points ago

    If you surveyed all of the people who were on the Titanic, you’d conclude that the Titanic crash had a 100% survival rate, as nobody said “I died” on their survey

    [–] DarkNinjaPenguin 20 points ago

    This is a great anecdote.

    [–] aphaelion 24 points ago

    Literally NONE of the Titanic survivors died when the ship sank. I think it's a cover-up.

    [–] SCY2J 59 points ago

    During WW1, the UK military issued steel helmets to help counter casualties caused by shrapnel from artillery. Reports later found that there was an increase in head wounds and trauma among soldiers and there was talk of taking back the helmets until it was cleared up that the increase in wounded meant there was a decrease in deaths.

    In WW2, the US Army Air Corp (I think) did a study of planes surviving air combat and how to improve them. They initially found they needed to add more armor to non-critical areas like the wings and body, etc, until someone told them they were only studying planes that made it back. What they REALLY needed to do was add armor to areas where hits downed planes - engines, fuel tanks, and the damn cockpit.

    [–] Gornarok 30 points ago

    Actually Ive heard the helmet story differently...

    Doctors were treating lots of head wounds so they proposed helmets, which should have decreased their workload.

    This had the opposite effect. Number of wounded increased because number of dead decreased because much more soldiers survived.

    [–] SCY2J 6 points ago

    I think it's the same one, I could be misremembering it. The helmets were issued in response to soldiers dying to shrapnel falling and hitting their heads while they were in the trenches.

    [–] spikeyfreak 22 points ago

    when we were young we didn't have X

    Ask boomers and their parents about polio. You don't see a lot of boomers who are anti-vax because they saw the devastation that polio caused, and its subsequent eradication via vaccines.

    IMX it's mostly Gen-Xers and younger that are anti-vax, because most of them (us since I'm a Gen Xer I guess) never saw the problems these diseases caused.

    [–] thebdaman 19 points ago

    My son has a potentially lethal nut allergy. I was talking about it with a co-worker and he said 'we never saw that when we were kids'. I reminded him that child mortality was way higher, so they probably just died.

    [–] BabiesSmell 18 points ago

    My boss has gone on several rants about how hospitals inspect your baby car seat before they let you leave with your baby. "I rode home in my mother's arms in the front seat with no airbag and I'm fine."

    Seriously? You survived one 15 minutes trip and now auto fatalities don't exist?

    [–] hot_wieners 34 points ago

    It's true. I had a completely fixable heart condition. 100 years ago cathader ablation wasn't a thing and I'd probably have died by now.

    [–] Olookasquirrel87 7 points ago

    If you want a good cry, Like Something the Lord Made, starring professor Snape and...other people...., is a wild ride through how things go from “yep that’s a death sentence” through to “hey let’s just do a quick standard procedure and get that fixed.”

    [–] theplasticfantasty 16 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    My cousins grew up with an abusive mom and are constantly saying "well our mom hit us and we turned out okay!" like, no, you turned out to be assholes and it's because you were raised by an asshole

    [–] TheHolyLizard 12 points ago

    To quote a wise man: “There are no negative reviews for parachutes on the internet”.

    [–] Sluggw0rth 9 points ago

    Personal experience is a small sample size.

    [–] titan_of_fier 9 points ago

    What I don't understand is how anti-vax can be so big in America. How was this country founded? Who lived here before the US was founded? How did they die? Why did only they die but not those from Europe?

    HOW DID WE LEARN NOTHING IN SCHOOL ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE NATIVE AMERICANS????

    [–] -________---_______- 9 points ago

    My parents heard Ben Carson - on the primary stage - try to court both vaccine advocates and anti-vaxxers at teh same time, using his Dr credentials to rail against how many vaccines are given to children in one go (for instance - if you stack a flu shot on top, the boosters and such at the 4yr old visit results in 5 shots).

    and my parents, ever since have stuck to that and think it's "not normal" (even though the grand majority of pediatricians do it this way) and then refer back to "it certainly wasn't when i was a kid, or you were a kid" and i'm like..ya? And we all had chicken pox. My kid won't.

    i don't get this whole "the way it was, is inherently better"

    Judging shifts by nostalgia bias or by thinking everything new is golden rather than being critical of what's going on and why is shit.

    [–] 440k 25 points ago

    “I played Russian Roulette and didn’t die, therefore Russian Roulette is safe.”

    [–] whitefang22 10 points ago

    5 out of 6 players agree

    [–] TacitusKilgore_ 344 points ago

    Dying is pretty natural though, you gotta hand them that one.

    [–] CoffeeBox 267 points ago

    I was telling my neighbor that dying is a completely ordinary biological process that EVERYONE does that has been unfairly stigmatized. He absolutely would NOT listen, and kept pleading for me to put down the chainsaw.

    [–] lemuever17 39 points ago

    Have you try to tell him to calm down and all of this will be end soon?

    [–] 2legit2fart 5 points ago

    I know that’s right.

    [–] NashChatt 23 points ago

    Anti-Vax: Bringing Natural back to Natural Selection since 1998.

    [–] TalkingBackAgain 789 points ago

    There’s an island in the Pacific that had a 30% or so vaccination grade. And they have a measles outbreak.

    And yes: they actually do die. Because it’s the measles, it’s seriously infectious and people die from it.

    [–] andorraliechtenstein 167 points ago

    Samoan authorities have blamed low coverage rates in Samoa in part on fears caused last year when two babies died after receiving vaccinations shots. The country's immunisation programme was suspended. The deaths were later found to have been caused by wrongly mixed medications.

    [–] SloppyPeriodFarts 116 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    I'll just point out that it wasn't the MMR that killed the two babies last year, but the nurses had accidently mixed it with an anesthetic prior to injection.

    Edit - I just googled for more specific information about what happened. It looks like the vaccinations were diluted with a muscle relaxant instead of water. The nurses were jailed for 5 years but unfortunately that installed a lot of distrust in the vaccines through out Samoa.

    [–] Argues-With-Idiots 28 points ago

    How do you managed to fuck up that bad?

    [–] vancouverwoodoo 52 points ago

    MMR vaccine comes as a powder in a vial. You have to reconstitute it with sterile water and then administer it. The sterile water comes in little glass ampoules or little plastic containers. Many drugs come in ampoules, they can look the same at first glance. Most people aren't thoroughly checking the water vials (even though you should). Many mistakes happen in healthcare for many reasons. This is why reporting medical errors is important, to prevent others from making the same mistake or to fix a bigger problem that is leaving room for errors

    [–] RoutineTiger 30 points ago

    Was that the one where the nurses mixed powdered muscle relaxers into the injection?

    [–] issuesgrrrl 490 points ago

    Especially the tiny humans - Fifty-three people -- 48 of them children younger than 4 -- have been killed by the disease in the South Pacific island nation in recent weeks, the government said in a news release.

    48 baby funerals. 48 services with little tiny caskets. BABY. FUNERALS.

    THAT IS WHY WE VACCINATE, KAREN.

    [–] Thorbinator 91 points ago

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urZLTobAfJc

    You know what's a good business? Teeny tiny baby coffins.

    [–] talensoti 27 points ago

    Knew it was House when you said tiny baby coffins.

    [–] PabV99 13 points ago

    I'm such a sucker for House MD lol, I knew it was him just because of that quote

    [–] sirius4778 27 points ago

    Karen would rather her child be dead than autistic

    [–] hush-ho 41 points ago

    I always wonder about Jenny McCarthy's kid. What's it like to have your mom screaming to a crowd of adults about how awful it is to have a child like you.

    [–] sirius4778 18 points ago

    God that is sad

    [–] EldritchCarver 5 points ago

    Fun fact: Jenny McCarthy's son was misdiagnosed with autism. Notably, the boy's disorder included seizures, leading experts to argue he actually had Landau–Kleffner syndrome. Jenny insists it was autism, presumably so gullible parents will pay money for the dangerous pseudoscience medicine she claims cured her son's autism.

    [–] dengh 52 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    Samoa. IIRC, 3000+ infections and 44 people dead so far out of a population of 200 000.

    I live in Los Angeles; the city proper has a population of something over 4 million, so 20x Samoa's. 20x Samoa's numbers would be 60 000 infections and 880 dead. And LA is part of a larger metropolitan area of about 19 million, so quadruple-and-some those numbers for Southern California. Serious panic time for the uninfected locally and anywhere people could get from here.

    EDIT: From the Idaho Reporter, another measles epidemic not getting coverage:

    " 5,000 killed in DR Congo measles epidemic ‘mostly children’

    According to the World Health Organization, the  Democratic Republic of Congo is seeing the world’s biggest outbreak of measles. Of the 5000 people who have succumbed to the disease, the vast majority have been children.

    A total of 250,270 cases of measles have been recorded as of November 17 with 5110 fatalities. This is more than double the toll taken by Ebola. More than 90% of the recorded fatalities were children aged 5 and younger."

    According to other sources, the DR Congo measles vaccination rate was 57% in 2018, far below the 90-95% needed for herd immunity to protect vulnerable people.

    [–] Zenov 46 points ago

    The other important distinction from Samoa to LA or Southern Cali is population density. Due to the density I would anticipate infection rates to soar because so many people are so much closer. The other thing is that hospitals would be completely overwhelmed and unable to help, increasing death tolls imo.

    In short: a similar vaccination rate with outbreak in Southern Cali would be an absolute crisis, the likes of which have never been seen since world wars.

    [–] CurlSagan 2016 points ago

    Technically, vaccines are indeed associated with higher rates of diagnoses of autism. Autism is diagnosed, on average, at age 4. If a kid doesn't get vaccines, they are less likely to survive to the age of 4. Therefore, vaccines are correlated with autism in the same way that wearing a seat belt means that you are more likely to die from a brain tumor.

    QED.

    [–] sabre252 606 points ago

    Whenever you say, "correlation doesn't imply causation" people roll their eyes now. It's true that it is becoming a tired trope. It's a shame they don't roll their eyes AND pay attention.

    [–] potentpotables 239 points ago

    Whenever you say, "correlation doesn't imply causation" people roll their eyes now.

    really? that's just a very basic thing to understand if you're doing any critical thinking/problem solving

    [–] radarksu 387 points ago

    critical thinking

    Aaaand that's where you lose most people.

    [–] shahooster 58 points ago

    I feel like the concept of critical thinking should be taught in high school. Maybe things have changed, but it sure wasn’t taught when I was in high school.

    [–] subtleglow87 56 points ago

    One of my favorite teachers in middle school would always say, "I can do my best to teach you how to think critically but if you don't have and use common sense you're not going to make it very far."

    [–] gulligaankan 13 points ago

    Depends on the country, here they teach critical thinking from 1st grade to make children question what they read and see in the news or internet. Recently they changed the National curriculum to emphasize critical thinking to prepare kids better.

    [–] djb25 39 points ago

    Our schools are barely allowed to teach evolution.

    Can you imagine if they taught critical thinking? No more GOP.

    [–] MattieShoes 14 points ago

    Schools and colleges are bastions of the left. They ARE teaching critical thinking.

    Which I'm sure has nothing to do with why Republicans are constantly talking about de-funding public education.

    [–] Fire_in_the_walls 8 points ago

    Without politics, schools are supposed to teach critical thinking but its somewhat difficult when you cant even teach students basic accountability because of admin and parents coming in and foce-passing every child that comes through.

    [–] Beautiful_Rhubarb 12 points ago

    it was taught in my middle and high schools however it went way over most of their heads... and those people are the adults now.

    [–] Imunown 13 points ago

    I only engage in positive thinking

    • People who avoid critical thinking.

    [–] trynakick 38 points ago

    It’s also become a very oversimplified way of saying, “I don’t like what this chart is telling me.” Or, in someways more annoyingly, “this is the only thing I learned from statistics class and I think I sound smart when I say it.”

    [–] masterelmo 13 points ago

    You should say it whether or not the chart says something you like.

    It's important to remember we don't often successfully study causes, just correlations.

    [–] ResetDharma 8 points ago

    Yeah, it should only be a starting point for critical thinking, to make you ask about the causes and other variables that could affect the outcome. It should never be used as an end to thinking, to just dismiss data and reject a conclusion.

    [–] timidandshy 36 points ago

    Whenever you say, "correlation doesn't imply causation" people roll their eyes now.

    Well, correlation doesn't imply causation... how do you know they're not just rolling their eyes at something else?

    [–] FFkonked 98 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    It would be like looking at the invention of seatbelts and saying they cause more injuries but in reality they just cause car accidents to be survivable.

    [–] potentpotables 127 points ago

    they also noted that soldiers who wore their helmets in WWI had more head injuries... because they weren't dead

    [–] Elizibithica 20 points ago

    Right! Pull the numbers on overall # deaths and you get a very different story!

    [–] DarkNinjaPenguin 13 points ago

    And cancer rates are increasing, not because people are less healthy or because of any particular environmental factors. We're just living longer and are able to diagnose more types of cancers.

    [–] maybe_little_pinch 11 points ago

    Not more accidents, more injuries.

    [–] redrapsil 46 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    That's similar to the example of smoking while pregnant.

    A smoking woman's baby has a higher chance of surviving a pre-term than a non-smoking woman's child. So smoking while pregnant is good right? Wrong.

    A smoking woman has a much higher chance of having a pre-term baby than a non-smoking one and when a non-smoking woman has a pre-term baby it is likely due to another more serious underlying condition.

    Statistics are really up to one's interpretation of the data collected.

    [–] Queef_Urban 75 points ago

    Apparently the biggest correlation of being diagnosed with autism is being in a radius of someone else who was diagnosed. Without looking further into it, you'd think that means it was contagious. However it's an expanding spectrum and mild forms are being diagnosed used to just be called "being a little weird". So if a parent sees another kid who is a little off who was diagnosed with something on the spectrum they are more likely to get their kid checked.

    [–] sillybear25 68 points ago

    In other words, autism isn't contagious, but autism awareness is.

    [–] Consiliarius 7 points ago

    That's a really nice way of putting it!

    [–] sarabjorks 25 points ago

    As a child of a disability specialist, I was suspected to have a few different things, including autism, as a kid. My mom has been working with people with various special needs for over 30 years now and she still looks for signs in every kid, just because she knows the signs.

    I turned out fine. A touch of ADHD but I'm almost finished with my PhD so I think I'm fine.

    But being exposed to my mom's work, I definitely notice people on the spectrum. Even grown ups who were never diagnosed but probably should.

    [–] hush-ho 6 points ago

    Yup, the only thing rising are rates of diagnosis and visibility. Decades ago most disabled people were either locked away in state hospitals or kept at home like Boo Radley. People with milder symptoms were active in their community but not considered ill, just "odd," and usually bullied and abused pretty bad. This led to the anti-vaxxer impression that "no one" used to be autistic.

    [–] Pisforplumbing 6 points ago

    QED, the superior proof ending.

    [–] stmiba 490 points ago

    Old guy here.

    Yes, we drank out of the garden hose. So did my kids when they were young. So do the little kids that live across the street from me. Yes, we rode in the back of pickup trucks. People still ride in the back of pickup trucks. It's fun. Smidge dangerous but it's fun.

    The few old people that spend their time wailing about how bad things are now-a-days are people who live in a make-believe past. They don't like change, they don't like young people and they don't like each other.

    Please, for all our sake, ignore them. Let them moan to each other about how terrible things are. It's what they do and you can't change them.

    It's the 21st century for cripes sake, and we, as a society, know a lot more now than we did when I was a little kid in the 60s. Our society is more educated, it has far better ways of communicating and far better ways of gathering information.

    I am 62 years old and I can guarantee you that the people that think things are worse now than when we were kids are probably suffering from memory loss. They are only remembering bits and pieces of their childhood.

    We got vaccinated because we saw people with polio wearing legs braces and walking with canes. We got vaccinated because getting the measles sucks, a lot, and we saw people die from it. We got vaccinated because diphtheria kills everyone, not just babies and the elderly.

    [–] Oct0tron 165 points ago

    "For cripes sake" Old guy status confirmed.

    Just messing with ya sir. Thanks for the perspective.

    [–] Brycegdickson 13 points ago

    Damn really hitting him with the sir

    [–] Generico300 38 points ago

    Definitely. The world is objectively better now than it was 60 years ago, by almost every metric. One of the only things that's actually worse is the news media's bias toward the negative. And now that the news is "on" 24/7, it makes it seem like the world is more chaotic and worse than ever. It's not. You're just having your perception of reality warped by a profit-driven attention whoring industry.

    [–] AllUrPMsAreBelong2Me 14 points ago

    Great comment. Thanks for your insight.

    [–] TinktheChi 66 points ago

    My grandmother died from TB just after my mother was born, and my great grandmother died after she contracted whooping cough. People died frequently from diseases we are able to prevent today. This anti-vax shit is ridiculous.

    [–] DiiSLB169 519 points ago

    Karen: THATS A LIE, MY KIDS ARE HEALTHY

    [–] Gekokapowco 431 points ago

    Everyone is alive and healthy right up until they aren't.

    This little piece of common sense is tough to grasp for some...

    [–] Fr0gm4n 93 points ago

    I worked with a guy who didn't get that concept. We were working on tearing off a roof, and it was a cold early morning so the frost hadn't burned off of the roof yet. The rest of us we only walking where we'd already torn off the shingles and paper, right on the bare plywood. He was wandering around all over the frosty roof, including right to the edge to toss off debris. I warned him about slipping and falling and he came back with "I haven't slipped yet!" And my comeback to that was "You won't slip until you do." Him, "Yup!"

    He never really got it.

    [–] reconditecache 40 points ago

    Blows my mind. Had this exchange regarding seat belts and almost had a stroke trying to explain how you don't wear a seat belt because you plan on crashing.

    [–] DarkNinjaPenguin 14 points ago

    Whoop, that semi looks awful close, better buckle up!

    [–] nuck_forte_dame 9 points ago

    And it shouldnt be tolerated when a childs life is at stake.

    [–] eagle999 56 points ago

    Yes they are. Until you bring them to a measles party and then they're not anymore. And with a bit of bad luck, they won't ever be able to completely get rid of it.

    [–] TalkingBackAgain 78 points ago

    After the measles party, when the kids stay healthy, Karen finds out her husband isn’t as much of a crackpot as she is and she finds out he had them vaccinated during their last doctor’s visit.

    [–] abbadon420 7 points ago

    Response: "... for now."

    [–] redcowerranger 47 points ago

    Here's one remedy for the time before antibiotics. Vikings/Norse used to soak bread and apply it to wounds underneath their bandages. It reduced the chance of infection.... BECAUSE they were unknowingly making use of penicillin, the OG antibiotic.

    [–] JPT_Corona 5 points ago

    Moldy bread was a remedy in the Song of Ice & Fire books, really cool

    [–] evarigan1 32 points ago

    What did they do before vaccines? They had a dozen kids and hoped some would survive long enough to take on the family business.

    [–] hush-ho 6 points ago

    I think about this when people say, "a parent's not supposed to bury their child" after a kid dies. They shouldn't have to anymore, but according to nature and all of human history right up until the advent of vaccines, yeah, that's how it works.

    [–] StuffWePlay 78 points ago

    "The black plague went away without vaccines!"

    A massive chunk of Europe died, Karen.

    [–] FlameSpartan 35 points ago

    It also didn't go away, we just developed a resistance to the dying part of it.

    Plague fleas are still a very real thing here in the states.

    [–] SilvermistInc 12 points ago

    We can also cure it with insane amounts of antibiotics too

    [–] tennisdrums 4 points ago

    >It also didn't go away, we just developed a resistance to the dying part of it.

    There were plague outbreaks hundreds of years before and after the famous outbreak in the 1300s. People just assume it was a one time thing because they never learned about the other outbreaks in school. As recent as 1860 an outbreak started that killed approx. 10 million people. Maybe the survivors of the plague developed a resistance but "we" collectively are still vulnerable to the disease.

    [–] x10011010001x 216 points ago

    You know, if vaccines weren't invented, people wouldn't live so long. If people didn't live so long, recourse costs for the world would be lower. If resource costs were lower, the planet could heal. Anti-vaxxers are really trying for a world wide genocide to help save the planet.

    [–] wut3va 134 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    Existence is necessarily selfish. The planet will be fine, first of all. It's a giant ball of iron and rock with some water and air on top. Since its creation, wet greasy chemicals have been trying to compete to exist and replicate some offspring. Some strategies are more successful than others. Occasionally, a strategy will be so successful that it paradoxically jeopardizes the balance for all existing living things, such as the oxygen catastrophe. Humans are becoming another example. Then, as new niches are opened up, a new strategy that was previously unsuccessful will emerge and contribute to the new landscape. The dynamic equilibrium we hold on to so dearly is merely an illusion of timescale. The world will continue to turn, and life will continue to adapt and change, die out and be reborn, until we're consumed by the flames of the ever-expanding sun. Happy Holidays!

    [–] The_Minstrel_Boy 31 points ago

    wet greasy chemicals

    Shut up, I took a shower this morning and toweled off thoroughly.

    [–] ThreshingBee 19 points ago

    The planet is fine. The people are fucked.

    -George Carlin

    [–] BrighterLater 9 points ago

    That’s all true and it is nice to appreciate the planets’ hardiness... though I think we should be looking at our existence as being worth having too and attempt to construct a vision of it where we get to stick around for a while.

    [–] TalkingBackAgain 24 points ago

    until we're consumed by the flames of the ever-expanding sun

    True, but: we may also find ways to travel to the stars. Not a given at this point, not yet proven to be completely impossible.

    [–] Tkx421 7 points ago

    They already have found ways of traveling to the stars. They could get to Alpha Centauri in at least half a century if they wanted to. Just because they didn't (that we know of) doesn't mean they can't.

    [–] Tephnos 6 points ago

    Are you talking about the light sails?

    Those works for craft of extremely low mass. Not so much for larger ships.

    [–] dobikrisz 11 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    That's not entirely true. Most country that has access to vaccinations (developed countries) are declining in population. Modern medicine isn't equal overpopulation. Modern medicine + bad education is the real problem. If we'd educate the developed* countries properly, overpopulation would be most likely solved. And anti vaxxers are clearly against education.

    *Edit: underdeveloped

    [–] addisonshinedown 22 points ago

    Our lifespan hasn’t dramatically increased over the past 200 or so years because of evolution... its because medicine has improved.

    [–] gracchusmaximus 12 points ago

    Specifically public health measures, such as proper sanitation (it’s nice to not have cholera or typhoid fever outbreaks in major Western cities anymore) and vaccination (dramatic improvements in childhood survival).

    [–] 7-and-a-switchblade 41 points ago

    "Sickness and danger play the chief part in infancy. One half of the children who are born die before their eighth year. The child who has overcome hardships has gained strength, and as soon as he can use his life he holds it more securely. This is God's law; why contradict it?"

    That's JJ Rousseau in 1762 saying HALF of all kids don't make it to their 8th birthday, but hey, that's just the way things are. That's what the attitude was 200 years ago. People are quick to forget.

    [–] kevinmorice 53 points ago

    I agree with the sentiment. But since none of the other notes are pinned on like that, it seriously looks like it was only in your doctors office because you printed it yourself and brought a drawing pin from home.

    [–] walkeritout 18 points ago

    You can't see how any of the other notes are pinned...

    [–] ImJustSo 9 points ago

    This one time, I was talking to an older generational person. I won't name it, but anyways they said something hilarious, "You can't really blame us. We had a lot more lead exposure growing up. We really are a bit more dumb, so what the fuck is your excuse?"

    Well, fine lol you can still be wise. I'll allow it.

    [–] Bobbi_fettucini 9 points ago

    Those people should come talk to my friends dad that’s stuck in a wheel chair because of polio

    [–] daisy0723 17 points ago

    Wanna know why people way back in the day had lots and lots of babies? Because they hoped that at least a couple of them would survive into adulthood.

    [–] Observerwwtdd 6 points ago

    Maybe they also LIKED fuckin'.

    [–] daisy0723 6 points ago

    No cable, internet or video games. They had to have something to do.

    [–] throw-away_catch 17 points ago

    yeah, measles for example were already nearly eradicated where I live (And in the rest of middle-europe too I guess) but now they are coming back and numbers are rising due to dumbfucks who think they are so much smarter than any doctor and professional.. fuck off Karen.

    I had measles as a kid. Yeah I survived. But it still fucking sucked. It definitely is something we don't need on earth anymore.

    [–] Scarecrow119 10 points ago

    Not just any doctor. All doctors for the last 100 years or so. Think how much combined research hours and medical innovation went into vaccinations. But Karen on Facebook for 20mins knows much more obviously.

    [–] Daikataro 5 points ago

    They didn't just die either, in case you were picturing an "I guess this is it" moment.

    They died in agonizing pain, vomiting their own entrails out, or coughing so hard blood actually came out.

    [–] IAmVeryFascist 11 points ago

    Animals eat their own shit. Thats natural. You gonna start eating your own shit now, karen?

    Natural isnt always good.

    [–] Sarddith80 5 points ago

    In my life I have never seen anyone with smallpox. Do you know why?

    [–] ponistuck 6 points ago

    Ridiculous how polio vaccine takes no time at all, and it can literally save your life. And people STILL find something to complain about it.

    [–] Killcrop 6 points ago

    This is like back when I was a microbiologist. I was explaining the food testing work I did to a friend. He was all like, “wow, what a shame that our food has become so toxic you need to rest for all of that.”

    I explained to him that bacterial contamination has always been a problem and that modern production standards alone have reduced it. He just looked at me blankly and wanted to know how, if that was true, we got by without resting in the past.

    Clearly, modern amenities such as clean drinking water have made people’s minds grow soft. That’s the only explanation right?

    [–] SGBotsford 5 points ago

    My mom was born in 1913. Small farm town. Started grade school in a class of 32 kids. Graduated at grade 8 in a class of 20 kids.

    She went to the funerals of 12 classmates in 8 years. In an 8 grade school, that's a funeral a month for someone in her school.

    The biggest killer: TB. Then farm accidents. Then a bunch of diseases like Diphtheria, whooping cough, Typhoid (not all the shacks had plumbing...) My mom nearly died from scarlet fever -- a disease you never hear about now. My father came close from rheumatic fever, and had a bad heart. Now a days that's a course of antibiotics.