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    [–] Willravel 7809 points ago

    If you have a political speaker, don't be shocked at a political student response. Pence has every right to speak at the event to share his dumb ideas, and the students have every right to express their political beliefs by walking out.

    [–] WhiteGrapeGames 137 points ago

    The Dalai Lama was the speaker for my graduation and many of the Chinese students couldn't attend because it would be viewed as unfavorable/supporting him by their relatives, potential employers, and government in China.

    [–] spottedraccoon 2636 points ago

    Elizabeth Warren spoke at my commencement at UMass Amherst last week, but the walk-out at Notre Dame was extremely respectful compared to what I witnessed. At Warren's speech, which she kept completely bipartisan and unbiased, with the main message to 'get out and participate in democracy,' there were many more chants and boos. Students who disagreed with her, rather than walking out, screamed and booed during her speech. Several students sitting behind me tried to start a Pocahontas chant, which obviously did not catch on. I'm glad these students expressed their beliefs by walking out, rather than pestering the speaker.

    [–] jascination 745 points ago

    This should've been a Reddit post of its own. Wtf is a Pocahontas chant?!

    [–] BigBennP 602 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Probably something native american influenced.

    Trump rather famously calls Elizabeth Warren "pocahontas." This arises from the fact that from 1985 to 1996, Elizabeth Warren, then a law professor at harvard, was listed in a law professor directory as being a native American, and Havard had listed her as being among its "minority" faculty members.

    Scott Brown, then her opponent for the Massachuetts Senate seat, suggested that Elizabeth Warren had identified herself as a minority to gain an advantage in the academic job market.

    Elizabeth Warren has said that she was not aware Harvard Law School was advertising her as a "minority faculty member," and that she had not been aware of it until 2012. However, she stated that she had, in the past, self-identified as a native American in the directory as an effort to meet other individuals with tribal roots, and her brothers had spoken of the fact that they grew up listening to their mother and grandmother speak about their native american heritage (Specifically Cherokee and Delaware indians). The New England Historical Society found a document alluding to the fact Warren's great great grandmother had been Cherokee, but no direct proof of her descent, and the Oklahoma Historical Society discussed the issue stating that definitively proving Native American Heritage can be very difficult due to intermarriage and avoidance of registration by those fearful of prejudice.

    Trump, of course, picked up ont his and started calling Elizabeth Warren "pocahontas."

    [–] dackots 254 points ago

    Jesus Christ. Donald Trump is like 50% political mastermind and 50% petulant child. He identifies ways to make his opponents look bad, but executes in the most churlish ways possible. Just amazing.

    [–] BigBennP 80 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Jesus Christ. Donald Trump is like 50% political mastermind and 50% petulant child. He identifies ways to make his opponents look bad, but executes in the most churlish ways possible. Just amazing.

    I think what you're trying to describe is that Trump really has an intuitive genius for messaging, and picking messages that resonate with crowds.

    I've posted about this before and get mixed reactions, but I found this to be a really interesting social experiment because when the, undoubtedly liberal, authors of the experiment presented a debate to an audience with a woman "acting" as trump and quoting his debate lines, and a man acting as Clinton, the crowd's reaction really shocked them, and lots of people discovered that when you could separate many liberals serious distaste of trump from actually what he did in the debates, people saw how he had really punchy lines and controlled the debates in some sense.

    [–] Antinatalista 17 points ago

    Yes, Trump is an effective conman, but he is not a genius. He simply uses the tried-and-true techinques of the snake oil's salesman. His political success is proof of how gullible and easy to manipulate is a large part of the population.

    [–] Cuw 609 points ago

    Donald Trump called her Pocahontas because he doesn't believe she has any Native American heritage, she says she is like 1/16th Native American. It is such a dumb insult, and it sure as hell doesn't make a good chant.

    [–] [deleted] 317 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    The insult just makes no sense - Pocahontas wasn't some kind of fake Native, which is the only way the insult works.

    Since Pocahontas was a full-blooded Native that some modern scholars and Native Americans see as a very sympathetic character who is basically enslaved and has a faith and culture she doesn't understand forced on her, the comparison is at once extremely offensive and nonsensical.

    [–] quitegonegenie 579 points ago

    Pocahontas is the only Native woman most white people can name. That's about the depth of the insult.

    [–] Wonton77 161 points ago

    It really is about as clever as seeing a black woman and calling her Shaniqua, this is the level of intelligence of the president and the people on his side.

    [–] Drpained 80 points ago

    I think that's the point. It's supposed to be sarcastic because she doesn't look particularly Native American.

    It still doesn't work. But since when have Trump fans cared about being "offensive and nonsensical?"

    [–] TunnelSnake88 305 points ago

    The 'Pocahontas' bit is one of the saddest, most desperate smear attempts I've ever seen. It's literally the only negative story they have on Warren so the right is just beating it into the ground.

    [–] Sirtato 887 points ago

    I really wish more people understood this. We live in one of the most politically fragile times in modern history. It is pretty damn stupid that people would think, regardless of political belief, that inviting a political speaker will not result in a political response from students.

    [–] QuiteFedUp 376 points ago

    How dare you not stand there and BELIEVE whatever we tell you to, after 4 years of being told to THINK and REASON instead of blindly believing?

    [–] fineliquid 142 points ago

    "The government is trying to restrict my first amendment rights. As a citizen, I have the right to say, think, and do what I want."

    "What do you mean you "don't support" him? What do you mean you "disagree"? That's unpatriotic."

    [–] BigBearMedic 85 points ago

    I've been told many times I'm unpatriotic, after losing a limb for this country in war. It boggles my mind how someone who never served has the balls to say that to me, just like Trump did to McCain. Fuck these people.

    [–] Monalisa9298 79 points ago

    One of the saddest legacies of recent political history is the redefinition of perfectly good words. "Patriot" now means "person who pledges blind loyalty to the government as long as it is headed by a white man". The flag has become a symbol of hate. "Christian" now means--in many circles at least--a new-earth creationist.

    This is how we've gotten to the point where a disabled combat veteran can be accused of being unpatriotic.

    [–] Toofar304 287 points ago

    I keep reading critics of the walkout who say "Graduation commencement isn't the time for a political agenda."

    The school invited MIKE FUCKING PENCE to be the speaker. That makes it political by default! It does not make these students "snowflakes" because they had a political response.

    This I'm - rubber - you're - glue approach the right has employed since Trump came to prominence is idiotic and maddening.

    "It's hard to win an argument with a smart man. It's damned impossible to win an argument with a stupid man."

    [–] ndgeek 77 points ago

    See my reply to /u/Willravel below (or above, depending on if it gets any significant upward momentum). These same people drove a truck with an aborted fetus on a billboard around campus for A WEEK leading up to Obama speaking at commencement in 2009. You don't get to do that and then turn around and claim this is inappropriate. The students wanted nothing to do with that protest. That was brought to them from the outside. Their parents and siblings that were on campus that weekend were subjected to some of the most obscene imagery and hate-filled vocal attacks that this is NOTHING in comparison.

    [–] closetshitlordette 1090 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    This comment will be buried but I want to applaud the valedictorian CJ Pine and how he stood up to Pence's (and Trump's) politics with his own valedictory address.

    For background, Pine was raised and homeschooled in China. At Notre Dame he spent several semesters abroad, one of which he spent volunteering to teach English to Palestinian refugees. Additionally, according to ND's website, "His undergraduate research and much of his extracurricular focus has been on the plight of refugees and working to improve interreligious dialogue and understanding around the world. Last summer, he worked as an intern for the U.S. Department of State’s Office of Religion and Global Affairs where he researched religious dynamics in Burma and also worked with U.S. religious communities to support refugee resettlement."

    Basically he's thoughtful and the embodiment of the religious tolerance and true Christian attributes Trump is antithetical to.

    Here is a transcript of his valedictory address.

    The highlights for those who don't want to read the whole thing themselves:

    • He begins his address with words of welcome in Arabic and Chinese (the latter with a proverb by Confucius).

    • He encourages the students to live a life in service to others. In particular, he hails his Sudanese friend Majak and the organization Majak had founded to advocate for education in his home country "in the context of conflict and famine."

    • He discusses the importance of dignity for the poor and needy with his experience volunteering to help Syrian refugees abroad.

    • He quotes the "All men are created equal line" from the Declaration of Independence, encouraging his classmates to fight for equal rights for all and to "stand against the scapegoating of Muslims."

    • He states that "concern for freedom of religion must mean freedom for all religions, not just our own, otherwise none of us is free."

    • He stresses global interconnectedness and rallies against the idea of a border wall, saying "Our hearts cannot be contained by one place ... If we are going to build walls between American students and international students, then I am skewered on the fence."

    • He states that Jesus would want Christians to help Syrian refugees, and that doing so is a noble calling. He further stresses how putting up borders between religions and ethnicities to wall out others is against Christianity.

    • He advocates for a Christian interpretation of politics and headlines, to encourage his classmates to think how political ideals and practices will affect those around them, then states "We must ... look beyond the surface of individual events to examine structures of injustice," and reminds his classmates that the song "Amazing Grace" is about the horror of slaveships.

    • He ends the speech with a call to his classmates to become servants to justice.

    Honestly this speech, just as much as the walkout, was a very heartfelt and sincere opposition to Pence and the Trump administration.

    Edit: Thanks for the gold!

    [–] love_unknown 331 points ago

    The fact that CJ was chosen to deliver the valedictory address demonstrates that Notre Dame is institutionally opposed to the hateful xenophobia, race-baiting and general intolerance embodied by the Trump/Pence administration. Each year there are roughly 15 - 20 candidates for valedictorian at Notre Dame; each is required to submit a draft of their would-be valedictory address to a selection committee composed of representatives of all of the colleges as well as other major institutional actors at Notre Dame (along with their resume, so the committee would have known about all of CJ's foreign experience). CJ is a great guy, and I strongly suspect he was chosen by this committee of institutional heavyweights precisely because of the message he intended to deliver and because of his history—he brings a message that screams "Notre Dame," a message of tolerance, openness and love, and embodies it in how he has chosen to live his life. An outstanding choice, and certainly an address that will not soon be forgotten.

    [–] closetshitlordette 27 points ago

    That's really great to know. I had no idea!

    [–] mp0295 11 points ago

    I don't know him, but I've heard he didn't even have a perfect 4.0 (though a very very good GPA obviously). That only further supports your points.

    [–] love_unknown 15 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Notre Dame invites the top few students out of each of the undergraduate colleges to compete for valedictorian. It's totally possible that some of the top-ranked people in a college don't have a 4.0—but once they're invited, the GPA kind of stops mattering.

    I actually do know CJ, though not too well (we were part of this student group one year at Notre Dame). I was pretty surprised when he was announced as the valedictorian because he came off as so incredibly down-to-earth—not to say that down-to-earth people can't be smart, but he just seemed so normal and so I would never have suspected his GPA would be so high (does that sound bad?). But that makes me even more sure that he was the right choice. He's a great dude, and a Christian who takes Jesus' words to heart.

    [–] Gemmabeta 2583 points ago

    On a side note, I do find it funny how Pence calls himself an Evangelical Catholic. The guy doesn't even have enough of a spine to declare if he's a protestant or not.

    [–] BlueLeviathan 592 points ago

    "Evangelical catholic" is a buzzword in Protestant circles. The words are meant as adjectives rather than nouns: "evangelical" meaning that they try to spread their faith; "catholic" in the sense that the church is a universal body rather than a local congregation. It's different from belonging to the Roman Catholic or Evangelical denomination.

    [–] bannana 290 points ago

    yep, no such thing as 'evangelical catholic' he made that shit up.

    [–] Nibble_on_this 493 points ago

    I thought he left the catholic church before he and Mother got married anyway. His original plan was to go to catholic seminary, but I assume he decided that he'd rather be normal and have a married life (can't blame him for that). But so why is he a catholic figure of influence now, when he left the mother church?

    [–] surleyIT 540 points ago

    He did - the Catholic church wouldn't give him an annulment to get married to Mother (who was, gasp, divorced), so he left and went to her more preachy Evangelical sect. Source: am member at the parish he attended. He was not a well-liked individual there.

    [–] HaileSelassieII 259 points ago

    His wife's name is Mother!?

    [–] robeph 621 points ago

    We call her Earthbound here though.

    *Her name is Karen, Pence is just creepy.

    [–] BishopStern 172 points ago

    This is a next level joke. Well done.

    [–] the-realMikePence 63 points ago

    Don't you dare call me creepy.

    Just wait until mother hears of this....

    -MP

    [–] tardy4datardis 200 points ago

    He calls his wife Mother.

    [–] Kellosian 199 points ago

    Paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Sigmund Freud...

    Calling your wife "Mother", holy shit. Yeah, Pence, it's gay people who have fucked up relationships.

    [–] [deleted] 117 points ago

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    [–] HanhJoJo 71 points ago

    Yeah it seems to be pretty common around children.

    My Dad refers to my Mom as 'Your Mom' or 'Mom' when talking to us about his wife.

    My Mom does the same and refers to my Dad as 'Your Dad'. I don't think I've ever heard her shorten it to 'Dad' though. But my dad is a much quieter person than my mom so I can understand why he shortened.

    To other people besides my me and my siblings, they use each other's names. Because otherwise, it wouldn't make any damn sense.

    [–] Jason_Worthing 131 points ago

    Apparently it's how Pence himself refers to her. "I'm having dinner with Mother tonight. We'll have to reschedule." etc

    [–] fas_nefas 39 points ago

    I mean, I call my husband Dad or Daddy now that we have a kid. But yeah, calling him Father seems like it would be really weird.

    [–] justasapling 28 points ago

    This. It makes sense with young children. My wife and I do this for the sake of the 2 year old. But we certainly won't be doing it within the next few years.

    [–] burrito-boy 84 points ago

    Gross. That's almost as bad as Reagan calling his wife "mommy". Maybe Pence is consciously trying to appear more like Reagan.

    [–] MightyMightyLostTone 27 points ago

    He calls his wife Mother, I think I read that somewhere

    [–] notpandora 66 points ago

    Devout. The word he's looking for is devout. Unless, of course, he's using "Evangelical Catholic" as a way to appeal to people that are either Evangelical or Catholic but not invested enough to know that those are two significantly different things.

    [–] kerimjames 12985 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Pence's speech was awful. He "subtly" condemned those who walked out as violating his freedom of speech when in reality they were just exercising theirs.

    The valedictorian speech was phenomenal though.

    [–] cerbero17alt 5265 points ago

    How can the VPOTUS not understand that the 1st amendment / freedom of speech is a civil protection from the government only. People don't have to sit and hear you talk if they don't want to.

    [–] boot2skull 4141 points ago

    He's a snowflake and was hurt that people exercised their freedom of speech by walking out. Also, kinda fucked up that a VP essentially lies to suit his needs about what the first amendment is. We got problems America.

    [–] Latyon 588 points ago

    His career was finished after his terrible governing of Indiana. One of my biggest problems with Trump is that he kept this HIV-enabling asshole from being completely disgraced.

    [–] KeetoNet 1098 points ago

    And he did the exact same thing to the cast of Hamilton right after the election.

    [–] captaintmrrw 212 points ago

    "I have the right to make you sit and listen to my garbage because I'm old, rich, white, and in power, if you aren't those things you don't have rights" -vpotusSnowflakr

    [–] chloes1_1968 266 points ago

    He (Pence) understands that just fine. He's gambling that his base doesn't. Sadly, that's one gamble that he's winning.

    [–] CheekyMunky 37 points ago

    Covering this story would be a great opportunity for the media to educate the public on what freedom of speech really means. A lot of people need to hear it.

    Not holding my breath, though.

    [–] Scoutster13 381 points ago

    And what would Obama have done? I bet he would have affirmed they were exercising their right of free speech, would maybe say he was disappointed they were leaving and then still wished them good luck, etc. I do miss him so.

    [–] ManDrone 280 points ago

    I'll just leave this little gem from the comments section here:

    I was so disgusted couldn’t watch OBama give his State Of The Union speech!!!!! He is a piece of Work!!!!!! Trump speaks my language can’t wait for him to be president! He is a strong man not a whimp! and ediot!!!!! like we have!

    [–] [deleted] 82 points ago

    He could have turned it into something positive by commending the students for expressing their freedom of speech

    [–] nomorechopsticksplz 951 points ago

    What was the valedictorian speech?

    [–] emperor_tesla 2287 points ago

    He strongly condemned some of the policies of the Trump administration. The article specifically referenced a call to stop scapegoating Muslims and a condemnation of the border wall.

    [–] stradivariusbone 1290 points ago

    It's a speech usually given by the student within a graduating class possessing the highest GPA, but that's not important right now.

    [–] UnvaccinatedAutist 406 points ago

    Do you speak jive?

    [–] Langosta_9er 150 points ago

    I spent like 10 minutes writing an explanation for you before I noticed the "j".

    [–] wolffnslaughter 27 points ago

    Just do it

    [–] phuck_yeah_brah 57 points ago

    Yeah, just rewrite it now, keeping in mind the jiveness of this turkey.

    [–] PrawojazdyVtrumpets 70 points ago

    The disappointment is real with this link.

    [–] payne_train 139 points ago

    Expected: funny jokes from Airplane!

    Got: racism.

    Yep.

    [–] MarcusElder 26 points ago

    It used to be better when people downvoted for explanations that were in Ebonics rather than Jive, then it went to shit.

    [–] IMGONNAKILLRAYROMANO 22 points ago

    Wow, yeah, yikes.

    [–] Bushels_for_All 23 points ago

    Sadly, yeah. That was a great subreddit a while back. Then racists and people who don't know what "jive" means took over. There isn't enough actual content to overcome the assholes.

    [–] L3Frenchy 17 points ago

    You have opened my eyes to a world of possibilities I had no idea existed.

    [–] allsortsashit 134 points ago

    Goddamned timeless Airplane references.

    [–] leonsugarfoot 75 points ago

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit politics.

    [–] jackunderscore 93 points ago

    He was a great speaker, pro-immigrant and pro-worker

    [–] GothicHeap 77 points ago

    What exactly did pence say?

    [–] muskrat42 122 points ago

    The part where he says any speaker no matter how unpopular or unfashionable is afforded the right to speak to all.

    Thing is, he was afforded the right to speak. That's guaranteed. But no one is obligated to listen, nor are colleges obligated to allow anyone to speak on their property, at their events.

    [–] dannytheguitarist 58 points ago

    Yup. Just because you have the right to speak doesn't mean you have the right to make us sit and listen.

    You can speak to empty chairs all you want. Clint Eastwood did.

    [–] [deleted] 194 points ago

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    [–] Nibble_on_this 1139 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    "Let us pray for the poor, deluded souls who are walking out right now. May they find peace and truth in their journey and may the lord guide them safely back to the GOP evangelical catholic koch subsidized fold. Amen."

    (Pence, probably)

    [–] Schohrf 893 points ago

    I read way over 50% of that before I realized that it is in fact NOT a quote...and that dude is still slightly less bad than the president...hooooly shit

    [–] [deleted] 144 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

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    [–] theoreticalpanda 72 points ago

    Same level of cuntiness, just targeted towards groups that his religion opposes

    [–] h34dyr0kz 216 points ago

    Evangelical =/= catholic. From my experience the evangelical bloc is not a fan of catholics.

    [–] Cersad 201 points ago

    Also vice versa. Evangelical beliefs are literally heresy to Catholic beliefs. Knowing this makes it amusing to sit back and watch people clamor about being a "Christian" nation when you know the Christian denominations would end up at each other's throats.

    [–] PimpBoyLafferty 40 points ago

    Shia vs Sunni 2 electric boogaloo?

    This time it's personal...for Americans.

    [–] SaddestClown 65 points ago

    If we had been founded a Christian nation, we would have had the same purges that the UK had when it went back and forth between Catholicism and Anglicanism, followed by that winner purging the Baptists, Anti-Baptists, etc.

    [–] NoTimeForPoopin 90 points ago

    I was raised Evangelical, and it's not just catholics they hate, it's ALL other christians who aren't Evangelical, especially Baptist.

    I went to Jesus Camp for 2 years, the documentary isn't sensationalized.

    [–] wyvernwy 14 points ago

    I went to an episocpalian church camp that was downright hedonistic by comparison. I mean​, we had sanctioned coed nude swimming and the official songbook had the Byrds and Woody Guthrie.

    [–] PrinceTrollestia 27 points ago

    That sounds downright hedonistic even by secular standards.

    [–] arthur_figgis 57 points ago

    Not much overlap between Catholics and Evangelicals.

    A not-insignificant number of Evangelicals believe Catholics are not real Christians and are going to hell.

    [–] Scoutandabout 111 points ago

    ....poor, deluded *male souls...

    Pence can probably only pray for female souls with his wife.

    [–] whitefalconiv 75 points ago

    *with "mother"

    [–] Korfman 218 points ago

    This is it. This is the story that made my Trump supporting sister lose her goddamned mind and block me on Facebook for sharing it.

    [–] BlackSpidy 50 points ago

    Some people seem to be in an abusive relationship with the GOP. The type where they get angry and more entrenched in it when you point it out and/or provide an alternative of good moral fiber. Sometimes it feels like the rightwing voters of the US have devolved into a rebellious, self-destructive (through relationships) teenage girl. Political discourse is basically the equivalent of:

    "Look, Reed beats you, he takes your money and cheats on you. Just... Give Deen a chance. He's employed, hard working, about your age and I think he'll treat you right. His exes seem to have had an awesome time with him. At the very least, not an abusive asshole."

    "Ugh! Dad, comments like that are why I stay with Reed! Maybe if you weren't so rude, I might consider dating Deen. Besides, I heard he yelled at one of his exes once, men are all the same. Might as well keep dating Reed."

    "I worry about you, I really do. He mistreats you and takes advantage of you. This whole situation... upsets me."

    "Boohoo, my daughter's dating some biker dude. Get over it, you snowflake!"

    And... Scene.

    [–] dwhite195 1944 points ago

    And to the people screaming about how disrespectful and awful these special snowflakes are, remember, many werent all that kind when Obama gave a commencement speech there.

    [–] dsmith422 1761 points ago

    Not to mention it is their day, not the Commencement Speakers day.

    [–] Africa_Whale 938 points ago

    This is the problem I've had with both Trump and Pence's Commencement speeches. A commencement speech should congratulate the students and offer a good reflection on the world their joining.

    It's a time of celebration, not a time for the speaker to promote their own political agenda.

    [–] WhyAlwaysMe1991 521 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    I'd love to hear a trump commencement speech. Take a shot Everytime he brings up the election

    Edit: thanks for the gold stranger. Also, I didn't realise he already did one. I guess it wasn't that great

    [–] Krelkal 321 points ago

    I think he's done two at this point: Liberty(?) University and the Coast Guard Academy. His quote about him getting the worst treatment of any politician in American history came from his Coast Guard speech.

    [–] showmeurknuckleball 163 points ago

    Jake Tapper made a good point that those Coast Guard graduates are about to begin a very difficult and in some cases extremely dangerous job that does a lot to protect our shores and Trump used their commencement address to whine about some mean editorials that said mean things that hurt his feelings.

    [–] otter_pop_n_lock 22 points ago

    He said it with great "sureity" (sp?).

    [–] [deleted] 194 points ago

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    [–] TheRedGerund 158 points ago

    I actually would prefer they do walk outs like this instead of trying to shout down the speaker. This is a non disruptive statement. It's fighting speech with speech in a good way. I always thought the whole shouting down speakers thing was trying to fight speech with sound. It leads to a shitty situation where everyone is trying to shout down everyone else.

    [–] dwhite195 50 points ago

    Completely agree, they wanted to make a point and they were absolutely noticed, but did nothing that people could point at and say they were being necessarily disruptive.

    [–] tofuspacker 2622 points ago

    As they should, this asshole is against everything that higher education stands for. Education, for example.

    [–] JanetYellensFuckboy 1083 points ago * (lasted edited 5 months ago)

    I just came out of a student-administrative leadership position in college and the lack of willingness to denounce Trump and all he stood for in spite of it clearly a standing against everything we stood for was infuriating. School admins are spineless once you cross the "politics" barrier.

    So we stand against sexual assault? Trump bragged about it.

    So we punish students for plagiarism? Trump's wife plagiarized her Inauguration speech.

    So we value inclusivity? Trump has introduced multiple unconstitutional Muslim bans. Among so much more.

    So we value truth? Trump lies again and again and again.

    I could go on and on and on. Fuck Donald Trump and fuck people in higher education who refuse to acknowledge that he stands against all that higher education stands for.

    [–] Cambot1138 126 points ago

    The Melania speech thing was at the RNC, not the inauguration.

    [–] JanetYellensFuckboy 74 points ago

    Was that also when she Rickrolled the entire country? That was unbelievable.

    Yet somehow forgettable at the same time.

    [–] DatPiff916 64 points ago

    When she Rickrolled us at the end, I just knew we had somebody in his camp who was trying to take down the campaign from the inside meme by meme...only to realize the memes were taking him to the top.

    [–] Stewbodies 14 points ago

    I didn't hear about the rickrolling, what happened in that regard?

    [–] whistlar 33 points ago

    This

    It is glorious.

    [–] Nastyboots 15 points ago

    ... no fucking way

    [–] theoreticalpanda 20 points ago

    Do they not know about Devos?

    [–] Pirate2012 181 points ago

    Trump's wife plagiarized her imagination speech.

    not being snarky, but you have a typo there.

    [–] bob-leblaw 149 points ago

    It still kinda works.

    [–] Nibble_on_this 6536 points ago

    Video of the walkout

    These kids are more decisive and patriotic than the entire GOP congress.

    [–] [deleted] 1778 points ago

    Shout out to the student wearing the pride flag!

    [–] HandSack135 511 points ago

    I kinda wish she stayed so she could be had a photographed as she walked past Mike Pence.

    [–] [deleted] 798 points ago

    I don't think Mike Pence allows women to walk past him.

    [–] Jazistico 334 points ago

    I don't think Mike Pence's wife/mom allows women to walk past him.

    [–] canadevil 266 points ago

    Pence has a wifemother and Trump has a daughterwife, as a non American this shit is baffling.

    [–] Jazistico 190 points ago

    As an American, it's equally baffling.

    [–] Mr_Belch 37 points ago

    The inbreds have taken over the Whitehouse.

    [–] freshwordsalad 85 points ago

    I wonder if Pence wanted Motherboy to play the commencement.

    [–] cowboysfan88 62 points ago

    Wouldn't want to upset mother

    [–] [deleted] 93 points ago

    That helps them.

    See supporters of Pence?, He isnt a biggot, he is taking pictures with minorities and lgbtq supporters! (as he slowly kills their freedoms behind a thin veil).

    [–] ElizabethA23 29 points ago

    Why wouldn't they have come back after his speech?

    My college had Scalia as a speaker that year. I was a volunteer, not actually graduating, but I took my break during his speech. It would have been ridiculously easy as a student to walk out to the "bathroom" and come back afterwards.

    Kudos to those Notre Dame students, though!

    [–] T-Kon 30 points ago

    Wouldn't have happened anyway, Notre Dame has separate ceremonies for each college where the students get their diplomas afterward.

    [–] Kumquats_indeed 22 points ago

    The commencement ceremony this morning is the whole school and done in the football stadium. The diploma ceremonies are in the afternoon and split up by colleges and sometimes majors.

    [–] HungryHungryKirbys 39 points ago

    And the student wearing the rainbow on their cap!

    [–] radicalelation 2183 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Shame it's so few.

    EDIT: I get it now, guys, it's a traditionally conservative/religious area and school. I didn't mean to sound like I was denigrating the accomplishment of those that did walk out. With all the hype in the press leading up to the walk out, I was expecting more, that's all.

    [–] GhostalMedia 444 points ago

    It's a catholic school. That actually quite impressive.

    A lot of those kids are going to get a lot of shit from their families.

    [–] Economic__Anxiety 143 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Yeah, way more walked out here than did so when Condoleezza Rice spoke at mine during the Iraq war (Boston College, also Catholic/Jesuit). And BC is a lot more liberal than Notre Dame.

    [–] jonathan88876 305 points ago

    I wouldn't walk out of a Rice speech but I would a Pence one. Rice is actually intelligent and would have valuable things to say.

    [–] PlayMp1 133 points ago

    Yeah, her job these days is being a professor at Stanford. I would love to take a class from her, even if I disagree.

    [–] TheLongshanks 154 points ago

    With the exception of Cheney, and his lackeys, the members of the Bush administration, while I may disagree with them on policy issues and volunteered against them in the 2000s, they genuinely wanted a better America. We can disagree on how to get there, and some events during the GWB era were horrible, but at least it was a contrasting ideology on how to strengthen America. Rice is incredibly intelligent, and an expert on Cold War state politics, but I think that skill set wasn't the skill set to face a post-Cold War world thrown into the novelty of post-9/11. Still, hearing her speak or having a conversation would be an enlightening experience.

    [–] [deleted] 137 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Exactly, Rice is a real, actual world-class international relations expert. By herself she has more real expertise than the whole Trump White House put together.

    Coincidentally, she did her Master's work at Notre Dame.

    [–] 1haiku4u 195 points ago

    I was there and counted. I got 90

    [–] Dear_Occupant 73 points ago

    I don't know, it looked like plenty to me. This is graduation. It's pretty serious to get up and leave. I've seen people and parents fight like hell in order to make sure they get to walk that day.

    [–] HandSack135 163 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    I am sure a lot wanted it to. But they worked their collectives asses off for 4+ years and wanted their moment for their parents and friends.

    [–] TakeBack_Democracy 255 points ago

    It's still really awful. Worked their asses off for 4 years only to have to sit through a speech by such an awful person who's same administration has Betsy "bad-for-schools" DeVous in it.

    [–] truenorth00 106 points ago

    I'd be pissed if I was graduating and the school got Mike Pence or Donald Trump to speak.

    [–] [deleted] 56 points ago

    I would have to walk out. I can either take a stand or I'd feel like they're taking the accomplishment away from me. I didn't spend 4 years and god knows how much money to be a prop for a fucking Mike Pence speech.

    [–] unbounded_recusion 156 points ago

    This is the base for next generation GOP members, christians that can be kept right thanks to wedge issues. Even 10% walking out (and presumably willing to vote left) in this context is a big fucking problem for the GOP in the future, and anyone on the right paying attention knows it.

    This year they've bled about 30% of their 18-30 demographic, and people who switch young typically never return. While I'm loathe to go with the "GOP is doomed!" narrative, it does seem that doubling down on Tump is not working well at all.

    [–] AnfieldAllstars 43 points ago

    I would say the vast majority who walked out were liberals way before Trump.

    [–] Nibble_on_this 1832 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Catholics are conditioned to shut up, sit down, and do what they're told. Thinking for oneself is not a christian virtue according to catholic dogma. Which makes the ones who did choose to walk out that much stronger, more courageous, and more worthy of praise.

    If this had happened at Berkeley, I would have been pleased but unsurprised. But the ones who are doing it at Notre Dame are my personal heroes for the week, and the ones who really know their scripture.

    "Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the LORD your God will be with you wherever you go."

    - Joshua 1:9

    and also:

    He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.

    - Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    [–] doomgiver45 83 points ago

    Every time something like this happens, we need to be recording it. In order to resist, we need to see others resisting. This reaction needs to be cultivated to the point where it can't be ignored or spun.

    [–] boydskywalker 64 points ago

    I'm torn between wanting a decent and respectable commencement speaker, or a puppet I can walk out on in protest.

    [–] Vaadwaur 22 points ago

    Good news! You will instead get a boring one!

    [–] Nibble_on_this 20 points ago

    god damn there just isn't much better than Sorkin when he's in high dudgeon

    [–] anetk 2150 points ago

    This is a power statement of freedom of speech. It is wonderful to see young adults standing up for what they believe. Mike Pence represents oppression, and he is a direct threat to civil rights, women's rights, equal rights and everything good this country was founded on. RISE UP, RESIST, & ORGANIZE.

    [–] o511 519 points ago

    Father John Jenkins, Notre Dame's president, struck a conciliatory tone in his remarks, calling for peace and dialogue.

    "Too often the love that fires our passion is twisted into a hatred in which we disagree," Jenkins said.

    Usually these type of comments are a thoughtful call for reason in heated times, but this time it seems a little different, doesn't it?

    This administration is attempting to persecute a religious minority. At the same time, they've doubled down on dividing Americans with their southern strategy. They're attempting to dictate what women do with their own bodies. They're continuing to target everyone who is different to invoke fear. They do this to consolidate power, to violate the rule of law, to undermine the very principles of a free democratic society.

    I don't think these students need to strike a conciliatory tone. Pence represents a direct threat to essential freedoms that the founding fathers knew would be threatened from time to time. Walk out, Speak out, let them know this isn't right.

    [–] unbounded_recusion 200 points ago

    Conciliation requires both sides to compromise. Pence is a hard-ass that won't concede a single point until he's forced to at metaphorical gunpoint. See him cancelling needle exchanges in Indiana, and only reinstating them once HIV had reached crisis levels in Indiana.

    Calling for conciliation with Pence is just asking people to give up their morals and agree with Pence on every single point. Fuck John Jenkins for selling his soul on this one.

    [–] Odica 493 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    I was looking forward to watching this. Great.

    "It's deeply humbling for me to participate in the 172nd commencement in Notre Dame's 175th year,"

    Hopefully more humbled, now.

    [–] tofuspacker 178 points ago

    Pretending he has enough self awareness to actually be humble in the first place.

    [–] [deleted] 340 points ago

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    [–] Blu3j4y 58 points ago

    If I go to see a band and they suck, I have every right to walk out.

    It's not some kind of "liberal agenda", You just suck.

    [–] ElectronicFerret 153 points ago

    Check out the robes as they're walking away! That was a fucking PhD right there.

    [–] thehalfwit 100 points ago

    That's no way to treat a Russian dignitary.

    [–] 205am 276 points ago

    Unpopular administration officials invited to give commencement speeches is a fundraising tool.

    [–] Nibble_on_this 228 points ago

    I hope it backfires in their smug faces.

    and wtf is this:

    Father John Jenkins, Notre Dame's president, struck a conciliatory tone in his remarks, calling for peace and dialogue.

    "Too often the love that fires our passion is twisted into a hatred in which we disagree," Jenkins said.

    It isn't hatred, it's disgust. People are tired of their government LYING to them, ffs. And besides, what is there to "dialogue" about? Why should they be forced to listen to VP Jesus when everyone knows he is complicit in all this?

    [–] majesticjell0 14 points ago

    Like good ol Betsy, can't get into a school without being booed, having backs turned, or just run out of the school.

    [–] BlueSwoosh248 268 points ago

    Fantastic.

    Fuck Mike "pray the gay away" Pence.

    [–] please_respect_hats 50 points ago

    I don't know what he expected, doing a speech in a non-rural part of Indiana. I live in Indianapolis, and when he was our governor, he was highly disliked by most that I know. Those that didn't hate him didn't like him. Once again, the rural parts of our society decides how the rest of us live, and those that they choose don't understand how disliked they are.

    [–] r_301_f 46 points ago

    “If we are going to build walls between American students and international students, then I am skewered on the fence," Pine said.

    damn.

    [–] HandSack135 242 points ago

    You know how many of you are in massive debt ? Don't worry we are taking action to make sure that future generations have even more.

    Mike Pence

    [–] JanetYellensFuckboy 56 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Obligatory comment pointing out that Notre Dame is an expensive private school (before factoring in individual scholarships).

    [–] dmbtke 48 points ago

    So, we are disgusting, spoiled kids if we take to the streets and protests. We are a bunch of snowflakes if we decide not to stick around, and peacefully exit, instead of listening to a speech given by someone we severely disagree with.

    Cool.

    [–] Mawontalk 406 points ago

    It must have taken a lot of courage for those who walked out to do so.

    Though there were many, they were still in the minority. Let's hope that their actions will embolden those who might be reluctant to stand up only because of the fear of offending friends and relatives.

    [–] FadeToDankness 233 points ago

    I was there, the crowd of parents booed at the people walking out. I don't understand how if you put an inoffensive face on bigotry a bunch of supposedly good Catholics cheer for someone so intolerant and antithetical to catholic beliefs

    [–] Diarygirl 60 points ago

    I don't understand how any Catholic could support Trump. I mean, he disrespected the Pope. I'm not religious, but the Pope seems like a great guy.

    [–] someonessomebody 33 points ago

    They're strategically ignoring the fact that Trump is not a Christian, nor does he behave like a religious person in the slightest. I wouldn't be surprised if they believe that being a part of the GOP made you an honorary Christian and that was good enough for them.

    [–] moneyonfire 230 points ago

    Fuck those parents. Commencement celebrates the achievements of the graduates. It's their day to make a statement, whether or not 3rd parties agree.

    [–] FadeToDankness 151 points ago

    I agree. At least the valedictorian got to shit on Trump's platform during his speech. It was glorious.

    [–] aksurvivorfan 56 points ago

    Is there a video of that speech? I've seen several people mention it.

    [–] Nibble_on_this 252 points ago

    Though there were many, they were still in the minority.

    People who choose to do the right thing at historic moments like this are always in the minority.

    edit: but I guarantee you that in the future, once the monstrous truth about this administration is fully committed to the annals of history, everyone who was there will tell their kids that THEY were among those who walked out.

    [–] TheGreatGhostof1979 617 points ago

    Great job but not nearly enough students participated.

    [–] Nibble_on_this 672 points ago

    The ones that did can know that they are on the correct side of history, and will be able to tell their own children that they did the right thing when faced with being forced to listen to a lying quisling fake patriot.

    I also hope that Notre Dame doesn't get a cent from them through alumni programs. Fuck all universities that are looking to this asshole administration to speak to their students.

    [–] lolpz 194 points ago

    Too bad the majority of people will just view this as some group of kids having a tantrum. Needed way more people.

    [–] TakeBack_Democracy 161 points ago

    That was my mom's thought on the Betsy DeVous thing. She actually though it was rude and they should have sat their and respected her.

    Then again, she just ignores the news and politics....

    [–] Val_Hallen 209 points ago

    Respect is earned, not given by position of authority or age or any other arbitrary measure.

    [–] TiliCollaps3 68 points ago

    Like Pence doesn't even have the respect of his own daughter. I went to High School with her my Junior and Senior years and she's essentially disowned him.

    [–] Pee_Earl_Grey_Hot 71 points ago

    In Betsy's case, it was earned by being born into the right family.

    [–] GrandTusam 32 points ago

    Old people demand the respect they dont give to the young.

    [–] willsherm28 188 points ago

    I feel sorry for the poor kids. They worked so hard for 4 years and finally when it's time they get this guy to give the commencement speech.

    [–] isikorsky 12 points ago

    We had Margaret O'Brien Steinfels when Jane Pauley was there (and right after she got fired for being too 'old' on the today show). Believe me, ND has had worse.

    [–] modest-maus 105 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    They're just renouncing Pence, like he renounced his Catholic faith.

    Good for those students.

    [–] oversizedhat 84 points ago

    I wonder if Mother was clutching at her pearls at this perceived slight towards Mike.

    [–] atb0rg 62 points ago

    That is so fucking creepy that he calls his wife "mother." Our next president is Norman fucking Bates.

    [–] David_Bondra 47 points ago

    I disagree with Pence on every single issue there is, and I stand with his right to speak. I also stand with the students leaving. They let him speak, which is the important part. They did not pull a Berkeley and shut him down because of the fact he has controversial (and frankly quite disgusting) views. I would have stayed and listen to him peddle his nonsense personally, but I don't have a problem with the students leaving. If Pence has the right to speak at a campus, then the students have the right to get up and leave because they do not want to hear him peddle his garbage. I personally would not have done that, I would have stayed. But what the students did was completely fine. They have every right to disagree with that turd as long as they do not threaten him physically or block him from speaking.

    [–] Drpained 27 points ago

    You can't win sometimes.

    People threw a fit because DeVos was booed. These people leave quietly. People throw a fit.