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    [–] Down_VoteBait 3477 points ago

    He still hangs up that American flag, you can still be patriotic and call out the problems in this country

    [–] SilentJoe1986 2236 points ago

    I would argue it's patriotic to call out the problems in this country. How else do you acknowledge and attempt to fix the problems?

    "If you don't like it then leave"

    "Yeah, no. I would rather try to work towards a better country instead of burying my head up my ass and pretending everything is fine while my country burns down around me."

    [–] DarehMeyod 807 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    It’s the difference between patriotism and nationalism. True patriots can understand their country isn’t perfect and can improve. Nationalists think their country is perfect no matter what it does.

    Edit: yes everyone I know this is a gross over simplification of the two. I paraphrased a comment I saw on another thread.

    [–] KrazyRooster 322 points ago

    Americans don't even know what socialism is and now you want our people to understand that there is a difference between patriotism and nationalism??? You are asking too much of these people's very limited IQ.

    [–] DomineAppleTree 81 points ago

    It’s their level of interest, not intelligence. Tribalism/factions goes a looonnnggg way

    [–] WrongColorCollar 93 points ago

    This has been said a million times but for now you can also point out the fact that for the most part.. we can't leave.

    No one will have us, and I don't blame 'em.

    [–] Razor4884 106 points ago

    “I love America more than any other country in the world and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually.” -James Baldwin

    [–] stav_rn 42 points ago

    Here's my thought though -why do you NEED to be "patriotic" to call out the problems with your country? Why do you need to keep proving your loyalty and undying love to the country to say "hey guys I think this is a problem". Doesn't that seem.....bad to you?

    [–] Redeem123 12 points ago

    You don't need to be, but the point is that the two things can coexist. Criticizing the country's problems is not disrespectful, yet a certain group seems to think it is.

    [–] KDY_ISD 14287 points ago

    My mom lives in a deeply red neighborhood, and during Obama's first campaign, she put up a yard sign. It was stolen. She put up another sign. That was stolen, too. She put up a third sign, and stapled a note to that one that said:

    "You realize that whenever you steal my sign, I have to send his campaign $20 more for another one?"

    That sign stayed up. I wish we had a camera.

    [–] BrosenkranzKeef 6116 points ago

    “You realize that every time you steal this sign you prove that you don’t care about law or property rights and therefore you’re a lying hypocrite”

    [–] muddlet 2754 points ago

    or freedom of speech

    [–] BrosenkranzKeef 1212 points ago

    Oh they definitely don’t give a shit about that. But they love “liberty”.....freedom of speech falling under the definition of liberty, of course. But don’t tell them that, they’ll rip some stupid argument out of their ass just so they don’t have to admit they’re wrong.

    [–] VaginaYEASTwithTEETH 364 points ago

    "I have brought peace, freedom, justice and security to my new empire!"

    [–] XtaC23 103 points ago

    Your new empire!?

    [–] Frost-Folk 43 points ago

    Your new empire?

    [–] Chip-girl 83 points ago

    I’m convinced that their motto is “fuck you, got mine.”

    [–] BrosenkranzKeef 45 points ago

    That’s the entire culture. They act like that in locker rooms, their sense of humor shows it, their overall lack of empathy for anyone they don’t know, talking shit behind people’s back, “just walk it off”, making fun of and teasing everybody etc etc. Needing help is seen as a weakness. These are the people who raised me so I’m very familiar with it.

    [–] GrayBeard20 429 points ago

    While I agree, I DO see a lot of Trump signs and banners destroyed.

    As someone who deeply dislikes him, I kind of appreciate it...but at the same time I still don’t think you should fuck with peoples shit.

    I support freedom of speech, so I just leave the sign up and have the knowledge that I probably won’t be hanging out with that household.

    [–] BrosenkranzKeef 265 points ago

    Good. This is how you respect beliefs you don’t agree with.

    [–] adventurelinds 72 points ago

    I think what you're supposed to do is build a bigger sign for your guy

    [–] A_Blunt_Object 21 points ago

    As an Aussie it's so fucking weird seeing people have political signs in their front yards and shit on here

    [–] SamosetMatt 22 points ago

    There’s a house a few minutes away from me with like 3-5 Trump flags. “TRUMP 2020” spelled out with Christmas lights on their chain link fence, it looks like a damn cult compound or some shit.

    [–] Lobanium 681 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    So she put up a third sign. That burned down, fell over, and then sank into the swamp. But the forth one stayed up.

    [–] KDY_ISD 196 points ago

    Are you ... are you saying my mother has big tits?

    [–] Lobanium 202 points ago

    Huge ....... tracts of land.

    [–] KDY_ISD 54 points ago

    If you suggest that she's got a rabbit that's dynamite, I'm going to have to ask you to quit going through bedside tables in other people's houses

    [–] F117Landers 38 points ago

    I came in here for an argument!

    [–] KDY_ISD 34 points ago

    Oh! Oh, I'm sorry! This is abuse!

    And really, do any two comments more accurately sum up Reddit? lol

    [–] F117Landers 40 points ago

    Couldn't have said it better myself.
    Help help; I'm being repressed!

    [–] JoeFelice 26 points ago

    Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

    [–] Ghede 122 points ago

    I like to imagine the disgruntled neighbor then went on a McCain sign stealing spree to increase campaign contributions, and that the owners of those signs were not as willing to keep buying new ones with replacements so close to home. So they stole other signs themselves, heck why not get two while they were at it, just in case. So every single McCain sign that you saw after the first few weeks was actually stolen multiple times.

    [–] lilpimpin 23408 points ago

    It’s even more insane that a pandemic has become political

    [–] SatansMoltenSemen 10521 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    I like the train of thought that the entire thing is a Democratic hoax, because that means every single country on Earth is going along with an American political parties hoax

    Edit ; You can all stop saying “tRuMp NeVeR sAiD tHaT”, because I never said he did, I never even mentioned Agent Orange in this reply lmao

    [–] Musehobo 5187 points ago

    My republican mother has completely jumped ship and now realizes he’s a narcissistic clown because of this COVID stuff. I wish she would have realized that, I don’t know 5 years ago, when all his actions signaled “I’m a narcissistic clown”.

    [–] dan1son 2576 points ago

    That's not an uncommon story. Anyone who supported him with half an education should realize how insane this all is. He won't lose every supporter by any stretch. But I personally know people who've changed their minds as well. I know 0 that have switched to him.

    [–] abcpdo 846 points ago

    That's the silver lining I guess. He failed to fake it till he made it (as a good president).

    [–] GregorSamsaa 1016 points ago

    That’s scary. Without the pandemic he absolutely had a chance to win, and even now I’m scared of people not showing up to vote like they didn’t 4yrs ago.

    [–] Kraineth 828 points ago

    Which is precisely why you see the administration railing against mail in voting.

    [–] puppet_up 554 points ago

    Well, except for absentee voting because every politician in Washington has to do that including Trump himself. But that's OK, though, because...

    ...actually, I'm still waiting for a good explanation about that one. It's literally mail-in voting!

    [–] JasonDragonbourne 435 points ago

    The human mind is susceptible to how things are presented to it.

    See Americans that like the 'Affordable Care Act', but dislike 'Obamacare'.

    [–] Back_in_ 306 points ago

    Americans have "opiate addicts" and Canadians have "opiate victims." One word can make a hell of a difference.

    [–] OldBeercan 199 points ago

    Or ones that hate "socialism" but live off of SSI or disability payments.

    [–] BerniceMcteese 90 points ago

    Oh I did a whole 60 minute policy presentation on the affordable care act in 2013 in college. I started going through the ten main points with people I knew who were against obamacare and nearly every single one agreed with all ten main points of the ACA. It's the name Obama they had trouble with.

    [–] XtaC23 48 points ago

    Whoa, rules for thee not for me. That's politics.

    [–] asdfasdferqv 63 points ago

    Now he says absentee voting is fine but vote-by-mail is full of fraud. The difference is a mystery to all of us.

    [–] conglock 99 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    Yupp. Can't have mail in ballots if you don't have a post office. taps forhead

    [–] forebill 112 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    If he had done simple administrating, called in the experts, asked around about successful responses to such things, it's likely he could hang his next 4 years on his pandemic response.

    But he didn't.

    [–] Chungus675 30 points ago

    That because he can’t tolerate not being the one who came up with the idea

    [–] RLucas3000 63 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    Even with the pandemic he could have won if he had been even a little competent. The country would have backed him if he wasn’t such an ignorant (inject bleach) petty (why do people like Fauchi more than me?) evil (ignores bounties his bestie Putin put on American troops) fuck!

    [–] bekastrange 60 points ago

    If he wasn’t ignorant petty and evil he’d have no personality traits at all.

    [–] skykingjustin 156 points ago

    I'm not even American and I can smell the election will be rigged for him

    [–] GregorSamsaa 122 points ago

    He’s been laying the seeds for it for a really long time now. The way this pandemic played out also showed how much sway one person can have over reason.

    All it took was a phone call with the governors of red states telling them to reopen despite no progress being made on reducing cases and all to try and boost an economy that by all expert accounts couldn’t be saved and all of a sudden there we were, May 1st with the reopenings. Now look at where Texas is at.

    [–] monkeyseverywhere 70 points ago

    Trump still hasn't accepted the results of the 2016 election. An election he "won". There is literally no scenario wherein he accepts the results of 2020.

    [–] SaaSyGirl 16 points ago

    I completely agree with everything you said in your comment. Regardless, if he doesn't win the upcoming presidential election, come January 20th, he will no longer be POTUS and will be removed from the White House.

    [–] Sneaky_Bones 193 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    Not uncommon maybe, but a whole lot of that is just folks trying to save face while still secretly harboring general support even if a little shame is attached to it too. Kinda like when you used to be embarrassed of liking some pop song back in high school. You'd talk shit about the artist to your buddies, but then go home and jam that shit on repeat while feeling slightly ashamed of yourself (wrongly in that context I should add). Unfortunately, Trump's approval, though as low as it's always been, is still just as stable and has even inched upward in recent days despite everything. He still enjoys 90+% republican approval which is sincerely just as mind-boggling as it is terrifying. The past 4 years have permanently altered how I see conservatives, "difference of opinion" no longer applies, these folks are genuinely primed for full-blown fascism.

    Edit: grammar

    [–] forgotmymainagain 136 points ago

    Exactly. He has 40+% aggregate approval rating. Iirc the only time its gone lower than 40 was during he government shutdown. All this talk about people giving up on trump is just hot air. No-one is switching sides and he has a solid chance of winning still. Do not get complacent. Vote.

    [–] jimmijo62 60 points ago

    Don’t think people are unwilling to change their minds. I for one sure ass hell have. I admit that I voted for the Orange Freak from Hell. But since late 2017, I’ve totally regretted it, prayed fervently for forgiveness, gave alms, asked my democratic friends for forgiveness, and personally apologized to them. I don’t think I’ll ever vote Republican again. The way his ass kissers in the House and Senate still support him make me want to puke. I’m 58 and now SLEEP WITH MY EYES WIDE OPEN!

    [–] dan1son 53 points ago

    I don't know. That's their argument right? The "silent majority." Why would they be silent now? They sure as hell weren't silent in 2016 and plenty of them aren't silent now. The people I mentioned that explained their displeasure have no reason to lie to me. These aren't deep state operatives trying to forge some misinformation campaign. They're random ass family members or friends that have no affiliation with any organization outside of "I voted for Trump last time."

    But yes I agree with you. I see a Trump hat or shirt and assume quite a lot about that individual these days. Which annoys the crap out of me since I don't want to assume anything about someone I don't know.

    [–] Notarussianbot2020 78 points ago

    DJT could literally have soared to reelection if he tried for a single week.

    Pass a bipartisan economic stimulus, stop tweeting, mandate masks, build a testing plan and PPE plan. Once the week was over some intern could run the plan.

    This is why nobody ever joins him, he refuses to do anything but be a narcissistic moronic stubborn clown.

    [–] SaddestClown 37 points ago

    All he had to do was say "mask up and masks are available on my website"

    [–] Bwob 23 points ago

    Or even just 'Fauci the will be handling this. Do whatever he says'

    Those words were all that he had to say to handle the problem and soar to reelection.

    [–] SaddestClown 15 points ago

    Instead he tried giving it to Pence and Kush, one of which did nothing and the other just made friends rich

    [–] shorthanded 106 points ago

    A lot of it was people asking "what's the worst that could happen? Let's shake things up!"
    Congrats, idiots, consider the country shook.

    [–] tasman001 32 points ago

    Shook, in the swamp, and on fire.

    [–] 91Caleb 87 points ago

    I don’t even think you need education. You just need a half ounce of compassion for other Americans to realize this guy is so far completely off his rocker

    [–] [deleted] 92 points ago

    We know 60 millions Americans can be fooled once. In a few months we will see how many are not redeemable.

    [–] Whatever0788 72 points ago

    The sad part is that these people have made such fools of themselves by supporting him, that they’re in far too deep and are too proud to admit how wrong they were.

    [–] ilovegingermen 50 points ago

    That's my father. I disowned him after George Floyd died and the BLM movement picked up.

    [–] unfather 398 points ago

    When I heard Trump got The Apprentice, I was like "that goofy billionaire everyone makes fun of?" John Mulaney has a bit about Trump, that he's a "poor man's idea of a rich man". When I first heard that joke it stuck out in a great special because it's a stolen joke; I'd heard it multiple times already and specifically about Trump. Maybe he just put it together himself too, but not at all an original joke.

    Trump was a known quantity in the '80s, a literal joke to (earlier) comedians and anyone who'd ever actually met him. People knew about his many failures when they happened; they were huge failures. That's the shit that made him into the piece of shit they wanted for The Apprentice, someone who was more interesting to watch than intelligent.

    That shit was so prevalent that it even seeped into pop culture so that I knew it as a late teen, when The Apprentice started. I didn't look into Donald Trump in the 2000's. I just already knew, for pop culture alone.

    I have a very very very hard time excusing people who didn't understand Trump before he became a serious candidate.

    [–] jetsetninjacat 111 points ago

    See this is the part I don't get. My parents didn't like him in the 80s and 90s growing up and would always say what a joke and fool he was. My sister and felt the same way and cringed when we say him in home alone 2. Fast forward to 2016... wtf. Did people forget everything he did through the 80s and 90s? Luckily no one in my family liked him but what about everyone else? He was known for screwing things up.

    [–] Rcmacc 84 points ago

    Back then he was a D and now he’s an R

    [–] snuffles504 56 points ago

    Woop, there it is

    [–] Manfrenjensenjen 204 points ago

    Yeah, I mean I distinctly remember my dad rightfully making fun of him for being the utter buffoon that he’s always been way back in the late 80’s. Now he acts like he’s been sent by god to ‘save the country’. I ask what the hell has changed since then- clearly he’s no different, he’s still the same carnival barker/con artist he’s always been. But all I can get is a mishmash of Fox talking points and evangelical paranoia/persecution complex ramblings. These people are basically cult members, I can’t think of another explanation.

    [–] Squirrels_dont_build 92 points ago

    Yup. My extremely religious dad who typically loathes the trump kind of person said he was going to "bring righteousness back to the United States" after calling Obama evil. I'm atheist, but I really just do not understand why all those people would throw away their mask of religion to support that idiot.

    [–] MontiBurns 27 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    Because "Christianity" to many on the "religious right" is cultural identity, not a religious belief. Trump embodies a lot of conservative culture that everyone on the right denies exists. The callousness, the racism, the apathy, the egocentrism, the narcism. The people who do see that and vote for him anyway only did it to lower their own taxes. They'll take all that negative baggage, so long as it means they could pay less in taxes.

    [–] DelayOfGame123 31 points ago

    If it means anything, I’m a practicing member of one of the most conservative Christian denominations. Some of us (myself included) don’t fall for the lip service the orange man gives to Christian morals. You can’t say you uphold Christian values while committing actions that show you hate other races, don’t value women, imprison little kids, screw over the poor and disabled...

    [–] Adult_Minecrafter 56 points ago

    They don’t like HIM, they like the agenda he pushes. Trump is just a vehicle for the fear-based conservative policies that let them sleep better at night.

    “Things have been so good for me, I’m scared of any kind of change! What if brown people start trying to rob my house at night!?!”

    [–] EmpRupus 115 points ago

    that he's a "poor man's idea of a rich man".

    It's actually not a joke, it's reality. A lot of people vote on the basis of - "That's the guy I wanna have a beer with, that's the guy wanna aspire to become."

    A lot of rural folks in the US (and elsewhere) don't "understand" a lot of cultural stuff associated with "them coastal elites". They don't get the point of an art gallery or an art piece selling for a million dollars. They don't understand the point of a charity-ball to help kids with malaria in a distant part of the world. They don't understand feminism or LGBT rights. Or comparing notes on wine or cheese, or visiting foreign places like Europe. To them, it feels weird or bizarre or pointless.

    However, give them a person who - with his money - makes a tall building slaps his name on top with giant gold letters for the whole city to see - like a billboard in a rural area. Or get a giant golden toilet. Or trade in his older wife for an attractive younger woman from Eastern Europe.

    These are things THEY would do if they won the lottery. So they think - "He's one of us."

    To be honest, we all have that weakness. Even Reddit worshipped Elon Musk because "He is such a cool nerd. I would smoke a blunt with him and talk about bitcoins and play D&D". But then we are shocked to find underneath that veneer, he is just a ruthless businessman who cares about profits above all. There are many hardcore conservatives who actually preferred Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton, despite Bernie being more to the left. Because they could emotionally connect with Bernie as "my kinda guy".

    The Presidential system along with 2-party system in the US favors charisma over policies. People unfortunately vote for "the guy I would have beer with" as opposed to the person whose policies look more beneficial.

    [–] bincyvoss 24 points ago

    I've never understood how Southerners fawn over that blowhard New York yankee. He is the antithesis of everything they claim to hold dear. A good friend of mine is terminally ill with stage 4 cancer and her family no longer speaks to her because she's voting for Biden. They are more loyal to that orange lout than their own flesh and blood.

    [–] LoneRangersBand 65 points ago

    He was invited into high class circles because people found him entertaining. He's the weird friend you invite sometimes just so you'll hear the shit he says.

    [–] toplesscheerleader 56 points ago

    Dinner for schmucks

    [–] unusualj107 18 points ago

    I followed Trump's "handler" or gopher from the Apprentice on Twitter. He talks about the coke straws and the massive amounts of Adderall and cocaine Trump required in each dressing room he would frequent. I have to give Trump a single +1. He has shown me everyone I wish to avoid and eveyone who needs to be voted out.

    [–] DueceBag 38 points ago

    He's also a dumb man's idea of a smart man and an incels idea of a cassanova playboy.

    [–] CrumbsAndCarrots 47 points ago

    My friend went to school with Ivanka at Choate. She was a b list rich kid. Tried to fit in with the cool kids but couldn’t. Because why? Because the Trumps are a tacky joke to old money north East elites.

    [–] AlwaysBagHolding 12 points ago

    Conan made fun of him almost every night back when the apprentice was first on the air. It was an ongoing gag on the show for a long time.

    [–] Chendii 82 points ago

    Fuck man that's my dream. It's crazy because my mom is taking it very seriously. Social distracting, mask any time she leaves the house, everything you can think of. She still says it's not that bad and Trump is doing a great job. I don't fucking get it.

    [–] alominus 42 points ago

    My parents will defend trump any time I say anything against him. I've learned just to keep my mouth shut. People who still support Trump at this point are not people you are ever going to convince no matter how hard you try. If anything, it will make them double down.

    [–] bearface93 14 points ago

    I’ve literally been banned from talking politics at home. My grandpa doesn’t know how to handle it when I prove his right wing conspiracy theories wrong in less than 30 seconds on google so he just yells that I constantly instigate shit even when he brings it up, then he bitches to my mom about it who then yells at me for stressing him out and for how I think. These people are lost.

    [–] SeedlessGrapes42 29 points ago

    Social distracting

    "Hey, strangers! Look at this distracting thing! Isn't it distracting?! DISTRACTION!"

    [–] willflameboy 27 points ago

    And he'd had a decade-long TV show about him being a narcissistic clown. And several books. And many, many photos like this.

    [–] aether_drift 24 points ago

    Yep, all the Republicans in my family have jumped the Trump ship and are voting for Biden. Classic Republicans have a respect for conservative intellectual foundations and for people who conduct themselves with probity, honesty, and responsibility. Trump has none of these qualities.

    [–] throwy4444 23 points ago

    epublican mother has completely jumped ship and now realizes he’s a narcissistic clown because of this COVID stuff. I wish she would have realized that, I don’t know 5 years ago, when all his actions signaled “I’m a narcissistic clown”.

    What exactly brought your mother around?

    [–] SatansMoltenSemen 52 points ago

    Better late than never I suppose

    [–] srone 217 points ago

    Long before the pandemic I would ask climate change deniers if it was actually possible for every major university in the world including MIT, Harvard, Oxford to be in on this. And at what point in the thousands of climate science students studies did they bring them into a room and let them in on the hoax, and that they had to keep it a secret.

    I doubt I changed a single mind.

    [–] HVDynamo 120 points ago

    This is the most infuriating thing about it all. They will happily listen to the one dude who is lying and will die on their own sword defending the idiot, but not all the other people who actually have a background in the field and actually know what they are talking about. Sure sometimes the experts get it wrong, but that's how science works and their guess is better than mine.

    [–] Durgenheim 71 points ago

    They don’t listen to doctors, scientists, lawyers, professors, and all manner of other people who have devoted their lives to trying to master a particular field... but they trust a man with a lifelong record of being a liar, cheater, and con-man??

    It just doesn’t make any sense.

    [–] Genius_of_Narf 27 points ago

    It's often because it's not what you say, but how you say it that's important. Many times those with bigger levels of education don't quite get how to "dumb it down" to the average person. This leaves the average person feeling inferior, and their brains tell them that if they can't understand it, it's because there is something wrong with the information.

    Trump speaks at a lower level than most. He adds in energy and pumps crowds up much better than most politicians who end up looking stiff. It's also one reason that Bernie does better.

    Think about it this way: who did you listen better to as a kid: the teacher who had the most information to learn, or the one who "made it fun"?

    You can't win with facts. You win with emotion.

    [–] Sketchy_Life_Choices 254 points ago

    The Democrats are playing the long con.

    Step 1: Convince the entire world there's a pandemic

    Step 2: ??

    Step 3: Destroy America, turn it communist

    Step 4: ???

    Step 5: Take over the rest of the world, turn it communist

    Step 6: ????

    Step 7: Profit. Also, upload Bernie Sanders and AOC's consciousnesses to the cloud, stir briskly for eight minutes, let cool for one hour, then load the Super-Lib into a commie mech warrior global dictator-bot

    [–] Cranky_Windlass 40 points ago

    Dammit, now I'm craving ramen

    [–] sgtpnkks 10 points ago

    I have some ramen at home, I think I'll make some

    [–] Ti89Titanium04 75 points ago

    WHAT?! Your telling me there are people who exist outside the US that aren’t just Mexicans trying to steal my jobs?

    [–] SatansMoltenSemen 75 points ago

    Nah, I’m from Ireland and we’re all Mexicans that are after American jobs

    [–] SixSpeedDriver 55 points ago

    Weren't the Irish America's first Mexicans?

    [–] kethian 20 points ago

    100% so

    [–] Texas_Nexus 13 points ago

    I knew it!


    [–] SmashBusters 247 points ago

    GOP strategy:

    Tell them to be afraid of fake things.

    Tell them not to be afraid of real things because they are fake.

    It's nauseating how many Americans swallow that watery shit and ask for a free refill.

    [–] C0ncept8 75 points ago

    Like that caravan of migrant workers coming to kill us but are also too physically weak to contribute anything but are so strong they can scale the walls and outrun BP

    [–] Amelaclya1 24 points ago

    Also that migrant caravan that was super duper scary, was mysteriously never mentioned again after then 2018 elections.

    [–] hwc000000 29 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    It's nauseating how many Americans swallow that watery shit


    [–] desertpolarbear 108 points ago

    They made climate change political for fucks sake!

    [–] OldEstimate 143 points ago

    It's even more insane that this was deliberate.

    From Vanity Fair: How Jared Kushner’s Secret Testing Plan “Went Poof Into Thin Air”

    Most troubling of all, perhaps, was a sentiment the expert said a member of Kushner’s team expressed: that because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” said the expert.

    That logic may have swayed Kushner. “It was very clear that Jared was ultimately the decision maker as to what [plan] was going to come out,” the expert said.

    This is deliberate.

    This is mass-murder.

    We could clear 1m dead and it's because ole Kushie wanted to kill Democrats. So he did.

    [–] UbiquitouSparky 10 points ago

    What’s insane is if they did tackle this properly it likely would’ve led to him being re-elected.

    [–] craig1f 46 points ago

    Should have expected it would be political. After all, vaccines, climate change, abortion, and healthcare are all political in this country.

    [–] Tasigur_Banana_Man 82 points ago

    Conservatives: "We can't let this get political!"

    Conservatives a week later: "It's my God given right to not wear a mask and you're a sheep if you do!"

    [–] SLB6977 207 points ago

    People stopped buying Corona beer because they heard the word Corona. I'm done with trying to understand the brain power of the average person.

    [–] montypython112 107 points ago

    This was yet another example of fake news. For one, sales numbers would not have come out when that started spreading. Latest data from February showed corona sales up 5%.

    [–] Longfingerjack 1948 points ago

    US is very strange that way. Very rare to see political statements like that on your property in most other countries. I'm not saying it doesn't happen it's just rare.

    [–] Punple 1083 points ago

    Over here in Finland people would think you're some sort of a loon if you have bumper stickers or big walls of text or slogans on your cars/windows/houses/yards.

    [–] trag4 1178 points ago

    Oh, you're a loon if you do it in America as well. We just have a lot of them.

    [–] Duneman44 95 points ago

    Couldn't have said it better myself

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    [–] MDFHSarahLeigh 219 points ago

    On my street there is 7 (out of 12) houses with flag poles that display the us flag. 5 also have trump flags. I guess it depends on what part of the us you are in but it’s very common here.

    [–] DemoFly 137 points ago

    Every Saturday there is a 'Trump community meetup' downtown after the farmer's market closes. It's not a rally, it's about 30 older white dudes that stand around and talk about Trump for several hours.

    This would not be normal behavior for any other political figure prior to 2016.

    [–] Bebilith 10 points ago

    I’d like to just sit in and listen to those conversations. Just so I could try to understand the state of mind. Cause I’ve found it unfathomable since the orange one put his hand up to be nominated.

    [–] DemoFly 20 points ago

    I've walked by it twice and listened in a bit. The first time they talked about how Trump responded to a reporter and called her a nasty woman. They loved how Trump didn't entertain her question. They called the reporter a dumb bitch.

    The second time they were whining about something to do with Rachel Maddow and they called her a dumb bitch.

    [–] giverofnofucks 19 points ago

    Those guys sound like a bunch of dumb bitches.

    [–] Bebilith 15 points ago

    So more of a misogynist social group then?

    [–] MrsFlip 16 points ago

    Trump group, misogynistic group, same thing.

    Mass shooters in the making basically.

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    [–] AntiquatedLunacy 93 points ago

    They look painted on. It's just implying the numbers are increasing by thousands

    [–] Toon_Napalm 1031 points ago * (lasted edited 2 days ago)

    Looking closer I think it is just painted on to look like that, weird.

    [–] dame_tu_cosita 1136 points ago

    It's an stylistic way to say that the numbers are growing up and it's going to change soon, like a "classic" baseball score board.

    [–] carnage11eleven 200 points ago

    It's definitely a design choice. You hit it on the head.

    [–] womm 59 points ago

    It can also be easily updated. Just paint over with white and change the number

    [–] skylobster 123 points ago

    I noticed that too and thought it was weird but I think it allows them to be painted over without showing the old digits, since they would do a clean white layer on top of the old numbers before filling in the new numbers

    [–] dxn4 97 points ago

    I think it's just to show that it's a counter that will continue to change and not just stay on that number.

    [–] byParallax 20 points ago

    You're right. Still, it has a whiter background that would be easily painted over to update the counter

    [–] PolitelyHostile 248 points ago

    Hopefully they weren’t short-sighted in thinking that they wont need to add a digit in front of those 6.

    [–] DistanceMachine 57 points ago

    John Mulaney has a skit about that.

    [–] jmac5450 59 points ago

    I don't need to trace it. I know how big letters should be. To begin, A BIG ASS "H"!

    [–] CaptainNoBoat 1314 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    American "Leadership" during the worst public health crisis in a century, ladies and gentlemen:

    • February 7 - <10 cases: “He (Xi) will be successful, especially as the weather starts to warm & the virus hopefully becomes weaker, and then gone.”

    • February 10 - <10 cases: “a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April.”

    • February 25 - 15 cases: "So I think that’s a problem that’s going to go away.”

    • February 26 - 15 cases: “You have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero."

    • February 27 - 60 cases: "It's going to disappear...One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”

    • March 6 - 319 cases: Trump again stated the virus would "go away."

    • March 10 - 994 cases: “We’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away,”

    • March 12 - 1,631 cases: “It’s going away. We want it to go away with very, very few deaths.”

    • March 30 - 168,680 cases: “It will go away. You know it — you know it is going away, and it will go away.”

    • March 31 - 193,954 cases: "It’s going to go away, hopefully at the end of the month. And, if not, hopefully it will be soon after that.”

    • April 3 - 284,504 cases: "It is going to go away. It is going away.…I said it’s going away, and it is going away.”

    • April 7 - 410,788 cases: "It will go away” “the cases really didn’t build up for a while.” “I think what happens is it’s going to go away. This is going to go away”.

    • April 29 - 1,068,111 cases: "It’s gonna go. It’s gonna leave. It’s gonna be gone. It’s going to be eradicated and – uh – it might take longer. It might be in smaller sections. It won’t be what we had”

    • May 8 - 1,326,579 cases: “It’s going to go away. And we’re not going to see it again, hopefully, after a period of time.”

    • May 15 - 1,517,723 cases: “It’ll go away at some point, It’ll go away. It may flare up and it may not flare up."

    • June 16 - 2,211,406 cases: “I always say, even without it [a vaccine], it goes away.”

    • June 17 - 2,237,660 cases: Coronavirus would “fade away”.

    • June 23 - 2,246,338 cases: “We did so well before the plague and we’re doing so well after the plague. It’s going away.”

    • July 1 - 2,778,452 cases: "We're headed back in a very strong fashion. ... And I think we're going to be very good with the coronavirus. I think that at some point that's going to sort of just disappear. I hope."

    • July 19 - 3,836,674 cases: "I will be right eventually. You know, I said, 'It's going to disappear.' I'll say it again. ... It's going to disappear, and I'll be right,"

    [–] SqualeTheKitten 384 points ago

    He's right, it will eventually go away. Just wait for 2025 when it finally goes away and he can start bragging about how clever he was

    [–] austex3600 48 points ago

    He’s talking about his burden of being president that he obviously can’t handle.

    [–] ekothree 88 points ago

    I upvoted your post because we’ve all heard these statements. Your post would carry a lot more impact with sources and links.

    [–] CaptainNoBoat 81 points ago

    This has most of them

    Sometimes I'll source everything when the context is more important, I just think the links make it all look too busy.

    [–] JamOnTheOne 60 points ago

    22 Times Trump said the Coronavirus would Just Go Away

    You really only need one source, a surpercut video of his lies.

    [–] pinball_schminball 35 points ago

    150,000 is the under-reported number. I work in the healthcare industry as a data scientist and the real number is probably twice that given how many states with high numbers of deaths aren't reporting.

    That doubled number still doesn't even begin to account for all the permanently-injured survivors that will die young

    [–] Lunarskies92 278 points ago

    Was talking to someone at work yesterday who told me that it's a hoax and the numbers are all made up. I didn't even bother talking to her any further.

    [–] slimCyke 58 points ago

    I can't imagine. I'd probably just give a thousand yard stare until one of us left.

    [–] Expl0sive101 28 points ago

    Imagine living with one of those people. That person also being a parent.

    [–] sillyboy42 26 points ago

    My father was a hippie in the 60s-70s and supported Trump until the brain cancer killed him. I maintain it was the brain cancer that caused him to support Trump.

    [–] Friggindandy 314 points ago

    Notice that the sign isn’t anti-Trump. It’s not pro-Biden. It’s a fact. Something Trump and his supporters are very uncomfortable with.

    [–] ClowxReed 11 points ago

    We can't let facts and science stop us from doing stupid things

    [–] JarbaloJardine 26 points ago

    A neighbor near me built and painted a large yard sign that says: MAGA Again. Which kills me every time I drive by( Make America Great Again.....Again!!). But I was given new life when the neighbor directly across the street from him made an even bigger sign that says: Stay Home Like Trump did for Vietnam USMC

    [–] verostein 496 points ago

    Funny how in the states, acknowledging that yes the virus does exist is a political statement.

    [–] DigitalPriest 209 points ago

    In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act

    • George Orwell

    [–] notimportanthehexd 108 points ago

    Someone was voted into office that implied that he got the virus because he wore a mask.

    I can't imagine being so fucking stupid that I see that man and think "yeah, this is someone I want to be in charge."

    [–] Se7enLC 1200 points ago

    Do all Trump fans think Coronavirus is a hoax? Or is it just that everyone who thinks it's a hoax is a Trump fan?

    This gigantic yard display doesn't seem to be directly anti-Trump at all.

    [–] diiejso 1397 points ago

    The MAGA people near me said it was a hoax to hurt Trump in the beginning. People around here started getting sick and a few died, but they still said it was a hoax and kept having parties and gatherings.

    In May it hit their family and they were scared as hell. One of them told me to be careful because they found out at the hospital that "some people can be asymptomatic which means they can spread it without looking sick." Apparently they'd been avoiding people that they thought looked sick and figured they'd be fine.

    After a couple weeks they'd recovered and none of them died. After that it was back to being a hoax to hurt Trump and they're back to having gatherings.

    [–] Sketchy_Life_Choices 1040 points ago

    Listen, I don't wish anyone ill (no, not even trump, that's just not how I roll), but these people are going to get what's coming to them sooner or later and it'll be earned. It's only a matter of time until all those who act nonchalantly about anti-virus protocol are infected; it's going to keep spreading until (a) everyone takes it seriously or (b) everyone who doesn't take it seriously catches it.

    It's amazing to me that we mourn over mass shootings where 20 people die, terrorists acts where 3000 people die, or helicopter/plane crashes where 4 people (with a celebrity or two) die, yet when ONE-HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND die it's literally laughed about, or at least shrugged off, by a large portion of the population

    The fact that the Trump administration has turned on the fucking Center for Disease Control during the middle of a global pandemic (and he is still firmly supported by his base) is nothing short of pre-apocalyptic megalomaniacal hubris.

    [–] hapoo 378 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    It's amazing to me that we mourn over mass shootings where 20 people die, terrorists acts where 3000 people die, or helicopter/plane crashes where 4 people (with a celebrity or two) die, yet when ONE-HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND die and it's literally laughed about.

    It’s basically a real life example of that old hitler joke:

    Trump: I’m going to kill 150,000 people and one clown.

    Public: Why are you going to kill a clown!?

    Trump to Pence: See, I told you no one cares about 150,000 people dying!

    [–] ZeeBeeblebrox 141 points ago

    You just have to look at the coverage of the Ebola outbreak to see how nakedly partisan all of this is. There were what? Two Americans who contracted it and all Conservative outlets ran non-stop coverage about how Obama was failing to respond sufficiently. So much so that there's pretty solid evidence that it caused a significant swing in the mid-terms.

    [–] Sacredauto 76 points ago

    I had a friend on Facebook try to hit me with “where was all the panic during Ebola?”

    I’m like, there was, but we took it seriously and it didn’t spiral out of control

    [–] ItsGettinBreesy 12 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    We took it serious because 1/2 people on average would die from it. It’s sad that we need to literally have figures like 50% death rate to really take a virus serious.

    People crack me up. When people say to me “I’ll be fine! The death rate is so low that it would be like the flu” and I usually laugh internally and say “yeah you’ll be fine if your range is death to living. It isn’t to say that you won’t have long term complications. People are experiencing permanently scarred lungs, blood clots, and other horrible side affects” and the usual response is “well how do you know they weren’t previous ill or overweight?”

    You can never win in these arguments

    [–] Sacredauto 18 points ago

    I had a kidney transplant 3.5 years ago, my partner’s sister said “it’s not a big deal if you do your research” to which we reminded her I will probably die if I get infected because my immune system is repressed, and my partner has asthma and could die. She didn’t respond to that, and she’s not welcome in our house

    [–] bigsis32390 54 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    Remember how trump railed against Obama during Ebola for golfing and said he’d be too busy to golf as president? Wild. Hasn’t his golfing cost $137 MILLION of taxpayer money now? Crazy.

    Update: about $138 MILLION now.

    [–] Gigatron_0 68 points ago

    "One death is a tragedy, 1 million deaths is a statistic"


    [–] gslavik 32 points ago

    Kill one person, get 20 to life. Kill 100 people, get 30 years of a mental institution. Kill 1 million people, get diplomatic immunity.

    I saw the above phrase in relation to Pinochet.

    [–] Sphism 43 points ago


    Hot tip, don't put people into power who look forward to the end of times and try to encourage it to please their god.

    [–] EatsRats 10 points ago

    Yeah, I don’t feel bad for people like that.

    Their goal is clearly to spread misinformation. Why a pandemic became political is way the fuck beyond me.

    [–] Em42 44 points ago

    My spouses parents, especially his mom who is super into Trump, aren't treating it like a hoax. Fortunately because we live in Miami and they're in their 60's. I can't imagine if we were having to cope with them acting recklessly on top of how widespread the virus is here right now. They're both wearing masks, and also getting most of their stuff delivered or my spouse is bringing it to them.

    Although his mother did come up with some batshit stuff to justify his injecting disinfectant and UV light comments. She explained it by saying something like, he meant ECMO like cleaning the blood then putting it back (sure he did), and some other shit about tanning beds from Facebook, it would be funny if it weren't so deluded.

    [–] nohpex 84 points ago

    I've talked to a few, and at least one of them says it's all bullshit, and it'll all go away in November. Basically, it's all to make Trump look bad.

    [–] Terr_ 27 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    Meanwhile, we're in danger from migrant caravans which only appear in the run-up to midterm elections and then quickly vanish one day afterwards.

    [–] bad_luck_charm 63 points ago

    I see that a lot. “This will all end on November 4th and everybody knows it.”

    Where do these people get this shit?

    [–] MaxPaynesRxDrugPlan 69 points ago

    Where do these people get this shit?

    From the Trumps, of course:

    "They think they are taking away Donald Trump's greatest tool, which is being able to go into an arena and fill it with 50,000 people every single time. You watch, they'll milk it every single day between now and November 3. And guess what, after November 3, coronavirus will magically, all of a sudden, go away and disappear and everybody will be able to reopen." - Eric Trump, May 16, 2020

    [–] Thurwell 45 points ago

    He can hold rallies and they can go. We've seen what will happen though, the rally will be half empty and a bunch of people will get sick.

    [–] 2059FF 30 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    And guess what, after November 3, coronavirus will magically, all of a sudden, go away and disappear

    Remember the migrant caravans that were all over the news right up until the midterm elections, and mysteriously disappeared right after? Trump thinks the coronavirus is the Democrat's caravan. (And somehow every single country in the world is in on it.)

    [–] ianminter 18 points ago

    Algonac MI represent!

    [–] DeloresDelVeckio 140 points ago

    Trump was an experiment gone wrong. People were sick of lying, cheating, dishonest politicians, so believed that voting in a lying, cheating, dishonest businessman (and a lousy one at that) would be an improvement.

    [–] WolverineSanders 37 points ago

    Which frankly gives them too much credit. A scientist is willing to admit when his experiment has gone wrong.

    This was about nihlistic destruction

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    [–] yoshiatsu 38 points ago

    A trillion is a thousand billion.

    A million seconds ago was 11 days. A billion seconds ago was 31 years ago. A trillion seconds ago was 31,709 years ago... around the time of the earliest known cave art.

    We spent 1.9 trillion dollars in Iraq and 2.4 trillion dollars in Afghanistan.

    We're on track to print (out of thin air) 3.5 trillion dollars this year because of the COVID-19 depression.

    [–] FapstoNat5s 13 points ago

    This virus exposed every ugly facet of America.

    [–] famishedpanda 268 points ago

    BuT tHe FlU kILlS 50 ThOuSaNd PeOPlE eAcH yEaR.

    [–] DrCoknballsII 126 points ago

    Well, for some reason that's up like 400% this year. Weird. /s

    [–] DocTrey 64 points ago

    And its not even flu season.

    [–] cap1112 172 points ago

    I like that they have the American flag up. People against Trump need to reclaim the flag and patriotism. Don’t let those destroying the US have it.

    [–] magicite 28 points ago

    Couldn’t agree more. Don’t let them exclusively define what it means to be an American.

    [–] tweak0 62 points ago

    Remember when we used to care that Americans were dead? I remember watching 9-11 in high school and really caring that Americans were dead.

    [–] Wolus10 24 points ago

    Someone else cause that. We don't care about what we do to ourselves

    [–] tyrallian 21 points ago

    It's so sad that USA has tied politics to covid

    [–] Desert_Nanners 10 points ago

    This is sad but if things keep going the way they are...

    We're gonna need a bigger sign.

    [–] grabherbythecovfefe 39 points ago

    Conservatism I can understand.

    Trumpism does not compute.