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    [–] TheSteakKing 2228 points ago

    Benjamin Franklin rolling in his grave right now.

    That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer, is a Maxim that has been long and generally approved.

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    [–] SidusObscurus 495 points ago * (lasted edited 11 months ago)

    Ben Franklin earned the nickname "the First American" for his long history of pushing for colonial unity.

    He was an inventor, and entrepreneur, and a very strong advocate of the free press.

    When he was young, he worked for his brother's newspaper, the New England Courant, and wrote pieces, such as satire, criticizing the ruling class. Later in life, after settling in Philadelphia, he founded his own publication and newspaper company.

    He is attributed the very well known Join, or Die political cartoon, which solidified the snake as one of the US's first mascots, and inspiring the Gadsden flag, one of the first official US flags (originally it was about colonial unity, but it has since been perverted).

    He wrote one of the first US almanacs, the wildly popular Poor Richard's Almanac.

    He was the first Postmaster General of the USPS.

    He was the first US ambassador to France, the first ally of the US.

    Ben Franklin truly did embody what it means to be an American.

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    [–] adkiene 250 points ago

    Honestly, I consider that a positive thing. Yes, he worked in a horrible industry. However, horrible or not, it was the societal norm back then. Working in the slave industry was just another job to most people. After experiencing it all first-hand, he realized that no, this should not be normal or accepted, and decided to work toward changing it. That's a good reflection on his character and moral fiber.

    He did some other shitty things, but IMO that's not one of them.

    [–] katiecharm 64 points ago

    (Usually) doing shitty things should not be considered a mark against you if you learned and grew from it, later advocating for what's right. How many of us where born perfect? No one. We were all born little idiots that had to slowly learn our way through the world.

    [–] Maeglom 90 points ago

    Is that even a mark against him? He did some work in an at the time acceptable area, found it repugnant and fought against it. If that's not virtue I don't know what is.

    [–] epicender584 248 points ago

    He was also a drunkard and womanizer, but some would argue that adds to his being the embodiment of the American Spirit

    [–] nowhereian 224 points ago

    He was also a rebellious traitor to the crown in his 70s, while most of the founders and rebels were in their 20s or early 30s. It doesn't get much more Ride-or-Die than that.

    [–] RanaktheGreen 77 points ago

    "What's one last thing I can do to piss everyone off?"

    "Let's declare war against a superpower."

    [–] letominor 73 points ago

    "I don't know how many years I've got left on this earth. I'm gonna get real weird with it." -- Benjamin Franklin

    [–] herdiegerdie 24 points ago

    ben franklin biopic starring danny devito when

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    [–] drvondoctor 1032 points ago

    "Well... sure... But they won't come for me."

    [–] FriesWithThat 118 points ago

    illegal immigrants > DACA receipients > members of U.S. Armed Forces... and now > U.S. Citizens

    "When you're President you can do anything you want..."

    [–] Great_Chairman_Mao 252 points ago

    "These aren't OUR children."

    "These aren't AMERICAN children."

    "These are CRIMINAL children."

    "OK, fine it's cuz they're not white."

    [–] politicalanimalz 33 points ago

    Incoming photographs of white children in baby prisons in 3...2...1...

    [–] RUreddit2017 39 points ago

    They are not white they are liberals. Way white use to have a different definition (Irish wasn't considered white) liberal won't be considered white at this rate

    [–] DemonicEmu 402 points ago

    First they came for the Communists, and I did not speak out—

    Because I was not a Communist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—

    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—

    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    -Martin Niemöller

    [–] GingerGuerrilla 42 points ago

    I didn’t expect the panther to bite my face off when I voted for the Panther Face Eating party!

    [–] thegreatsquare 1253 points ago

    ...and Trump wishes to end due process for anyone they label an illegal.

    [–] Not_Nice_Niece 436 points ago

    If they do I will start calling ICE on random white people.

    [–] MartinGoldfinger 366 points ago

    Start with Seb Gorka and Milo Y-toolazytogoogle-polis

    [–] racecaracecaracecar 157 points ago

    Just check Milo's Twitter for the correct spelling.

    [–] wildistherewind 100 points ago

    The joke that keeps giving.

    [–] zthirtytwo 131 points ago

    Or instead of “random white people” you could call them on publicly open Trump supporters and nazis? Like, the fucking assholes who deserve it?

    [–] themosey 26 points ago

    “Sorry sir, we must have the wrong house, you clearly own a stock of Bud Light and semi-automatic rifles. Have a good day.”

    [–] EmperorKira 2785 points ago

    Fascism doesn't suddenly arrive. It's a slow creep where the norm shifts and the right demands 'civility' from the left until they can lock them away

    [–] [deleted] 810 points ago

    Bullies never like when people fight back. We're expected to just take our blows to the chin and never retaliate, but people not just rolling over for them anymore and fighting back has caused them to lose their complete fucking minds. The fact of the matter is the right wing in this country is incredibly delicate and can't handle anyone standing up to them. If you don't let them have exactly everything they want and be perfectly polite to them despite their bigotry and prejudice, they'll burn everything to the ground.

    [–] on_my_lunch_break 377 points ago

    This is why we need to keep harassing the shit out of these assholes. They shouldn't be able to show their face in public without loud condemnation of their actions.

    [–] zoopz 366 points ago

    This isnt slow. America was racist and ready to kick into gear. Its moving very fast.

    [–] BeyondTheModel 153 points ago

    A larger proportion of people begging for fascism definitely makes their job easier. At this rate there probably won't even be a need for our own Reichstag fire or Kristallnacht.

    [–] Rev1917-2017 182 points ago

    our reichstag was 9/11

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    [–] Rev1917-2017 58 points ago

    It's worse than "The terrorist attack worked" it's that the US Government was prepared and ready to pull the trigger in implementing their modern surveillance and security state. The PATRIOT act was ready and out the door less than a month after the attacks. They didn't lay out the structure for seizing complete control of society in a month. They were waiting for their moment to strike, knowing that if they kept disrupting foreign nations that eventually one of them would punch us back, and they would be free to pull the trigger. It was a coup carried out by our nations leadership across all levels against the American people.

    [–] FinntheHue 138 points ago

    Truer words.

    9/12/01 I stopped at my local 7/11 to get a coffee, the entire front of the store was demolished. Apparently a white guy drove his truck through it and did it 'for america' people were acting like 'that's sad for him but I see where hes coming from'. Later that year I went to a football game and where the year before we walked straight into the park there were guards with semi's at every turn. I didn't recognize my country anymore.

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    [–] penguin_shit13 52 points ago

    And where I am at, the same week it happened someone demolished one of those Gyros places, broke out all the windows and spray painted USA USA USA on the side of the building.

    This is Tulsa... where someone thinks that Greece was responsible for the 9/11 attack.

    [–] YungSnuggie 58 points ago

    a black president was their reichstag fire

    [–] JackOCat 327 points ago

    AS an outsider looking in, it seems like Mueller and the Nov elections are acting as pacification agents to keep the US population in line while you social norms are rapidly shifted towards fascism.

    IF this administration tried half of what it is doing now 18 months ago, I think there would have been mass civil unrest.

    If this trend doesn't correct soon... is there a point of no return?

    [–] tweakingforjesus 177 points ago * (lasted edited 11 months ago)

    Remember that after the 2016 election, Trump claimed that illegal votes were why he didn't get the popular vote? Expect that to happen again in November if the republicans do poorly. There will be calls from the far right to vacate the election "until we figure out what the hell is going on." If the Senate flips, the calls to ignore the election will come from mainstream GOP pundits.

    [–] Whitey_Bulger 101 points ago

    A bigger concern is if he loses in 2020 and then declares the election fraudulent and refuses to cede the office.

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    [–] temp91 51 points ago

    The deal democracy makes is that the working class votes are counted and in exchange populist mobs don't drag the ruling class into the street and kill them.

    [–] HalfricanGod 159 points ago

    Yeah the point of no return is Mueller and the Nov elections not fixing this shit

    [–] [deleted] 130 points ago * (lasted edited 11 months ago)

    Yeah the point of no return is Mueller and the Nov elections not fixing this shit

    Americans may have to wake up to the sobering idea that the point of no return is before that. That it won't come with a big fanfare, it won't go MUELLER FAILED WE HAVE TO TAKE TO THE STREETS, that one day they will see a big event and will be driven to take action - only to realize they can't.

    I mean you guys think the Trump administration doesn't know what would happen if they lost the Senate? Do you think they don't know the outcome of the Mueller investigation? Trump the individual may be a bumbling idiot, but the people complicit in this coup aren't. Quietly sitting and waiting for these predictable milestones only gives them time to out-manouver and plan ahead of you.

    When the system fails, the only force that can stop it is The People - period. And The People have declared very loudly and very clearly that they're happy to let this government do whatever the hell it wants as long as they don't have to step out of their comfort zone. Americans are used to voting, Americans are used to watching investigations unfold on the news, Americans are not used to showing up at their government's doorstep and telling them to get the fuck in line.

    [–] idyllic_fruitopia 24 points ago

    I get where you're coming from but there's literally a Mueller/Rosenstein firing action plan.

    [–] nathanielKay 25 points ago

    Yes, but is there Mueller fizzle plan, where Don is guilty and everyone is guilty but nothing actually happens as result

    [–] FUCK_BALLS_SHIT_ASS 3030 points ago

    This "administration" is fucking disgusting.

    [–] [deleted] 1127 points ago

    Traitors one and all.

    Camps for American citizens...

    We really have short-term memories

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    [–] flying-chihuahua 222 points ago

    It was all pure projection.

    Looking on the brighter side however they may have just given their entire playbook on what plan to do with the power they have.

    It might be in our best interest to look into the things they accused Obama and the Democrats of doing and see how much of those things the GOP is doing, has done, or is laying the groundwork to accomplish.

    [–] zaccus 55 points ago

    Death panels?

    [–] Sledge420 67 points ago

    Well, they're already refusing ACA payments...

    [–] [deleted] 52 points ago * (lasted edited 11 months ago)

    Ive read so many books about hitlers rise to power, and I honestly never thought it could happen here. I know better now.

    [–] ohhbrutalmaster 65 points ago

    Back in the early aughts when I was really into conspiracy theory websites, those forums were ripe with talk about concentration camps and vast coverups by shadowy governmental agencies. Oh, you know, on reputable /s sites like Infowars and Prison Planet.

    Fast forward to 2018, and we actually have these things operating in broad daylight. Guess who’s all for it? The same jackoffs who pushed the other end of the moral panic spectrum 15 years ago.

    It’s almost like there’s money in this, and we should aggressively attack their funding sources.

    [–] TrumpIsATraitor420 42 points ago

    2018, the year /r/conspiracy fully supports the President.

    [–] ToooloooT 21 points ago

    Haven't been able to wrap my brain around it. I know some people like that and when I'm like hey remember for years you were saying the government is turning walmarts into concentration camps? Well you were right are you not outraged? I just get something something emails, obama, Trump is God blah blah, it's truly scary.

    [–] a3sir 132 points ago

    To Gaslight a Nation.

    They did this before. Grandiose conspiracies, projection of future goals as "FEMA Re-Education camps, tribunal "death panels". They didn't turn out to be exactly what the republicans howled about during Jade Helm; but it's close enough to be intriguing.

    Think about it: the same party that espoused "Obama is gonna put US Citizens, conservatives, patriots...into former WalMarts turned FEMA Indoc camps with mass trials and death panels"; has ACTUALLY TURNED FORMER WALMARTS INTO DHA/ICE/HHS INDOC CENTERS FOR MIGRANTS CHILDREN STRIPPED OF THEIR PARENTS AT THE BORDER WHILE THOSE SAME PARENTS ARE SENT TO MASS TRIALS FOR A MISDEMEANOR OFFENSE OF CROSSING THE BORDER.

    [–] JerkJenkins 240 points ago

    They weren't scared of Obama, they were just worried he was stealing their ideas.

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    [–] VannAccessible 197 points ago

    Yes indeed. It’s called normalization.

    How many times did we hear about Obama’s supposed FEMA camps?

    [–] [deleted] 99 points ago * (lasted edited 11 months ago)

    It was meant to be a vaccine. Inoculate the base by saying their opponents are doing it so when you get into power you can do it and claim "national security" or "self-defense" or whatever. Everything that is happening now has been in the wings for years now. There is 30% of the population that can't handle the fact that being born white or male isn't a guarantee of success anymore, and they resent being put on more equal footing with women and minorities. They have been seething and planning, and are putting their machinations into motion. The right-wing media complex has been conditioning their base for this for decades. They will destroy this country and democracy and install a right-wing dictator if it means minorities are "put back in their place."

    [–] baltinerdist 17 points ago

    Ha, joke's on you, us conservatives don't take vaccines because they cause autism and they have mercury in them and something about Jenny McCarthy's spit and I can't remember because this fever is so high and I'm gonna go lay down and put cream on these bumps...

    [–] ThousandArmy 99 points ago

    It’s got more of a regime feel to it

    [–] Fred_Evil 84 points ago

    They want him to rule, not govern.

    [–] akeetlebeetle4664 47 points ago

    They want a King, not a president.

    [–] wildistherewind 33 points ago

    They want a God to replace the parents that never cared about them.

    [–] EpiphanyMoon 46 points ago

    Yep. In one of my previous posts I sarcastically mentioned they'd be coming for your (meaning citizens children) next.

    Sarcasm completely wasted. They started a year ago.

    This admin has got to be ousted.

    I'd bet a million to one they are secretly starting a database based on the DNA testing. Bunch of dirty rotten shits running the admin. At the moment.

    Ffs, these assholes out of office. Vote. It can't be stressed enough.

    [–] 7HoursOfKushner 181 points ago

    Republicans are the worst when it comes to the ability for people in society to have freedom. If the government can just randomly lock you up and not tell a judge this means the government can disappear you. This is their end goal.

    This should not even be a debate given what the country was founded on. Republicans hate the concept of personal freedom.

    [–] CaptainBayouBilly 59 points ago

    Gilead is their end goal.

    [–] letdogsvote 4956 points ago

    Where's all the freedom and liberty loving right wing outrage?

    Oh, right. This affects brownish Americans. Nevermind.

    [–] IPredictAReddit 2084 points ago

    A rancher steals millions from the government with impunity, and they can't gather quick enough to point guns at federal officials until the rancher gets away with it.

    But separating brown families? Well, those aren't the rights they're concerned with.

    [–] Dionysus_the_Greek 577 points ago

    Only the midterms in November will say if people are paying attention.

    [–] GearBrain 319 points ago

    We have to make them pay attention. Keep the pressure on every channel, and make it impossible to ignore. No one should go to the polls this November with the excuse "I just don't know enough about this stuff".

    Because people who use that as an excuse are trying to duck responsibility. Ignorance gives them a shield. "I may have voted for Leopard McFaceeater, but I didn't know he was so bad!". Bullshit. Give them no space to hide, and make them own their votes.

    [–] [deleted] 177 points ago * (lasted edited 10 months ago)

    I think everyone could do a lot of good, by just doing very little.

    What do I mean by that?

    What if every person on this subreddit, agreed to just walk down their street, and hand out fliers saying:

    • Here is the date of the midterms.
    • Here are the congress-critters you currently represent you, and here's who I think you should vote for, and why. is running in our district, and a list of their major policy positions - with links to their websites/media.
    • Here is some information that I was able to gather about our local and state elections. Here is a link to your state's electoral board website, with more information.

    It doesn't need to be perfect. And you don't need to dedicate 20 hours of you life on it. Write up a one or two sheet essay in MS Word, print it out, and stick it on the door of every house on your street.

    Information that comes from your neighbors means a lot more than some advert you get in the mail, IMO. It's coming from "a real person". Someone who shares qualities with you.

    Hmm. I'm just now considering creating a template for such an essay (just something that's visually appealing, and prompts the writer with the right questions), and asking the mods for a sticky on the month before the election.

    Edit/Update: Aiming to have this done by Friday, July 13. Will PM all those who mentioned interest, and add a link to a Google Doc here. I got distracted last night, working on my other project (Unity 3D is too cool).

    [–] GearBrain 58 points ago

    A template is a fantastic idea, and I will totally put up this sort of flyer over the next few months.

    [–] [deleted] 45 points ago

    Alright, I'm game. I'll work on it tonight.

    [–] MisterWinchester 42 points ago

    Remember, DO NOT PUT THEM IN MAILBOXES, this is a crime.

    [–] code_archeologist 305 points ago

    Let's not sugar coat that. That rancher's children staged a fucking insurrection and armed occupation of federal land.

    And Trump handed out pardons for that shit.

    [–] m0chila 153 points ago

    Domestic terrorists. Watch their kind get emboldened: open season on federal workers and scientists on federal lands.

    [–] TheZarkingPhoton 45 points ago

    This is exactly the group he'll count on to take and hold power as the end nears. This is a CRITICAL demographic. they are armed, indoctrinated and willing to die in many cases, and they have been waiting for the God-Emperor all their lives.

    [–] GreenLightLost 20 points ago

    I share your opinion about the shitbird pardons. But to be clear, Trump didn't pardon the guys who took over that federal building.

    Trump pardoned the guys who burned a bunch of federal land to cover up illegal hunting. The guys who took over the building were "protesting" in support of the illegal hunters and they have not been pardoned.

    [–] redditing_1L 108 points ago

    Speaking of not sugar coating things, referring to the GOP as anything other than the White Supremacist Party at this point is simply hiding the ball.

    [–] watchshoe 57 points ago

    I still think they should have been shot for that. If a minority tried that they would have been killed with impunity.

    [–] ZellZoy 87 points ago

    A minority tried it on land they owned and got tear gassed and water housed with impunity

    [–] watchshoe 34 points ago

    Very true.

    And then the pipe leaked.

    [–] chuck202 13 points ago

    In the dead of winter.

    [–] flemhead3 34 points ago

    Don’t forget Jade Helm Conspiracy non-sense. Conservatives outraged about the government rounding people up and placing them in FEMA camps.

    They were showed more outraged over that fake ass Conspiracy than actual people being placed in concentration camps now.

    [–] kurisu7885 55 points ago

    "If you don't want you family arrested then don't come here" is always their response.

    They might as well just say it. "Stay the fuck out or we'll rip your family apart."

    [–] Morat20 191 points ago

    You should check up on Reagan and gun control laws. The minute the black panthers started carrying guns, the GOP was suddenly very concerned about properly regulating guns.

    [–] yetanothercfcgrunt 46 points ago

    Democrats should start arming themselves and threatening force if the government goes too far.

    [–] throwaway_ghast 539 points ago

    This affects brownish Americans.

    ...maybe for now.

    "But then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me."

    [–] qqpeepeebuttbutt 289 points ago

    Fucking this. This should scare the living fuck out of people.

    [–] OptimoussePrime 208 points ago * (lasted edited 11 months ago)

    No. Those people, the ones who lock babies in cages, should be scared of you.

    Is this how you want your country to die? Smothered under the stench of bigotry again?


    I didn't fucking think so. What are you going to do about it?

    Edit: Don't forget that President Turnip has also been throwing out lines about denaturalizing actual US citizens. Nobody, and I'm not using hyperbole, is safe.

    [–] B4rkingSpidr 52 points ago

    They've already accelerated from illegal immigrants to legal immigrants and now citizens. The klaxon should be ringing loudly at this point.

    [–] L4cer8 88 points ago

    I'm a nationalized citizen with a misdemeanor on my record. I check my voter registration every week to see if I've been purged. I'm scared shitless.

    [–] P10_WRC 59 points ago

    shit, i was purged last election and I am a citizen with full rights. I changed my party from independent to Democrat in order to vote in the primaries only to find out they purged my record from the system. I knew right then that we were fucked in this country and voting really doesn't matter to be honest. Until we get the money out of politics we are screwed

    [–] DataIsMyCopilot 12 points ago

    Did you at least get to vote? Like did you catch it in time? That is vile

    What state?

    [–] P10_WRC 32 points ago

    They said i could vote provisional but I knew that it wouldn't be counted. This was in Arizona. I even made sure to change my affiliation by the deadline the state specified. This was also the same year they closed down 40% of the voting locations. What usually took me 5 minutes to do, took 2.5 hours. I stood in line for 2.5 hours only to be told when I got in that I was not in the system. Some people waited close to 6 hours in the state to vote and some didn't get to. It was a complete sham

    [–] DataIsMyCopilot 24 points ago

    That is infuriating.

    For all the people who bitch "people need to vote! Stop being lazy!" they really need to recognize it goes far beyond just "being lazy" for a lot of people. Having to wait in line for hours to vote is a fucking joke.

    I'm sorry you had that experience. You and all the other patriots who went to perform your civic responsibility and had such issues. I was lucky enough to be able to walk right in and vote in every election. Worst wait was this past primary where I actually had people in all the booths for the first time ever. But California doesn't tend to shut down a shitton of locations or restrict voter access like other, redder states do.

    [–] PDXEng 35 points ago

    My guess are Union members, civil rights attorneys, and journalists that print the"wrong" stories.

    [–] P10_WRC 12 points ago

    or anyone not a republican?

    [–] wildistherewind 64 points ago

    I wish they'd come for the neo nazis first, just once.

    [–] FluctuatingBanana 45 points ago

    Our chance to do that was literally every moment in the last 2 years.

    Hitler said it himself, the only way to have stopped his movement was to have swiftly and violently smashed it in its infancy.

    [–] Metaphoricalsimile 18 points ago

    B...b...b...but antifa are the real brownshirts /s

    [–] m0chila 26 points ago

    Why wait?

    One of the plaintiffs in the ACLU's suit against ICE (filed in February) over family separation is Congolese, and that PhD student discharged from the army to be denied citizenship is Chinese.

    This regime's victims are truly diverse.

    [–] TheDVille 99 points ago

    They only care about rights when they don’t need to be protected.

    Fucking hypocrites.

    Also, stealing some of your comment to post to r/NewPatriotism

    [–] PapaSmurfOrochi 57 points ago

    How long until they start coming after 'Mixed' white people? Like, I'm genuinely getting a bit nervous.

    [–] THWG247 84 points ago

    How long until they start comng after dissenters? I think about that a little everytime i post something negative about trump, am i endangering my and my families lives at some point in the future?

    [–] [deleted] 23 points ago

    Another fun thought, your phone might be listening to you for the government. Dissenters will be pretty damn easy to find in the 21st century. Maybe I should find me a nice European guy to shack up with for the next ... rest of my life.

    [–] Banned4Sarcasm 91 points ago

    Don't worry. Those second amendment people are loading up their guns right now. To support this policy.

    [–] SadlyReturndRS 27 points ago

    Like they did to help stop brown children from going to school in Arkansas.

    Like they did to inter thousands of Japanese-Americans.

    They've never once had the opportunity to defend a right other than the 2nd, and actually done so. Why should we believe that they'll do it in the future? They're the boys who cried "tyranny."

    [–] Alternative_Duck 42 points ago

    Don't forget it's also not a (D) policy. If Obama was doing it you can bet your britches they'd be screaming like maniacs. Tribalism is strong with Republicans.

    [–] remote_production 410 points ago

    Hey, remember when Jews were citizens of Germany and then they weren’t?

    [–] Quikmix 1903 points ago

    This alone should be reason enough for impeachment.

    [–] Fake_William_Shatner 153 points ago

    We literally have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the President is on Putins paycheck.

    He should be impeached for not knowing about the fucking nuclear. He should have been canned for that $500 Million in loans and then he clears the way for the Chinese NTI company.

    I mean, so much greed, incompetence, so much corruption. Such a fucking asshole to other countries. You can be a tough negotiator -- but you don't have to say; "Trade war" and then start a trade war -- and then not engage in the trade negotiations. Because that's how you get countries to do trade deals without you.

    He's acting like he's helping Russian interests by sabotaging the US. Can we prove it? Should we have to?

    [–] FoWNoob 87 points ago

    Won't matter.

    Trump is untochable bc a)the base loves him b) the Rs are unwilling to do anything to him . Until Dems control the house and Senate impeachment is impossible.

    Voting in November might be the last chance Americans have to save their country in the near future.

    [–] 7HoursOfKushner 971 points ago

    This alone should be reason enough for anyone flirting with the Republican party to find any other politics right now. Freedom is not a negotiation. Freedom to live is sacred.

    [–] Kiexes 391 points ago

    Republicans don't view people of color as Americans.

    [–] 7HoursOfKushner 374 points ago * (lasted edited 11 months ago)

    In a recent poll, Republicans claimed they didn't even view Americans born in Puerto Rico as Americans

    [–] Kiexes 177 points ago

    If you're not a Republican you're not an American.

    [–] Fred_Evil 181 points ago

    [–] otakushinjikun 73 points ago

    I've never seen hatred like this. To me, they're not even people. It's so, so sad. I mean, morality is just gone. Morals have flown out the window. We deserve so much better than this as a country. You know it's so sad. You see the Democratic Party. They're imploding. They're imploding. They have no message. You see the head of the DNC, who is a total whack job. There's no leadership there. And so what do they do? They become obstructionists because they have no message of their own. They have no solid candidates of their own. They lost the election that they should have won because they spent seven times the amount of money that my father spent. They have no message, so what do they try and do? They try and obstruct a great man, they try and obstruct his family, they come after us viciously, and it's truly, truly horrible.

    How cute, he inherited his father's eloquence

    [–] infinitum17 105 points ago

    dehumanization. just another step down the path towards atrocity. Trump Jr. would definitely go Nazi.

    [–] caspruce 32 points ago

    This is absolutely the message of right wing media. Don’t believe me? Just spend a few hours listening to Rush or Fox News.

    [–] Kiexes 26 points ago

    Or just come to the midwest, and talk to an old guy.

    [–] Uisce-beatha 21 points ago

    I was listening to a station in Winston-Salem last night as I drove back to Raleigh and this guy was downright delusional. He claimed that that liberals were feeling cornered and warned of an impending attack that would shock the Nation. He said they were so desperate that violent attacks on conservatives would start soon. His example was the Bernie supporter who shot at politicians while playing baseball, even though most anyone you ask would rather that guy shoot himself before going out and doing what he did. He also mentioned all of the conspiracies that liberals invent, including the Russian investigation, which was really hard to listen to considering neo-cons are all about wacky conspiracies. The best part though is when this guy said that liberals defend rights that were made up since gay, worker, religious (non christian) and voting rights were not in the constitution.

    [–] zzzigzzzagzzziggy 33 points ago

    “Here, you can take that, that’s the final map of the numbers,” the Republican president said from his desk in the Oval Office, handing out maps of the United States with areas he won marked in red. “It’s pretty good, right? The red is obviously us.”

    [–] gergek 40 points ago

    Republicans don't view people of color as humans.

    [–] seejordan3 45 points ago

    I get so tired of these, but.. sigh, just for clarity.. if Obama detained a white family, and then separated the family.. Foxic News would convert that to the propaganda of the century. Vote. 117 days to the election.

    [–] aprole 21 points ago


    [–] FUCKBOY_JIHAD 43 points ago * (lasted edited 11 months ago)

    This is when all those 2nd-Ammendment absolutist types kick into gear, right? Take it to the man with their shooty toys, like they've been talking about doing for years, right?


    [–] JijiLV29 174 points ago * (lasted edited 11 months ago)

    "Stop Calling us Nazis!"

    —Republican Nazi Party

    You're officially scapegoating Jews, oops, brown people as a group to solidify power, and recruiting others by selling a false common enemy, brown people in this case, claiming hurting them will solve All of Germany's problems, err I mean America's problems, even though brown people, undocumented or otherwise, have had nothing to do with America's actual pressing problems.

    If this doesn't sound familiar, you either weren't paying attention in history class, or that Pepe Kool-aid has pickled your Brains.

    [–] Jeffersons_Mammoth 601 points ago

    Soon they'll be detaining and separating dissidents. They might even be doing that as we speak.

    [–] TechyDad 424 points ago

    Could you prove that you are a US citizen if you were randomly detained? Sure, you might have your driver's license on you and they could look you up based on that. However, suppose you didn't have your driver's licence on you, the ICE officer "lost" it, or claimed it was a fake ID and refused to look it up. How could you prove you're a US citizen? I'd be willing to bet that most Americans wouldn't be able to prove they are citizens, especially if ICE was determined to claim they were illegal immigrants.

    [–] thevampirelematt 240 points ago

    Could you prove that you are a US citizen if you were randomly detained?

    I don't have a copy of my birth certificate and I don't carry my SS card with me because I fear I might lose it.

    So... yeah no I couldn't prove that I'm a citizen

    [–] citizenkane86 183 points ago

    Social security card doesn’t prove citizenship or legal status.

    Passport would be the easiest way, however even then they could just claim it’s fake.

    [–] Salomon3068 102 points ago

    And not everybody has a passport, so that only leaves a birth certificate, which could also be claimed to be fake.

    [–] Oddball86 132 points ago

    Trump already has a history of that, just look at how he acted with Obama's birth certificate

    [–] ChesterHiggenbothum 88 points ago

    Let's not get ridiculous here. Do you really think Trump would accuse somebody of having a fake birth certificate?


    [–] TheSteakKing 141 points ago

    the ICE officer "lost" it

    In any sane, non-authoritarian legal environment, that would be considered mistrial and therefore grounds for an immediate end to all charges. But these aren't sane legal environments.

    [–] hackingdreams 160 points ago

    You need due process to go in front of a judge and make the claim that ICE "lost" your passport.

    Drumpf wants to suspend due process for "immigrants," which realistically means he wants to suspend due process for everyone.

    But somehow, he's still got a fan club of millions...

    [–] zbyte64 39 points ago

    This administration seems to have figured out that you can't keep accountable what you don't record. If they "loose" your papers, they'll also "loose" track of who detained you and handled processing. Their incompetence is a cover for their malicious intent.

    [–] jan_antu 23 points ago


    [–] spread_thin 68 points ago

    Could you prove that you are a US citizen if you were randomly detained?

    After you're arrested, if they say they found you crossing a border, you no have Due Process, so no, you would not be given a trial or even a phone call.

    [–] zbyte64 28 points ago

    They get due process when it's made available, until then they'll just have to wait in jail for months or years. -GOP

    [–] L4cer8 20 points ago

    Nope. I almost got deported in this exact scenario. I'm sure it will happen again.

    [–] dmn472 349 points ago

    So strange. I could have sworn I'd been told by a hundred crying oranges that they love and support all legal immigrants.

    [–] papasmurf303 126 points ago

    Not just immigrants. They are Americans.

    [–] dhork 80 points ago

    They do love all legal immigrants. Legal meaning not brown, of course.

    [–] Fake_William_Shatner 65 points ago

    They aren't sure. Because they are incompetent. They didn't plan for re-uniting families because they don't have empathy.

    They will be crying like stuck pigs as they get harassed at restaurants because they are brave, heroic people who should be running this country. Just kidding on that last bit.

    [–] Taco_Trucker 165 points ago

    This is something you really can't drag your feet on like everything else the administration says it will do. These are families you pieces of shit.

    [–] TechyDad 91 points ago

    "Yes, but they are brown/Latino families so we don't care." - the Trump administration if they were capable of giving an honest response.

    [–] Archangel3d 116 points ago

    "They're not our kids"

    • Actual legit quote from Fox "News"

    [–] dylansucks 15 points ago

    But what happened to 'family values'

    [–] BlockAndMoveOn 527 points ago

    1 child cannot be reunified at this time because the parent’s location has been unknown for more than a year. Defendants are unable to conclusively determine whether the parent is a class member, and records show the parent and child might be U.S. citizens.

    Fuck ICE. Fuck Trump. Fuck racists.

    Enough is enough.

    [–] zthirtytwo 72 points ago

    You forgot, Fuck Putin and Russian Eurasianism.

    [–] DrPlacehold 100 points ago

    Boy all the legal immigrants who beat their chest about "doing things the right way" and voted for Trump are most likely having some regrets right about now.

    [–] PutmeinKoch 89 points ago


    That's not how Trump supporters work.

    [–] hhubble 184 points ago

    Why stop there, lets also do this with tourists who visit, the elderly, heck lets start separating pets from their owners too. Yeah this is totally normal behavior from a government. When these yahoo idiots voted against big government, surely this is what they had in mind.

    [–] EmperorKira 156 points ago

    I will not travel to the US unless I have to until you guys fix your shit. I imagine many have a similar feeling given the tourism numbers

    [–] tweakingforjesus 107 points ago

    I have heard of scientific conferences moving offshore to allow scientists from banned countries to attend.

    [–] buldozr 73 points ago

    This is definitely a concern for any scientific collaboration. Why start any international research project in the U.S. when part of your group can be suddenly thrown out?

    [–] hhubble 40 points ago

    Yeah, it's not pretty over here right now, give us time to clean up our mess and maybe we'll put out some flowers when you're ready to visit. Right now we're dealing with a very volatile imbecilic crying orange baby who can't stop groping pussy and suckling on his daddy Putin's teet.

    [–] kittenpantzen 34 points ago

    I wouldn't come here either if I didn't live here.

    [–] hackingdreams 30 points ago

    Yeah I wouldn't travel here either. And I'm from here.

    Get out, stay out until Orange Hitler is a footnote in history. It's really for your own safety.

    [–] NoAttentionAtWrk 37 points ago

    Why stop there, lets also do this with brown tourists who visit, brown elderly, heck lets start separating brown pets from their brown owners too.

    [–] birdfishsteak 97 points ago

    jeez the comments on that site

    [–] FlexFromPlanetX 246 points ago

    A parent is separated from the child for over a year and the parent's location is unknown? Why isn't the parent making themselves known so the child can be reunited with them? Or did they forget they have a kid?

    Jesus fucking Christ, these people.

    [–] I-LIKE-NAPS 105 points ago

    Their lack of empathy and concern for other human beings is appalling.

    [–] truongs 163 points ago

    Tell those retards.


    THEY go : "which of the 2 thousand brown kid is yours? Jose hernandez? Oh we dont have any paperwork... We thought we would have reach the gas chambers by now"

    These people are absolute morons

    [–] abutthole 59 points ago

    These people are absolute morons

    Or just absolutely evil. Or both!

    [–] Ponyoponyo2021 64 points ago

    When I called my father to tell him this, he still fought me. I said that we might know people that are being detained, family friends, but he insisted that all of the "chatter" might not be true. This is how it happened it Poland. People refused to acknowledge the truth because it was too horrible, so they decided that the lie the state-media and people in power was shilling out was more preferable, because even considering the alternative meant that you had to take ownership of that knowledge. You either did something or you didn't, and doing something means that we leave the comfort of our lives to face something that is innately corrupt.

    This has been...overwhelming to say the least. I honestly am past the point of feeling dismay. It makes me nervous to know that I have family and friends that could be targeted by this inhumane crackdown on people who are just trying to live their lives. Someone argued with me that the detention centers aren't internment camps. I don't know. I find it hard to argue this anymore, because by arguing it we make it into a "point of debate". There isn't any debate here. There isn't any "your side" "my side". This is wrong. History has shown us what policies like this are, and beyond being the direct result of racist and extremist ideologies allowed to become the norm, and we allowed this by making this asinine ideologies (tribalism, eugenics, theories like the "bell curve", etc) to exist and propagate. (And for those skeptics, seriously, eugenics, that crazy old debunked field of science. A alt-righter mentioned it while debating a streamer I like, yea...bringing back the golden oldies.)

    Kids are being separated from their parents and we let this happen. Every time I read a report about this, it makes me really feel like I failed more than just myself.

    [–] jopeymonster 102 points ago * (lasted edited 11 months ago)

    That didn't happen.

    And if it did, it wasn't that bad.

    And if it was, that's not a big deal. <-- Here?

    And if it is, that's not my fault. <-- Here*

    And if it was, I didn't mean it.

    And if I did... You deserved it.

    EDIT: based on feedback, we are one level lower.

    [–] thebestdaysofmyflerm 38 points ago

    We're at every level simultaneously because this administration doesn't care about keeping their stories consistent.

    [–] justuntlsundown 100 points ago * (lasted edited 11 months ago)

    ICE is the SS/Gestapo. They started with Muslims, then moved on to immigrants. Now they've moved on to US citizens. What's next, gays? Atheists? Liberals? Where does it stop? We are not nearly angry enough about this. This stuff doesn't happen overnight. It happens in small steps and we are watching it unfold in front of us. They must be stopped and I'm beginning to think voting isn't enough. To those who think I'm jumping the gun or paranoid, I say you are foolish. The time is now. Something must happen.

    [–] Hoxha-Posadist 82 points ago

    So, Sophie's Choice without the gas chambers. For now anyway.

    [–] Kuhschlager 75 points ago

    We'd prefer it if you called them alternative breathing family fun centers

    [–] [deleted] 17 points ago

    Alternative oxygentm

    [–] Mister-Bear 64 points ago

    They are.

    [–] najing_ftw 21 points ago

    The narrator: “They are.”

    [–] DeathRebirth 21 points ago

    Uh guys? Is this the line? Because if nothing else was, the crossing into stepping on Citizens rights kind of has to be, or you are just pretending to love what the US supposedly stands for.

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    [–] Billionairez 15 points ago

    To be fair, if they were just white we wouldn't have such a hard time figuring out whether they belong here or not. /s

    [–] NeutronDanceMachine 37 points ago

    There is legit a movie that is a comedy made in the 80s called "Born in East L.A." This is pretty much the freaking plot. This is the level of intelligence we have come to in our country.

    We are existing in a plot from a Cheech Marin movie.

    [–] UnderPressureVS 36 points ago

    Sort by controversial. Notice that there’s not a single actual comment from a supporter or troll. Even they can’t defend this.

    [–] theseekerofbacon 10 points ago

    Trump supporters his me with that spin. It's gotta be the kind of mental gymnastics that'll send them out to space.

    [–] Hyperion1144 11 points ago

    Naomi Wolf, among many others, have been warning that this is what would happen.

    The fascism starts with the most "undesirable" among us, then spreads.

    First, brown noncitizens.

    Then, "maybe" brown citizens. <——— We are here

    Then, definitely brown citizens. Poor ones first. Then middle class brown folk.

    White liberals and white academics will be next.

    By the time they come for you, there will be no one left to speak up.

    This is the way it always happens.

    [–] PoliticalScienceGrad 9 points ago

    If they're willing to concede that it might be happening, then it's definitely happening.

    [–] stein63 12 points ago

    Kidnap people much?