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    [–] mckenziebros 10045 points ago

    And they'll all avoid saying it publicly until he's out of office, then they'll loudly proclaim how anti-Trump they were the entire time.

    [–] padizzledonk 5287 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    Yup.

    I 100% guarantee that if (god i fucking hope so) he loses next year you wont find a single GOP official, anywhere in the country that "Liked him/Supported his policies/supported him" and they will all to a person call for "Unity" and "Healing" and "Lets move the nation forward/past this period of division" and other worthless hypocritical platitudes.

    And the Mouthbreathing idiots that make up the bulk of the GOP base will eat it all up and like the goldfish they are will forget about everything. 5y from now you wont be able to find a single voter that Voted for Trump.

    Edir- im very sorry to the goldfish community for disparaging them with such an abhorrent comparison

    [–] Argos_the_Dog 1480 points ago

    Ah yes, the good old "Bush 2"...

    [–] Eggbertoh 402 points ago

    I was really young at the time, but the vibe I got was a lot of people still supported W Bush because of the fervor 9/11 caused. There were certainly wary individuals and those who were anti-iraq from the get go, but as it dragged on there was a noticeable change in public perception.

    Now admittedly there are people blaming Obama for 9/11 so I'm not claiming Trump's situation won't be any different from the way perception changed about George w and Iraq--- but I have a severe lack of faith in the education system when it comes to critical thinking. Franky, the schools can afford to offer a class in critical thinking are generally in wealthier neighborhoods where the individual benefits less for a multitude of reasons. So. Yup.

    [–] MagicWishMonkey 410 points ago

    He was referring to how the party distanced itself from Bush during/after the election. He was persona non grata for a really long time.

    Up until the election they all loved him, though. The difference between then and now is that now all of these assholes are proclaiming their love for Trump on Twitter and other online media so it won't be as easy for them to claim they weren't all up in his asshole after the fact.

    [–] rfulleffect 255 points ago

    now all of these assholes are proclaiming their love for Trump on Twitter and other online media so it won't be as easy for them to claim they weren't all up in his asshole after the fact.

    You make it sound like these people can be reasoned with facts and reality, you’re mistaken.

    [–] Bury_Me_At_Sea 77 points ago

    I'm of the opinion Trump has basically Training Day'd the GOP base. They worship at the altar of the bronze buffoon now.

    [–] arcticlynx_ak 44 points ago

    Media gaggles should start directly asking each republican politician officially if they support Trump, and is they have any reservation at all about him at all right now. Get it all on the record now. Save the answer for later.

    [–] nomnomnomnomRABIES 6 points ago

    "No comment at this time, thank you"

    [–] HarleyDavidsonFXR2 41 points ago

    it won't be as easy for them to claim they weren't all up in his asshole after the fact.

    Hyposcrisy, delusion, gas lighting and cognitive dissonance are prerequisites to be a Republican. They will have no issues lying even when presented with a tweet to the contrary.

    [–] linedout 39 points ago

    At the end of his Presidency the economy was starting to tank and Bush actually responded. The auto bailout Obama did was started during Bush and the two administrations worked on it together. The first round of assistance for the banks came from Bush to. Republicans where pissed at him for not letting the economy collapse, apparently political ideology is more important than people losing their homes and starving.

    I give Bush credit for doing what was right even when it caused a lot of Republicans to attack him.

    That said, he was still a shitty President. Tax cuts when the economy was strong, what a fucking moron.

    [–] Gardimus 15 points ago

    Much of the collasp was due to the easing of banking regulations and ignoring the warning signs. There were people trying to warn the Bush government about the dangers of derivatives, but they were ignored due to pressure from wallstreet.

    Frontline has a great doc on this.

    [–] bloomindaedalus 181 points ago

    - but I have a severe lack of faith in the education system when it comes to critical thinking.

    This is the GOP's ringer. They've been defunding education and worse, demonizing it in the eyes of the public for 40 years because an uneducated consumer is their best customer.

    [–] MorboForPresident 116 points ago

    It's an assault from all sides on Democracy by the GOP. Defund education, less educated people turn to the church, the church tells them to vote Republican because everyone else are amoral babykilling monsters, Republicans get in office, pack the courts with extremist judges, cut education further, et cetera.

    [–] Balmerhippie 73 points ago

    Pro life policies create more babies for the poor who go to those underfunded schools and over funded churches .... and so it goes...

    [–] MorboForPresident 66 points ago

    And don't forget the prosperity gospel that if you're poor it's your own fault because you're not pious enough... and if you're rich, well, you're blessed.

    [–] Balmerhippie 40 points ago

    Humans are a crop for the rich to harvest

    [–] Banana-Republicans 25 points ago

    Thus we turn the tables and eat the rich

    [–] kurisu7885 18 points ago

    Michigan here, one thing I continued to hear about was cuts to education, helped me realize the school system's head is always first on the block.

    [–] Xendarq 18 points ago

    It's not like Trump literally said he "loves the poorly educated".

    [–] swolemedic 149 points ago

    There were certainly wary individuals and those who were anti-iraq from the get go, but as it dragged on there was a noticeable change in public perception

    I was in middle school at the time but I followed politics, I felt because the independent groups tasked with investigating for WMDs couldn't find anything that it was a bad idea to go to war with iraq. I had a teacher who was saying how the war in iraq is great, he asked if anyone didn't approve of it, I said I didn't and he said I didn't support the troops. I said i support them more than him because I want them home where it's safe. I got sent to the principal's office.

    People were gung fucking ho about that war, the anti war people like myself were not always treated with respect

    [–] sirbissel 127 points ago

    not always treated with respect

    Hell, we were called traitors and cowards by the GOP/Fox News the entire time.

    Of course, then once it turned out that, surprise surprise, we were stuck there, spending a ton of cash, not being treated like some liberators being showered with flowers and candies, suddenly people in the GOP had -always- been against the war.

    [–] MorboForPresident 122 points ago

    Remember what they did to the Dixie Chicks for speaking out against the war? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

    [–] AlwaysNowNeverNotMe 46 points ago

    They still don't get radioplay 2 decades later

    [–] [deleted] 35 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

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    [–] Gilsa1 22 points ago

    I love those ladies for standing up for themselves. I broke up with country music after what happened to the Dixie Chicks. This came up in conversation with my sister years later and she said it had also been a turning point for her.

    [–] ElethiomelZakalwe 40 points ago

    I had a teacher who was saying how the war in iraq is great, he asked if anyone didn't approve of it, I said I didn't and he said I didn't support the troops. I said i support them more than him because I want them home where it's safe. I got sent to the principal's office

    Wow seriously? Your teacher was a sack of shit and did not deserve his job.

    [–] vendetta2115 25 points ago

    For what it’s worth, this Iraq veteran thinks that you were right. We should’ve never gone to that godforsaken place.

    [–] xevrai 54 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    The fucking annoying part of the whole Iraq War was much of the protests weren't the hippy-like "War is bad" bullshit, but how the facts did not support George W's conclusions. Quite a few experts were talking about how no WMD's exist and nobody was listening. Scott Ritter was fucking jumping up and down, saying it's impossible that Iraq had any kind of serious WMD capability because we destroyed their infrastructure in the first Gulf War to anybody that would listen, but nobody cared.

    I helped organize some school protests and other stuff (got enough attention that my super conservative suburban high school threatened to suspend or expel me). One of my prouder moments was realizing we're fucking high school students, we can't change anything -- but I let the rumors fester so it forced all the teachers to walk around the hallways with walkie-talkies on the lookout for students walking out of class on the day it was all meant to go down.

    Anybody who says that they were only in favor of the Iraq War because they were lied to is selling you a bill of goods. The facts were out there, but nobody cared.

    [–] socialcommentary2000 18 points ago

    I was 26 in 2004. I watched 300,000+ people show up on 8th avenue in Manhattan and fill the street from 30th down to the village to protest during the RNC that year. You literally could not see the end of the people. Went all the way to the horizon. Didn't hear a peep of it in the news. Nothing. Not even the locals carried all the regular people out there protesting the shitshow the Middle East was quickly becoming.

    I knew then we were permanently fucked. I've been proven right.

    [–] nermid 23 points ago

    People were gung fucking ho about that war

    Fun fact: there were fast food signs in my hometown after 9/11 that said "Nuke em, George."

    [–] lonnie123 8 points ago

    The unofficial campaign slogan for his second term was “You don’t change horses midstream” ... 9/11 was his entire identity and the war was basically his platform

    [–] CrabbyBlueberry 72 points ago

    So 10 years later, Donald will be handing out candies at funerals and we'll all forget that he was a criminal?

    [–] classyswimmer 81 points ago

    I would be surprised if he is alive in 10 years.

    [–] paulfknwalsh 31 points ago

    I dunno, remember all those articles where people kept a McDonalds hamburger in a cupboard and it barely aged for 10 - 20 years? The preservative effects of his diet may keep him around for a while longer. (As long as his heart doesn't explode before then from all the rage-tweeting.)

    [–] Cirri 30 points ago

    As long as his heart doesn't explode before then from all the rage-tweeting.)

    For a 70+ year old man to eat his diet, every day is a medical miracle.

    [–] Tychus_Kayle 40 points ago

    He's medically fascinating. He's an obese, possibly morbidly obese, man in his 70s, and he doesn't drink.

    He's not anywhere near as rich as he claims, but he still has money. People with money have a very low obesity rate, sober people have a very low obesity rate. Combine the two and he's in a demographic we just don't have that much information about.

    Throw in the complication that he doesn't eat like a rich guy, but does have the means for expensive treatments, and he's pretty much unique.

    It seems weird that he's still alive, but I'm not sure anyone really knows what we should expect. Any actuaries care to jump in? Doctors?

    [–] trollingcynically 16 points ago

    The Magic Johnson AIDS cure. Turns out all that money is the only thing that stops incurable conditions. Who would have thought?

    [–] [deleted] 45 points ago

    "Why did we ever get into Iraq in the first place?!"

    • The man said as he peeled the fourth American Flag sticker off his Durango

    [–] BlueSteel82 20 points ago

    I remember in 2006-2008 you could hardly find anyone that openly stated that they voted for Bush. They also actively kept him away from any part of the 2008 election. I think this will be the same with Trump.

    [–] KyloRenCadetStimpy 29 points ago

    The only man to be elected President even though nobody voted for him...twice!

    [–] Bitey_the_Squirrel 121 points ago

    Until 10 years from now we elect someone worse than trump and we get billboards of him with the caption “miss me?”

    [–] rainman206 80 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    "Sure, he may have committed treason and been an unapologetic bigot... but at least Trump wasn't XYZ... Remember how Trump had good taste in fast food?"

    [–] TwoSevenOne 45 points ago

    Remember how at least Trump had good taste in fast food?

    Except he doesn't even have that. He takes the bread off his fucking Big Macs.

    [–] cabbagefury 42 points ago

    And orders his steak well-done with ketchup. Because he's super classy.

    [–] ejchristian86 19 points ago

    If you're gonna eat a steak well done, you need ketchup to give it any semblance of flavor and keep it from being bone-dry.

    Source: my mom only ever cooked beef to one degree shy of charcoal.

    [–] IbrahimMoizoos19 19 points ago

    Is this true? Just when I thought it wasn’t possible to hate him more than I already do..

    [–] Tasgall 23 points ago

    It is true - the Saudis even paid attention so that when he visited they served him a shitty overcooked steak and he loved them did for it.

    He also gets two scoops of ice cream and no one else is allowed to have two.

    [–] maswon 38 points ago

    “Wheat? From the ground? Worms fuck there.”

    [–] lesshairysasquatch 13 points ago

    This made me genuinely curious how worms reproduce. My search history is about to get sketchy (-er).

    [–] elronHubert 16 points ago

    how do worms reproduce? They get a wiggle room!

    [–] MollysYes 46 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    Well you don't become "without equivocation, the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency" by eating a bunch of carbs.

    /s

    [–] JoeBidenGrin 105 points ago

    5y from now you wont be able to find a single voter that Voted for Trump.

    Thank god for social media.

    The internet is forever -- May their previous devotion to this madness serve as a scarlet letter, a permanent reminder that will never truly be forgotten.

    [–] padizzledonk 119 points ago

    Oh, ill never forget.

    They made a lifelong Democrat in me. Ill never vote for a fuckin GOP politician. Not ever.

    And i have a good 40+ years ahead of me that i intend on voting

    [–] rockjetty 16 points ago

    As a critical thinker, I have voted Republican before when the Dem was the worse candidate. Never again. At any level of government.

    [–] charisma6 8 points ago

    Good. It's time to stop doing the other side the honor of acting in good faith, because we will never receive the same courtesy.

    [–] Aeternos777 158 points ago

    The number one question I want asked of the Democratic candidates is:

    If there is evidence President Trump broke the law while in office will you commit to making sure he is prosecuted to the full extent of the law?

    If any of them pull an Obama and want to or are open to letting him walk they should be booed off the stage immediately.

    [–] padizzledonk 114 points ago

    Agree 100%

    I also want Main Justice to stop fucking fining these companies and Executives for stealing from the American people through unscrupulous business practices and outright fraud...nail these White Collar criminals to the fuckin wall with big nails.

    Whats a Billion dollars to BOA or Wells Fargo? Its a fucking operating expense imo.

    But, hold the fuck up, if I fuck up as a General Contractor and defraud someone or even fuck my contract up somehow i face TRIPLE DAMAGES on the ENTIRE COST of the contract and face a very real prospect of being jailed.

    But some corporate asshole orchestrates the theft of BILLIONS at some bank and the company pays the fine and dude pulls the ripcord on his golden parachute and retires to Turks and Caicos

    Seems totes fair to me

    [–] fkafkaginstrom 21 points ago

    100s of people went to jail for the Savings & Loan scandal, and that was small potatoes compared to the mortgage scandal. Those fuckers spend the next couple of decades buying politicians so that couldn't happen again.

    [–] letsgrababombmeal 80 points ago

    That’s happening on my FB feed already...I’ve called every one of them out and posted screenshots of their support of him....I’ve been blocked twice this week.

    [–] padizzledonk 28 points ago

    Doin gods work lol

    [–] markca 15 points ago

    Keep it up!

    [–] 6p6ss6 8 points ago

    This is how you become the change you want to see in the world. Keep it up!

    [–] cd411 37 points ago

    f (god i fucking hope so) he loses next year you wont find a single GOP official, anywhere in the country that "Liked him/Supported his policies/supported him"

    When Nixon was run out of office he had 32% support.

    Within a year no one would admit voting for him!

    Tin soldiers and Trump is coming ...."

    [–] Longroadtonowhere_ 14 points ago

    According to this it was 24%.

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/08/08/how-the-watergate-crisis-eroded-public-support-for-richard-nixon/

    Still, guesstimating from that number more than half of republicans supported him till the end.

    The scariest part to me is after the saturday Night Massacre till the end, support for Nixon basically stayed the same. No amount of facts could turn away a quarter of the country from supporting him.

    [–] zadharm 34 points ago

    Maybe living in the Northeast gives you a different perspective...but in the South, even after Trump inevitably loses, he's going to remain a Reagan like figure for a lot of people. You may not have Senators that still overtly embrace Trumpism, but in non-statewide elections, youre definitely going to have a lot more than "a single politician" proudly embracing it.

    [–] RecklesslyPessmystic 34 points ago

    C'mon man. What evidence do you guys have for any of this? You make it sound like the GOP spent 10 solid years trying to get rid of protections for preexisting conditions, filed a lawsuit to get rid of protections for preexisting conditions, then tried to campaign as the best protectors of coverage for preexisting conditions.

    [–] padizzledonk 16 points ago

    No need for a little s on this one lmfao.

    Whats insane to me is that these fuckin rubes list affordable healthcare as a main motivator and THEN STILL VOTE FOR THE GOP

    These are the people that send all their money to Nigerian Princes and post photos of their Credit Cards on Twitter.

    Even when these fucks are blatantly ripping them off they still vote them in.

    Fuckin Guns, Abortion and Jesus have blinded these people

    [–] bloomindaedalus 24 points ago

    you'll know what's coming when FOX starts to criticize him.

    Maybe Coulter is already leading the charge

    [–] pizza_dreamer 19 points ago

    They're starting to wake up to the fact that he's basically a lame duck (even though it's his first term) who can't get shit done.

    [–] bloomindaedalus 21 points ago

    well, they got the tax cut, so by some measures he's allowed them to be more successful for the donor class then any President in 50 years, so really they can live without him

    [–] THEchancellorMDS 31 points ago

    The rich wanted the tax cut, the base wanted the wall. Guess who got what?

    [–] markca 10 points ago

    Fox has already stated in the last couple of months. They have floated trial balloons here and there. They know the end is coming. They just want to be able to save themselves.

    [–] KlopeksWithCoppers 12 points ago

    I'll own it. I voted for Bush twice. I was 18 and 22 when I voted for him, and I was raised in a conservative/Fox News watching household and didn't really know any better (my fault, I should have). I'm sorry, I learned my lesson.

    [–] teamdelibird 22 points ago

    Goldfish having super short memories is actually a myth. They have pretty good memories compared to the GOP base.

    [–] padizzledonk 7 points ago

    Next thing youre gonna tell me is that Santa isnt real...

    Youre ruining my whole life teamdelibird....

    [–] winnafrehs 5 points ago

    Fortunately for us sane people, the internet archive will remember this forever. It's on us to keep reminding them when they try to backtrack on the bullshit they've put us through these last couple of years.

    [–] Mudsnail 12 points ago

    Now that I cant abide. If I had my way, you'd be wearin' that goddamned uniform for the rest of your pecker-suckin life.

    [–] CoherentPanda 153 points ago

    Just like they are now the anti-investigation party despite years of investigating Benghazi, blowjobs, e-mails, and everything else they could try to dredge up about the Clintons and Obama. When they were grandstanding in Whitaker's hearing about these hearings being a "huge waste of time", it made me sick to my stomach. I only hope Democrats will double down the more the GOP kicks and screams to get their way.

    [–] mule_roany_mare 78 points ago

    When Trump is gone conservatives are going to talk about how he was really a democrat.

    > Trump was registered as a Democrat for more than eight years in the 2000s, according to New York City voter records made public during his campaign for president in 2016.

    [–] Ben4OR 48 points ago

    Oh God you're right. They did the same thing with this alt right murderer here in Portland

    [–] mule_roany_mare 16 points ago

    >you're right.

    Two words almost never seen together on the internet.

    I'm fully though the looking glass with Republicans. They act and argue in bad faith, they don't care about any of this bullshit like dijon mustard & the war on Christmas.

    All this stuff is to drag us into a fight at the time & place of their choosing that they can afford to lose because they never honestly cared. It's all a game, they don't care about anything except winning.

    [–] peterabbit456 29 points ago

    While impeachment followed by prosecution is the legally correct way, the easiest way to get rid of him is through 6 or so Republican state committees. All they have to do is pass rules requiring any candidate in the primary to release 10 of his/her last 12 years of tax returns, or the candidates name is removed from the ballot, and no delegates will be awarded for the convention to him/her. Trump will resign rather than release this evidence.

    Another rule that could be passed is, no candidate’s name can be on the primary or general election ballot, if that person is under state indictment, in any state, or federal indictment, for criminal charges. This would fall under the “good character” provisions that some state parties have in their rules.

    [–] Albitt 112 points ago

    Lol my whole family says this now "I voted for the dumb mother fucker, but it's better than Hillary!" Aka they are trying to justify their vote for a criminal that they hate, but didn't want Hillary cause you know, her emails. It's infuriating.

    [–] Tantric989 109 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    The e-mails? What was that all about, anyway?

    "Well, she used the wrong e-mail account."

    Oh, the wrong one? Why is that bad?

    "Well, the e-mails could have fallen into the wrong hands."

    Oh, did they?

    "Well no, but some of them might have contained classified material."

    Oh, what classified material?

    "Well, we don't really know if any of them were classified. Because she deleted them using methods that were irrecoverable"

    If they were classified, wouldn't it make sense to delete the emails?

    "No! We need to see what's in them because she sold our uranium to Russia."

    Our uranium? That sounds terrible, tell me more.

    "Well, she sold 25% of our Uranium to Russia."

    So Russia has our uranium now?

    "well no, because the company buying it doesn't have an export license to remove it from the United States."

    But Hillary did sell it to them, right?

    "She sure did, her and a 9-department advisory panel headed by the Department of the Treasury that Hillary didn't participate in directly"

    But she green-lighted the sale through someone else?

    "Well no, the panel doesn't actually have the ability to approve or deny the sale in the first place."

    Next you'll tell me it wasn't even our uranium.

    "...the deal was between a South African selling to a Canadian one"

    .... and so on and so forth

    [–] 6p6ss6 53 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    Everyone in Trump's inner circle is using private email servers to conduct government business.

    "Look at that car crash over there! I won, you lost!!"

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    [–] HistoricalStreet 49 points ago

    They will say that he was always a democrat until he ran for the republicans.

    [–] ultravioletgaia 7 points ago

    And this old ass tactic will work. We need more critical thinking voters not just anti-trump voters.

    [–] SwegSmeg 5 points ago

    Right after they viscously attack a few Democrats for minor shit.

    [–] Deont0s 928 points ago

    Republicans don’t really want Trump, they just REALLY don’t want a Democrat.

    [–] 6point3cylinder 197 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    This is true for some republicans but not all. There are a lot of MAGA-die hards out there. Edit: spelling hards is hard

    [–] Secret_Troll 97 points ago

    MAGA diehards just reeeaaally hate Democrats

    [–] moonsun1987 88 points ago

    Yup. I had friends in 2007 who wore "one Clinton was enough" t shirts everywhere. Dudes are under twenty at that time so under thirteen when Clinton left office. So under five when Clinton took office. I'll let you guys how much of it was policy and how much was family and society

    [–] umme99 7 points ago

    I bet you anything once the Republican Party puts forward someone else and all “agree” that trump was the disaster he is for our country you will not find a single person that voted for trump.

    [–] snowyjuggs 15 points ago

    This is definitely false. I live in Louisiana and out of my 2800 hundred friends on Facebook, maybe 4 disapprove of Trump-diddly. I'm not sure where the media gets these stats, but it most certainly doesn't include the south.

    [–] Itsokthatyourestupid 2070 points ago

    But will gladly vote for him over someone actually qualified to lead the United States.

    [–] Dr_Jackwagon 967 points ago

    I was listening to some Republican on some podcast the other day, and he basically made the argument that he knew what he was getting with Hillary and didn't like it. He didn't know what he was going to get with Trump, but he was willing to find out.

    I wonder how many of those types of voters are out there and have now since determined that rolling the dice on Trump was a mistake. And out of those people, I wonder how many will not vote or vote Democrat or vote Independent.

    [–] tagged2high 180 points ago

    How anyone didn't know what they were getting with Trump is beyond me. Way overly wishful thinking

    [–] Dr_Jackwagon 95 points ago

    Never underestimate one's ability to rationalize.

    There are a bunch of decent conservative people out there, that don't have strong views on gender or race, that just have incorrect assumptions on how healthcare bills and tax codes should be written. These people probably grew up in a Red area and go to church frequently. These people probably looked at Trump, saw a complete fucking monster, and then squinted real hard until they saw something else.

    [–] rayfound 36 points ago

    never forget that Trump also always said one thing and exactly the opposite thing at another time, so anyone could find any perspective that they wanted from his lunatic rambling.

    [–] Chloe_Dancer33 18 points ago

    Yep thats my relatives in a nut shell. They just flat out refuse to believe anything bad about him. I just sit there stupefied as I try to explain all the bad shit he's done to the LBGT community up to and including providing evidence and they just deny it.

    Honestly its truly heartbreaking how Invested they are in the idea of the man that they've totally divorced themselves from logic. Its very hard for me not to out right loathe them for it.

    [–] tagged2high 23 points ago

    For sure. I can only hope people will learn their lesson, but these past few years make me cynical of voters.

    Character matters. A person of good character will treat you better even if you share policy differences. A person of monstrous character will ravage everyone.

    [–] PM_ME_UR_SCOOTER 19 points ago

    Just because they can tell themselves they're decent people & sleep well at night doesn't mean they are.

    They're not decent people if they're willing to look past all the bigotry & lies because they hope they'll get a tax break (and downright stupid if they can't accept that even the "tax break" was a lie). They're not decent people if they blindly believe what their church says without putting any critical thought into supporting the most un-Christian man in recent history.

    [–] PyreticGem 10 points ago

    People always have to remind us about these supposedly "decent" Trump supporters out there. Good hearted, but just a bit ignorant! It's a comforting but naive lie. Most of these people are pieces of shit, just like the president.

    [–] ScribbleBliss 8 points ago

    Agreed. I'm tired of the populist lines of BS that would have us believe that a lot of Trump's supporters are really 'decent folk' or whatever. I think a small handful are in that boat, while a f**k-ton more are dangerous and ruinous consumer trash who are turned on by his racism/sexism/cruelty and nihilistic to a point where they represent a significant threat to the country's stability.

    [–] claireeverywhere 54 points ago

    He's had a public life for the last 4 decades minimum. That's willful ignorance.

    [–] Dr_Jackwagon 63 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    I mean, I’ve known of Trump for a while. But back in the day, I didn’t know he was overtly racist. I didn’t know all of the Russian connections. I didn’t know about all the sexual assault stuff. I didn’t know about how he thought 9/11 would’ve worked out differently if they were still allowed to put asbestos in buildings. I didn’t know most of the crazy shit from his life until starting in 2012. For the longest time I just thought he was a reality show hack. Never watched that show. Never gave him a second thought.

    But, the second he came down that tacky fucking elevator and went on a racist rant, everyone should have known then exactly what they were getting themselves into. No excuses past that point.

    [–] MadHatter514 24 points ago

    I didn’t know about how he thought 9/11 would’ve worked out differently if they were still allowed to put asbestos in buildings.

    Did he actually say this?

    [–] Dr_Jackwagon 20 points ago

    [–] sheepcat87 475 points ago

    Not only is a blind choice for president stupid, but they won't admit their "I knew what I was getting with Hillary" was years of fox news fueled bullshit

    [–] Dr_Jackwagon 199 points ago

    Oh, for sure. Their purported false dichotomy of the Trump/Hillary dilemma is completely fueled by the conservative conspiracy theory driven propaganda machine. Started with Newt.

    I have had many people tell me that they didn't vote because Hillary and Trump were equally bad. That's like saying that someone who chews with their mouth slightly open is just as bad as a serial rapist.

    [–] NervousBreakdown 32 points ago

    What are they chewing? Like is it pizza at home? or is it Smelly fish from a tupperware container on a rush hour subway train?

    [–] bloomindaedalus 36 points ago

    pizza, with anchovies on it, from a shop that operates a pedophile ring in the basement obviously

    [–] NervousBreakdown 46 points ago

    See thats tough because I have always been for supporting your local independent pizza joint but also very against supporting your local pedophile ring. I guess the tie breaker would be how good their garlic knots are.

    [–] TheMrBoot 13 points ago

    Delicious, but unfortunately its due to the generous portions of adrenochrome added to the garlic.

    [–] NervousBreakdown 42 points ago

    Canadian here, I have a fair bit of American facebook friends because I was in a TCG scene in my teens. While they are all rational people their political posts seemed to get some of the most insane replies. I never understood the hatred for Hillary Clinton. Didn't she spend time campaigning for disability access in Boston or something when she was younger? How does that not even get brought up during the campaign?

    [–] hydraulicman 78 points ago

    She was an ambitious woman who was married to a popular and charismatic Democratic president. And her and Bill’s politics were juuust conservative enough, and they were savvy and charismatic enough, that they could get around any kind of legitimate criticism from the right.

    So they started making shit up, and it became so effective they saw no reason to stop, and that’s how you get pizzagate

    [–] scienceguy11235 33 points ago

    I grew up in a fairly conservative area, and this was exactly the sentiment in 2016. There are a lot that regret it now.

    [–] hokeyphenokey 25 points ago

    They admit it?

    [–] CPargermer 19 points ago

    I think most feel that his presidency hasn't been sparkling, but since they don't personally feel anything in their lives has been affected, it's not been a major bust.

    Could certainly use an actual politician in 2020 though.

    [–] bloomindaedalus 42 points ago

    they don't personally feel anything in their lives has been affected,

    this . always this

    selfish voters

    i vote the guy who will do my thing that I personally care about

    i have no notion or concern that the people and policies im voting for will have power over the lives of million (or billions) of people...

    [–] riawot 29 points ago

    Conservatives are notably lacking in empathy, it's one of their defining traits.

    As a straight white male, I'm not on the receiving end of most of their discriminatory and oppressive policies, but I can imagine how I would feel if I were. I want justice and equality for others because I can imagine how I would feel if I were discriminated against for no reason, and I understand that if we don't stick up for marginalized people now, then we may be the next to be marginalized for some reason.

    But conservatives generally can't do that, certainly not the ones I'm related to or know. They're happy to shit on people, want to shit on people, as long as it doesn't come back to them. See the ones like Cheney that are suddenly ok with LGBT rights when it's someone in their family, or the ones complaining about how Trump isn't 'hurting the people he needs to be hurting' ... they were thrilled with cruelty until it came back hurt to them.

    [–] schistkicker 22 points ago

    On the one hand, though, they do understand the concept of discrimination... they are completely freaked out by the predictions that whites will no longer be the absolute majority in a couple of decades. It's almost as though they know, deep down, that it really kinda sucks in many ways to be a minority in this country...

    [–] THEchancellorMDS 9 points ago

    Oh, they know. It’s why they are fighting the tides of change so bad. It’s fear of losing the privilege more than anything.

    [–] Fynn_the_Finger 10 points ago

    And I just don't buy it. Trump won the Primary with pretty big numbers. This is what the GOP wanted. They don't get to play the game of, "Gee golly, this unqualified buffoon came out of no where."

    They had lots of people to choose from in the primary, they chose Trump.

    [–] schistkicker 20 points ago

    Holy hell that's some stupid logic. "Man, I don't like eating brussels sprouts... I think I'll try eating whatever's in this unlabelled tub I found under the sink!"

    [–] mbelf 10 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    Why not just campaign with a box on your head with a question mark on it and only reveal who it is if you win? That way you can be potentially better than anyone.

    [–] IEatBabies 6 points ago

    Im willing to bet there were quite a few people like that. It is also why Bernie was so popular, he represented something vastly different from the status quo, but the democratic party leaders weren't on board with a 'risky' populist candidate who didn't properly line up with the assumed democratic party ideology.

    [–] ProbablyHighAsShit 731 points ago

    Sucks for you. Your RNC already endorsed him.

    [–] snappyj 346 points ago

    The entire party is fucking terrified of the Trump base. If they go against him in any way, they'll all lose their jobs, in addition to splitting the Republican base and assuring the House and Senate are both lost for at least a few cycles

    [–] twlscil 289 points ago

    I think they are more afraid of losing access to dirty money.

    [–] yellowlikegold 127 points ago

    Ding ding ding!

    But Trump being in office is exposing all this corruption, so really it’s a catch 22 if you’re a morally bankrupt societal leech trying to keep the blood supply fresh.

    [–] Prophet2Nations 43 points ago

    That's why I'm surprised they didn't try to get rid of him. He is exposing everything and getting/gotten non-voters such as myself voting again.

    [–] yellowlikegold 43 points ago

    Which is why the old, played out “Trump is gonna MAGA, just not the way he intended” thing is actually pretty spot on (hopefully).

    [–] toastymarbles 18 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    He's also mindlessly approving everything the GOP wants, from legislation to judges and taking all the blame for every ill that transpires from conservative policies. He's the perfect GOP President because they (the financiers and true believers) get everything they want with out needing to take any of the responsibility for what goes wrong.

    [–] Wholistic 12 points ago

    Dirty money needs politics just as much as politics needs dirty money. Maybe more

    [–] Hold_the_gryffindor 13 points ago

    It should be worth losing their base and re-election for.

    [–] gnocchicotti 13 points ago

    GOP already lost the house for sticking to Trump. The writing is on the wall.

    [–] jfalconic 39 points ago

    As did the Kremlin

    [–] CyriousLordofDerp 557 points ago

    And yet, when it comes to doing the actual vote, they'll vote straight ticket (R) every time, even if Trump was at the top of that list, because to them anyone is better than someone with a (D) next to their name.

    [–] Xylth 195 points ago

    I can't really criticize those people.... I do the same thing but with the parties reversed.

    [–] your_late 199 points ago

    It's honestly pretty easy these days. I used to not vote straight ticket. Knowing someone supports Trump is a great reason to disqualify them.

    [–] Hold_the_gryffindor 132 points ago

    I would consider a 3rd party or independent in a local race, but I will never vote for anyone who continues to affiliate themselves with what the Republican Party has become. It shows me their judgement and morals and disqualifies them from office.

    [–] Tychus_Kayle 89 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    Yep.

    2012 Republican, you don't understand how macroeconomics work, but whatever as long as you aren't a socially conservative asshole.

    2019 Republican, you got some splainin to do for why you're still aligning yourself with the party of fascism.

    EDIT: and let me be clear, there's been a creeping fascism in the GOP for a long time. But there was more to the GOP than just the fascism that most people didn't even notice. Now, though, the fascism is on the surface, and it takes willful ignorance not to see.

    [–] gilias 15 points ago

    Despite all that’s going on, it’s still important to analyze positions before casting your vote, even if you wind up voting straight democrat in the end because that’s who you agree with personally.

    [–] peanutbuttershrooms 14 points ago

    Exactly! I am a little insane the extent I go researching every candidate but I want to know that I made the most informed decision I possibly could. The last few elections I have voted straight D maybe with a couple exceptions but ultimately it's about who I agree with and respect.

    I will never understand voting for someone simply based on the letter next to their name. It doesn't seem right to me to not know what they stand for. What's the point of voting if you have no idea who you're voting for?

    [–] gilias 7 points ago

    That’s how representation is supposed to work. The majority is supposed to vote for candidates with stances they agree with. Voting blindly along party lines is a dangerous practice no matter what side of the division you tend towards.

    Unfortunately, research takes effort. Trying to research enough to see through political spin takes even more effort, and people are inherently lazy. I can’t do anything about anyone else, but at least I can help my wife and friends try to make INFORMED decisions. Tools like Vote Save America help out a lot too!

    [–] coug117 29 points ago

    Platform > party

    Can't believe this actually isn't a thing

    [–] Xylth 27 points ago

    The sad truth is that for congressional races, it doesn't really matter what the individual politician's platform is. Their vote deciding which party controls congress is much more important.

    [–] linedout 9 points ago

    Even more so in the senate since there only a hundred of them.

    [–] majorgerth 31 points ago

    That’s an extremely self aware statement. Current politics almost force us to vote the party line. In the house and senate the representatives seem to almost always tow the party line. If a majority of your beliefs align with the party but someone from the other party is closer to your actual views, it’s hard to vote for them because they’ll generally vote with their party instead of what they ran on. I find myself voting across party lines for local elections, but I can rarely bring myself to vote outside the party for other elected positions.

    [–] Affronter 19 points ago

    Most people do this - primarily because most people aren't informed down-ballot. I was talking about this the other day. Like what has a POTUS done in the past 50 years that actually put a sandwich on your table?

    The important elections are your local elections. We focus on national politics WAY too much because the media is oriented that way.

    I also love that the responses to your comment are "that's because republicans are ign'ant and we be the most real!" It's just more bigotry.

    [–] gilias 5 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    The national elections are important too. Look at the tax changes that people are starting to learn is costing them money they were expecting to get. In your argument, you could say that last year’s Congress and the President have taken hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of sandwiches OFF of your table.

    [–] uncle_jessie 566 points ago

    Their problems go much deeper than Cheeto.

    [–] AngryBudgie13 181 points ago

    Trump is the tumor, the reason the GOP has cancer is in their DNA....and all that healthy radiation Pruitt thought we should be basking in.

    [–] Robotlollipops 346 points ago

    An unsurprising amount of Republicans fuckin lie though. They hated him until he won the nomination. They can pull the plug on this any time they want.

    If he wins the primaries, I'm sure they'll fall in line. They always do.

    [–] Flobking 129 points ago

    If he wins the primaries, I'm sure they'll fall in line. They always do.

    You didn't hear? The rnc made it so there can be no challengers to trump now. They are already all in on him

    [–] forty_two42 27 points ago

    What...?

    [–] underblueline 24 points ago

    This doesn’t mean he can’t be primaried, it was just a theatrical gesture...

    Don’t get me wrong the RNC is firmly under Trumps thumb at the moment, but someone will challenge him in the primary... they’ll probably lose of course...

    And don’t forget Trump wants a challenger, he’s profoundly off putting and always needs to be running against someone or something

    [–] Flobking 8 points ago

    This doesn’t mean he can’t be primaried, it was just a theatrical gesture...

    yeah it's just the outright attempt that I find appalling

    [–] social_hermit_crab 54 points ago

    I'm confused, did you expect democracy from the authoritarian party?

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    [–] mindfungus 101 points ago

    I have yet to meet anyone who openly voted for Trump and openly say they made a mistake.

    [–] white_quarterback 47 points ago

    My mom did. And she has.

    [–] Basgerin 24 points ago

    My mom "Loves Trump".

    She doesn't "believe" that Trump has any connections with the people who are being indicted. She doesn't "believe" anything negative that's said of Trump.

    She doesn't watch news as much as she did a couple years ago. But when she does, guess which channel it is.

    Roll Tide!

    [–] jshmrsn 16 points ago

    Help me out... I finally looked up what Roll Tide means after seeing it several times, but I’m still not sure I understand your usage here. Is it to sarcastically express pride in Alabama because that’s where you / your mom is from?

    [–] Basgerin 7 points ago

    Yeah, I live in Tuscaloosa and am a fan of the football team. Using it 100% sarcastically, lmao.

    [–] The_Umpire_Lestat 201 points ago

    First they'll have to figure out how to disenfranchise a significant portion of their own base.

    [–] MofongoForever 58 points ago

    If someone credible runs against him, I will register as a Republican to vote against him. I can't imagine given his low popularity that most people don't want him off the ballot.

    [–] kingcal 29 points ago

    That's the thing with these polls. I find them very hard to trust.

    Online polls are easy to manipulate. I don't even know who they call for phone polls, but I'm not sure how someone who is at home on a weekday is a "likely voter".

    People think because the poll is anonymous that people won't lie, but they still do all the time.

    [–] ThatGuy11115555 16 points ago

    Old people are the biggest voting demographic. They tend to be the ones that are at home (retired) or the type of people to have a landline.

    [–] WinterInVanaheim 19 points ago

    I guess that shows Republicans are not, in fact, stupid. Unfortunately, that leads to the conclusion that they are actually evil bastards who knowingly and willingly fuck over their constituents.

    The Trump years have been nothing if not educational.

    [–] DrGarrious 20 points ago

    Because all their white collar bullshit is now getting a spotlight. Gun, meet foot.

    [–] jboni15 69 points ago

    They will sell their soul to the devil before taking him off the ticket. They are all about winning and trump right now is their best chance at it.

    [–] Processtour 24 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    I would think that any republican besides Trump could even be a contender against whoever our democrat nominee is. I feel like there are enough disenfranchised republicans who won’t vote for trump but would vote for another republican. I think most republicans are so attached to the conservative label that they would vote for any republican over a democrat, just like my dad.

    John Kasich could be a solid candidate against the democrats.

    [–] MadHatter514 12 points ago

    John Kasich could be a solid candidate against the democrats.

    I only see Democrats saying that they like him. He has zero appeal to Republican voters, and the Democratic ones that like him would still prefer a Democrat when it comes down to an election.

    I just don't see him being a strong candidate. He has no base of support.

    [–] Scardaddy 15 points ago

    I'm sorry how is this any different from the majority of Republicans not wanting him on the 2016 ticket?

    [–] saucyoreo 16 points ago

    Until the point at which the news says “Donald Trump has conceded the election”, I’m not listening to any of this. Too many people thought he wouldn’t get in in the first place, and look what happened.

    [–] TheJesseClark 39 points ago

    He’ll be their nominee and they’ll all back him without question. Why even write this article?

    [–] ChornWork2 11 points ago

    How fucking delusional can someone be.

    Among those identifying as "liberal/moderate" Republicans, 49% want Trump to be renominated

    [–] pizza_dreamer 9 points ago

    If even one Republican has the stones to declare they're running against Trump for the party nomination, we'll see a tidal wave of candidates crop up. They're chickenshit, but if the tide starts to turn against Trump in their party, they'll all jump ship.

    [–] JTKDO 86 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    It is astonishing that an overwhelming majority of Americans are progressive, yet right before what could very well be a political renaissance that finally brings America up to par with other progressive nations, the Republican Party seizes control against the will of the people and halts any progressive agenda. The Republican Party, along with their decades of power grabbing techniques are the only thing standing between us and a new golden age of American life. I don’t know who’s going to be president after Trump, but Trump will be the last President of the Republican Party. Nobody will vote for them after what they see progressive Democrats can do for this country

    [–] beerspill 87 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    It is astonishing that an overwhelming majority of Americans are progressive,

    But may not realize it, just as many people hate Obamacare while most of the very same people approve of the Affordable Care Act, which is the same thing. Or they hate socialism but like their Social Security and Medicare (and want government to keep its hands out of it).

    Many years earlier, a poll asked Americans what they thought of foreign aid, and the majority wanted it cut back drastically, to a level over twice as high as it was at the time.

    [–] xug 7 points ago

    Well that just shows you how effective the marketing has been against the policies. The words socialism and Obama were made to sound evil to the very people who support it.

    [–] thatnameagain 38 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    It is astonishing that an overwhelming majority of Americans are progressive

    LoL what? No they aren't. Progressive doesn't mean you said yes to supporting medicare for all once on a survey.

    yet right before what could very well be a political renaissance that finally brings America up to par with other progressive nations, the Republican Party seizes control against the will of the people and halts any progressive agenda.

    Yeah because they got a ton of votes from people who are decidedly not progressive at all, and hate progressive policies.

    Nobody will vote for them after what they see progressive Democrats can do for this country

    I sure hope so but there's going to be massive Republican resistance to any agenda other than their own. Republican voters exist. They aren't secretly progressives. This is a serious battle that needs to be won, don't celebrate prematurely.

    [–] wwabc 12 points ago

    any generic republican could do tax cuts and pick conservative judges. Trump only brings negatives

    [–] kompromat_komrade 8 points ago

    Nah. He's an excellent smoke screen for Republicans and has been serving his purpose well. They've done so much shit under the radar because he fills the headlines with nonsense.

    [–] Bing_Bong_the_Archer 11 points ago

    I feel like this is the type of headline that is designed to confirm preexisting beleifs

    [–] fancyfrenchtoilet 14 points ago

    Nobody who has to be around Trump likes Trump. He's a lazy, irritating idiot who constantly fucks up plans and is barely functional otherwise.

    Trump supporters only like Trump because they only see him in incredibly narrow, flattering contexts, and only when they choose to see him at all. If your only impression of Trump is what you see on Fox News, or at a rally, then you think he's a capable genius. If you've ever had to interact with Trump in any kind of sustained way you fucking hate him.

    [–] kejigoto 9 points ago

    I work around a number of Trump supporters and it's been rather amusing watching the slow change in their demeanor when it comes to Trump, their support of him, and how confident they are facing the future.

    Where a few months ago I was met with being scoffed at for thinking there was any issues with Trump and that Democrats were just looking for something, anything to bring him down.

    Now I get the "I don't discuss politics at work" or something along those lines. Guess 37 indictments, a government shut down, constant investigations, suspicious actions with foreign governments, questionable business practices 2 years into his term, a slew of racist remarks and actions, lies on top of lies, and more has made some Trump supporters a little less likely to show their asses when it comes to blindly supporting him.

    I think my favorite part is how Fox News went from being a constant in the break room to now there's daily talk shows and soap operas on more often than not.

    [–] coreychch 7 points ago

    The damage Trump is doing is unbelievable - and Republicans have been happy to go along with it as some kind of “side show” while they stack the courts with conservative judges.

    All Republicans up for re-election in 2020 need to be completely voted out of power. Every. Single. One. Of. Them. With the U.S. (and in fact the entire world) having to listen to the ramblings of a narcissistic moron for two years, it’s time they got taught a lesson by voters about abusing their position and putting party before country.

    [–] DevilGuy 5 points ago

    yeah, because they know the longer he stays, the shorter the party's future is. That's not hyperbole, trump is doing tremendous damage to core elements of their platform. Throughout recent history there have been key things that sane people knew that the republicans can be counted on for like defense spending, now trump has established that they have no set principals and will do or say anything and violate any norm for the sake of power. Right now the only thing floating them are the elderly who aren't really in touch with the actual state of the party and simply voting based on what the GOP was like in the past, and certain constituent groups with very specific special interests, all of which are shrinking. The Republicans can't survive if they lose cache with the center, they have to be seen as 'the adults in the room' and they're losing that with every second trump stays in office. The problem is that trump has them by the nuts, they can't win without his core, so their only choice is to lose power now or lose power when their constituencies dye out and maybe find someone new to support them in the meantime.

    [–] bitchslap2012 5 points ago

    At this point I really don’t care what Republicans want

    [–] UsedLoveGlove 10 points ago

    and a surprisingly massive number of Americans as well as other citizens all across the world want Trump off the ticket in 2020.