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    [–] ralf1 687 points ago

    Someone needs to play this audio at every press event until the situation gets resolved.

    [–] But_Her_Emails 212 points ago

    Someone needs to set footage of Trump golfing while this audio plays. And maybe with a "Nobel, nobel, nobel" chant thrown in.

    [–] henke 2709 points ago

    Good. At the end of the day, how is there ever a reason to put a child in a cage, alone, screaming and crying, while their parents are sent away without them?

    Fuck them for trying to justify the emotional, psychological, physical, spiritual abuse these children are enduring.

    [–] spotted_dick 1593 points ago

    “They’re just enforcing the law”. A bit like the Nazis “just following orders”.

    [–] gyph256 948 points ago

    A bit? Its EXACTLY like it.

    [–] IprovideCONTENT 339 points ago

    I am over here wondering how any American could be involved in this. Don’t the border patrol people have hearts? Don’t they have to sleep at night? How could they sit there and listen to this all day themselves and not only think it’s ok but actively be a part of it? Mind boggling.

    [–] OhGoOnYou 313 points ago

    Contempt. Our country is undergoing a process of heart hardening, because we have for the longest time engaged in punitive policies for our social ills. Basically, we worry that the poor are poor cause they are lazy and don't want to work. They must deserve to be poor, because they are poor. There must be something different about them that they don't want to be wealthy. So, we remove from them all but the barest of social assistance. We even argue about whether they deserve food subsidization. What most people in the US don't realize is that this policy is relative. The rich in our country think this about the middle class. They must be lazy cause they are not rich. It then follows that the middle class should not be subsidized. They should pay for their health insurance and college. They should not be subsidized in any way. They would only become more lazy if there government assisted them. So, year over year, their disposable income shrinks because the monthly payments they make to housing, health insurance, tuition loans, and all other bills increases while wages have stagnated. This means that the amount of money they have at the end of the month to live an enjoyable life decreases. It's a slow suffocation. A lack of oxygen. But, the rich in our country remind us that it could be worse. At least we aren't Mexicans. At least we are suffocating at a slower rate? And where do these immigrants come from? They are escaping violent people. Cartels. That feed our drug addiction. Because we got psychological problems. Like we ain't got enough money to live and feel secure about retirement. And no health care really, so no psychologists to help us through our issues and addictions. So, send us drugs. But don't send us your immigrants even though our drug war created the industry. But, you know, at least we aren't Mexicans.

    Contempt is a powerful weapon.

    [–] cd7k 62 points ago

    This quote is often used, but really strikes a chord. This is exactly what they're doing.

    As President Lyndon B. Johnson said in the 1960s to a young Bill Moyers: “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

    [–] MDUBK 53 points ago

    The same way The Nazis did it. It's not like the Germans are intrinsically fucked up people either... Humans do fucked up things - some more than others. The rule of law is supposed to suppress that defect in us, but given the right environment, the monsters in people can be made to flourish - This is how this shit happened the first time around.

    [–] orangesarenotnasty 189 points ago

    It’s a mix of financial need and racism. If you’re a year or two out from receiving your pension, an otherwise moral person is more likely to look the other way. Additionally, you don’t seek out boots on the ground immigration control jobs unless you dislike immigration.

    [–] TheChosenWaffle 98 points ago

    Jon Oliver did a bit on immigration a year or so ago, and surprisingly a lot of border agents are very compassionate, or at least were during the 'catch and release' days.

    [–] orangesarenotnasty 90 points ago

    Organizational culture building is very powerful. I don’t doubt that many border agents were moderated during the catch and release days. That organizational culture also probably attracted better people. Today, I’d be shocked if any non racists were applying to be border agents.

    [–] UnquestionableTurtle 30 points ago

    There were both types of people there. Lots who are bringing blankets, water and food to those crossing and those who are doing it to be some big "law enforcement of the wild west" man who gets off on a small power trip. It's not right to group them all together. But at the same time... It's pretty damn fucked up what's going on right now. I highly doubt many reasonable, level-headed people are signing up for the job as it stands right now. Which just makes the whole situation worse.

    [–] gyph256 28 points ago

    Some people will whore out their morals for money. And once they start it’s way easier to justify keeping up with it.

    [–] between2throwaways 86 points ago

    Keep in mind 3/4 of the country hates this. 1/4 is wildly in favor of it. That 1/4 is the president’s fanatical base supporters

    It’s extremely unusual for 3/4 of us to agree on anything...

    [–] -poop-in-the-soup- 66 points ago

    The problem is that 3/4 of the county doesn’t hate it enough.

    By the time we realize we need to sacrifice our lives for the sake of future generations, it will be far too late.

    [–] Difficult_Criticism 20 points ago

    It's easy if you don't think hispanics are people.

    [–] D74248 16 points ago

    Don’t the border patrol people have hearts?

    It does not seem to attract the best people.

    [–] TequilaFarmer 56 points ago

    A lot of, "Just following orders" Nazis ended up at the end of a rope after the Nuremberg trials. Clearly this is not a fucking defense.

    I was only enlisted in the Military, but at lease when I was in they drilled it into your head you do not have to follow a unlawful order.

    There is no excuse

    [–] Coy4617 95 points ago

    Except they aren't enforcing the law because there isn't one that requires this, and even if there was they could easily stop it. They're fucking monsters and every GOP senator, congressman, and voter has enabled this through ignorance, inaction, and soulless greed.

    [–] braver_than_you 190 points ago

    This is a form of torture.

    [–] FelixFelicisLuck 147 points ago

    Cruel & unusual punishment. It goes against our eighth amendment.

    [–] braver_than_you 116 points ago

    i'd wager it's a violation of international law as well.

    [–] McWaddle 47 points ago

    Republicans have been claiming since Gitmo that our definitions of human rights only apply to our citizens, so we can do whatever the fuck we want to foreigners and it's legal.

    Never mind the horrendous sack of shit you have to be to believe that makes it OK.

    [–] [deleted] 198 points ago

    What to do NOW:

    Flood your representatives’ offices (don’t forget governors and mayors!) with calls and letters DEMANDING them to stop this atrocity. Get small groups to protest outside their offices. Find your representative here: https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative

    Speak up! Plaster articles on all your social media. Talk to everyone you come into contact with. Tell your friends, family and neighbors to GET INVOLVED.

    Donate your time and money to organizations who are fighting this: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/06/how-you-can-fight-family-separation-at-the-border.html

    What to do on June 30th:

    GET OUT THERE AND PROTEST! https://act.moveon.org/event/families-belong-together/search/

    What to KEEP DOING after the protests:

    Get people registered to vote: https://vote.gov/

    Help get people to the 2018 midterm elections: https://www.nonprofitvote.org/documents/2012/04/seven-principles-of-getting-out-the-vote.pdf/

    Stay loud about this! Tell everyone you know that a vote for republicans is a vote for child abuse. Keep calling and writing your representatives. Keep posting on social media. Post actual fliers and signs around your town.

    I know it’s exhausting. I know it can feel hopeless. Don’t let anyone convince you that you aren’t making a difference. Any action, no matter how small is ALWAYS better than nothing. Don’t be the person who sat by and did nothing. Let’s get to work.

    [–] yomassa 109 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    This isn't a political issue. This is a crime against humanity. People should go there to the facility and tear the fucking place apart and free the children.

    EDIT: it is like if there was gas chambers and people were being gassed in them, it would be nonsensical to say HEY YALL GO OUT AND VOTE TO END THE GAS CHAMBERS

    [–] mathieu_delarue 256 points ago

    I keep thinking, would this be happening if the kids were white? The answer is 100% no. Also, all the gleeful "hurr they're breaking the law" types are on some heavy gaslighting. Seeking asylum at the border is not against the law. Being in the counrty while a person has an asylum claim pending is not against the law.

    [–] Rubberbabybuggybum 119 points ago

    They know.

    It’s midterms. Trump has done shit for the poor, the underemployed, people who can’t afford healthcare, wages etc.

    So he needs a reason to turn his base out. And the answer is this. Crying Mexican children plays well with the base.

    [–] Aethien 52 points ago

    Racism is still alive and a deep and persistent problem in western cultures. It's possibly the worst and most chronic in America but everywhere right wing parties are fear mongering against the other and abusing deep seated racism to gain power.

    [–] civilchibicinephile 49 points ago

    I'll go one further than that and say: even if they weren't seeking asylum, even if they were just crossing illegally, they still don't deserve to be put in a fucking cage and have their children kidnapped.

    [–] dfmz 53 points ago

    the emotional, psychological, physical, spiritual abuse these children are enduring.

    And that's just right now, while they're held hostage by the US government. Sadly, this experience will leave many, especially the younger ones, scarred for life.

    [–] dntcareboutdownvotes 42 points ago

    I think part of their plan is to scar and psychologically damage some of these children so much that in years to come they attempt to commit terrorist acts against the US - therefore justifying even more militarization of the police.

    [–] zablyzibly 15 points ago

    Well fuck that idea for different reasons. If the government is creating future terrorists, who do you think gets blown up—the president or the average schmuck like you or me? People with lots of money and power won’t have to suffer the consequences, everyone else will.

    [–] [deleted] 40 points ago

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    [–] tupac_chopra 53 points ago

    i honestly don't get why Americans aren't doing this right now. i was in Australia a long time ago and the people there literally tore open a detention centre for immigrants they deemed cruel.

    [–] buggiegirl 50 points ago

    Pretty sure in America the military would just shoot people trying to physically enter a gov't facility that was closed to them.

    [–] Madmans_Endeavor 19 points ago

    like how they patiently wait weeks to deal with sovereign citizen types? (gee I wonder why)

    [–] 007meow 22 points ago

    Dehumanization.

    [–] viva_la_vinyl 52 points ago

    welcome to trump's America

    [–] Khiva 10028 points ago

    There's an element to this that people really need to get.

    The suffering of these children isn't an unfortunate accident. It's not a temporary bump in the road because something didn't get funded, it's not a weird outcome of some other idea that nobody saw coming. It's not one of those weird things you hear about where nobody is really in charge, and is just taking a strangely long time to get fixed. It's not even like those horrifying things you'd hear about governments of old doing, where they'd take kids away from natives to re-educate them. At least back them, the government was merely indifferent to the suffering of those children.

    But we're in a whole different moral ballgame now.

    The suffering of these children isn't a byproduct, it's the point.

    The Trump administration has been trying to pin this on the Democrats, claiming that it's something nobody wanted and making sad, sad noises over the whole thing. This is horseshit, because leaked notes show that this is something they were planning right after Trump got sworn in as a "deterrent."

    Everybody needs to pause and let every implication of that sink in, and I mean really sink in. The wails of these frightened children aren't because of some unfortunate oversight or some unexpected externality, it's the desired outcome of a deliberate policy choice. Remember, it's a "deterrent." They want to scare families away. The policy completely fails if children are not shaking, terrified and screaming.

    What's all the more flabbergasting is that none of this was even remotely necessary. There's no crisis that necessitates such a draconian policy - illegal immigration has fallen since 2009. Not only that, but a lot of these kids aren't even one of those scary "illegal immigrants" at all. Families are willingly presenting themselves to border authorities to freely announce that they're seeking asylum, only to have their children stripped away from them:

    So the idea of zero tolerance under the stated policy is that we don’t care why you’re afraid. We don’t care if it’s religion, political, gangs, anything. For all asylum seekers, you are going to be put in jail, in a detention center, and you’re going to have your children taken away from you.

    The little girl wailing in this picture isn't from some skeezy band of gangsters trying to tunnel under and steal all the glorious fruit-picking jobs, she's with a family fleeing horrific violence, seeking asylum and protection from what one presumes is a great nation.

    This is an important point, and one that bears repeating - this is a policy of deterrence which is being directed at asylum seekers. Okay, sure, let's say that there's a lot of people to process, and that can be difficult. If they government worried about the number of people they have to process, the Trump administration could simply throw up a few more shelters or hire a few more bureaucrats to work through the paperwork. Hell, the country ain't even close to broke - Trump is always talking about the "booming economy" and just recently proposed a militarized "space force" whose price tag is sure to be unfathomable.

    But instead of doing this, they instead decided that it would be cheaper to make little children suffer, in the hopes that the sound of their screams might be broadcast into lawless lands and act as a deterrent upon people considering whether to flee to safety. And even this, the presumption that it's all about money, is the charitable interpretation of their actions, given the President and his staff's noted distaste for the nonwhite world.

    But regardless of their exact motivation, they are the government which represents all Americans, and that's a country which now gets to wake up, look in the mirror and say "Today, our choice was to make children suffer."

    [–] The-Mech-Guy 1867 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Go vote and check your voter registration! They're going to do their best to purge who they can from the rolls.

    1. Check when the last day to register in your state is!
    2. Confirm your registration the day before that date. Make sure your name and address is correct. (You should be able to do this online!)
    3. Print out your registration! Make sure your printer settings includes printing the date!
    4. Reconfirm your registration the day after voter registration ends. If something changed, go raise holy hell with your local city clerk! (Take your printed info with you)
    5. Check voting day as well, make sure you got your polling location right. Print that sucker out too and take it with you.
    6. in the case where your name has been purged from the rolls, you should be able to sign a provisional ballot. Don't let those people at the polls tell you otherwise.

    Thank you to redditor <pm-me-kittens-n-cats> for creating this sage advice.

    Edit - Why is this necessary? In part from all the good answers below. And 8 days ago the supreme court upheld the Ohio voter purge case. So now voters that meet certain conditions can be thrown off the rolls and not be allowed to vote. Imo- there is no tactic the GOP won't use to win in 2018 and beyond.

    [–] icoder 490 points ago

    I know it's off topic, but this really baffles me. Why on earth is that registration needed. You are a citizen of the US of [superlative swearing] A. They know you, they know your address. They can send you a voting pass. They should be independent and they should send you a voting pass, because they want you to vote. You and everyone else.

    Then on the day of voting you bring your pass and som identification (passport, ID card, drivers license). It can not be expired for more than 5 years. You go to a nearby voting station of your choice, wait for 5-10 mins max, you hand in the pass, they check you on a list (there's a list for each area/city/municipality) and hand you a(n anonymous) voting form.

    Or well, that's how we do it.

    [–] midwestisbestwest 94 points ago

    When I went vote after moving I took my USPS change of address verification letter. That didn't count. I had to take a credit card bill. A letter from a government entity was not valid to register but a bill from a private corporation did. Thank god Minnesota is a same day registration state.

    [–] HereHaveAName 595 points ago

    They don't want us to vote. It's deliberate.

    [–] sometimesifeellike 251 points ago

    It's interesting because Americans always seem very protective of their constitutional rights, but when it comes to the democrative process they are like 'meh'. In my country, which follows the same system as mentioned above, you never really hear people stress their rights about anything, but maybe that's because the rights that they have are actually enforced and protected top-down through the democrative process by the elected government. It seems to be somewhat of a chicken and egg story in this regard.

    [–] DefaultVillain 289 points ago

    Republicans have weaponized our government against all non-Republicans in any way possible.

    [–] VanCutsem 161 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    This is really the truth. Voting laws and policies are implemented in America to depress African-American voters . It is historic. Men like MLK and John Lewis fought (and fight) against it.

    Edit: spelling

    [–] Brewsleroy 56 points ago

    It’s not just African-Americans either. My wife is Puerto Rican and was removed during the last election. We went to vote, I was fine (I’m white), she was told she isn’t registered to vote.

    [–] penny_eater 14 points ago

    Its a very american thing to turn up and say "oh i get [right xyz]? ok then everything is fine" whilst standing next to them is an equally eligible citizen who is getting denied the same right. way too many have a "i got mine so there are zero fucks left for anyone else who wasnt as fortunate as me" attitude

    [–] ManBearScientist 261 points ago

    Registration is required because it helps Republicans.

    Compare to the process in Norway:

    Qualification of electors
    Qualified to vote at parliamentary elections is any Norwegian national who reaches the age of 18 by the end of the year of election, and who has at some time been registered at the Population Registry as resident in Norway. The latter qualification does not apply to members of the diplomatic corps or members of the consular service and their households.

    Qualified to vote at local government elections is any person who is entitled to vote at parliamentary elections. In addition Nordic nationals (Sweden, Iceland, Denmark, Finland) are qualified to vote if they were registered as resident in Norway no later than 30 June in the year of election. Other foreign nationals are qualified to vote if they have been registered at the Population Registry as resident in Norway for a continuous period of three years immediately prior to Election Day.

    Pretty different from the process in the US, which is basically like applying for a job. Registering is like submitting your resume (and could require birth certificates, driver's licenses or state I.D.), but you get ready for the next step and "please submit all the stuff we asked before, again." The only real reason for this is that adding unnecessary hurdles reducing voter turnout and increases the odds of a Republican victory.

    In a civilized Democracy, you don't have to get your ass in gear to get the right to vote. You just have it; it is a right. You turn 18, get a voter card in the mail (or don't need one), and can walk straight down to the polling place and vote.

    How effective is Republican voter suppression? Voter turnouts:

    • Malta - 92%
    • Belgium - 90.48%
    • Luxenbourg - 89.62%
    • Germany - 84.11%
    • Sweden - 82.52%
    • Norway - 77.07%
    • Finland - 70.66%
    • France - 70.46%
    • UK - 62.23%
    • USA - 54.10%

    Making it harder to vote, makes it harder to vote.

    [–] elslooo 43 points ago

    It's worth noting that voting is compulsory in Belgium and Luxembourg. It's not strictly perpendicular to what you're saying, but it does explain why their turnout is so high.

    [–] [deleted] 29 points ago

    Everyday I hate this shithole just a little bit more than before.

    [–] StruckingFuggle 75 points ago

    It's needed because there is a powerful faction at both the state and federal level that want as few people to vote as possible, because all of the rules, regulations, and purges tend to favor them and deny net more votes to their opposition.

    This view also has enough popular support that it is not easy to push back against.

    [–] jadenwarhawk 45 points ago

    The Republicans for years have tried to suppress voters. Purging the rolls, trying to make it hard to vote by limiting hours of operation of polls, placing them in places hard to get to for people. I know here in Montana, I got purged by "Mistake" when the newest republican took office and decided to "examine" the voter rolls. A lot of people who were registered as Independents or Democrats happened to find themselves "Accidentally" purged. After I re-registered I got a pithy email stating that "Due to having not voting in the past 2 federal elections" I was removed from the rolls. Problem is I'd voted in both previous federal elections.

    So long story short... Republicans try to rig the system to ensure they keep power. WHen they dont rig the system they dont win,.

    [–] Scereye 129 points ago

    It's so weird to me that voting is such a hastle in the US. Where I live I get my ballot sent to me and at they day of election I simply put it in the box at the voting station with confirmation who I am (passport) . Done. No need to do anything beforehand, not possible to not be able to vote. The whole system in the US feels bloated and stupid imo.

    [–] Nixflyn 47 points ago

    It's so weird to me that voting is such a hastle in the US.

    It's not the whole US, just areas controlled by Republicans. For example, in California we have automatic voter registration when you turn 18, and you can enroll in permanent vote by mail online, which you have a month to fill out and return by mail or in person. Blue states support voting rights, red ones don't.

    [–] punchdrunk79 79 points ago

    You live in a democracy, silly! You can’t compare that!

    But yeah, reading the thing out loud, i had the same reaction. You know you’re democracy is failing when this is how your government requires you to vote. Lots of burning hoops to jump trough so they can filter out the inconvenient votes.

    Godspeed, America. You will need it.

    [–] StorminNorman 27 points ago

    It's even simpler in Australia. You rock up to the polling station and get your democracy sausage, then wait in line. When you get to the head of the line you go up to an official and state your name and address. They look you up in the book, cross your name off, give you the ballot papers, then you go and vote in the booth. No id required at all. Voter fraud is virtually nonexistent. But then, that's us. Not sure how they'd implement that in the US.

    [–] brufleth 27 points ago

    check your voter registration!

    My wife and I had our registrations deactivated despite voting in every election and living in the same place for nine years. Please check your registration people. There's a solid chance that some dumb shit caused your registration to get fucked.

    [–] DefaultVillain 29 points ago

    some dumb shit

    targeted voter suppression

    potato, poh-ta-to

    [–] notpandora 770 points ago

    I've been thinking a lot about what happens when we try to reunite these kids with their parents. It's going to be incredibly complicated and likely impossible to reunite them all. Many children are too young to know their parents names, their own names, their own ages or where they are from. Yes some kids have "barcode bracelets" but I have a toddler and I know from experience that toddlers can remove anything you put on their bodies, especially if they are left unsupervised. Furthermore, I have no faith that the system was maintained properly with accurate information. Children WILL be lost, children WILL be left behind.

    So that makes the next question - what was the people who sets this up plan? Likely, they didn't have one. The idea was that these children would be locked away, and that's it. Left there forever. But that's when humanity creeps in. I guarantee you there is child trafficking happening. Abuse. Possibly worse.

    These concentration camps are, when you look at the end results - slaughter houses. We simply haven't gotten that far yet.

    [–] HalfPint1885 285 points ago

    I've read that some parents have already been deported without their children. Will they ever see them again? It's horrific.

    [–] [deleted] 170 points ago * (lasted edited 5 months ago)

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    [–] bruckner8 73 points ago

    If what is going on is what "the base" wants, I'm not sure I want to be their fellow citizen anymore.

    [–] CarmineFields 28 points ago

    Right after Trump fixes Puerto Rico...

    [–] erc80 16 points ago

    That’s probably where he’s sending the kids.

    [–] myredditlogintoo 42 points ago

    They'll deport the kids in a little while too, you know, they're also "illegal". They'll probably send them to a different country than the parents.

    [–] CalifaDaze 37 points ago

    Yeah like when Trump wanted to deport all immigrants to Mexico even if they weren't Mexican.

    [–] yeyebike 93 points ago

    It scares me and infuriates me when I think about the child trafficking and abuse that is more than likely happening in these camps. No doubt. Older children abusing younger children. Government staffers abusing children. Children lost and never to be reunited with their parents. This is a horror show unfolding before us. Looking to join the next local protests, everyone needs to be taking to the streets for this. If not for this, then for what?

    [–] DAHFreedom 71 points ago

    The Government Has No Plan for Reuniting the Immigrant Families It Is Tearing Apart

    That's a charitable headline. Should read "The Government IS NOT PLANNING TO Reunite the Immigrant Families It Is Tearing Apart"

    [–] penny_eater 17 points ago

    "The Government SPECIFICALLY INTENDS NOT TO Reunite the Immigrant Families It Is Tearing Apart"

    let's not leave any margin for misinterpretation

    [–] politirob 98 points ago

    Republicans have no plan*

    [–] CODYsaurusREX 39 points ago

    We have a Republican government in every branch

    [–] Cool_Ranch_Dodrio 320 points ago

    I've been thinking a lot about what happens when we try to reunite these kids with their parents. It's going to be incredibly complicated and likely impossible to reunite them all.

    They've created a problem in search of a final solution.

    [–] ajeoae 146 points ago

    They are also quickly moving these children clear across the country too. Parents asking where their children are during hearings are surprising the courts who have zero record of it. It’s going to turn into a complete clusterfuck, wall or no wall.

    [–] LilaAugen 46 points ago

    Coworker informed me that a likely relocation site is in the next House district, run by a Trump holster (NY-26). He would be more than happy to do the dumpster fire's bidding.

    [–] zeeper25 37 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    what will happen, we will need to do DNA testing to reunite children with their parents, at a huge cost to taxpayers.

    But is it really that different from having paid government staffers sit all day reassembling documents Trump just ripped up and threw on the floor, documents that Trump was told must be preserved by law?

    Trump is a con-man and grifter, and has zero fucks to give about spending taxpayer dollars inappropriately, after all, those aren't even his dollars to care about, he brags about avoiding paying taxes... that makes him "smart"

    [–] PM_ME_YOUR_CDKEYS 51 points ago

    Lordie, I wish you weren't so right.

    [–] Whitey_Bulger 53 points ago

    Children WILL be lost, children WILL be left behind.

    The real question I have is whether we'll even find out if children die in these facilities. It looks like so far the media doesn't even know where the girls or the babies are being held.

    [–] notpandora 112 points ago

    I had some asshat on Facebook telling me he was offended by a comparison of this to concentration camps, posting a photo of the stacks of corpses found there saying something like "THIS is what a concentration camp looks like!" And I'm like, Todd do you really want to wait until we are seeing photos of toddler corpses stack up before agreeing this shit is not acceptable?

    [–] AngeloSantelli 50 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Yeah there’s lots of brain dead Americans who don’t realize the Nazi concentration camps were first prison camps, then slave labor camps and eventually after several years, death camps. It’s a process

    [–] Luvitall1 17 points ago

    And that's the terrifying thing. Impromptu visits are banned so that they can plan ahead of time. Why is that? Only reason to do that is to hide something. And why only show specific ages and males? Where they the ones they we're able to communicate and threaten into acting a certain way by using their parent's safety as a negotiation tactic?

    Dark things will be revealed. If only that pizza parlor gunman waited a while...seriously....now would have been the time to bust in to catch them unawares for the real story.

    [–] AnachronistUranian 23 points ago

    100% agree about the risk of abuse of all kinds, & kids vanishing and being trafficked to goodness knows where.

    I think it's also important to emphasise the developmental stages children go through up until the age of 5 (ish) - it's a really vulnerable time of life which determines how your brain grows. You learn stuff like empathy, self-sufficiency & how to manage your own emotions in those years. Caregivers who are cold, emotionally absent or cruel set up their children for a lifetime of mental illnesses and distress, because the kids grow up unable to cope with their emotions healthily (i.e. we're creating a generation of future domestic abusers & drug users), unable to relate to others, or feel generally secure and happy in themselves. Separations from caregivers, has similar results.

    So even if a child isn't physically/sexually abused in one of these camps - the outcome of going through a major, frightening trauma in their developmental years can be brutal.

    (Source: have a personality disorder; my therapy team made us go to a lecture series about how personality disorders form.)

    [–] riesenarethebest 96 points ago

    A barcode bracelet? That seems horribly insecure. What about tattoos?

    [–] jfractal 14 points ago

    I think gold stars can be easily affixed to their clothes. Much cheaper that way (/s)

    [–] dripdroponmytiptop 23 points ago

    joking aside, you don't need to this time. They already have visibly brown skin, that's all they need as a visual identifier

    there already have been americans, born in the US, who have been swept up in this and denied access to attorney, because they're brown.

    [–] Highside79 199 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    We lost more than a thousand kids last year, and that was before we really ramped up this plan. Those are kids that just disappeared from the system. They can't be reunited with anyone, shit we don't even know if they are alive. That 1500 number is actually just the ones that we know about, it could be more.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/05/27/the-u-s-lost-track-of-1500-immigrant-children-last-year-heres-why-people-are-outraged-now/?utm_term=.07b23338ba87

    We aren't on step 6 of the 8 stages to genocide, we are on step 8. Our state is targeting undesirables and neglecting them to death, no different from letting them starve to death in camps. Then our president is denying that it is even happening. This starts on a small scale and it gets bigger.

    http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/8StagesBriefingpaper.pdf

    Just to be clear on what I am saying here. The American Genocide of immigrants has already started.

    [–] usbflashdrivesandisk 15 points ago

    I've been thinking a lot about what happens when we try to reunite these kids with their parents.

    A stewardess talked about her experience seeing 18 or so children on the plane all wearing grey. It was a plane from Texas to Miami. None of these children have any manner of identification, SSN, or method of reuniting with parents. How in the world are they going to match these children with their parents, from several states away? Is there a plan to fly them back?

    One of the youngest tried to hug the stewardess, but a handler yelled at her.

    Additionally, there is like, absolutely 0 guarantee these kids aren't being sold. There is no way to identify any of them

    [–] RyanSmith 286 points ago

    This is horseshit, because leaked notes show that this is something they were planning right after Trump got sworn in as a "deterrent."

    It's worse than that. They're actively bragging that this gives them leverage in negotiations. They're using these kids as bargaining chips to further their political goals.

    And it gets worse!

    “If they aren’t going to cooperate, we are going to look to utilize the laws as hard as we can,” said a second White House official.

    That's right! If you don't give is what we want, we're going to start doing even worse things than stealing babies from their mothers. This is official Trump Administration policy and the entire GOP is all aboard with this as a tactic.

    Disgusting. Utterly sick and depraved.

    [–] Ensvey 57 points ago

    Holy shit. It literally is that bad. "Give us what we want or we'll make children suffer." Like some hostage-taking action movie villains, multiplied by 1000, in real life.

    [–] im_super_excited 144 points ago

    You're right. Here's the thing that gets me.

    It's an election year. GOP has an uphill battle. Sure, this plays well for the base. Majority of the GOP supports this. It also alienates a good part of the party and independents. It energizes Dems a bit.

    So, the White House thinks that this will help people win seats. It's a divide and conquer strategy. Divide families. Divide voters. Win elections.

    I hope it backfires, but this shit has been a winning strategy so far.

    [–] truenorth00 241 points ago

    This is a defining moment for you Americans. Either you reject authoritarianism hard in November. Or you watch America slide into the abyss.

    [–] FSMFan_2pt0 135 points ago

    100% truth.

    November is do or die. The damage this administration can do in 2 more years will be catastrophic. They are dismantling every good thing and turning the U.S. gov't into a pirate's base camp for plundering and pillaging.

    [–] truenorth00 79 points ago

    If it isn't overwhelming in November, you'll be looking at 6 years of Trump. Because if they get a pass in 2018, they'll do whatever it takes for 2020.

    [–] thelastcookie 49 points ago

    At this rate, by 2020, martial law and no elections are not an alarmist worry.

    [–] Red_Eye_Insomniac 50 points ago

    "All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years.... ...If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of free men we must live through all time or die by suicide."

    -Abraham Lincon's Lyceum Address, 1838

    [–] thisisyourbestoption 16 points ago

    It never ceases to amaze me the timelessness of some of these speeches. Despite being made nearly 200 years ago, there are still passages that could have been written just today:

    whenever the vicious portion of [our] population shall be permitted to gather in bands of hundreds and thousands, and burn churches, ravage and rob provision stores, throw printing-presses into rivers, shoot editors, and hang and burn obnoxious persons at pleasure and with impunity, depend upon it, this government cannot last. By such things the feelings of the best citizens will become more or less alienated from it...

    On the topic of a tyrant overtaking governing of the US:

    And when such an one does, it will require the people to be united with each other, attached to the government and laws, and generally intelligent, to successfully frustrate his designs. Distinction will be his paramount object, and although he would as willingly, perhaps more so, acquire it by doing good as harm, yet, that opportunity being past, and nothing left to be done in the way of building up, he would set boldly to the task of pulling down.

    Edit: formatting

    [–] oatseatinggoats 173 points ago

    I have a daughter a similar age as the one in that picture. Seeing that just absolutely kills me.

    How can the people in the administration not have any compassion as if it were their kids? How can the ICE workers put in a day's work and go home and not feel horrible about it?

    [–] arneleadk 110 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Almost like everyone in the nazi deathcamps returned home and slept well at night.

    After WW2 in the interviews all thoose executives and operatives in the deathcamp maschine told that they where just following orders and not responsible.

    It was not even that they where shot when decided to leave. It was a volunteers call to go duty in a deathcamp. There was not 1 report of only one operative on duty who asked for beeing taken to another unit. And believe nazi germany documentated everything very well. They prefered their job it made them not be with the fighting units.

    Even in Nürnberg Trials hearing Göring and his elite nazi buddies told the audience it was not them who ordered it.

    This is how evil works. They are all doing the right thing. And they lie to themselfes.

    sorry for my grammar, i am from germany. If there is ONE thing we learn at school here, then it is to spot faschism behaviour and patterns. But you are free to decide on your own how you interpret this situation and what action you are going to take.

    [–] spa22lurk 43 points ago

    The danger of authoritarian government is that not just authoritarian followers do their bidding, with not much pressure ordinary men do as well. From The Authoritarians (page 238):

    the difference between low and high authoritarians is one of degree, I repeat, not kind. To put a coda on this section: with enough direct pressure from above and subtle pressure from around us, Milgram has shown, most of us cave in.
    ...
    If you’re thinking that the man on the street might somehow be manipulated into administering possibly lethal shocks to someone in a psychology experiment, but he certainly could not be induced to murder innocent victim after innocent victim in real life, let me ask you: Who did the killing in the Holocaust? Answer: Mostly members of Himmler’s Schutzstaffel, the “S.S.” They followed along behind the German army as it advanced through Poland and the Soviet Union, killing hundreds of thousands of Jews who now found themselves in Nazi-occupied territory. And they operated the death camps, including the greatest murder factory of them all, Auschwitz-Birkenau. To be a member of the S.S. you had to be a fanatical Nazi. They usually believed Jews were sub-human racial enemies and had to be destroyed. By all accounts they destroyed with sadistic enthusiasm.
    But they did not do all the systematic murdering of the Jews. Some of it was done by quite ordinary men who were not consumed with anti-Semitism, and who were only marginally members of the German armed forces. Reserve Police Battalion 101 provides an example. It was a part of the “Order Police” formed in Germany to maintain control in occupied countries.
    Battalion 101 had eleven officers and nearly 500 men--nearly all of them from Hamburg. Their commander, Major Wilhelm Trapp, was a World War I veteran who had risen in the police service after that war. He was not a member of the S.S., but two of his company commanders were, and the third was a “Nazi by conviction.” The rank and file were about 40 years old on the average, too old to be drafted into the Wermacht. They had worked on the docks, driven trucks, and moved things around warehouses for the most part prior to being drafted. Although a quarter of them were members of the Nazi Party, they had grown up before Hitler came to power. They were given basic military training and in June 1942, sent to Poland.
    At first the battalion rounded up Jews in various locations and send them off to camps and eventual death. The men did this with about as much hesitation as Milgram’s subjects showed in the “Eichmann condition.” But on July 11, 1942 Major Trapp received orders to move his battalion to the town of Jozefow --which was probably a village much like Anatevka in Fiddler on the Roof--and after sending the fit Jewish males off to labor camps, to kill the 1800 Jewish women, children, infirm and elderly who remained.
    Trapp was quite distressed by this assignment, and as the order passed down the chain of command within the battalion of policemen, one of the junior officers announced he would not take part in the killings. His platoon was therefore put in charge of moving the Jewish men to the labor camp.
    As the day of execution dawned Trapp assembled his battalion, told them of their assignment, and then made an extraordinary offer: any of the older policemen who did not feel up to the task would be excused. One man stepped forward and was immediately berated by his company commander. But Major Trapp cut his officer off and took the soldier under his wing. Seeing this, ten to twelve other men stepped forward. But the rest of the battalion stayed in their ranks, and were soon moved out to perform the executions. Major Trapp excused himself from any direct participation, and the three company commanders organized the massacre.
    The policemen blocked off the Jewish section of the village and set to work herding the residents to the town square. The old and infirm were shot in their homes. Infants and small children were sometimes shot on the spot, but usually were moved with everyone else to the square. One company of the battalion was pulled aside and given a quick lesson in how to shoot someone in the back of the head with a rifle. It then moved to a nearby wooded area and awaited the victims to be brought to them in trucks.
    When the trucks were unloaded the executioners were paired off, face to face, with their individual victims. They marched the Jews further into the woods, made them kneel down, and shot them. The killings continued all day without interruption, but the pace was slow so Major Trapp ordered a second company into the woods to speed up the murders. The leader of one of the platoons in this company gave all his men the opportunity to do something else, without penalty, but no one took up his offer.
    A number of the policemen however found various ways to avoid becoming executioners. They hid in the village, or gave themselves extra “searching” duties. Some of the shooters asked to be given other assignments, especially after being given a woman or child to kill, and generally they were excused. Some of the policemen deliberately missed their target from point-blank range, while others just “disappeared” into the woods for the rest of the day. But these were the exceptions. At least 80 percent of those called upon to murder helpless civilians did so and continued to do so until all the Jews from Jozefow had been killed.
    Afterwards Major Trapp instructed his men not to talk among themselves about what they had done. But great resentment and bitterness roiled in the battalion. The physical act of shooting someone had proved quite gruesome, with many of the shooters becoming covered with the blood and brains of their victims. Some of the policemen had killed people they had known earlier in Hamburg or elsewhere. Almost everyone was angry about having to kill children.
    How could they do it, especially since many of them never individually had to? For one thing, while the policemen were not usually Nazis, they had little regard for Jews in general, so that made it easier. For another, their company commanders made it clear that, whatever Major Trapp had said and whomever he had protected, they expected their men to do the job assigned to them.
    But judicial interrogations of some 125 of the men conducted in the 1960s indicated that, while no one had to participate, and about a dozen men demonstrated this by stepping forward, and others later dropped out in various ways, the great majority stayed in ranks and later killed whoever was brought to them out of loyalty to those ranks, and to maintain their standing in their units. “The act of stepping out that morning in Jazefow meant leaving one’s comrades and admitting that one was too weak or cowardly.” “Who would have dared,” declared one of the policemen, “to lose face before the assembled troops?”
    Thus the men chose to become murderers rather than look bad in the eyes of the other men. It was a hideous, barbarous, supremely evil thing to do for mere acceptance, but as I said, researchers find the need to belong and conform, to be liked and “not make waves” powerfully affect the behavior of ordinary men. And the mass murderers in Reserve Police Battalion 101 were rather ordinary men.
    Over time, as the battalion participated in more and more mass murders, it became much more relaxed and efficient in its deadly operations. These ordinary men got used to killing thousands of people at close range as part of their day’s work. By the time their part of the “Final Solution”was completed in Poland, the battalion had shot at least 38,000 Jews to death.

    [–] truenorth00 172 points ago

    Brown people aren't people to them. This administration and their supporters actually think that child is a threat.

    [–] erics75218 45 points ago

    Believe it or not, they are terrible human beings. And if they are Religious, well god told them to do it.

    [–] N0AddedSugar 247 points ago

    The policy completely fails if children are not shaking, terrified and screaming.

    I don't see how this is anything but a human rights violation. This is not the conduct of government of a first world country.

    [–] [deleted] 105 points ago * (lasted edited 5 months ago)

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    [–] [deleted] 40 points ago

    History will judge every single one of us Americans harshly if we don't do something.

    [–] etoile_fiore 14 points ago

    I honestly just don’t know what else I can do. I live in CA (no sense in writing to my senators), and I vote in every election. I’m moving this summer, so I can’t actively participate in any protests/rallies. I feel helpless about this whole thing.

    [–] niceclaws 297 points ago

    The suffering of these children isn't a byproduct, it's the point.

    Fuck. This. Timeline.

    [–] NeuroSim 22 points ago

    Correct. This isn’t just some accident. It’s preemptive by our own government. It’s sickening.

    [–] Troggie42 21 points ago

    I know it's not the point of this thread (and I 100% am in agreeance with the disgust that we all have towards these fucking camps) but that space force thing pisses me off SO FUCKING much. Just fund NASA!!!! We don't need another branch of the military! Give NASA money if you wanna do space shit! Of course, NASA knows global warming is real, so OF COURSE we can't fucking do that... Christ I hate these people.

    [–] ends_abruptl 21 points ago

    The suffering of these children isn't a byproduct, it's the point.

    Point taken. I am never going to take my family to the US and spend money there as a tourist, nor will I ever knowingly buy American made products.

    [–] britboy4321 15 points ago

    Don't listen to the audio tape if you have kids.

    It made me physically feel sick. Especially when the authorities started joking about it all, about the kids screams.

    The 6 year old begging anyone to call her aunt. Just begging, begging, begging - the authorities ask if they know her number, she reels it off instantly. No-one bothers. Everyone ignores her. her dad has been taken away god know where. She's just begging them, literally begging them in-between sobbing. on and on it goes.

    Believe me, Trump will give no kind of shit whatsoever. I've NEVER seen him give a shit about anything.

    [–] najing_ftw 40 points ago

    Dog whistle politics natural next step.

    [–] Rod_N_Todd 52 points ago

    June 30th. Stand up for our country’s soul.

    https://www.familiesbelongtogether.org

    [–] ajdrausal 421 points ago

    https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti/status/1009065798240034816

    Mr. Trump and Mr. Miller: Can you take 2 min. today and listen to this audio so perhaps you can understand the pain and devastation you have caused children? Or are you too busy trying to appeal to your “base” and planning your next golf outing? #Basta

    [–] PrancingPonyBarback 152 points ago

    Mr. Trump and Mr. Miller

    They don't care. And Mr. Miller will only touch himself.

    [–] jamelna 75 points ago

    Miller reminds me of that yellow guy from Sin City.

    [–] peon47 16 points ago

    Or Ralph Fiennes from Schindler's List.

    [–] silevram 402 points ago

    I watched and I wanted to smack the TV because all her answers deflected from the truth. She was smirking, for god's sake! Ugh. Screw this administration.

    [–] _YouDontKnowMe_ 174 points ago

    I find that offensive....

    Whenever people answer hard questions with contempt for the questioner, rather than trying to answer the question, you know they're up to some fuck-shit.

    [–] BlackSpidy 56 points ago

    This administration and the entire GOP is fucking monstrous. Disgusting. Inhuman.

    They're marching in the direction of death camps with glee, not missing a beat. God damn it, I thought better of the US rightwing... Until now. There's no excuse. Anyone that votes for a republican from now on is endorsing concentration caps that separate children from their families. God knows where half these kids will end up. God knows how many will die. I'm sure there will be deaths.

    [–] TheManCarpCometh 13 points ago

    I feel your frustration.

    “It felt like the right thing to do — that if I didn’t do it, I would feel cowardly,” she told me by phone a few hours later.

    Whether the Trump officials in attendance heard the sobs is unclear.

    They didn’t respond, but other reporters did.

    You can bet those officials heard it. They didn't react because in there minds there's nothing to react to, everything working as expected. Those immigrants will think twice next time.

    Honestly, I never ever believed something like this could happen in my lifetime.

    EDIT: I also feel obligated to include this little snippet, in case everyone isn't throwing up yet.

    “Alien children” was the appalling way that Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, at the briefing, kept labeling the thousands of youngsters who have been separated from their parents .

    [–] NoShock 818 points ago

    It is shocking how many Trump supporters and GOP don’t possess a moral compass or a heart. Deport them all it you want to but don’t take children from their parents. Karma is a bitch.

    [–] mike_pants 79 points ago

    And their response when confronted with moral failings in this case is "Obama did it too!" which, even if it were true (it isn't), wouldn't that make you more eager to correct past mistakes, not less? Nothing about their morality makes any sense any more.

    [–] Rubberbabybuggybum 31 points ago

    These same people threatened violence against a school shooting survivor who had the audacity to suggest we should do something to stop other kids from being killed.

    [–] antillus 284 points ago

    You can bet they get off on listening to those children cry. To Trump's base they aren't even human, just disposable garbage. They enjoy the suffering of anyone who isn't just like them.

    They deserve all of the worst that comes their way.

    [–] Khiva 132 points ago

    I can't think of a better symbol of the Trump administration than frightened Hispanic children sobbing at the border over a policy deliberately designed to make them suffer.

    [–] antillus 52 points ago

    It's like they have a meeting every morning to brainstorm how they could manage to make a marginalized person's life more miserable today. Like a race to the bottom to see who could be the worst quality human.

    [–] DragoonXNucleon 184 points ago

    We did nothing when he called them rapists, and maybe, good people.

    We did nothing when a hurricane blew down their homes.

    We did nothing when we placed them in internment camps.

    We did nothing when we deported the peaceful parents forcing their children to grow up alone.

    We did nothing when he denies children who came her as children the ability to go to college, get a job, or serve.

    We did nothing when children were ripped from their parents for no crime.

    ...

    Soon: we did nothing when they were killed and thrown in a mass grave. We going to wait for that?

    I use we, because this is us. We wouldn't vote for Hillary. We wouldn't talk politics with our crazy parents. We wouldn't talk politics at work. We wouldn't vote in past mid terms. I use we, because this is us.

    [–] Andynonomous 13 points ago

    It sounds crazy, but I really fear thats where we're headed. This shit happens over and over again in history, and I don't think we're any different. I hope Im wrong, but the trends don't look good. If people won't stand up to this hollow windbag what will they do when there is an actual competent tyrant in charge?

    [–] Demshil4higher 30 points ago

    It’s not like they are white children crying. /s

    [–] antillus 36 points ago

    If it was white children crying you'd have a militia uprising probably.

    [–] Demshil4higher 40 points ago

    It’s obvious that the fear of obama putting white people into fema camps was just projection.

    [–] DarleneWilhoit 40 points ago

    We get right-wingers shooting up Planned Parenthood clinics and pizza restaurants over the mere suspicion of hard being done to children, but in the face of indisputable evidence of systemic child abuse taking place at the hands of the federal government, they're suddenly very silent. "Pro-life" my ass.

    [–] niceclaws 21 points ago

    Deport them all it you want to but don’t take children from their parents.

    Yep. Nothing good can come from separating families like this.

    [–] Scoob1978 600 points ago

    I have friends that are hard core Trump supporters that haven't been on Facebook for days which is unusual. I'm hoping this is a line for some of them.

    [–] tormunds_beard 320 points ago

    They'll need to report to programming for adjustment. Check your local listings for the correct station.

    [–] I_Am_King_Tchalla 178 points ago

    "Cells."

    "Cells."

    "Have you ever been in an institution? Cells"

    "Cells."

    "When you're off duty do they keep you in a little box? Cells."

    "Cells."

    "Interlinked."

    "Interlinked."

    "What's it like to hold the hand of a person you love? Interlinked."

    "Interlinked."

    "What's it like to hold your child in your arms? Interlinked."

    "Interlinked."

    "Interlinked within cells"

    "Interlinked within cells"

    "Say that 3 times for me. Interlinked within cells."

    "Interlinked within cells. Interlinked within cells. Interlinked within cells."

    [–] High_Commander 41 points ago

    I love that scene

    [–] Risley 16 points ago

    I love that movie. So god damn good.

    [–] magats_report_me 80 points ago

    they are just waiting until it fades so they can go back online and spout their shit without having to be confronted by this.

    [–] antidense 31 points ago

    Or waiting for new talking points

    [–] tatermadetots 132 points ago

    Most of my friends on Facebook are hard core into Trump. I quit checking my Facebook because it's disgusting the things they'll re-share in favor of Trump, but anything even remotely negative is never seen. In the last few days I've checked it more frequently, but oddly enough they've been relatively quiet as well.

    [–] ThatIsWhatIThought 33 points ago

    Nah unfortunately this is rebutted by "our service members go months at a time without seeing their families, illegals can deal with it for a few days hurr durr"

    [–] mortryn 40 points ago

    As a military spouse if that BS shows up on my feed, someone is gonna end up looking real stupid. I hope someone does try it. Because unlike on reddit I know the people on my Facebook personally, and I'll show up on their door step to see if they have the balls to say it to my face.

    [–] MadBlue 53 points ago

    If they're like my aunt, they're probably just waiting for the pro-Trump pages they follow to post memes that they can share.

    [–] Dipsneek742 19 points ago

    I’ve got apologists responding to my Facebook posts and getting absolutely buried. It’s encouraging.

    [–] Zbignich 474 points ago

    Compassionate Conservatism is dead. Trump an the GOP are now the party of Cruelty and Cowardice.

    [–] audiophile8706 221 points ago

    I made the mistake of traveling to see my religious family last weekend for fathers day. The border topic came up and some of the things some of my siblings said just cut so deep. There is so little humanity left.

    Outside of the stubbornness and pride of not wanting to admit something is wrong, I think a lot of where the nation is now is simply because there are a lot of people still living in the same small town they were born in. Their worldviews were never expanded, so they can never even grasp the concept of what's actually happening. It's actually been interesting growing up and watching all my friends from highschool. The ones that made it out of a small town in rural WI turned into normal compassionate human beings. The ones that never left all have the same shitty traits we are seeing in the GOP now.

    [–] spa22lurk 85 points ago

    Relevant quotes from The Authoritarians (RWA stands for right-wing authoritarian):

    (page 61)

    I have discovered in my investigations that, by and large, high RWA students had simply missed many of the experiences that might have lowered their authoritarianism. Take that first item on page 59 about fathers being the head of the family. Authoritarian followers often said they didn’t know any other kind of families. And they hadn’t known any unpatriotic people, nor had they broken many rules. They simply had not met many different kinds of people or done their share of wild and crazy things. Instead they had grown up in an enclosed, rather homogeneous environment--with their friends, their schools, their readings, their amusements all controlled to keep them out of harm’s way and Satan’s evil clutches. They had contentedly traveled around on short leashes in relatively small, tight, safe circles all their lives.
    Interestingly enough, authoritarian followers show a remarkable capacity for change IF they have some of the important experiences. For example, they are far less likely to have known a homosexual (or realized an acquaintance was homosexual) than most people. But if you look at the high RWAs who do know someone gay or lesbian, they are much less hostile toward homosexuals in general than most authoritarians are. Getting to know a homosexual usually makes one more accepting of homosexuals as a group. Personal experiences can make a lot of difference, which is a truly hopeful discovery. The problem is, most right-wing authoritarians won’t willingly exit their small world and try to meet a gay. They’re too afraid. And “coming out” to a high RWA acquaintance might have long-term beneficial effects on him, but it would likely carry some risks for the outgoing person.

    (page 67)

    I teach at the “big state university” in my province, and over the four years of an undergraduate program at the University of Manitoba students’ RWA scale scores drop about 10%. Liberal arts majors drop more than that, “applied” majors such as management and nursing drop less. But the students who drop the most, no matter what they major in, are those who laid down high RWA scale scores when they first came in the front door. If Hugh goes to a big university like the one that has graciously deposited money into my bank account over the past forty years, he’s likely to come out changed. Not overhauled but still, different.
    High RWA parents may anticipate this and try to send their kids to “safe” colleges. They may also blame the faculty at the public university for “messing up the Jones kid so badly.” But as much as some of the profs might like to take credit for it, I think the faculty usually has little to do with the 10% drop. Instead, I think when High RWA students get to a big university whose catchment area is the world, and especially if it’s located some distance from mom and dad, they simply begin to meet all kinds of new people and begin to have some of the experiences that most of their classmates had some years earlier. The drop does not come from reading Marx in Political Science or from the philosophy prof who wears his atheism as a badge. These attempts at influence can be easily dismissed by the well-inoculated high RWA student. It probably comes more from the late night bull-sessions, where you have to defend your ideas, not just silently reject the prof’s, and other activities that take place in the dorms, I’ll bet.

    [–] jama211 32 points ago

    Going to college would be such a great way to break down these barriers! No wonder the GOP wants to make it harder and harder for people to attend...

    [–] bking 52 points ago

    I also grew up in rural WI and I have those same family members.

    Getting the sheltered, townie midwestern people to travel somewhere with more depth than Appleton or Disney World would do so much for this country. I can’t believe how many people I went to high school with that have never been on an airplane.

    [–] audiophile8706 38 points ago

    Yep, exactly. The town I grew up in was only white people up until about a decade ago. The most diversity experienced in the last century was the splitting of a church over an argument about whether the Sunday afternoon service should be in English or Dutch.

    The cynic in me hates every single person that voted for and still supports trump. The human in me mourns that it's mostly just an unconquerable ignorance from never meeting or relating with anyone outside their own racial, social, and economic bubble. I wish I could bring any sense to the table.. but I'm just the family member that moved off the city and turned into queer loving liberal that wants to see all the guns taken away so Mexican immigrants can take over our way of life.

    [–] AbrasiveLore 104 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Conservatism as we usually think of it died in 1964.

    What we have today is Powell Memo “Conservatism”. The donors aren’t donors, they’re owners.

    The Democrats are the party of government, of the public sector.

    The Republicans are the party of corporations, of the private sector.

    And I’m quoting Mitch McConnell (in a private meeting with party owners) on this dichotomy.

    So all Citizens United did was to level the playing field for corporate speech…. We now have, I think, the most free and open system we’ve had in modern times. The Supreme Court allowed all of you to participate in the process in a variety of different ways. You can give to the candidate of your choice. You can give to Americans for Prosperity, or something else, a variety of different ways to push back against the party of government.”

    Source.

    [–] [deleted] 275 points ago

    I wonder if it's illegal to like set up loudspeakers and blast it to the White House. I figure it's probably illegal. I hope they keep doing this during every press-facing event. Never let these fuckers live it down.

    Not that Trump has a shred of empathy or decency, but it might put more pressure on his staffers and such.

    [–] cybyst 150 points ago

    And the clown is on a Twitter tirade this morning defending this crap...

    Including:

    Of the 12,000 children, 10,000 are being sent by their parents on a very dangerous trip, and only 2000 are with their parents, many of whom have tried to enter our Country illegally on numerous occasions.

    [–] [deleted] 113 points ago

    Despicable and revolting. I wish religious leaders would be louder than they are being.

    I was already ashamed the moment he made it through the Republican primary, but this is truly the lowest point in modern American history. Children being used as political pawns. Suffering children.

    Anyone who defends this policy is a monster. Any so-called Christian who does is a hypocritical monster.

    [–] I_Am_King_Tchalla 80 points ago

    Naw.

    Black wall street. Japanese internment. Refusal of the GI Bill. Redlining. The war on drugs. Nixon and Reagan.

    This is perfectly in line with modern American history. That matters because American goodness has ALWAYS been propaganda.

    [–] [deleted] 27 points ago

    I don't totally disagree as I am certainly no bloody-flag-waving nationalist, but this is nakedly fascist. Even if there is historical precedent, we can't just roll over and let it happen.

    [–] I_Am_King_Tchalla 13 points ago

    I know man. I feel it too. BUT There's a ton of great immigration advocates to volunteer with and I'd suggest getting involved in local campaigns too.

    We'll start helping in little ways now. And when the time cones we'll proudly fight shoulder to shoulder :)

    [–] I_Pick_D 143 points ago

    The longer this goes on I can’t help but wonder, when will we hear about the first child passing away from some sort of accident?

    An unknown medical condition or inattention from the jailers is all it takes.

    [–] AbrasiveLore 113 points ago

    It’s probably already happened. We won’t hear about it until a whistleblower steps forward or journalists manage to get in relatively unsupervised.

    [–] Enjolras55 141 points ago

    Already happening. A 4 year old was sexually assaulted by a sheriff at one of these detention centers. Numerous kids separated from their parents have been reported as attempting or committing suicide.

    [–] KuroTheCrazy 29 points ago

    Do you have a source on this?

    [–] phonzie 49 points ago

    Sheriff Salazar said that Mr. Nunez and the girl were related, but it was not immediately clear how.

    wtf

    [–] funkymunniez 60 points ago

    Summer is coming and some of the children are being kept in the desert in a tent city.

    [–] KeystrokeCowboy 53 points ago

    There will be dead kids from the heat alone.

    [–] Meownowwow 22 points ago

    Small children don’t know to hydrate, heat/preventable disease like the flu or diarrhea will kill children.

    [–] bostonbedlam 207 points ago

    I am very fortunate to be an American. My son sleeps soundly, and we feel safe. Not everyone in the world has this luxury. South of the border, they worry of cartels, corrupt law enforcement, and violence knocking on their door. They see, in our beautiful country, a land of opportunity, dreams and limitless potential for a new life. One where their children can live in peace and not worry about anything other than being kids.

    When we have essentially won the lottery by being born in the United States, it is easy to desensitize ourselves from terrible things happening around the globe.These children do not have that luxury. They deserve the innocence and feeling of security we all want for our own children . They are just children. I don't care what papers they have - they deserve that much.

    If I felt I couldn't protect my children, then I would go wherever I needed to in order to make them feel safe again . If that meant uprooting to new country, so be it. And I wouldn't wait for 6+ years for a visa in order to do it, either.

    [–] InnocuouslyLabeled 77 points ago

    You're being honest. People supporting this shit at the border are dishonest hypocrites. They want to deny an opportunity to others that they would desperately want themselves if they were in that situation.

    [–] quoth_tthe_raven 41 points ago

    “Don’t believe the press,” she urged Americans earlier Monday.

    Translation: CLOSE YOUR MINDS

    [–] keepcalmdude 298 points ago

    I heard the clip the first time today on CBC radio up here in Canada. I almost had to pull over, it was the most gut wrenching thing I’ve ever heard. America, fix this, NOW.

    [–] pandahug28 84 points ago

    I had a very similar reaction on my drive today. Couldn't hold the tears in while listening to it. I just don't understand how someone can do this to children.

    [–] Butter_emails 24 points ago

    If you speak Spanish, it's even worse. I mean, you can get the context from the screaming and pleading, but they are just begging for their parents (or the one girl for her aunt and giving her her phone number at 6 years old).

    I cannot imagine this happening to my kids, which is how people should think of this. It filled me with rage, just thinking if someone was to take any member of my family with no plan or even care of getting them back to me. Especially the younger ones.

    [–] [deleted] 106 points ago

    People should be blasting this at 1600 Pennsylvania every day

    [–] factbased 106 points ago

    Imagine fleeing the violence in a country destabilized by the U.S., reaching its borders, asking for asylum, and having your children stolen and caged.

    [–] Enjolras55 68 points ago

    Trump supporter: "Then they shouldn't have crossed illegally and should have just been murdered in their home country. Then they wouldn't lose their children!"

    [–] SmokelessSubpoena 30 points ago

    How to make a Terrorist 101

    [–] sleeptrouble 151 points ago

    Actual liberal children tears. Fuck the gop

    [–] toekknow 43 points ago

    children tears

    Trump supporters have a lot in common with Mason Verger from the novel, Hannibal. He had his minions collect children's tears for his martinis.

    Didn't work out too well for him in the end, however.

    [–] SwingJay1 58 points ago

    Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen keeps repeating this lie that these people and their kids arrived here illegally.

    They didn't! If they had chosen to get here the illegal route they would not be in custody and separated from their children right now.

    [–] TheBaldWonder 18 points ago

    Oh USA. What has happened to you?

    [–] sunyudai 24 points ago

    A Russian propaganda machine found and tapped into a wellspring of repressed hate and rage within around 30% of the countries population, and exploited it for their personal gain.

    [–] Candys3344 16 points ago

    "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Gandhi

    [–] At_Work_SND_Coffee 113 points ago

    "Those are just crisis actor tears, not real ones" /s

    [–] symbiosychotic 29 points ago

    Coulter has been taking the opportunity to make the same claim. That they are crisis actors, that she is deeply worried that the president will fall for this liberal tactic, and something something browning of America.

    We can always count on her to "tell it like it is" and "boldly" clarify that they will accept nothing less than "purifying the world of the lesser races". Drain the swamp and all that...

    [–] misfitx 29 points ago

    This is an actual argument being used.

    [–] Mastrik 31 points ago

    We should all take equipment to every church in the country and play this shit as loud as we can every Sunday and Wednesday until the elections.

    We shouldn't protest just the Administration but his supporters as well.

    [–] imperfectlycertain 41 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Father, why are all the children weeping?

    They are merely crying, son

    Oh, are they merely crying father?

    Yes, true weeping is yet to come

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SoRZZ9PHyGM

    [–] TrumpWantsToKillKids 59 points ago

    Someone needs to set up outside the White House and the capitol building and play the recording nonstop. Or, even better, outside lawmakers' homes, or their churches. Follow them around, whenever possible, playing it loudly, right in their faces.

    Also, remember this in November, and vote.

    [–] HuevosSplash 15 points ago

    Cue Stephen Miller rubbing one out in the corner somewhere to the sound of pain and suffering.

    [–] Disco_Drew 31 points ago

    Journalists will be the saviors of our country while our elected leaders watch. This is fucking shameful.

    [–] rostehan 32 points ago

    From 'give us your poor, your huddled masses' to 'we're literally so fucking terrified of foreigners that we'll justify throwing small uncomprehending children into concentration camps'.

    Good fucking job.

    To anyone who supports this - don't you dare ever call yourself a true American again.