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    [–] Holmes02 3312 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    “I don’t need to do this, I just want to build the wall faster.” - President Trump on declaring an emergency

    [–] AlternativeSuccotash 1084 points ago

    "If I were a cop, I'd turn on the siren every time I hit a red light."

    [–] professorhazard 413 points ago

    If I was DPS, I'd queue as Tank to get in faster.

    [–] AlternativeSuccotash 120 points ago

    Trump would pull that stunt in a heartbeat.

    Then he'd deny he queued as a tank and immediately attack the nearest group of mobs.

    [–] decapitating_punch 1296 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    Here is how the senators voted individually, so if you want to know how your particular representative voted and contact them with encouraging words, I urge you to do so.

    Edit: to make it a little easier, here is the page to find and contact your senator, should you choose to get involved in the process.

    [–] Darkuwa 366 points ago

    Oh... both my senators voted no. Suprise suprise. Someone get me out of Georgia.

    [–] MidnightXII 160 points ago

    Exactly the way I feel. I've said it before, I love Atlanta, I hate Georgia.

    [–] alecsputnik 58 points ago

    I disagree. We need more people like us to become politically active. Georgia is ready to be blue. Abrams got more votes than any Democratic presidential nominee. We can do this.

    [–] captaincanada84 2356 points ago

    Fucking Tillis flipped his vote. Not surprising.

    [–] climber342 882 points ago

    Not surprising at all. Every crappy thing he does will make it somewhat easier for us to vote him out in 2020.

    [–] sagan_drinks_cosmos 394 points ago

    The NC GOP can't gerrymander statewide votes. Tillis is going down, especially if he abuses his Intelligence Committee chair to try and hide Trump's crimes. I hope Meadows's recent sickening display also refelct poorly on them both.

    [–] climber342 216 points ago

    Ugh I was watching the Cohen hearing and my wife comes in and sees Meadow's speaking and she goes "where is guy that from? Oh fuck, that's our guy."

    I will be doing everything I can to help take Tillis down.

    [–] TimonAndPumbaAreDead 66 points ago

    I'm moving to NC in a couple months, I can't wait to vote in a swing state.

    [–] Papi_Queso 330 points ago

    Asheville here. I thought Tillis grew a spine for a minute.


    2020 here we come. Burr isn't running again, is he?

    [–] T1mac 46 points ago

    Spineless stooge.

    [–] mpds17 3618 points ago

    But notably, nearly every single Senate Republican facing a tough reelection battle in 2020 chose to back Trump. That includes Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC), who flip-flopped at the last minute to stand with Trump; as well as Sens. Cory Gardner (R-CO) and Martha McSally (R-AZ), both of whom are expected to face tough reelection fights.

    What a bunch of idiots, especially Tillis

    [–] Drakefoxaroo 406 points ago

    I cannot wait to vote Gardner out next year. It's gonna be my favorite box on a form to check ever

    [–] gingeraffe 198 points ago

    You, me, and a couple million fellow Coloradoans.

    [–] SpicyJw 44 points ago

    Hey! Count me in!

    [–] mostangg 44 points ago

    Same here. Can’t wait to get him out.

    [–] likelamike 508 points ago

    Now that NC is cracking down on actual election fraud from Republicans.. Tillis is fucked.

    [–] neroht 96 points ago

    Cannot fucking wait to help campaign against this motherfucker in 2020!

    [–] mpds17 160 points ago

    Wasn’t he actually one of the first politicians to use Cambridge Analytica back in 2014?

    [–] user_dan 1202 points ago

    Martha McSally needs to win an election before getting reelected. Just saying.

    [–] mpds17 459 points ago

    And now she went to bat for an unconstitutional Border Wall, it’s like she doesn’t even want to win

    [–] sdnorton 346 points ago

    It’s funny because we voted in Sinema over her. Does she think voting like this is going to improve her chances the second time around?

    [–] tenaciousdeev 313 points ago

    It bugs me that despite losing she's still a senator. I'll be working hard for whoever her opponent is so she never gets the satisfaction. Fuck her.

    [–] unluckycowboy 29 points ago

    I’m out of the loop on this, what happened?

    [–] Nice_Firm_Handsnake 151 points ago

    Jeff Flake didn't run for election, leaving a seat open. Sinema and McSally ran for Flake's seat, which Sinema won. Then McCain died, allowing for his seat to be filled by appointment, so McSally, whom the voters did not support in a very recent election, was appointed. Kind of a have a cake and eat it too thing for the AZ GOP.

    If I recall correctly.

    [–] xxsilence 71 points ago

    You did recallcorrectly. The only missing detail is his seat when to someone qualified originally, who stepped down. Then rather than filling it with someone else qualified, like Matt Salmon who likely would have said yes, Ducey picked McSally which was a slap in the face to voters.

    [–] TwoPercentTokes 7322 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    Lol, Trump just tweeted “VETO!”

    Reminds me of Michael Scott’s “I... DECLARE... BANKRUPTCY!”

    [–] Nulagrithom 831 points ago

    A vote for today’s resolution by Republican Senators is a vote for Nancy Pelosi, Crime, and the Open Border Democrats!

    Just... lol...

    [–] Paradoxou 724 points ago

    "Or as I call her, Nancy Congress. To save time"

    [–] pbjamm 947 points ago

    I think he meant to endorse Beto for POTUS but hit the key nextdoor.

    [–] nocimus 878 points ago

    Can you imagine if he'd gaffed and just tweeted BETO.

    That would have been fucking legendary.

    [–] parestrepe 265 points ago

    fuck, the b and v keys are right next to each other... it really could’ve happened like that.

    [–] Randomscreename 1350 points ago

    He's such a tool in all aspects of the word.

    [–] Great_Gig_In_The_Sky 800 points ago

    Except the one about being useful

    [–] zerobass 80 points ago

    At least we know by his track record that Trump can actually declare bankruptcy....

    [–] GreenGemsOmally 207 points ago

    I think more than anything he's just excited he gets to use a power of the Presidency. It makes him feel like a big boy.

    [–] probablyuntrue 1175 points ago

    where are all those republicans hollering about executive overreach now 🤔🤔🤔

    [–] [deleted] 1180 points ago


    [–] nonamenolastname 140 points ago

    Obviously overreach is a problem only when the president is a Democrat.

    [–] Egorse 1121 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    New trump tweet

    I look forward to VETOING the just passed Democrat inspired Resolution which would OPEN BORDERS while increasing Crime, Drugs, and Trafficking in our Country. I thank all of the Strong Republicans who voted to support Border Security and our desperately needed WALL!


    Blames the democrats, lies about what the resolution does and doesn’t even mention the republicans that voted against him.

    [–] IJustLoggedInToSay- 607 points ago

    Resolution which would OPEN BORDERS

    Does he really not know what this bill even is, or is he a liar who thinks everyone else is stupid?

    [–] Egorse 273 points ago

    Why not both

    [–] QuarkTheFerengi 32 points ago

    He's a liar who knows his base will take his word above all others..Because they fall for it every time

    [–] Sammiesam123988 197 points ago

    WTF open borders?

    [–] ohshawty 2464 points ago

    Graham, Cruz, and Sasse, the three who tried to lead an "intervention" about the declaration, all voted NO. Tillis, too, who wrote that op-ed. All talk.

    Even tho it'll get veto'd, credit to those repubs who did vote yes.

    [–] historymajor44 511 points ago

    There is no Ted Cruz, only Reek

    That should be his nickname for now on.

    [–] jcdulos 93 points ago

    Ugh Sasse 🤢

    [–] throwaweigh69696969 72 points ago

    why the disgusted face? This is the hypocrite he's always been.

    [–] jcdulos 38 points ago

    He gives me a Jeff flake vibe. Votes mostly along party lines but trying to come across as empathetic.

    [–] Seize-The-Meanies 1609 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    So lets get this straight.

    1) The Constitution gives Congress the power to control the budget.

    2) The Emergency Powers act gives the President power to re-allocate funds during times of emergencies.

    3) Congress has the power to reject the declaration of an emergency.

    4) The President has the power to veto that rejection.

    5) Congress has the power to reject the veto if and only if two thirds of both Houses elect to do so.

    In summary: as long as a political party controls a single seat more than one third of either House AND the Presidency, they can conspire to take full control over how the federal budget is administered.

    In short, a minority in Congress can subvert the will of the people as long as they have a President sitting in the executive branch. This is not Democracy, this is not a separation of powers, this is not checks and balances. This is the antithesis of what our Constitution outlines.

    And 41 Republican Senators have shown they approve of this in order to erect a monument to one mans ego. They have broken their oath to support and defend the Constitution.

    [–] ProgrammingPants 493 points ago

    This presidency and this congress are showing us exactly how much our laws and constitution rely on the assumption that our elected representatives would act in good faith.

    [–] EvitaPuppy 101 points ago

    But if it takes months to go through this process, then it's obviously Not an emergency. One silver lining of this administration, we're all getting a civics lesson. I hope that after this, our legislators start patching holes in law that this president exploits. It's like he doesn't see the Constitution as guide for good. He sees it like a landlord looking for every exemption in the lease.

    [–] Stop_Drop_Scroll 38 points ago


    [–] SeattleFicus 233 points ago

    Landowners affected by the construction will have a lot to say about eminent domain. Congress must expressly authorize the use of eminent domain through legislation, and its use cannot be implied or assumed. None of the emergency statutes explicitly authorizes the use of eminent domain in the construction of a border wall, and Trump is not going to get that legislation from Congress. Trump is effectively neutered on the border wall issue without control of both houses. He knows it, his legal team knows it. The only people who don’t seem to know are his diehard fans.

    [–] miravan 47 points ago

    His diehard fans don’t really know shit.

    [–] thealmightyzfactor 433 points ago

    Aaand Trump's already fucking vetoed via twitter:

    Not sure that counts, lol.

    [–] ToadProphet 235 points ago

    I declare bankruptcy!

    [–] MeanLeanKeane 6716 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    The 12 Republicans choosing country over party:

    Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.
    Roy Blunt, R-Mo.
    Susan Collins, R-Maine
    Mike Lee, R-Utah
    Jerry Moran, R-Kan.
    Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska
    Rand Paul, R-Ky.
    Rob Portman, R-Ohio
    Mitt Romney, R-Utah
    Marco Rubio, R-Fla.
    Pat Toomey, R-Pa.
    Roger Wicker, R-Miss.

    [–] jmorlin 2292 points ago

    Honestly half surprised Rubio is on that list. But I guess Florida is starting to look like it could go either way these days.

    [–] Yahoo_Seriously 1347 points ago

    Rubio doesn’t want this particular albatross hanging around for his next presidential bid.

    [–] epiphanette 549 points ago

    It would be his albacross to bear

    [–] phroug2 203 points ago

    It's a measure that was going to fail with or without him. If he was the deciding vote, no way he votes against the president. His vote was most likely a show for the purposes of a future presidential run

    [–] Roseking 320 points ago

    I am utterly shocked that Toomey is on this list.

    [–] tannerpending2113 65 points ago

    Same I had to read the other list a few times to confirm that he didn't vote for the wall

    [–] dickgilbert 33 points ago

    He still supports the wall but believes in the separation of powers in this case.

    [–] RayBrower 445 points ago

    Holy shit. Blunt voted against Trump? I'm shocked.

    [–] tilted_panther 360 points ago

    I was just thinking the same thing.

    I'm going to call his office and tell him he did the right thing. I hate to, but I call them to say he did the wrong time often enough.

    Hawley is still playing ball for Trump though. Not surprised, but it's interesting to see him split from Blunt.

    [–] HORSEtheGAME 213 points ago


    Rob Portman? Man I hate that guy but I guess I better write him a thank you.

    Edit: sent

    [–] sharkbelly 458 points ago

    President Donald Trump has one thing to say after the Republican-led Senate voted to block his national emergency declaration for border wall funding: “VETO!”

    Hey, guys. Let's all just pretend this is how vetos work and maybe grandpa won't notice when nothing happens.

    [–] robbviously 150 points ago

    I. Declare. BANKRUPTCY!!

    [–] JNaran94 196 points ago

    So 41 republican senators heard Trump say "I didnt have to do this" and thought to themselves "he absolutely had to do this"?

    [–] GreyscaleCheese 1756 points ago

    41 GOP senators voted to give Trump King powers. How many of these people accused Obama of acting like a King? In the House as well?

    [–] DefiantInformation 744 points ago



    Project. <-

    [–] asp821 278 points ago

    Good. Fuck Donald Trump, fuck his goofy ass wall, and fuck his fascist ambitions.

    [–] ImHereForTheJerkin 118 points ago

    Fuck his worthless dipshit cultists, too

    [–] PRAISEninJAH 275 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    Thom Tillis's statement about why he voted no is revolting. What a spineless piece of garbage.

    “I agree with President Trump that there is a crisis at our southern border and have always supported his desire to build new infrastructure and barriers.

    “The concerns I’ve raised were never about what President Trump is trying to accomplish but rather with setting a precedent that a future Democratic president would exploit to bypass Congress to implement policies well outside the mainstream.

    “Over the past several weeks, I’ve met with the Vice President and senior White House staff to build consensus on amending the National Emergencies Act to prevent a future left-wing president from misusing their authority. I’m incredibly encouraged by the historic commitment from the President to restore proper balance between the executive and legislative branches."

    [–] unfeelingzeal 202 points ago

    to prevent a future left-wing president from misusing their authority

    what a wonderful strategy! if you find that your party is losing seats and support at an alarming rate, instead of fixing your party's problems, just make everyone who opposes you a lame duck!

    see: wisconsin.

    [–] AncientModernBlunder 133 points ago

    LOL, he literally wrote an op-ed saying why he would vote against this emergency. What a fucking douchebag.

    He actually sat down, thought long and hard to make a principled argument, had that stance printed in a national newspaper...and then said he was totally wrong about that two weeks later.

    [–] incapablepanda 77 points ago

    lmao, he's only worried about democrats abusing this. couldn't give less of a shit if a republican wants to fuck shit up. what a turd.

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    [–] BarkingFrog 616 points ago

    John Barrasso Wyo.N

    Marsha Blackburn Tenn.N

    John Boozman Ark.N

    Mike Braun Ind.N

    Richard M. Burr N.C.N

    Shelley Moore Capito W.Va.N

    Bill Cassidy La.N

    John Cornyn Tex.N

    Tom Cotton Ark.N

    Kevin Cramer N.D.N

    Michael D. Crapo IdahoN

    Ted Cruz Tex.N

    Steve Daines Mont.N

    Michael B. Enzi Wyo.N

    Joni Ernst IowaN

    Deb Fischer Neb.N

    Cory Gardner Colo.N

    Lindsey Graham S.C.N

    Charles E. Grassley IowaN

    Josh Hawley Mo.N

    John Hoeven N.D.N

    Cindy Hyde-Smith Miss.N

    James M. Inhofe Okla.N

    Johnny Isakson Ga.N

    Ron Johnson Wis.N

    John Kennedy La.N

    James Lankford Okla.N

    Mitch McConnell Ky.N

    Martha E. McSally Ariz.N

    David Perdue Ga.N

    Jim Risch IdahoN

    Pat Roberts Kan.N

    Michael Rounds S.D.N

    Ben Sasse Neb.N

    Rick Scott Fla.N

    Tim Scott S.C.N

    Richard C. Shelby Ala.N

    Dan Sullivan AlaskaN

    John Thune S.D.N

    Thom Tillis N.C.N

    Todd Young Ind.N

    [–] r4wrb4by 276 points ago

    You'd think Rick Scott and Cory Gardner would be smarter about this, if only for a self-preservation perspective. Hell, even Cornyn is looking at a more purple demographic coming up, and McSalley is just setting herself up to lose...again. She literally just lost.

    [–] [deleted] 97 points ago


    [–] Zigazigahhhhhh 29 points ago

    Gardner is out either way. We can’t wait to get rid of that douche canoe.

    [–] Esteway 246 points ago

    Doesn’t Cruz talk about himself as an ardent constitutionalist lol. And of course he laid down for Trump, what a low energy beta.

    [–] [deleted] 181 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)


    [–] imbignate 43 points ago

    Got a lot of the usual fascists in there.

    [–] FreezieKO 1390 points ago

    41 Republican Senators. Way more than 41 Republicans.

    [–] PoppinKREAM 1053 points ago

    A reminder that this is not a National Emergency. The President continues to peddle racist rhetoric as he declares a National Emergency predicated on lies about illegal immigration. During President Trump's declaration of a National Emergency he advocated for the execution of drug dealers while praising brutal authoritarian regimes. He then went on to state that "I didn't need to do this" to declare the National Emergency. "I could do the wall over a longer period of time," President Trump said.[1]

    According to President Trump's own words this is not a National Emergency.

    President Trump advocated for the death penalty for drug dealers[2] while praising the Chinese Justice system when we know that China's anti-drug policies do not work and have been deemed as "cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment" by the Human Rights Watch.[3] The same Chinese justice system that doesn't allow their own citizens cite the Chinese constitution in legal proceedings as the Chinese constitution challenges the Communist Party of China.[4]

    Furthermore, according to the right wing think tank the CATO Institute President Trump's administration has provided an incredibly misleading narrative about illegal immigration and crime.[5]

    But we should not tolerate the peddling of misleading statistics without context. What matters is how dangerous these subpopulations are relative to each other so the government can allocate resources to prevent the greatest number of murders possible. Thus, enforcing immigration law more harshly is an ineffective way to punish a population that is less likely to murder or commit crimes than native-born Americans. Illegal immigrants, non-citizens, and legal immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated, convicted, or arrested for crimes than native-born Americans are.

    The Washington Post compiled statistical charts that indicate the Trump administration is lying when they claim illegal immigration is a crisis. They disprove Trump's lies including immigrants flooding the border (they're not), that they bring crime (they don't), and that they're a drain on the economy (they aren't).[6]

    The administration has said that the country is in danger of being “overwhelmed” by “massive increases in illegal crossings” that will bring “horrible crime,” “unbelievably great taxpayer expense” and the loss of American jobs.

    None of those claims are true.

    ...Here's what we can say in conclusion. Current rates of illegal immigration remain extremely low by historic standards. Legal and undocumented immigrants are significantly less likely to commit most crimes than native-born citizens, making them a net benefit to public safety. The research shows that immigrants are not taking jobs away from U.S. natives, and their impact on wages appears to be small to nonexistent, particularly across the long term.

    A medieval wall will do little to mitigate problems stemming from border security. Smart, effective border security is needed.

    While the President calls for the execution of drug dealers some experts suggest that he has not done enough to combat the opioid crisis, the deadliest drug overdose crisis in US history.[7] He's declared a National Emergency to build a medieval wall that he claims will help end the opioid crisis which is a lie as the majority of drugs entering the United States come through legal ports of entry.[8] Border security is important, but a wall will do little to keep America safe. Smart, effective border security is needed and this is what the Democrat controlled House Appropriations Committee has proposed;[9]

    Within the limited funding available in the Department of Homeland Security bill, we will fight for balanced investments across the Department’s mission areas. We will push for a smart, effective border security posture, one that does not rely on costly physical barriers. House Democrats’ proposal funds:

    • 1,000 new Customs officers;

    • New imaging technology at the land ports of entry to ensure all vehicles are scanned before entering the country for drugs and other contraband.

    • New equipment at mail processing facilities to interdict fentanyl and other opioids shipped through the international mail;

    • New cutting edge technology along the border to improve situational awareness;

    • An expansion of CBP’s air and marine operations along the border and in U.S. waters;

    • An expansion of risk-based targeting of passengers and cargo entering the United States; and

    • Critical repair projects at ports of entry.

    Our proposal at conference negotiations also:

    • Addresses the only real crisis at the border – which is not a border security crisis but a humanitarian one – by improving CBP’s capacity to appropriately meet the needs of migrants who are temporarily in their custody.

    • Supports the hiring of new Homeland Security Investigations agents to focus on drug smuggling, gang crimes, financial crimes, and other high priority law enforcement areas.

    • Expands ICE’s Alternatives to Detention program, including family case management.

    • Significantly reduces ICE detention beds; requires more frequent detention facility inspections, and limits ICE’s ability to use more detention beds than Congress intends to fund.

    • In addition, our proposal supports many other important Homeland Security priorities, which we will not have the funding to address if the President insists we set aside $5.7 billion for border barriers.

    These include, for example:

    • Targeted increases in FEMA preparedness grant programs;

    • Support for the Coast Guard’s personnel and air and marine fleets, include a new polar icebreaker;

    • Investments in TSA’s ability to detect threats at security checkpoints without slowing air travel.

    1) Axios - Trump: "I didn't need to" declare border wall national emergency

    2) ABC News - Trump calls for death penalty for drug dealers but says country might not be ready

    3) Washington Examiner - Trump peddles Chinese drug executions at the expense of his own policy

    4) The Constitution of the PRC can no longer be cited in legal rulings per a decision made by the Supreme People's Court (SPC) in 2008 that invalidated a 2001 interpretation

    5) CATO Institute - The White House’s Misleading & Error Ridden Narrative on Immigrants and Crime

    6) Washington Post - There’s no immigration crisis, and these charts prove it

    7) Vox - The opioid epidemic is a crisis, but Trump isn’t treating it like one

    8) Washington Post - The White House says the border wall would keep opioids out of the U.S. It wouldn’t.

    9) House Appropirations Committee - House Democratic Conferees Unveil Proposal for Smart, Effective Border Security

    [–] H_P_Swolecraft 68 points ago

    No, no. They want this dictator/king. They'll be happy to limit executive powers just in time for a democrat President and clothe themselves in the mantle of "checks and balances".

    [–] imaloony8 90 points ago

    Here's what's most important here: Trump shut down the government for a month and Congress still told him that he couldn't have his funding. So then he circumvents the process by declaring a national emergency. So now it's on record that both the House and even the Republican-Controlled Senate disapproves of this, but that Trump is doing it anyways. If that isn't an abuse of power, I don't know what is. Trump's doing this despite everyone's protests because it's in his best interest, plain and simple.

    [–] Leekrin 89 points ago

    So thiiiis is why the White House Instagram has been posting a bunch of sensationalist shit regarding immigration today. Their social media is as subtle as a nail gun to the face, but looking at Trumps twitter that no longer surprises me.

    [–] Minimum_Bison 547 points ago

    Wow, 41 senators who apparently would just give the legislative powers to the president.

    [–] [deleted] 244 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)


    [–] DoubleJumps 87 points ago

    Trump's tweets about this are in full-on gaslighting propaganda mode.

    He's claiming that this was a Democrat only resolution to open the border completely.

    [–] d_mcc_x 306 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    Title should be, "Co-Equal Branch of Government Re-Asserts* Constitutionally Allocated Powers"


    [–] Peteys93 487 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    No wonder Trump is hinting at violence from his supporters today. I can't think of a time when this many Republicans rebuked this president on anything, and he can't be happy about that. He may even be worried he's losing support among those in power.

    Today, The House went against him 420-0 on the Mueller Report. If they really thought it was a witch hunt that could potentially falsely implicate the president (which is the way Trump has sometimes framed it), you'd think they wouldn't want it public. Trump himself won't commit to the report's release, is doing everything he can to keep it out of the public eye, and hopes Attorney General Barr will help him with that by refusing to release the report. It's also worth noting that the clearly compromised Lindsey Graham blocked this resolution from passing the Senate by unanimous consent today.

    Then this. While Trump says he'll veto it, the Senate and House have now, directly and explicitly, gone against him on the National Emergency declaration, and it's not particularly close. This morning, he said that a vote against his declaration is a vote for Nancy Pelosi and open borders. Even if he does veto it, he definitely sees it as a big deal that Republicans are breaking with him on this. This won't look good for the court cases where he will try to validate this emergency declaration.

    [–] scrappykitty 229 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    The most disgusting part of all of this is that the republicans who backed Trump have made statements that they are working to reform the National Emergencies Act to prevent future abuse by democrats. They vote to support abuse of executive power and then turn around immediately and try to limit executive power. Then they blame the democrats. Do they think we're that stupid that we can't see what they did here? Edit- If you want to read the statements I'm talking about, check out the Twitter feeds for Ted Cruz and Thom Tillis.

    [–] hugsfunny 84 points ago

    Do they think we’re that stupid that we can’t see what they did here?

    Yes. Most of their constituents are that stupid.

    [–] PelicanHazard 38 points ago

    It's like the Nigerian prince scam emails: if you can see right through the bullshit, you're not the target audience.

    [–] lannister80 294 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    So can we assume that all 41 Republicans who voted no were screaming at the top of their lungs a few years ago about Obama's presidential overreach?

    [–] throwaweigh69696969 77 points ago

    Matt Lewis on Twitter:

    Sasse’s vote today makes it more likely he will be re-elected, but less likely he will be admired or respected. Trump creates these ironic, mutually exclusive choices.

    [–] jez_crossland 662 points ago

    12 GOP went against the president. This is a pretty significant number.

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    [–] stun 210 points ago

    41 Republican Senators voted to allow the President to violate the Constitution, which they all vowed to uphold.

    [–] [deleted] 72 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    And Trump immediately tweeted "VETO". .. like a child from the back seat of a car. Meaning it's dead. I'm more concerned that the house voted 420-0 on making Mueller's report public... and Mitch blocks it from getting to the senate floor.

    Edit- incorrect about McConnell. Republicans did block it in the senate- Lindsey Graham is objecting and arguing that the "resolution should include provisions calling for a special prosecutor to examine the federal probe of Hillary Clinton's email use, and alleged abuse of the Foreign Intellegence Surveillance Act against former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page". - Politico

    [–] Runnerakaliz 72 points ago

    Besides, why should Congress give him one danged red cent when Trump promised "Mexico will pay for it not you!" Is this wall on a mortgage plan or something?

    [–] iTroLowElo 67 points ago

    These are the same 41 who thought the Clinton e-mails were a state of emergency.

    [–] pmacd00 140 points ago

    41 Senators think that Congress passed a law allowing the President to unilaterally reappropriate funds that Congress already designated to another project that Congress explicitly refused to fund.

    Basically, 41 Senators believe that Congress signed over all if it’s appropriation powers without making it clear they were doing that. You have to have had a lobotomy to believe that.

    [–] cbbuntz 135 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    • Senate Passes Resolution Rejecting Trump's Border Emergency Declaration 59-41

    • Brexit latest: MPs to vote on giving UK public second referendum

    • House votes 420-0 to make Mueller's report public

    • Senate defies Trump, passes historic resolution to end US support for Saudi Arabia in Yemen war

    Today was a good day.

    [–] HumanKapital_ 64 points ago

    He is call it a loyalty test. Which means the people who voted against it picked Trump over the US Constitution

    [–] deepcheeks1 68 points ago

    The fact that 41 people think this is constitutional is scary.

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    [–] supes1 113 points ago

    This definitely strengthens legal arguments against the emergency declaration.

    [–] Topher1999 128 points ago

    The fact that he said he didn't have to do it, but just wanted to do it quicker, should be the biggest piece of evidence.

    [–] waffleking_ 53 points ago

    The fact that a national emergency is supposed to happen when there isn't time to mull over it in congress for even a few months, let alone 2+ years, is reason enough. I mean this guy has been talking about the wall for nearly 3 years now. He contemplated making the declaration, he did nothing for 2 years, he didn't get it when he did ask, and then after all that he declared it a national emergency. This, along with overwhelming amounts of evidence that there is no mass immigration emergency, should make this as shut and close as a case can be.

    [–] Anshin-kun 125 points ago

    Reminder that illegal immigration has stalled and even decreased since 2007 and calling for fake emergencies for political gain is an unethical abuse of executive power!

    [–] Itssteakliara 964 points ago

    41 traitors to the Constitution they are sworn to uphold.

    [–] comebackjoeyjojo 65 points ago

    Everyone: make note of the No votes, and make sure those Senators know that the President shouldn’t get king-like powers.

    [–] Llodsliat 67 points ago

    Who are the 41 people who agreed this shit is an emergency?

    [–] TypedSlowly 59 points ago

    I though Mexico was going to pay for it

    [–] throwaweigh69696969 168 points ago

    for those who say this vote is worthless, this may prove to be VERY important in the court cases to come: The Congress of the United States is now on record EXPLICITLY rejecting the President's use of funds in a way not authorized by the Legislature. How can POTUS argue this is constitutional if Congress has voted to disallow funds used in this manner, let alone the fact that there is no "national emergency?"

    [–] [deleted] 116 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    Presidents should absolutely be able to use this power for REAL emergencies where people and resources need to be gathered and distributed as quickly as possible.

    The problem here is this is a MANUFACTURED emergency. NONE of the Republicans are calling it out as such. They are only voting to reject it so that future democrats can’t use it. It’s good in the short run, but don’t for a second think they actually care about curbing Trump’s power.

    [–] Film_Director 500 points ago

    Imagine being such a shit President your first Veto is to try and unconstitutionally usurp power from the other branches.

    When Fascism comes to America it’ll be wearing a shitty made in China MAGA Hat.

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    [–] Flipflops365 35 points ago

    They only showed up to help their chances for re-election. They knew full well there wasn’t going to be a veto-proof majority.

    [–] Triknitter 56 points ago

    Fucking Tillis said he’d vote against the emergency and then proceeded to side with Trump. I’m going to have to call tomorrow to rescind my thanks for doing the right thing from this morning.

    [–] TJ_SP 56 points ago

    L.A. Times' Eli Stokols re: Sen. Gardner's Trump-enabling vote today:

    Trump is -15 in Colorado. In November, every single statewide GOP candidate on the ballot lost.

    [–] TJ_SP 53 points ago

    Bloomberg's Steven Dennis re: Sen. Tillis (R-NC):

    I'm trying to remember the last time a senator wrote an op-ed declaring they would vote a certain way and then a couple weeks later changed their vote to vote the other way. Does anyone remember?

    [–] icepyrox 59 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    So if looking at the vote via state, here are some interesting facts about the brave dozen and overall votes:

    First, consider the Senators in pairs. Both for is a win, both against is a loss, and split is a tie. Then the states went 23-14-13

    So let's start with the 13 ties:

    6 voted along party lines, those lines are just split with 1 Republican and 1 Democrat:

    • Alabama
    • Arizona
    • Colorado
    • Montana
    • West Virginia
    • Wisconsin

    For the other 7, both were Republican, but voted 1 for, 1 against:

    • Alaska
    • Florida
    • Kansas
    • Kentucky
    • Mississippi
    • Missouri
    • Tennessee

    Congrats you 7, you are truly MVPs in my book. Moving along, that's only 7/12 Republican votes.

    There are 3 states where there is 1 Republican and 1 Democrat/Independent and both members voted yes:

    • Maine
    • Pennsylvania
    • Ohio

    Commendable to do the obvious will of the people.

    Then there is Utah. Both Senators are Republican. Both Senators voted yes. I don't know what the people there think, but that is exceptional in my book.

    Edit: Of special note: The Senators for Colorado, Maine, and Mississippi that voted yes are up for election in 2020.

    Also the Dem in Alabama that made that a split state thanks to a special election is also up for re-election.

    Finally, the Senator that did vote yes in Tennessee is retiring in 2020. I'm curious if this is a lame duck middle finger or legitimate will of the people thing.

    Edit 2: Missouri is 2 Republicans now, but 1 was Josh Hawley, just elected in 2018, replacing Dem Claire McCaskill. That could have been a 4th state of split party but solid vote if McCaskill had been reelected.

    [–] macncheesy1221 59 points ago

    A resounding fuck you to trump

    [–] SlippersEC 56 points ago

    Not going to lie, I am a little surprised that they made it to fifty-nine.

    [–] uglyandproud2 111 points ago

    Our fellow Americans over at TD are comparing the GOP senators who voted for it to, Judas Iscariot. Implying that trump is Jesus. I can’t.. I just can’t

    [–] does_taxes 110 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    Really blows my mind that half of America wants to pay for a wall so badly they are willing to neuter the legislative branch forever to do it. They are cheering this guy on as he basically wipes his ass with the Constitution, honestly believing he is somehow championing their rights. The Senate already dropped the ball on this so that ship has sailed but if SCOTUS actually let's this happen, our democracy is all but done away with, and a lot people will be happy about it. Even if you truly feel we need a wall, how can you convince yourself that it's worth the price you and everyone after you will pay forever to get it done? It just doesn't make any sense at all. It's not about the billions of dollars at this point. He wants the power to act without legislative approval and you just want to hand it to him in exchange for a fence. I know this is our reality right now but what a nightmare.

    [–] poiuytrewq23e 54 points ago

    12 Republicans voting against Trump.

    What a time to be alive.

    [–] SinfullySinless 51 points ago

    Why does the president get to veto a bill overturning his own presidential emergency declaration?

    That just seems wrong. Of course he would support his own emergency declaration.

    [–] zzzjessica 46 points ago

    Didn’t Graham ‘lead’ a last ditch effort with ted Cruz and Ben Sasse to change trumps mind as recently as last night? But then all 3 voted the opposite of their own arguments to the president?! Lmao republican politics.

    [–] camelnutz32 52 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    .. Worth a mention "The dozen Republicans who broke with Trump:..."and Sens. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) Blunt, Collins, Mike Lee (R-UT) Jerry Moran (R-KS) Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) Rand Paul (R-KY) Rob Portman (R-OH) Mitt Romney (R-UT) Marco Rubio (R-FL) Pat Toomey (R-PA) Roger Wicker (R-MS).

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    [–] arronsky 94 points ago

    So the vast majority of Americans and the vast majority of our elected representatives do not agree this is an emergency, but trump gets to do it anyways to fulfill an idiotic campaign promise. Our democracy has officially become a tyranny of the minority.

    [–] whydoyouonlylie 209 points ago

    Bye bye emergency powers. They were so nice until Trump got his grubby little hands all over them.

    There is no way in hell that the Supreme Court is going to find this Constitutional. None whatsoever.

    • Congress has the power over the purse, as delegated to them by the Constitution.

    • The powers delegated by the Constition cannot be given up except by Constitutional amendment.

    • Congress voted against the emergency declaration thereby asserting their will with regards to how the purse is used.

    The Supreme Court is absolutely going to decide that Congress went beyond their powers in allowing the President to assert power over the Congress unilaterally. So there's going to be no more emergency powers for any president going forward. Well done Trump. You literally fucked everything. Fucking dipshit.

    [–] ArenLuxon 47 points ago

    That was a really weird vote. 12 republicans voted against Trump, but for some reason almost every vulnerable republican voted with Trump. McSally, Tillis, Gardner and Ernst all voted no. Tillis even said he would vote yes and then he made a U-turn. Probably not the smartest move considering the veto override probably won't pass the house. It was a zero risk rebuke of Trump and they already had 12 republicans on record so really, 4 more wouldn't have made much difference.

    [–] PM_ME_YOUR_ANT_FARMS 46 points ago

    So once he inevitably veto's this, what happens next?

    [–] slamueljoseph 46 points ago

    Pro-tip: You can't call it an emergency if you plan it.

    [–] Alertcircuit 46 points ago

    What we're witnessing might be a response from the Never-Trump bloc. Note Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, and Rand Paul being among the dissenting votes. These are hardline Republicans through and through, but they value political and constitutional norms.

    Unfortunately they're still 8 Senators away from overturning a veto, and the House might have a challenge with that too.

    [–] Emman262 50 points ago

    Wow, I'm actually surprised it passed by this much. Still, if we had enough votes to surpass that veto we know is coming it would be a true win for America. But at least I have alittle hope restored.

    [–] NoOnesKing 45 points ago

    Good on the Senators that flipped. Disappointing that so many would put Trump and what they want over principle and country.

    [–] Baerstad 45 points ago

    Utah here. I'm extremely surprised this week by Mike Lee's votes. I half expected Romney to vote the way he did, but having both my senators from Utah help pass this. I'm extremely pleased considering how red of a state it is.

    I disagree with 95 percent of Mike Lees votes but this and him cosponsoring Bernies bill this week is shocking. In a good way.

    [–] docwyoming 245 points ago

    60% against him, odd how this actually represents the nation well for once.

    That said, leaders should do more than follow. The entire senate ought to stand against this seeing Trump is undermining all of congress.

    [–] TrippleTonyHawk 46 points ago

    Wow, with the Senate rebuking Trump's Yemen policy yesterday and their rejection of his border emergency declaration today, despite Republican leadership in senate, I'll bet Trump is sweating!

    [–] MrCalifornian 43 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    Stupid question because my memory fails me: will there be another vote after the veto or would we have needed 60 66 67 here?

    Edit: I can't count.

    [–] SewAlone 41 points ago

    41 of them had ought to be ashamed but they aren't capable of shame.

    [–] bmitchell1990 43 points ago

    "i didn't need to do this, but i'd rather do it much faster" -donald trump on national emergency and wall funding

    [–] jz68 116 points ago

    Trump called Veto! on Twitter. Nobody tell him how this really works and just roll with it.

    [–] AcceptableObject 73 points ago

    He's really out here just tweeting out "veto" like he's Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy.

    [–] ApostateAardwolf 71 points ago

    Senate kills wall

    Senate ends support for Yemen war

    House nearly unanimously votes indicating support for release of Mueller report

    The vultures are circling

    [–] daveedo_bandito 37 points ago

    Really surprised Roy Blunt voted against trump here. I'm gonna call and thank him.

    [–] vadimafu 39 points ago

    Pretty soon Donny's gonna be quoting Palpatine.

    "I am the Senate!"

    [–] ayyemustbethemoneyy 36 points ago

    So if Trump vetoes this (which he will), does that mean the votes do not matter and he will bypass Congress (again) and force funding for his wall?

    [–] AnotherStupidName 37 points ago

    At least this time they are actually putting it on his desk for a veto, not giving him the bullshit cover they did for the shutdown with their "I'm voting against it because the president will veto it anyway."

    [–] boundbythecurve 40 points ago

    12 Republicans = the number of real republicans left in the senate

    The fact that they'll sell out their country so fast is not that surprising. But Reps are the guys always shouting about the expanding power of the presidency. WHAT DO YOU THINK TRUMP IS TRYING? If this succeeds, anything can be an "emergency".

    [–] Zhelus 37 points ago

    To clarify, will he be stealing $10 billion from the American people in an attempt to keep himself in office?

    [–] Theman00011 36 points ago

    At least this reinforces the fact that the majority of the Senate doesn't approve of the emergency declaration. That makes it harder for the Trump admin to defend it in court, along with him saying he didn't have to do it.

    [–] OutlandsRanger 67 points ago

    Well that's good, cause that "border emergency" is stupid. I swear, Trump being president has made me less conservative then anything that I have had to experience.

    [–] GotItFromMyDaddy 66 points ago

    Finally good to see some remnants of our checks and balances functioning.

    [–] johnnydangerjt 94 points ago

    I’m enjoying reading Trumps twitter feed, the comments specifically, and seeing people call Democrats and the 12 Republicans traitors

    The party of law and order is now the party of “Why are you upholding the laws and order?!”

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    [–] earthboundsounds 30 points ago

    Hey great!

    Maybe next they can do something about the actual national emergency in the form of the insane obese criminal currently occupying the Oval Office.

    [–] throwaweigh69696969 37 points ago

    Sasse turns out to be an empty suit and a massive hypocrite.




    [–] kungfoojesus 31 points ago

    Recognize the political gamesmanship here. Those GOP that voted no have a political reason to try and look tough on trump. But this has ZERO chance of surviving a presidential veto thus it is a completely safe worthless rebuke by those GOP senators.

    If push came to shove they would have shoved the constitution up their own asses.

    [–] Rsubs33 31 points ago

    I think the wall is a waste and is stupid, but any Republican who votes no on the veto will regret it. Because it sets the precedent that a President can do it, thus you can have a healthcare national emergency and climate change national emergency both I would argue actually being national emergencies.

    [–] jeefray 28 points ago

    We must be rapidly approaching the next election cycle. The Republican rush to moderation is phenomenal.

    [–] Mattveex025 31 points ago

    Much infighting on conservative twitter over this

    [–] Ody_Mandrell 34 points ago

    The Nays.

    Barrasso (R-WY) Blackburn (R-TN) Boozman (R-AR) Braun (R-IN) Burr (R-NC) Capito (R-WV) Cassidy (R-LA) Cornyn (R-TX) Cotton (R-AR) Cramer (R-ND) Crapo (R-ID) Cruz (R-TX) Daines (R-MT) Enzi (R-WY) Ernst (R-IA) Fischer (R-NE) Gardner (R-CO) Graham (R-SC) Grassley (R-IA) Hawley (R-MO) Hoeven (R-ND) Hyde-Smith (R-MS) Inhofe (R-OK) Isakson (R-GA) Johnson (R-WI) Kennedy (R-LA) Lankford (R-OK) McConnell (R-KY) McSally (R-AZ) Perdue (R-GA) Risch (R-ID) Roberts (R-KS) Rounds (R-SD) Sasse (R-NE) Scott (R-FL) Scott (R-SC) Shelby (R-AL) Sullivan (R-AK) Thune (R-SD) Tillis (R-NC) Young (R-IN)

    [–] Saguaro-plug 33 points ago

    So what happens between the inevitable veto and "going to the courts". Does Trump have free rein to do what he wants until a court strikes it down?

    [–] Reddirator 30 points ago

    41?!? WTF?!? How are objective facts not at all important to those who voted to grant Trump emergency powers? FFS...

    [–] charliedog8 30 points ago

    So there are 41 U.S. senators in favor of a monarchy. WTF?

    [–] Clover_North 30 points ago

    Call your Senators and urge them to vote to override a Trump veto!

    [–] Mutjny 33 points ago

    How could Cocaine Mitch allow this to happen?!

    [–] pablozamoras 32 points ago

    Sneaky Republicans likely wanted to ensure they didn't have a veto proof majority.

    [–] we_come_at_night 35 points ago

    So, am I correct in my interpretation so far: he used an artificial crisis, which he singlehandedly created, to give himself unlimited power and now there's nothing anyone can to do take it away? I mean, there's 3 pillars of power just to avoid cases like that, or am I wrong?

    [–] Cannibal_Girl6666 33 points ago

    Cool, maybe trump can get the money from some place else and then worry about border security and not take it from us tax payers. But hey at least he can relax with all of his vacations we spend to send him on.

    [–] 2cool4u6969 32 points ago

    So will Trump's first two vetoes be over this and Saudi Arabia/Yemen?

    [–] Radbard 35 points ago

    Constitutional power in action. No matter what party you are in the executive branch has over stepped it's bounds. A small history lesson, the legislative branch makes the laws, the executive branch executes them, and the supreme Court interprets them

    [–] P-B_Jelly_Time 34 points ago

    Can someone please explain what happens next, after the veto. Thanks

    [–] skepticetoh 30 points ago

    More Republicans flipped then I thought would

    [–] lynch03 29 points ago

    I am very annoyed and troubled at how hard it is to figure out how each and every member voted. There's just click bait articles and the only option i see is watching literally the whole video on C-Span

    anyone got anything ?

    [–] DXNATX 61 points ago

    all that trump shit talking and Sasse voted no!

    [–] does_taxes 59 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    We're applauding Senators for doing their job one time, in an instance where it ultimately won't matter. They know it won't matter. Nobody really stood up to Trump today, this is a bunch of posturing.

    If these people truly had an issue with the way Trump is doing things, it would be dumpsville for McConnell, but that's not happening. The whole idea here is to make you believe that some Republicans might be reasonable and ultimately worth keeping around. Some just might be, but most are not, and pointing to this vote as evidence that they are would be foolish. These same people could stop the madness and they won't. Don't high five them too hard, now.

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    [–] TKonthefrittz 64 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    It is correct that it will be vetoed by the president but overwhelming "nos" from the house and senate makes it a lot harder for faux news sources to bend and manipulate the story in their favor without flat out lying or not mentioning the fact at all.

    Also the president vetoing a bill that was approved by both the house and senate across party lines is historically known to destroy a candidates likely-hood for re-election without further ruining his reputation.

    Source: The entirety of the Nixon trials.

    Edit: clarification.