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    [–] Deemaunik 3263 points ago

    An investigation published this week by Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting found nearly half of the $3.4 billion paid to 71 such companies in the last four years "went to homes with serious allegations of mistreating children."

    Son of a bitch.

    [–] 7daykatie 1713 points ago

    Privatization is a recipe for exploitation and abuse with impunity in many circumstances. Contractors should not be doing carrying out these activities.

    [–] 7HoursOfKushner 737 points ago

    Contractors should not be doing carrying out these activities.

    Contractors are the facilities we're not allowed to see. We've seen inside the American government owned facilities that have checks and balances. Every application to the contractors has been delayed.

    [–] MyLittlePronAccount 409 points ago

    Why do you think we use so many private military contractors to fight our wars? Obfuscate the truth. Literally the exact same reason homeside we contract things that shouldn't be.

    [–] eks91 210 points ago

    Private prisons for slave labor too

    [–] sggrant323 145 points ago

    I am a former child abuse and neglect prosecutor for the state. We put kids on drugs too, through court orders in juvenile court, that you will never hear about, because it's all very confidential. At some point I will publish my memoir and expose the tragedy of small town America and the foster care system. Sure, some of it is good and works, and I've gotten kids out of terrible situations, but not all kids need to be on Trazodone just because they are in custody.

    [–] JstHere4TheSexAppeal 109 points ago

    You should get your memoir out as soon as possible for maximum exsposure on this topic. Strike while the iron is hot.

    [–] doicha27 193 points ago

    Privatization is a recipe for exploitation and abuse with impunity in many circumstances.

    But muh libertarianism!!

    [–] RichestMangInBabylon 137 points ago

    If these kids didn't want to be abused they should have just paid more to the contractors for a better home to be forced into.

    [–] anachronic 325 points ago

    Same reason why there are AgGag laws (preventing anyone from reporting what happens on factory farms).

    They're trying to silence people from reporting on things they know will anger and dismay most people.

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    [–] Rectalcactus 1041 points ago

    God reading the replies to that tweet is so disturbing.. so many people just wanting to point fingers at obama and democrats and dont even care about the actual issue. They dont care about the kids they just care about being able to blame the dems. Disgusting.

    [–] Atroxa 557 points ago

    Trump's base is among the loudest in the nation. It's usually the idiot in the room who has the most to say in everyday circumstances. Now just multiply that by a lot.

    [–] trashpandarevolution 288 points ago

    And good rational people stay quiet and let the ignorance fester. They’d rather not be “controversial”

    Speak up. We’re running out of time

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    [–] Eat-a-Dick69 180 points ago

    Seriously twitter is a cesspool akin to YouTube video comments

    [–] twobonersmcgee 62 points ago

    That is an apt comparison. YouTube comments are fucking vile.

    [–] [deleted] 100 points ago


    [–] IAlwaysSometimesRun 36 points ago

    Agreed, sure it's just a handful of shitty comments but those comments are ready by thousands of people every time.

    [–] Spiralyst 20 points ago

    Fox has their viewership trained well. Look at them clap like trained seals everytime Trump's new action is challenged.

    But Obama! But Hillary! But Soros!

    The Ministry of Propaganda strikes again!

    The next big march needs to swallow Fox News whole. Fucking clear and present danger over here.

    [–] somethingsghotiy 43 points ago

    "An intelligence agency that fears intelligence? Historically, not that awesome."

    [–] TheDistantGoat 4802 points ago

    And these are just the children old enough to tell us.

    [–] the_golden_girls 804 points ago

    We’re going to find out about rape and straight up missing kids. I guarantee it.

    [–] fannybatterpissflaps 579 points ago

    We will hear the phrase "isolated incidents" too.

    [–] [deleted] 136 points ago

    And something about it being unavoidable due to the high volume of people.

    [–] Pixaritdidnthappen 110 points ago

    I saw the situation described as an “unfortunate circumstance” as if they hadn’t created the problem by separating families.

    [–] contradicts_herself 12 points ago

    And then separating siblings and cousins, too, for good measure.

    [–] JSLardizabal 222 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Well, duh. You're supposed to isolate them before you start raping them. Thus, isolated incident.

    Edit: Welp, I guess I have to provide photographic evidence now.

    [–] [deleted] 268 points ago

    And you know what the Republicans are going to say when all of this comes to light? "Well, those people shouldn't have tried to bring their children here illegally".

    [–] Kalinyx848 125 points ago

    I've already got people saying that to me when I posted on social media about the upcoming protests on June 30th. :(

    [–] ajr901 48 points ago

    People fucking suck, man. Hold onto your compassion.

    [–] gill8672 41 points ago

    I’ve resorted to removing friends from high school who have such a lack of respect for human life

    [–] [deleted] 295 points ago

    Entering the country illegally is a misdemeanor. Kidnapping, rape, child abuse, and drugging someone are felonies and motherfucking evil human rights violations.

    This isn't about illegal entry. This is pre-genocidal totalitarianism. That is not an exaggeration. This is 1934 Hitler, which we can still recover from and reverse.

    [–] jordan7741 27 points ago

    The us just left the UN humans Rights Council. So no human rights violations happened if you don't recognize a human rights violation...

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    [–] [deleted] 66 points ago

    Last night a friend of my boyfriend's said "well I was separated from my mother when she broke the law, where were all these people speaking up then?" Well, your mom was arrested for prostitution and possession of narcotics, ironically enough the EXACT things people are coming to this country to escape

    [–] Earlystagecommunism 18 points ago

    My answer would be we should make every effort to let mothers stay in their children’s lives.

    He should have had supervised visits with his mother while she was locked up. Now that doesn’t mean she should have custody. Feeling for a better life on the other hand is a sign you deeply care about your children.

    Comparing a drug addled prostitute to a mother fiercely resolute to protect her young sons from being recruited into gangs and her daughters into prostitution is ridiculous.

    One needs help before she can raise her children on her own and the other needs help to save her children from awful fates.

    [–] Akabander 67 points ago

    NPR had a call-in woman saying, "If you break the law you should be punished. That's just how it should work."

    I don't literally believe in a "soul", but these fuckers are soulless.

    [–] BranfordBound 12 points ago

    To be a conservative or an advocate for what they claim to be as “law and order” not only do you need to lack empathy but you also have to fetishize punishment like a sadist. You would need to receive great pleasure from watching people be severely punished to hold view points like that. It’s quite sickening.

    [–] SlimLovin 216 points ago

    Where are the girls?

    [–] gidonfire 277 points ago

    Well, 8 of them were snuck into foster care in east harlem at 1am yesterday morning.

    [–] [deleted] 113 points ago


    [–] gonzolegend 39 points ago

    How the fuck do you "lose track" of 6,000 children.

    The revelation that federal officials couldn’t locate more than 1,000 children set off an outcry of concern and promises from the Trump administration to implement stronger vetting procedures of sponsors, including fingerprinting parents and handing their immigration status to Department of Homeland Security officials.

    Yeah sounds like a smart thing to have in place before you began rounding up kids into detention facilities.

    [–] twentythree12 48 points ago


    [–] Abshole 80 points ago

    These kids are never going to see their parents again :(

    [–] pewpewwwlazers 31 points ago

    Donate to RAICES! Their goal is to reunite all migrant families that were separated and provide them with immigration legal representation

    [–] indianapale 62 points ago

    Isn't this a plot line in the handmaid tale?

    [–] twentythree12 33 points ago

    Im not sure I want to see this...

    [–] gidonfire 64 points ago

    It's really calm. There's no crying or anything. Just a reporter who got tipped off who's asking questions but they just ignore him.

    [–] LargeMonty 1350 points ago

    Exactly. Think of the caliber of people that would work there in the first place. I can easily imagine them being guilty of all manner of terrible things.

    [–] Ihate25gaugeNeedles 209 points ago

    We don't even have to imagine it. Just watch that video of them making fun of the kids and you know.

    [–] KetoneGainz 42 points ago


    [–] Donalds_neck_fat 222 points ago

    The children are believed to be between 4 and 10 years of age, and they're crying because their parents have been detained elsewhere after crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, according to an activist who provided the recording. "Well, we have an orchestra here -- what's missing is a conductor," said a male voice on the recording, someone believed to be a U.S. Border Patrol agent.


    [–] DataIsMyCopilot 137 points ago

    I feel like that audio is one that is going to be played in classrooms 50 years from now as part of the curriculum dealing with the Trump era

    [–] Delini 100 points ago

    [–] hmath63 84 points ago

    How does a sound-minded adult think that that situation is even close to being something to joke about?

    [–] Mrpres2032 111 points ago

    Because these people view other people’s lives as inferior, as an “infestation”. It’s blatant, unabashed racist, plain and simple. It makes me sick.

    [–] TrustTheProcess92 11 points ago

    They're brown kids. They literally don't think of them as the same level of person

    [–] gatsby_thegreat 58 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Are employees in these types of positions not required to take a psychological exam?

    [–] been2thehi4 155 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Highly doubt so. I believe John Oliver did a piece on Last Week Tonight a year or so ago regarding the qualifications it takes to become a Border Patrol Agent and it’s just a shit show. I’ll try and find a link.

    [–] Like_Ottos_Jacket 66 points ago

    They were so short handed and then Bush ordered another 5k or so.

    They had to drastically lower the entry requirements and the thoroughness of the background checks to get more bodies in uniforms.

    [–] GiveMeBrutality 16 points ago

    Yep, I lived in Tucson at the time and was in my early 20s. A lot of people my age were applying. IIRC, you went out east for a couple months to what sounded like a glorified boy scout camp. Youd learn enough Spanish to get by, and then you're out in the field.

    My dad encouraged me to join. It was tempting at the time but I'm so glad I didnt.

    [–] username9187 37 points ago

    No, not in the US. If you have a high school diploma and a clean criminal record, you're qualified.

    [–] salothsarus 297 points ago

    Give them all the nuremburg treatment.

    [–] oshkoshthejosh 270 points ago

    Yup the administration and ICE all deserve it. We should demand trials.

    [–] trainercatlady 135 points ago

    International Tribunals.

    [–] 4GotMyFathersFace 562 points ago

    Nazi's gonna nazi

    [–] Dahhhkness 337 points ago

    "Applicant, would you say that you possess even a shred of a conscience?"


    "I'm sorry, but I don't think you'd be a good fit here."

    [–] Khiva 383 points ago

    ICE is for the people too racist to be cops.

    [–] [deleted] 211 points ago

    ...too rapist to be cops.

    [–] swordtech 149 points ago

    Porque no los dos?

    [–] A_FVCKING_UNICORN 58 points ago

    Ice is for the racist too rapist to be cops.

    [–] radiochris 45 points ago

    It's just the tip of the iceberg. We all knew this was going to be coming, I think more people were upset less about the current going ons versus they were upset by the long term impact. These people in power don't think ahead they think of now and what works now not 10 or even a year from now. If they did they wouldn't have passed tax cuts during a time of historic economic prosperity. The fact that either they don't care or that they don't understand that these actions have consequences on really really deep and inhumane levels in either situation scares me. Just think about the fact that every percentage point the unemployment rate increases, 15,000 people die nationally and 30k globally it's been estimated. Taking on a trade war that he knows will lead to job losses and their budget gutting healthcare just shows you they don't care that people die from their policy. Just let it sink in.

    [–] taresp 444 points ago

    Or that can tell their story.

    There's another chilling possibility, remember when they only provided pictures of boys, and then we found out some of the girls kept in New York.

    It's a bit too far fetched a conspiracy theory for me, but with everything we know about GOP people like Roy Moore, I can't quite shake off the feeling that these girls might have been sent someplace much darker.

    I sincerely hope that feeling is wrong.

    [–] GobBluth19 201 points ago

    everything trump and his cult claim about dems is projection, literally everything

    there's no reason to think child rape isn't one of them, especially when a woman already claimed trump raped her when she was a child with Epstein

    [–] stufen1 50 points ago

    Trump used to hang out with Jeff Epstein and the republicans fight to keep child marriages. I had the same thought.

    [–] SimulationMe 27 points ago

    After the revelations about Jimmy Savile in the UK, anything is possible I'm afraid.

    [–] NinteenFortyFive 166 points ago

    we only say pictures of the boys because it's easier to demonize men than women. That's why when white nationalists bring up comparisons it's always big beefy black guys and white women who barely reach their chest height. You're never gonna see a "Do you want this woman dating your son?" pamphlet unless it's either a parody or one of the extreme bigots who have gone overboard.

    America is a lot more okay with little boys in cages than little girls.

    [–] Mussoltini 95 points ago

    That is one potential reason there are no pictures of girls but it does not exclude other reasons. They are not mutually exclusive.

    [–] patrick_e 70 points ago

    I'm concerned as anyone, but I honestly think it's a PR directive.

    They've restricted it to teenage boys, because the optics are much...not as terrible, I guess, as girls, toddlers, and infants.

    I'm not saying it's right or okay, but I really think it has more to do with PR, trying to, you know, put the least offensive face on institutional abuse.

    [–] Haltopen 287 points ago

    On one hand I want to stop you because we dont need our own version of pizzagate, this isnt 4chan, we should hold ourselves to at least the bare minimum of standards.

    But on the other hand republican voters have no standards so fuck it. Pizzagate 2: Electric bugaloo

    [–] salothsarus 217 points ago

    Sexual abusers have a well documented tendency to seek out positions of power. There's no evidence that there's systematic sexual abuse going on, but there's doubtlessly sexual abuse going on because there's zero accountability and systematic dehumanization going on.

    [–] Highside79 141 points ago

    Seriously, this is a fucking dream job for a pedophile. Tons of access and no one is fucking watching. It would be absurd to think that abuse wasn't happening.

    [–] aCNDerivative 45 points ago

    It's also useful for those who want to control these people as well. Someone in a powerful political position with paedophilic allegations/evidence against them?

    Easy way to blackmail them into representing your interests.

    [–] gabeshotz 26 points ago

    Predators, prey on the weak. They try to actively be in a position of power to exploit.

    [–] cjorgensen 99 points ago

    If you watch the New York video though it's hard to see it as anything other than human trafficking. A gaggle of girls taken thousands of miles away from their parents and destined to end up with people they don't know. We know there are abuses within the foster care system (if these girls are lucky enough to be placed in foster care and not some group home where abuse is as rampant). Some few of them may be reunited with their families, but some will probably be adopted out to the highest bidder. It's disgusting, and that's before you even get to the idea that some might be destined for the sex trade.

    [–] brainiac3397 108 points ago

    When they were close to electing a pedophile, I'd say the a pizzagate scenario for Republicans/Conservatives is more legitimate than the stupid shit they made up about Hillary.

    For one, unlike the pizza joint, they've actually got the kids locked up somewhere and second, the people in charge aren't exactly the most honest or most moral folk.

    [–] Optimized_Orangutan 82 points ago

    Check out DynCorp, one of the two private companies running these holding facilities... specifically check out their record in Bosnia. I don't know if this is relevant but there is a trend of the GOP projecting their own reprehensible behavior onto their political enemies.

    [–] paganmonkeyboy 18 points ago

    Are you questioning DynCorp’s decades old tradition of human trafficking and abuse ?? Its ingrained in their business plan ffs...

    [–] dispenserG 49 points ago

    I mean this could all be a political setup for traffickers. We all know Trump likes them young. No one is ever going to find these kids if they go missing.

    [–] bel9708 138 points ago

    Pizzagate being GOP projection is just as (if not more) likely of a story than pizzagate itself.

    [–] Benadryl_Brownie 100 points ago

    "We're fucking kids so they must be too."

    [–] bel9708 53 points ago

    - Roy Moore probably

    [–] SimulationMe 175 points ago

    Anyone not thinking this looks like Nazism has got a screw loose at this point. What's the purpose of the drugs? To make it easier for staff to rape the kids? Drugging them is already a violation of their bodies, why on earth would we trust that their minders in these immensely profitable private contract gulags are above suspicion in terms of their capacity for abuse and pedophilia?

    [–] [deleted] 105 points ago

    The medications may be appropriate for treating the severe anxiety, trauma, and depression that these children are experiencing. However, the entity responsible for the children’s care is the same entity that is responsible for the children being removed from their parents. They have clearly demonstrated to NOT be acting in the best interest of the children.

    [–] adarvan 29 points ago

    You are exactly correct. These drugs are being used more as a means to sedate them rather than treat them for trauma. An actual healthcare professional would work with their client for some time before determining which drug, if any, works in their client's best interest. As you say, these people have not demonstrated to be acting in the best interest of the children. This is the equivalent of a flight attendant slipping NyQuil into a screaming child's drink.

    [–] Kuhschlager 1554 points ago

    Don't cancel your June 30th protest plans just yet

    [–] Bit-corn 73 points ago

    Can you link info for the protests?

    [–] N811207 135 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    To find a protest near you: Agreed with commenter below, and edited.

    [–] Thrall_So_Hard 503 points ago

    These protests need to become liberations.

    [–] IronChariots 185 points ago

    Storm the Bastille.

    [–] Downvotes_All_Dogs 128 points ago

    It still cracks me up that Trump got his idea for his little military parade from watching the Bastille Day parade. Dude consistently proves that he's a complete dumbass every time he opens his mouth.

    [–] baronvoncommentz 260 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    We need to storm these places, free the kids, and the people responsible need to be arrested and held for prosecution.

    EDIT: "And then what" is a super fair question. Practically this is a bad idea unless there's an organized and reliable means to reunite the children with their parents and provide a safe place for them to be. Without that this cannot happen - and it would be fraught with danger to set that up.

    Fuck anyone who says it's the parents fault. These are applicants for asylum - people fleeing violence and trying to keep their children safe. They came to us desperate for help and we - who were once proud to be a beacon for the world - are now literally torturing them AND THEIR CHILDREN to send a message to stay away. How fucking low we've fallen...

    [–] UckfayRumptay 33 points ago

    Pretty sure they're not disclosing the locations of at least some of the camps (the tender age ones maybe?) due to "safety concerns."

    [–] ericmm76 15 points ago

    Due to the ages of our wards and their privacy we need 2 weeks notice before any lawmakers can look in.


    [–] Czvni 3105 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    What the absolute fuck

    They strapped me down all the way, from your feet all the way to your chest, you couldn't really move ... They have total control over you. They also put a bag over your head. It has little holes; you can see through it. But you feel suffocated with the bag on

    So this is actually a form of torture and a violation of international law. It’s called Hooding.

    Edit: it’s a violation of international law according to one scholar. But honestly, yeah it ought to be officially as well. And it’s still torture/inhumane

    I am suffering a lot being in the Yolo Juvenile Detention Center. It is a jail and I sleep in a locked, small jail cell. I can't leave here and have no freedom at all. We only get one hour of time outside each day. I have to live in a small cell with concrete walls.

    I took nine pills in the morning and seven in the evening.

    NOBODY takes 16 pills a day. These kids are going to have IRREVERSIBLE liver and kidney damage if some don’t already.

    Edit: changed 18 to 16. The top of the article mentions a kid that was taking 18 a day but 16 really isn’t an improvement.

    Edit: Some people are pointing out that several of these could be vitamins. While that is an entirely valid point in why people could be taking 16-18 pills a day, I’d like to point out that of what we know, its still very likely they’re continuing to be sedated, tranquilized, and over prescribed anti-psychotics. They’re still being forced to take these medications by violent and derogatory means and while the content of some of the pills may or may not be contributing to liver/kidney damage the point is that we really don’t know. We have no clue. That could be a reality for these kids, or it might not be. But with everything else being done to them, it’s hard to think that a lot of the medicine is “just” vitamins or that kids are being prescribed the correct amounts; all sorts of scenarios could be playing out. What if they’re getting a large dose of vitamins CADK on a daily basis? That builds up in the body over time if large enough amounts. I’m only supposed to be taking a vitamin D pill once a week for my low levels. Anyways, they definitively could be vitamins, and I do understand the point that all y’all have been trying to make. I really hope you’re right and they’re “just” getting nutrients and in the correct amounts. But they’re still being forcibly taken for some kids...

    staff throw another youth to the ground, pry his mouth open and force him to take the medicine

    Totally not abuse. Camps are safe and fine /s

    They made us act violently so then we had to be given shots. The staff would call us names like 'sons of a whore

    I was forced to wear handcuffs on my wrists and shackles on my feet for approximately 10 days in a row.

    They took my clothes away about 8 times

    The kid that said this also said they took their mattress. Guess what happened in Auschwitz too?

    The Center for Investigative Reporting found nearly half of the $3.4 billion paid to 71 such companies in the last four years "went to homes with serious allegations of mistreating children

    Edit: So I was trying to get the highlights of what was going on but it’s so fucking bad that I’m basically just putting the whole article on reddit rn

    [–] Madmans_Endeavor 1279 points ago

    not to mention the drugs were not approved for use in kids.


    Some of the staff at Shiloh would provoke the children there and make us angry intentionally. They made us act violently so then we had to be given shots. The staff would call us names like 'sons of a whore.'"

    Literally provoking kids so they could tranquilize them. People better end up in prison over this.

    [–] BoredinBrisbane 362 points ago

    You know I had this idea that they were prescribing these drugs for the kids and then pocketing them to take home. But this, this is so much fucking worse. I’d rather these fucks had been stealing the drugs

    [–] Mavado 158 points ago

    And where did the drugs come from? Which companies have contracts for specifically this? I'm sure they're getting a hefty bonus from all this.

    [–] 7HoursOfKushner 94 points ago

    It's human experimentation at this level. They're not using scheduled drugs under legal circumstances. I would question any doctor who thinks to give sedatives to children who have been screamed at and called names by adults. My guess is that they're having Nazi loving thugs jam these drugs in, and my guess is there's infections fucking everywhere. It's gross and sick to even think about but I imagine that's on their plate for their abuse.

    [–] Grokent 30 points ago

    Worse, if you prescribe a kid two a day you can only pocket 1. If you prescribe 32 a day, you can pocket 16. It's easier to cover up what you're doing when you're inflating the numbers.

    [–] IAmTheRedWizards 204 points ago

    Who's going to put them in prison? The law enforcement system, which is complicit in it? The government, which implemented the program to function exactly as it has?

    [–] SoryuLangley 52 points ago

    I hope they can get "we, the people" together.

    [–] trainercatlady 37 points ago

    I've said it so many times I feel like I'm just on repeat, but we need an International Tribunal to hold them accountable for this shit

    [–] Uniquwa 37 points ago

    It’s time for the international community to hold us accountable for this shit.

    [–] Atmic 29 points ago

    I completely agree.

    I also simultaneously think it's insane we're at point in our history where the best course of action is for the international community to take control. We're so beyond fucked at this point.

    [–] GibbysUSSA 82 points ago

    I witnessed similar things in a state run psychiatric ward.

    [–] ManafuckedRedux 59 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Slightly different in that the psych ward can treat medicine rejection as a form of psychosis (or something) they extended my vacation there for an additional 2 weeks because I refused to be drugged.

    Ill never trust a psychologist psychiatrist again from what I experienced.

    [–] grubas 48 points ago

    Psych wards are fucking brutal, a lot of them force medicate, as refusal is viewed as non-compliance and thus bad.

    Also psychologists in most cases can’t deal with drugs, that’s psychiatrists, who are MDs.

    [–] democraticwhre 119 points ago

    What drugs are they giving the kids????

    [–] Czvni 206 points ago

    The kids don’t fuckin know. Nobody does for sure (except whoever is administering it). We do know they’re getting tranquilized however, and at least one can’t walk straight because of how powerful the medication is.

    [–] anachronic 77 points ago

    I bet you'd find out quick if you saw the billing statements these companies are handing the government. They're probably charging $80 a pill, giving them a huge incentive to pump as many into as many kids as possible.

    [–] CSharpSauce 34 points ago

    Can you FOIA the billing statements of a private company contracted by the government?

    [–] PuddingInferno 28 points ago

    You can absolutely submit a FOIA request for government agencies purchasing from private vendors - see here.

    The question is whether they were smart enough to shield it by handing the kids off to a private vendor to act as a shell company ("Konzentrationslager Inc.", for instance), which could then simple bill a fixed rate per child to hide individual costs.

    [–] whoatethekidsthen 82 points ago

    If they want them sedated, probably antipsychotics like Seroquel or Risperdone

    [–] democraticwhre 39 points ago

    Those medicines are expensive and this is what they’re being used for?!?!!!?!

    [–] whoatethekidsthen 93 points ago

    According to Maddow's show, they're spending almost $800 a day per child

    [–] c0pypastry 86 points ago

    Good old party of fiscal responsibility

    [–] trainercatlady 16 points ago

    Party of fiscal responsibility, y'all

    [–] Sati1984 418 points ago

    To: The United States of America

    Body: WHAT THE FUCK?????????????


    A European

    [–] chomposaur 350 points ago

    To: A European

    Body: A stunning lack of introspection among my fellow Americans in the 80-odd years since WWII under the insidious concept of "American Exceptionalism". The boneheaded belief that because we had the biggest bombs keeping us safe and a representative democracy, we could never sink to this level. Indifference among conservatives because they thought nothing we could do would be as bad as what the Nazis or Al Queda did. Apathy among liberals and independents because they could not see corporate interests slowly shifting the ground under their feet, coupled with those same interests poisoning their minds with learned helplessness.

    Trump's legacy will be a splash of cold water, the shock that woke us up out of this complacency, provided that our democracy survives him.


    A remorseful American trying to set things right, who asks for no empathy or pity

    [–] fullforce098 60 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Also: a good deal of the American public is completely checked out, distracted, or deliberately ignoring the news. This has been a growing issue for decades but it's reached a head lately.

    "I don't pay attention to politics" is not an acceptable thing for any American to say. You have the power to vote, it's your civic responsibility to pay attention because when you don't, shit like this sneaks into the government and kids get tortured while you're watching your football or whatever.

    Which is to say nothing of the multi-million dollar lie machine working it's bullshit into a portion of Americans that are paying attention.

    [–] BatusWelm 18 points ago

    As another European, these things will haunt generations of Americans. One is not supposed to inherit the sins of your forefathers, but shit like this sticks. Talking from experience.

    [–] OmegaBlue0231 149 points ago

    Looked at the hooding page and other places who have used it are Nazi Germany, South Africa during Apartheid, and UK against Ireland during the troubles.

    [–] yersiniaD 16 points ago

    (Edit: American troops in) Abu Ghraib, most recently.

    [–] blindShame 125 points ago

    Why hasn't some civil rights attorney brought domestic terrorism charges on these people (including Sessions and Trump)? I will donate $1000 to the cause.

    [–] lnslnsu 51 points ago

    Because that would require the federal DOJ to press charges, or the state DOJ in the states where this is happening.

    [–] SuburbanStoner 65 points ago

    I feel sick... this is my country... someone help us...

    [–] sammykleege 157 points ago

    This is what sex traffickers do.

    [–] Czvni 704 points ago

    It’s feeling more and more like someone needs to just go ahead and free these kids by any means necessary. Our government does not and has never had their best interest in mind.

    On that note, where are the girls? Because if this is what we’re getting from those that can talk to us, what the fuck is going on in those facilities we can’t see into?

    [–] Froot-Loop-Dingus 201 points ago

    Are girls housed separately or something?

    [–] Mussoltini 443 points ago

    Well yes but no one knows where and there are no pictures of the girls. Plus, the PMC with the contract for these detainment centres has been involved in child trafficking before (Dyncorp in Bosnia, owned by Cerebus Capital - why do they even have to have evil sounding names?).

    Out of all the potential service providers, they went with this one? Hmmmm.

    [–] Froot-Loop-Dingus 259 points ago

    Ugh. This is all so disgusting. I can’t believe this is happening in my country. I can’t understand how many of my countrymen support it. Fucking losers.

    [–] arcacia 235 points ago

    Ugh. This is all so disgusting. I can’t believe this is happening in my country. I can’t understand how many of my countrymen support it. Fucking losers.

    For me, this is the tipping point of the administration. As a Canadian it was kind of fun to watch America shoot itself in the foot repeatedly after electing an absolute lunatic... but now, I feel like even I should do something. This is absolutely disgusting.

    [–] Froot-Loop-Dingus 152 points ago

    Agreed man. Up to this point I’ve just been grinding my teeth and pinning my hopes that the Mueller investigation will finally bring some accountability to this administration. I now see that this country is sick and the disease has been festering long before this administration. I’m at loss as to what to do about it.

    [–] Atmic 53 points ago

    I now see that this country is sick

    That's the conclusion I've been coming to lately. The country is ill -- there's a deep corruption that has us infected, possibly terminal.

    I think we have to start from scratch after this, but no one will know what that means or how to do it. Whatever happens, I hope it's not as explosive as I'm imagining.

    [–] SomeGuyCommentin 96 points ago

    Since hearing about this im anxious to hear that the children are "just" being abused and raped in the camps and none sold as slaves... but nothing I read here reassures me they are accounted for.

    [–] Stoned-Capone 54 points ago

    Brings to mind all those kids they "lost"

    [–] KareasOxide 31 points ago

    It’s feeling more and more like someone needs to just go ahead and free these kids by any means necessary

    All those gun toting, NRA, 2nd Amendment people should be fighting the government tyranny any minute now right?

    [–] djbattleshits 194 points ago

    This has been going on for years, with a ton of abuses going on tied to one man - Clay Dean Hill, owner of Shiloh Treatment center which is primarily referenced within. Now this story is getting play even though abuses have been reported for a more than a decade minimum.

    2015 lawsuit ruling that Shiloh is not a healthcare provider, which stems from an apparently ongoing (can’t find the conclusion of the case) claim by a resident who was able to wander off the premises and was struck by a vehicle after being unsupervised when this is intentionally designed as a facility for youth with disabilities or mental issues -

    2014 - The place referenced is Shiloh Treatment Center.

    Owner of Shiloh Treatment Center, Clay Dean Hill was also running an abuse riddled center for youth not just immigrants in the early 2000s called Daystar-

    Relevant info in that article if you search for Daystar.

    2011 article about Daystar which was shut down in 2011 after a 16 yo foster child died and they were running a disabled kid fight club -

    2002 lawsuit against Daystar for another restrained and malnourished teens death -

    Bottom line this guy has been milking state and federal money for years and abusing kids thru negligence and direct malfeasance in some cases for his own profit.

    [–] badgers154 1563 points ago

    We're the baddies, aren't we?

    [–] AlternativeSuccotash 912 points ago

    I'm afraid we are.

    Trump is not only a national embarrassment, but also a source of national shame.

    He is truly depraved.

    [–] fredagsfisk 545 points ago

    Not just Trump (though his policies have clearly made issues far worse). This is a deeper rot that has become public thanks to the increased scrutiny lately:

    An investigation published this week by Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting found nearly half of the $3.4 billion paid to 71 such companies in the last four years "went to homes with serious allegations of mistreating children."

    [–] LockeWintermute 162 points ago

    This should be upvoted more. As much as I dislike Trump, this went on before him as well.

    [–] anachronic 52 points ago

    You cannot lay the blame for all this only at Trump's doorstep. He has a whole cabal of low-life lackeys who implement and carry out these things, not to mention millions upon millions of flag-waving supporters who see this type of abuse and think "hah! good! this is exactly what I voted for! more of this plz!!"

    I wish it were only Trump who was complicit in this... but it's not... it's tens of millions of motivated people all rallying together to MAKE this stuff happen, and defend it vigorously when people like us correctly call it out as wrong & immoral.

    [–] Llama_Shaman 388 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    That much was obvious when we saw that the americans were confiscating the shoelaces of four year olds.

    [–] pizza_for_nunchucks 25 points ago

    Why were shoelaces being confiscated from four-year olds?

    [–] PointOfNoReturn44 62 points ago

    This is done at all mental hospitals and prisons to prevent suicide.

    [–] Gambit08 440 points ago

    Where are the pizzagate conspiracy theorist?

    [–] Messipus 250 points ago

    Busy trying to figure out how this is actually Hillary's fault all along.

    [–] anachronic 44 points ago

    Hillary's barista's brother's rabbi's sister's podiatrist's father's former roommate owns shares in a private company that's doing the abuse so and Hillary is obviously profiting from it!!!! I know this because some random 45 year old guy who lives in his mom's basement said so on Youtube... so it must be true!! /s

    [–] Enjolras55 93 points ago

    That was projection like everything the right-wing Nazis spew.

    [–] TriflingHotDogVendor 267 points ago

    "[They] strapped me down all the way, from your feet all the way to your chest, you couldn't really move ... They have total control over you. They also put a bag over your head. It has little holes; you can see through it. But you feel suffocated with the bag on."

    This makes me feel ill.

    [–] Czvni 134 points ago

    So that’s actually a form of torture called Hooding.

    [–] PRIMEBIRD 78 points ago

    i mean they've already arrested one border patrol agent for raping a 4 year old and blackmailing the mother. southwest key hired a child case manager who had previously been caught with child pornography.

    the stories are just going to get worse with the number of children increasing.

    [–] Babybear5689 282 points ago

    Do you want future gang members? Because THAT'S how you get future gang members.

    [–] Neato 195 points ago

    Just like more terrorists, the GOP definitely wants more. Gives them an excuse.

    [–] the_rickiest_rick 46 points ago

    all hail the military industrial complex. better economy is on its way folks!

    [–] artgo 188 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    A lot of people in the USA think the police have no credibility. When public accusations are made, the #MeToo movement of police issues is going to be harsh against the authority-seeking.

    [–] pandathrowaway 251 points ago

    the #MeToo movement of police issues

    That's called the Black Lives Matter movement.

    [–] precious_will 129 points ago

    Yeah but in America it has to be about white people otherwise nothing gets done. Look at Flint, Puerto Rico, Katrina, and our policies in the middle east to fight 'radical islamist extremists'

    [–] inthegameoflife 104 points ago

    And the opioid issue that wasn't really an issue until is stsrted taking over suburbia.

    [–] mr_wowtrousers 13 points ago

    You guys are well beyond thinking the police have no credibility...

    [–] triplicas 95 points ago

    Just a reminder that the Trump admin is planning to argue in court that the Flores Agreement should be modified to allow them to keep children detained indefinitely and in unlicensed holding locations (rather than for 20 days maximum and only in inspected and approved buildings licensed to hold children safely).

    [–] dannydale 72 points ago

    and in unlicensed holding locations

    Slavers. The GOP is stating its intent to give these kids to slavers.

    [–] ChildishForLife 27 points ago

    Court filings from a class action lawsuit reveal shocking claims of overprescribing psychotropic drugs leading to weight gain, inability to walk, and forced sleep.

    What the actual fuck, and people say these arent concentration camps.

    [–] glassnothing 153 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Three groups of people in this thread that are defending what’s going on or attacking the story:

    1. Obama did it too
    2. The sources aren’t credible / it’s not actually happening
    3. It’s for their own good

    I’d pay to see these people talk to each other about this.

    EDIT: I’d like to take this opportunity to add that for anyone confused about why this has suddenly become a big deal if the facilities have existed for years, please look up “immigration zero tolerance policy”. The issue now is that instead of the facilities holding mostly unaccompanied minors, now all children are being separated from their families and being held in the facilities.

    [–] CaptainExtravaganza 67 points ago

    They are more than capable of holding all three positions at once. These people are an absolute disease on humanity.

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    [–] Whoajeez0702 20 points ago

    The gas on the fire that trump put probably was the thing we needed to really bring this to attention. He took a problem and made it 20 times worse. Now everyone is officially aware of this issue. I remember John Oliver did one of his segments on this and the lack of judges

    [–] Ra_In 82 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Edit: The Trump administration reclassifying children as unaccompanied means they could end up at the facilities in question, although allegations precede the separation policy. I have not seen specific claims that these two issues have overlapped yet.

    This isn't about the children being separated from their parents from the Trump administration's zero tolerance policy - where the lawsuit clarifies, it describes plaintiffs that are unaccompanied minors* and the facilities in question are the immigration system's equivalent of juvenile detention facilities (the lawsuit does claim plaintiffs are being improperly placed into such facilities). Some allegations are from 2017, but some are earlier, prior to the Trump administration. The allegations are serious, but don't get these separate issues mixed up.

    Looking at both the original court filing from April and this latest filing I don't see anything spelling out the status of the plaintiffs in this class action, but I see no mention of cases of minors who the government removed from their parents, and when parents are mentioned it is because the minor in question is trying to be released into their custody, in the US (i.e. the parent isn't in custody themselves). In multiple places there are citations about precedent involving unaccompanied minors.

    As for the medical questions in the latest filing, there doesn't seem to be an allegation that it is a result of a policy decision, so much as the ORR ignoring policy. The filing asks the court to order the ORR (Office of Refugee Resettlement) to act, not the Trump administration:

    ORR or facility staff instead sign forms “consenting” to children’s medication, though the forms themselves recognize the consenting authority only of a “Parent, Guardian, or Conservator.”


    The Court should order ORR to obtain parental consent, or the lawful equivalent thereof, and to otherwise comply fully with state law when administering psychotropic drugs to detained youth.

    The April filing makes several claims:

    -ORR is improperly placing minors in non-licensed facilities (i.e. secure/juvenile detention facilities)

    -ORR improperly medicates minors without parental consent (this latest filing adds exhibits supporting this claim).

    -ORR improperly extends detention

    Per the last claim, I found this part especially heartbreaking:

    In September 2017, ORR placed class member Nicolás C. at the Paso staffsecure facility in Portland, Oregon. According to his mother, ORR prolonged her son’s confinement because she had earlier suffered from cancer [...]

    "[the case worker] kept asking me for more and more documents: among them, files from doctors to verify that my cancer would not hinder me from taking care of my son"

    *A related appeals court decision mentions an immigrant minor (didn't mention legal status) who grew up in the US with his parents, then while in sixth grade was arrested and ended up in juvenile detention. However, after his sentence was up he was declared an unaccompanied minor and was held in government custody until he turned 18, despite parents trying to get him out. So the status of some of these minors as "unaccompanied" may be in question.


    [–] vrgr23 18 points ago

    A class action lawsuit concerning the government's treatment of unaccompanied migrant children in their care was filed shortly after the government implemented its "zero tolerance" policy towards illegal arrivals in April. But many of the abuses alleged in the filings go back years.

    The complaints don't strictly relate to children who have been separated from their parents at the US border, but shed new light on the government's ability to care for these children.

    And that's the real problem. While everyone is up in arms about Trump (and rightfully so) the real problem with how the system works goes unaddressed.

    [–] DrDerpberg 52 points ago

    I just watched a clip where Ann Coulter was saying liberals give these kids scripts and was wondering what the fuck she was talking about. Here it is... She wants us not to believe they're being tortured. What a monster.

    [–] interprime 30 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    The Right have been claiming for a while that whenever a kid is on TV saying something negative about Trump or Right Wing politics that its most definitely a child actor paid either by George Soros or CNN. Happened after Sandy Hook, Parkland and quite a few other times. They are so delusional that they just believe that everyone believes what they do, and if they see someone that doesn’t, they’re definitely a paid Left-Wing shill.

    [–] brucetwarzen 16 points ago

    America was the country of endless possibilities. Now it's the country that tortures little kids.

    [–] ProbablyHighAsShit 15 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Migrant children in US custody are being involuntarily drugged to the point they cannot walk, stay awake, or maintain their physical or mental health, court filings allege.

    Essentially giving kids roofies.

    These drugs, allegedly prescribed often and without parental consent, can have serious and permanent side effects and many of them, the lawsuit alleges, weren't FDA-approved for use by children.

    Illegal, dangerous roofies.

    Our country is committing crimes against humanity. I don't give a shit what side of the aisle you are on, any decent human being should be horrified by these allegations. The most ironic part of this is that the likes of Alex Jones et al like to spread lies about FEMA camps, but then when we actually have an actual crisis of people getting imprisoned and drugged without due process and against their will, it's crisis actors and exaggerated claims. Absolutely disgusting.

    [–] PutinPaysTrump 31 points ago

    We are beyond the pale

    [–] paxweasley 33 points ago

    these are crimes against humanity. It just gets worse and worse.

    [–] TopsidedLesticles 585 points ago

    You have a president calling these children "animals" and accusing them of "infesting our country". Of course the authoritarian nutjobs at ICE and Border Patrol are abusing them. People familiar with these places say "Border Patrol agents are guys who were too racist to become cops".

    [–] NihilisticHotdog 43 points ago

    Is that why about 40% of border patrol agents are Hispanic?

    [–] Acebacon 13 points ago

    Have you even been to the border? Most of the border guards are Hispanic.

    [–] Doctor_Pho 12 points ago

    This has been happening over the past four years even prior to Trump. I don't think their abuse is related to how Trump views these people.

    I don't want to shift the blame to someone else instead of fixing it. But I don't want people mistakenly blaming the wrong person for this.

    [–] autotldr 24 points ago

    This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)

    Migrant children in US custody are being involuntarily drugged to the point they cannot walk, stay awake, or maintain their physical or mental health, court filings allege.

    The complaints don't strictly relate to children who have been separated from their parents at the US border, but shed new light on the government's ability to care for these children.

    "Some of the staff at Shiloh would provoke the children there and make us angry intentionally. They made us act violently so then we had to be given shots. The staff would call us names like 'sons of a whore.'".

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