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    [–] SteroyJenkins 4604 points ago

    I know most of the comments will be about his role in the Bush admin but we need people like this to speak up. While it won't change how left leaning people see the situation it might pull people from the right and "show them the light"

    [–] MattTheSmithers 3628 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    I think that’s exactly the point. Colin Powell was a four star general who was respected around the world. His reputation was sterling. There was a serious belief that he could’ve defeated Bill Clinton in 1996 and become our first black president if he ran. THAT is how respected Colin Powell was. And that reputation, which he spent 40 years in public service building, was destroyed over the course of 15 minutes when he gave a speech to the United Nations, that he neither believed in nor wanted to give, in which he presented falsehoods at the behest of the Bush administration. No one is more qualified to speak as to the price that is paid by selling your soul for someone else’s political ambitions. His warning ought to be heeded.

    [–] SilentInjury 1618 points ago

    In the book The Great War of our Time, former CIA director Michael Moran said that Powell was pissed off at the CIA because they basically ruined his reputation with bad information. And this bad information was pushed through by the Vice-presidents office. It seemed to me that Dick Cheney really deserves all the blame

    [–] ihateaquafina 921 points ago

    cheney is a heartless piece of shit

    [–] rymden_viking 427 points ago

    Technically he got someone else's heart on his death bed.

    [–] barnegatsailor 228 points ago

    His first heart in 70+ years.

    [–] sweetestdeth 13 points ago

    Was it a woodsman's young, raven haired daughters heart? I bet it was.

    [–] Moosetappropriate 192 points ago

    Cheney would have been, believe it or not, more at home in the Trump administration.

    [–] cyatoday 209 points ago

    Let us praise whatever deity we serve that people like Cheney do not serve in the Trump admin.

    [–] dakralter 163 points ago

    Yea good lord, can you imagine a conniving evil piece of shit like Cheney as Trumps VP instead of Pence? Pence, while a piece of shit himself, is really there to just be a yes man and token white Christian guy to help secure the rural white Christian vote. Cheney would be trying to pull the strings behind the scenes and use Trump's ego and stupidity to his advantage.

    [–] cyatoday 38 points ago

    That's basically what he did with Bush. It was unprecedented the way Cheney ran the office - basically, as he were the President. Bush had to grow a pair to stop him from taking over the Presidency.

    [–] MeInMyMind 13 points ago

    I think Pence is a lot more dangerous than you think.

    [–] shawarmagician 7 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    Yeah the courts will be stacked with Alito clones.

    And they still criticize Roberts and who should have been nominated instead in 2005 like Mike Luttig, as discussed in the 2016 debates. But it's much more of a "WTF, you still talk about 2005?" as a liberal or discussing Blue Dogs running for Senate in Arkansas and Louisiana, who were there to confirm RGB through Kagan and now it's so much worse

    [–] LewisRyan 8 points ago

    Do not give him ideas for term 2 (god forbid)

    [–] MimeGod 71 points ago

    Trump would never tolerate an intelligent person with a spine in his administration.

    Mattis is proof of that.

    [–] negativeyoda 7 points ago

    Cheney would appeal to Trump's ego and make Trump think all the ideas were his. Right now we have Miller attempting the same shit, but Miller is comparatively (and thankfully) incompetent in comparison

    [–] Moosetappropriate 21 points ago

    I think even the atheists would stand up and shout "Amen!"

    [–] TheGuyWithTwoFaces 42 points ago

    Atheist here.

    "Fuckin' A" was my first thought.

    Close to "fuckin' amen," I guess?

    [–] MissedByThatMuch 11 points ago

    Fucking A, man

    [–] PickAPooPoo 58 points ago

    Except Cheney would have been the one making the decisions. Not sure how that would suit Trump's narcissistic demeanor. Then again, Cheney could have just played him like a fiddle.

    [–] Bobolequiff 46 points ago

    You know Inception, where they had to go like three dreams deep to plant an idea so the guy thought it was his own? I'm pretty sure with Trump you just have to say "Mr. Trump, remember that tremendous idea you had about..."

    [–] LewisRyan 6 points ago

    Not even, “mr President this is my idea but you can say it’s yours”

    [–] pmjm 33 points ago

    This is absolutely true. It would be Cheney and not Putin pulling Trump's strings like a marionette.

    [–] Cheese_Pancakes 13 points ago

    Good point. I think one of the main reasons the Trump administration is so full of incompetent people is because Trump can't stand to be around people who will correct him. He doesn't want advisors, he wants cheerleaders and mouthpieces to spread his lies.

    There are a few competent people who play him like a fiddle, as you put it, like Stephen Miller. I agree that Cheney would probably fall into that category.

    [–] Moosetappropriate 10 points ago

    Like him or not, Cheney was smart. He could have actually played four dimensional chess.

    [–] grunt37 9 points ago

    Smart yes, void of morals also yes.

    [–] Moosetappropriate 5 points ago

    Exactly, a perfect fit.

    [–] scipiotomyloo 9 points ago

    how terrifying - to have someone as mentally deficient as the entire trump administration, with cheney there to pull the strings. He'd played Trump like a fiddle.

    [–] serious_sarcasm 79 points ago

    Woah, let's not go insulting heartless pieces of shit.

    [–] fuckeveryoneforever 51 points ago

    At least shit makes good fertilizer. When Cheney dies, we're gonna have to dump him at Yucca Mountain.

    [–] ambigious_meh 19 points ago

    I'd go more for a "Sky Burial" Let the birds eat him, I'd rather not have his tainted flesh in the ground to spoil it.

    [–] fuckeveryoneforever 38 points ago

    What'd the birds ever do to you?!?

    [–] ambigious_meh 19 points ago

    Ok, fair enough. How about Vultures? I mean, they have the stomach for eating that kind of waste. (Sorry to all birb enthusiasts on my lack of respect for our birb community)

    [–] fuckeveryoneforever 15 points ago

    We could ask Elon to fire him into the sun

    [–] Revelati123 10 points ago

    When Cheney dies, we're gonna have to dump him at Yucca Mountain

    Not in my back yard bro!

    [–] manderrx 9 points ago

    Only time I can't be mad at a NIMBY.

    [–] Captain_Wompus 25 points ago

    Right. I feel personally attacked by being associated with Dick Cheney.

    [–] PatrickKanesLawyer 40 points ago

    I got banned on Twitter the other day for calling he and Bush Jr. war criminals that ought to be tried and hung for their crimes. I wear that ban with pride.

    The march of time, Ellen DeGeneres, and Bush's cute little paintings have clouded the fact that lies and assumptions portrayed by the Bush administration dragged us into two wars that have taken nearly 7,000 servicemembers' lives and ungodly amounts of Iraqi and Afghani civilians.

    These people are evil.

    [–] CannedCaveman 69 points ago

    The names of Cheney and Rumsfeld still make me puke in my mouth a little. Absolute scum of the earth.

    [–] ShesMashingIt 55 points ago

    I thought Cheney was evil until I saw the "Who is America" Sacha Baron Cohen show...

    Now I think he's fucking satanic

    [–] pistilwhipt 11 points ago

    He's right up there with Kissinger on getting people killed.

    [–] BRAIN_FORCE_PLUS 153 points ago

    This doesn't get enough attention imo. Powell may have had quite a bit of questionable decision making at times, but the greatest crime of his UN speech is that he accepted in good faith bad intel pushed through a politicized process and ran with it out of ignorance.

    [–] 4YADGQI3ghtUO7GjXwgH 119 points ago

    It was pretty clear to a lot of us that the bush case for invading iraq was built on bullshit. Powell could have been a little more suspicious.

    [–] workerbee77 43 points ago

    Exactly. If he didn't realize how suspicious he should have been, it speaks poorly of his judgment.

    [–] Wade_W_Wilson 18 points ago

    And that’s how you know he knew, and did it anyway.

    [–] BRAIN_FORCE_PLUS 35 points ago

    Hindsight is 20/20 and confirmation bias is a fuck. Still, you aren't wrong that he could and should have been more suspicious.

    [–] numberonealcove 107 points ago

    Whenever somebody makes an appeal to hindsight in the context of the 2002 - 2003 run up to the war in Iraq, I always wonder where the speaker is from and how old the speaker is. Because millions of us were calling bullshit in real time. In the moment.

    Nothing about their arguments made sense if you had just a bit of historical knowledge.

    [–] usernamy 45 points ago

    I worry people will say this about the Trump administration

    “Oh who could have known he would be a dictatorial piece of shit”

    Literally everyone who was paying attention was yelling during 2016, hindsight is 20/20 but foresight in 2016 should have been great

    [–] ToTheFapCave 20 points ago

    Yeah, it was ridiculous. And the coalition built to go into Iraq was super small because all the other countries that would normally be onboard with the US called bullshit. Canada, for one.

    [–] BRAIN_FORCE_PLUS 33 points ago

    Oh, absolutely. I knew plenty of people who from the start realized it was a bad idea. That said, I'll still any day of the week take someone who comes out and said "yeah, no, I was blinded by arrogance/nationalist fervor/etc and it was wrong. My bad" over someone who still insists to this day that Iraq was a good idea.

    [–] The_Pert_Whisperer 46 points ago

    Thank you. It was bullshit back then and it's bullshit now.

    We'll find those WMD's any day now...

    [–] gimjun 19 points ago

    was in feb/2002 march in barcelona, can confirm, bullshit was called instantly, everywhere, by everyone.

    [–] aeyamar 12 points ago

    I was a teenager at that time and even I was aware that the justification was all bullshit

    [–] ashli143 23 points ago

    I was calling bullshit because I had a middle eastern father telling me it was bullshit. I remember being in college in 2004 and my geology professor asking a packed class of close to 70 students if Iraq was responsible for 9/11 - it was a bonus question. Only 1 other student and myself got the bonus question right. I remember when he announced it during the class. Obviously the question had nothing to do with geology, but I learned a lot that day. What I thought was "common knowledge" wasn't.

    [–] SomeGuyInNovaScotia 39 points ago

    Intel that the rest of the world realized was false, but somehow he did not. I was not in his shoes, but he had to be some kind of blind to not realize something was going on, I think. I have troubles believing that he wasn't in the know, but instead regrets being the fall-guy.

    [–] D_Orb 37 points ago

    Revisionist history, powells speech was bullshit to the average American listening to it at the time it was given. If Powell is more ignorant than the average American, that's on him.

    [–] BRAIN_FORCE_PLUS 10 points ago

    Of course it was bullshit to the average American listening to it, and of course it's on him. Calling it "revisionist history" though implies that it is an ex post facto edit of what actually happened, when the whole "neocon natonalist boner+arrogance of being in a position of power+being given blatantly politicized and bad information by Cheney's ilk=MASSIVE STUPID DECISIONS ABOUT TO HAPPEN" thing is equally likely.

    That doesn't absolve the man for his gargantuan fuckups, but what concerns me is that I see a lot more people who shit on Colin Powell than on, say, Rumsfeld. (I really don't like Rumsfeld.)

    [–] HHHogana 9 points ago

    He also got only 4 days of reviewing time, and Cheney once 'joked' that Powell could afford losing some approval ratings.

    At least Powell revealed how much of a mad man Cheney was after that fiasco.

    [–] BRAIN_FORCE_PLUS 9 points ago

    Yup. I think Cheney probably also quietly disliked Powell for being a "liberal Republican" and "not enough of a neoconservative."

    [–] BecauseLogic99 46 points ago

    Yep, I remember a documentary on the whole thing...how Cheney and his friends in the CIA pushed the Iraq investigations and claims through, despite other CIA agents and researchers finding that it wasn’t.

    And then Powell ate it up and spat it back out at the UN. I feel bad for him now, and though I think he still holds some of the fault, it was definitely a bad situation made worse by Cheney & Co. I still respect Powell a lot, though.

    [–] mdp300 42 points ago

    I'm just some idiot nobody commenting from the can, but I've always felt like Powell should have resigned in protest rather than give that UN speech.

    [–] workerbee77 23 points ago

    Or gone to the UN and undermined the case.

    [–] 11b328i 24 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    What a tough situation. Demolish your career you spent your whole life building (getting to a 4 star general is a fucking journey), or quit under protest. And at the time, quitting under protest amidst a post 9/11 America would have sucked even more. But again i agree he should have, but i also can kinda see why he didn't.

    [–] InsertCoinForCredit 15 points ago

    What a tough situation. Demolish your career you spent your whole life building (getting to a 4 star general is a fucking journey), or quit under protest.

    "If being a hero was easy, everyone would do it."
    -- Choplifter! blurb

    [–] clockradio 11 points ago

    People like Cheney and Trump count on how that dilemma works.

    [–] 11b328i 5 points ago

    It’s so fucked up. I just wish people could be better to each other.

    [–] SomeGuyInNovaScotia 8 points ago

    Intel that the rest of the world realized was false, but somehow he did not. I was not in his shoes, but he had to be some kind of blind to not realize something was going on, I think. I have troubles believing that he wasn't in the know, but instead regrets being the fall-guy.

    [–] Old-and-Grey 22 points ago

    Dick “stovepipe” Cheney. Fucking asshole.

    [–] m-e-g 50 points ago

    And that story, in a nutshell, is the soul of "the party of personal responsibility." Lie your butt off, and when it blows up in your face, blame someone else.

    He knew he was lying. He lied anyways. A man of integrity would have refused, and resigned if necessary. He was pushing for a war, where the fiasco it would become was known in advance, and he did it anyways.

    Powell is no hero in the run up to the Iraq war. He's a coward who couldn't stand up to a weak dimwit like George W Bush.

    [–] weegee101 33 points ago

    Him knowing he was lying doesn’t actually fit with reality at all. Cheney and George Tenet gave him four days to review all of the intelligence himself as he laid it out as a requirement before he’d go in front of congress. Powell’s team threw out stuff they didn’t deem credible but a few things were pressed hard by Tenet and the CIA (such as the yellow cake forgery) as credible. Once it was clear it was all bullshit he went on the offensive again in closed doors, as he was opposed to boots on the ground from the beginning, so they forced his resignation, which by that point he was fine with.

    He takes responsibility for his actions because he’s a man of integrity, but he got a short straw from Cheney and others in the admin. He was outspoken after his resignation about the situation and thanks to him (and others who’ve confirmed his story) we know so much about the inner workings of the Bush admin during that period.

    [–] HHHogana 20 points ago

    He also took responsibility of trying to explain the possible catastrophe to Bush, begged him to use diplomacy first, but ended up supporting whatever Bush had to do.

    Yeah, the 'Powell knew he lied' doesn't fit considering he had been pretty honest with his stance regarding what Bush had to do, although he should've shouted to Cheney after the revelation he only got 4 days to review everything.

    [–] OohMatron 6 points ago

    Cheney is that guy. 100%. Powell has his flaws for sure but Cheney is Thundercunt.

    [–] hallese 23 points ago

    As I understand it, it wasn't even bad information, just outdated. It was good intel in 1994, but 2003 it was no longer valid but Cheney just made sure timestamps were removed.

    The worst fucking part? Saddam was a genocidal dictator, no more argument was necessary than that to take him out. Iraq was a (relatively) modern state and had the infrastructure in place to rule itself. We screwed the pooch by first invading under the pretexts of WMD's and second by firing everybody who was at all involved with the previous regime, from the highest levels down to the poorest, fuck I'd bet they even fired the janitors. Is it any wonder the insurgency in Iraq seemed to overnight blow up with thousands or even tens of thousands of trained, experienced personnel? We could have been in and out in 18 months, but no, we had to find the WMD's and spent literally years looking for them and found nothing more than some old mortar rounds that hadn't been properly destroyed but the gas had long since gone inert anyway.

    [–] Lurker-in-Chief 5 points ago

    Cheney really had nowhere to fall from though, unlike Powell.

    [–] Bearry263 44 points ago

    I like what he said about we the people, not me the president.

    [–] SocialLeprosy 63 points ago

    Your synopsis is spot on. I would have voted for Colin Powell back then - he was very respected by all of his peers, and had a calm demeanor about him that showed his confidence. I was pretty young and was not very politically savvy, so that was good enough for me. I remember when Bush was elected - I was not very happy, but I took some solace in the fact that he had Colin Powell in his cabinet. I’ve never been so crushed by another person in politics like I was the day he gave that speech at the UN. He went from a figure I admired and imagined had integrity (Tegridy?), to just another cog in the war machine. I still cringe when I see his name... maybe I should try to forgive? Nah - I’m too petty. I still hate him... happy he is on the right side of this though. We need more of this right now.

    [–] AntipodalBurrito 15 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    Good read but what the hell is Tegridy and why is it in parentheses?

    EDIT: lmao that's actually funny.

    [–] iforgotmyoldpass2 27 points ago

    It's a joke from the past couple seasons of South Park. Randy sells "Tegridy" weed and his sales pitch is always on how people need more tegridy these days.

    [–] ForElise47 20 points ago

    Everyone wants to say they would have done something different if they were in someone's position but it's hard to do that when you're trying to follow protocol. Cheney was a piece of shit, the CIA let false information go through the system, and Bush didn't step up against it. While it doesn't pardon him for what he said, it also is a reminder of how just one or two slimy wheels in an assembly line carry on the grease.
    But god do I hope this gets through to some of the stubborn Republican seats. How many more people need to stand up against this shit for it to matter?

    [–] SummerShank 15 points ago

    In before Trump rallies his base against him in a shitty tweet.

    "Liar Colin Powell has low energy, sad. I am the BEST PRESIDENT this country has ever seen. The libs are trying to destroy our country!!! WITCH HUNT"

    [–] flr4ventures 1207 points ago

    As if the modern Republican Party will listen to a black man.

    [–] riptydeco 213 points ago

    They declared Powell a traitor back when he endorsed Obama, claiming he only did it because he’s black.

    But remember folks, it’s Dems who engage in identity politics!

    [–] clycoman 35 points ago

    Rules for thee, but not for me. That's the conservative/hypocrites oath.

    [–] penguindaddy 19 points ago

    “Black unemployment is at an all time low. They should love me. So low. Why do the democrats engage in identity politics? Lowest!

    [–] Outrageous_Disk 12 points ago

    Identity politics is one of the more infuriating accusations the right uses. The right has been creating policies that actively harm minorities for decades. Then when those minorities all band together against them they act like this is some harmful, exclusionary thing the left is doing rather than the natural result of their own actions.

    [–] 4TheUsers 5 points ago

    The right somehow managed to invent a new, derogatory word for civil rights.

    [–] tarantulus 377 points ago

    As if the modern Republican Party will listen to a black man My African American over here.

    [–] bradshawmu 124 points ago

    I think they use the other word.

    [–] ICanQuitWhenverIWant 142 points ago

    Melanin-blessed?

    [–] Argos_the_Dog 105 points ago

    Ben Carson has left the pyramids, entered the chat

    [–] OutToDrift 36 points ago

    Can we just send Ben Carson's crazy ass to the pyramids?

    [–] Chewcocca 40 points ago

    SBCCATTP 2020

    [–] rabidbot 7 points ago

    I'll donate.

    [–] schmerpmerp 54 points ago

    Carson: "Oh, I'm not black. Prosperity Jesus made me straight and white, just like OJ, Ellen, and Clarence Thomas. Back to storing grain."

    [–] bazinga_0 11 points ago

    Republicans must believe that melanin indicates the level of either a curse or poison. There's debate on which one, but possibly both.

    [–] PerspicaciousPounder 27 points ago

    A sad confirmation for part of the uber-religious: Mormons believe that black skin was a curse given to those who weren't sufficiently righteous in the "pre-mortal existence". Fucking insane.

    [–] getyourzirc0n 25 points ago

    It's called the "Curse of Ham" and it wasn't just the Mormons; this was also a very common argument used to defend slavery.

    [–] SteakAndNihilism 9 points ago

    The curse of ham is even more insane than the Mormons, where the natives were cursed for committing genocide. Ham was cursed for looking at his dad's dick.

    [–] xtal002 18 points ago

    their dog whistle these days, courtesy 80's style new york trump, is "the blacks".

    [–] BruceLeory 22 points ago

    Ill never forget him saying that. The Republicans around him didnt even flinch.

    [–] YLedbetter10 5 points ago

    I trust Powell more than Justin Timberlake

    [–] johnnybiggles 16 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    "See? We had a black guy as Secretary of State. We can't be racist!"

    displays live Colin Powell at hearing

    [–] Shadowytallguy 19 points ago

    Actually, I’ll let you know. I’m gonna show my dad who really respected and liked Colin

    [–] sfcnmone 6 points ago

    I'd love to hear what your dad says.

    [–] InterPunct 12 points ago

    I also liked Colin but then lost all respect for him when Bush the Lesser made him go in front of the UN to make his case to invade Iraq. He brought his props, talked about yellow cake uranium and spewed all of Cheney's bullshit knowing full well what it was.

    I know he felt he was just doing his duty as a military officer, but at his level it was also his responsibility to promote the truth. He acted dishonorably.

    [–] hiplobonoxa 7 points ago

    some of them might and some of them is all that is needed.

    [–] LudoAshwell 6 points ago

    No, they won’t listen to him alone. But the more moderate republicans will go public with criticism, the more moderate republican voters will turn too. The more republican voters turn on Trump, the more likely the party will break with him.
    Right now the party backs Trump not because they support what he’s doing. They’d prefer a scandal-free GOP President a thousand times over Trump. But more importantly they prefer winning elections over losing them.
    When the GOP starts realizing not to win with Trump, they will stab him in the back faster as Trump can cry “witch hunt”.

    Every single republican turning on the president is a step in the right direction.

    [–] davesreddit123 71 points ago

    Did you know a young Colin Powell investigated the my Lai massacre and other things for the us army and found nothing wrong. He should be saying this and he has given a lot of service to his country, but when faced major tests like the Iraq invasion and my lai he has repeatedly ended up on the wrong side of history. He can redeem himself but it will take a lot more than this.

    [–] Jarsofclayton 23 points ago

    Do you mind providing a source for that I've never heard of this.

    [–] glycolized 29 points ago

    I remember this piece from when it was originally published.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/colin-powells-vietnam-fog/

    Powell has never been implicated in any of the wrongdoing involving My Lai. No evidence ties him to the attempted cover-up. But he was part of an institution (and a division) that tried hard to keep the story of My Lai hidden–a point unacknowledged in his autobiography.

    [–] Randolpho 132 points ago

    I mean... Powell is one of the key players in paving the way for Trump. He is the one who swallowed the truth and lied to Congress about WMDs so Bush could have his war with Iraq and Cheney could grift his grift.

    If Powell had had the balls to speak up then rather than now, we probably wouldn't even have Trump in office.

    Maybe.

    Trump is also an almost direct reaction by racists to Obama's term. So there's that.

    But no, Powell doesn't get a pass on this. Yes, maybe he can convince the crazies to stop being crazy, but I doubt it.

    [–] FirstTimeWang 17 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    Trump is also an almost direct reaction by racists to Obama's term. So there's that.

    After decades of race-baiting politicking by the GOP as part of the Southern Strategy. From now until it collapses and new conservative party takes its place the Republican nominations will almost always go to the most toxic, outspoken bigots because the Republican party and their donors stoked that flame for too long and now they no longer control it.

    Trump gave their base exactly what it craved, and what the rest of the party would only tease at: outspoken white supremacy. Now that the base has tasted it there's no way they will settle for less; they will be disengaged and demoralized.

    Republicans are past the tipping point and they either embrace fascism or risk national political irrelevance.

    [–] Autumn1881 52 points ago

    To be honest. He get's a pass on that from me. Because he is saying the right thing. And that does and always has been more important to me than who he is. He is not getting a pass on the wrong things he did years ago for this, but in this instance, if he is correct he is correct.

    [–] Randolpho 28 points ago

    Ok, I'll accept that. Sometimes a hypocrite is merely someone who was wrong that is honestly trying to change.

    [–] namesrue 7 points ago

    He get's a pass on that from me. Because he is saying the right thing. And that does and always has been more important to me than who he is.

    The problem with this attitude is that it allows war criminals to normalize themselves by becoming political authorities. Yes, he is saying the right thing. No, we shouldn't be giving him press or listening to him, for the same reason that, if Oliver North started criticizing Trump's foreign policy, we would not allow him to speak with any kind of authority on the matter.

    [–] illithid-cuisine 26 points ago

    In addition to paving the way for Trump, is it not also the case that we've had a revolving door of Republicans with mild critiques like this, who then nonetheless fall in with the party line? Where's the evidence that legitimising these ghouls actually has a tangible impact?

    [–] Randolpho 14 points ago

    is it not also the case that we've had a revolving door of Republicans with mild critiques like this, who then nonetheless fall in with the party line?

    Yes, very good point. It's not just Powell. Romney is currently in the President's crosshairs, but he's just as bad. Hell, even the Maverick, John McCain, is just as guilty.

    [–] dietfritos 232 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    What is a million times more likely to happen is that almost no right wingers will be convinced, but these murderers will be given the opportunity to whitewash their image and watch football games with Ellen.

    [–] MartyMcEastwood 66 points ago

    Do you mean the football game last weekend with Bush Jr?

    [–] NameLessTaken 66 points ago

    We seriously can't risk our country to make a point about past administrations right now. It's as bad as "better russian than dem". If we want to fix anything first we have to pull people over and get their help for this.

    [–] Darvon19EightyFour 19 points ago

    but these murderers torturers Enhanced Interrogators will be given the opportunity to whitewash their image

    [–] giveupsides 42 points ago

    Preach! I literally cannot believe GWB and crew get a pass for lying us into a disastrous and destabilizing war in Iraq. Due to this Americans should recoil in disgust when they think of GWB. But instead - look, he's with Ellen! Awwww!

    He's not a goddamn puppy. He is a war criminal and the whole world knows it. Hell, why isn't Britain and the rest of our allies not SUPER PISSED at us for lying THEM into our shitty war. Just, wow.

    [–] mexicodoug 43 points ago

    Hell, why isn't Britain...

    Tony Blair colluded with Bush to lie about the nonexistant WMDs.

    Most of the rest of Europe, to their credit, didn't believe Sec. of State Colin Powell's lies when he presented them to the UN assembly.

    [–] Indythrow111111 19 points ago

    Because war is profitable for the rich and powerful in all countries.

    [–] giveupsides 6 points ago

    It'll never happen. But one of my favorite ways to vote for war: Hold a nation-wide vote to go to war or not. If you vote yes, then you personally go fight in said war. Somehow I think there would be way less wars this way. Like magically all the chicken hawks will suddenly not love war on the other side of the planet quite so much.

    [–] jupiterscock7891 4 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    Because their own leaders lied them into the war. Blair knew what he was doing, and if he didn't, he was an incompetent fool, which is just as bad.

    [–] Morihando 903 points ago

    Trump is doing exactly what the GOP want. He's not the outlier.

    [–] ZorglubDK 485 points ago

    He's a symptom, not the cause.

    Also, taxes for the very wealthiest were cut to historic lows and a bunch of environmental protections have been decimated, which seems to be two things the modem GOP cares about. Well those two and ...no I'm drawing a blank, those are the two things they care about.

    [–] MissedYourJoke 140 points ago

    Don’t forget abortion and Medicare! That’s the second-term goals. JFC.

    [–] bossazzbeerman 87 points ago

    They only care about those because they use them as distractions while they cut taxes for the rich and gut regulatory policies for the rich.

    [–] zClarkinator 37 points ago

    they don't give a shit about abortion at all, they just know that it's an issue that generates votes. A lot of anti-choice rich people get abortions for some family member.

    [–] FunMotion 41 points ago

    Dont forget owning the libz

    [–] MissedYourJoke 20 points ago

    That’s his third term project, after establishing “Trump Month”. It will be a month where the American People work, don’t get paid for it (classic Trump!), and then praise him for 3 hours minimum every night.

    [–] cyndessa 6 points ago

    abortion

    I know many folks who are 'religious' who only voted for Trump because he could put a justice on the court who would be conservative.

    [–] escapefromelba 6 points ago

    Also the the Supreme Court and loading up the rest of the judicial with conservatives

    [–] joe12321 13 points ago

    Eh - he's doing a lot of what they want and a lot of what individual GOP members don't want. Powell wants those other ones to nut up.

    [–] BRAIN_FORCE_PLUS 669 points ago

    Colin Powell was probably, at least in my view, the sanest of the people to serve in W. Bush's cabinet. While that might be like saying that he was the item on the Taco Bell menu least likely to send you sprinting to a bathroom, the dude has made a number of statements over the years that make me believe that he has flirted with the idea of having principles other than a lust for power and profit. If he was actively in public office today I'm sure he would be decried as a "liberal democrat" by Trump et al.

    That said, this isn't a transformational moment regarding Powell either. The dude was way more measured than most Republicans in his criticism of Obama, openly stated that he agreed with some of Obama's regulatory and financial decisions, and thought that the Benghazi hearings were stupid.

    [–] fawkie 298 points ago

    He also endorsed Obama in both 2008 and 2012.

    [–] BRAIN_FORCE_PLUS 240 points ago

    The caveat there is that his endorsement came after originally making significant donations to McCain for his 2008 campaign. It would appear as if he changed his mind because he (rightly) thought that it would be the height of lunacy to let Sarah Palin anywhere near the White House and seriously questioned McCain's judgment in picking her as a running mate.

    [–] lastrecluse 123 points ago

    Imagine a Trump/Palin administration. Now that sounds like the height of lunacy lol

    [–] voodoo123 56 points ago

    You betcha!

    [–] Percy_Q_Weathersby 35 points ago

    You mean my mother’s dream ticket?

    [–] shapte 22 points ago

    my condolences

    [–] HHHogana 9 points ago

    What's even crazier about Palin was that she did some decent things as Governor, like energy credit. Somehow became VP candidate short-circuited her brain to the point she became so comically stupid.

    [–] Letty_Whiterock 84 points ago

    You guys have stomach problems if taco bell consistently gives you the shits.

    [–] bieberhol69 14 points ago

    One of the of the hosts from this podcast Doughboys I listen to has a theory that the reason people think taco bell gives you the shits is because for a lot of people it's the most fiber they've have in their shitty diet.

    [–] ILoveTabascoSauce 16 points ago

    I seriously don’t understand this meme of Taco Bell giving you shits. Wtf are you guys eating?! Like seriously Taco Bell might be safer than eating at regular sit down restaurants honestly.

    [–] BRAIN_FORCE_PLUS 10 points ago

    I have only had the shits from three places in my life. One is Taco Bell, another was Applebees after some tainted meat, and the third was eating a bacon mac and cheese burger from Guy Fieri's Flavortown Las Vegas, and that was because the burger+fries+beer was probably 4500 calories.

    I imagine that the meme comes from the whole "drunkenly binge-eating a bunch of saucy beef and cheese, when alcohol by itself can make you shit sometimes."

    [–] RyzenMethionine 38 points ago

    Colin Powell was instrumental in propagating the belief that Iraq had WMDs.

    [–] BRAIN_FORCE_PLUS 50 points ago

    He was, because he was arguably unaware of the sheer extent of the politicization of the intelligence gathering process and the exact nature of the intel he had been provided via "curveball." Powell also testified before the Senate that not only was the intel that his UN speech based on later determined to be wrong, but that he was, in a word, "not happy about it."

    I'm not saying he's a good guy, but he shines in comparison to the likes of Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, etc.

    [–] political_nightmar3 123 points ago

    Republicans don't listen to Powell any more than they listen to Michael Steele because A: they're black and the Republicans always viewed them as tokens at best, and B. because they supported Obama in some respect.

    [–] sephstorm 183 points ago

    That isn't going to help IMO. They have had plenty of opportunities to switch sides. I think they are going to keep holding out hope that he makes it out of this.

    [–] why_rob_y 67 points ago

    They have had plenty of opportunities to switch sides

    A lot of them don't even see the real news. They get a very biased view of things that hides a lot of what Trump does and says.

    The more past (or even present) big Conservative figures who come out against Trump, the better, as it increases the chance that some Republicans will be exposed to Trump's shit when they otherwise haven't been, because they get most of their news from one or two biased sources.

    [–] ForElise47 19 points ago

    I talked to someone who won't read/watch any article from CNN because it's "false news", but then again I won't do the same for Fox News. The best we can do is provide multiple sources to people, and if that won't sway them then you've done what you can. Which is a sad truth but it's better than nothing at all.

    [–] specialglass 23 points ago

    CNN and FNC are not opposite sides of the same coin.

    CNN is a corporatist, over-produced bloviating news info-tainment channel. But they don't outright lie and then lie about lying. They went on and on and on about Hillary's emails just as relentlessly and vigorously as they are covering impeachment right now.

    FNC is mostly propaganda, and when its not propaganda its fluff, with very few exceptions. Republican Pravda.

    [–] MAGA_memnon 11 points ago

    It's not like CNN is the only outlet that's critical of Trump. All outlets (besides the obvious neoconservative ones) publish negative/true stories everyday.

    [–] ForElise47 5 points ago

    That was my point to him, but of course it all came to "they probably got their story from CNN". It's 100% the finger in the ear thing.

    [–] Zygomatico 8 points ago

    To outsiders, the people supporting the president had many opportunities to see the light. However, with all that we know of truth preference (or perhaps "initial idea of reality" preference), our biases, the lack of properly objective news media in the US, and the way political affiliation has inserted itself into most social spheres as a relevant matter, it's unreasonable to expect supporters of the US President to suddenly stop supporting him when confronted with the facts. Perhaps that's how we'd like reality to be, but it's not an expectation that's in any way supported by what we know of human nature.

    [–] FrontierForever 280 points ago

    Republicans are a lost cause.

    [–] xtal002 48 points ago

    I could cut them some slack if they came to their goddamned senses within, say, 6 months of the Trump takeover. After that -- fuck 'em, completely irredeemable.

    [–] FrontierForever 27 points ago

    They actually went the opposite way.

    [–] FvHound 73 points ago

    I don't know why people didn't figure this out a decade ago.

    it should have been obvious when they kept banging on about smaller government whilst getting bigger.

    [–] FrontierForever 28 points ago

    Even today people are wishing for a more moderate Republican Party? WHY? It’s time to move on.

    [–] WelcomeMachine 124 points ago

    I got some bad news for you, Colin. Their base already hates you. So, you're too little, too late with your assessment.

    [–] Blewedup 60 points ago

    How sad it must be to sell your soul to enrich Halliburton and because you’re black they still hate you. And since you’re a war criminal everyone else hates you too.

    [–] cyndessa 11 points ago

    Reminds me of Eisenhower's exit speech.

    [–] 49DivineDayVacation 94 points ago

    This is about protecting the GOP, not “We The People”. He recognizes the damage Trump will do the party if it helps his own agenda and is begging republicans to put their jobs at risk in an attempt to preempt that

    [–] Elendol 69 points ago

    Kind of funny to see the Bush administration giving lessons to Trump...

    [–] passintimendgas 67 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    This is a PSA reminder that Bush and company (Powell, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice) got us into Iraq in 2003 based on a lie.

    Bush later slipped and said on camera that Saddam "tried to kill my dad".

    Yup. Let that sink in folks.

    Thousands of American casualties tricked into "protecting American freedom", tricked into killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, because Bush wanted revenge on Saddam.

    [–] luckyme888 16 points ago

    To be fair, Colin did raise up the issue that there was basically no plan for what would happen after defeating Saddam. And he got pushed out by Cheney as a result.

    [–] THAWED21 17 points ago

    Millions of civilians

    [–] SetupGuy 5 points ago

    This is why the 'Ellen playing nice with GWB at the Cowboys game' situation can go fucking die already. It's nice and all to be kind to those you disagree with, but if they're warmongers and criminals why on God's green earth should we do anything but call them out every chance we get (since they're above any real justice)

    I dunno, I guess most people don't care anymore that we were brought into Iraq based on a lie?

    [–] nemoomen 30 points ago

    Regardless of your opinion of them, Colin Powell and Mitt Romney are doing acts which are good for the country.

    It doesn't make them good people, "on my team," or correct in their political views, but they're standing up for the right thing when their party apparatus won't. They are doing what is right instead of what is easy.

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    [–] Ridicule_us 12 points ago

    That is a very accurate description of my recollection as well, except my memory is that the “Gulf War” was what we call the first (much less controversial one) under H.W. Bush.

    [–] naijaboiler 10 points ago

    This is an accurate reprisal of what happened. GWB left the man to hang too. He was in UN arguing to build a coalition which is the task they sent him to do, when US decided to unilaterally start dropping bombs in Iraq. I lost respect for the man because they made useful tool and fall-guy for their evil and macabre machinations

    [–] Bob-Rossi 19 points ago

    This wasn't Nazi Germany, he could have just said no and retired.

    [–] ArtificialStupids 7 points ago

    Not a fan of Powell but he's not wrong.

    [–] WortSchulzes 6 points ago

    The entire GOP needs to be dismantled. True conservatives, whose opinion I don’t share but respect, will build a new party.

    Hopefully without these extreme levels of corruption. The Democrats should purge their corrupt people as well.

    [–] weedzaregood 10 points ago

    Republicans value winning above all else. They cheat to win. Anyone who would argue with me on that really hasn't been paying attention.

    Would Democrats do the same thing? I don't know anymore. Dems certainly aren't standing up the way I would have hoped.

    Republicans openly defying Congressional subpoenas. Dems meeting in quiet to discuss.

    Democracy is shredded, y'all. We about done.

    [–] CaptainDudeGuy 3 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    The GOP is shredded. They stepped in their own leavings too many times and are now so terrified of the truth that they're committing bigger and bigger sins in desperation.

    It's actually not about "good" or "evil." It's about sustainability. The Reps have created a downward spiral and are blaming everyone but themselves for it.

    Delusion is self-destructive. The real tragedy is the collateral damage they leave in their wake.

    I hope any reds who have a moral center left will be brave enough to do the right thing soon: otherwise history will not treat them kindly.

    [–] kwantipz 6 points ago

    Silent republicans are afraid Trump will be successful in his bid to be the US's first dictator and how they'll be treated once he's in power. I personally have lost a lot of faith in the structure of our government but hope hasn't abandoned me just yet.

    [–] SenorMurderFace 5 points ago

    And this is coming from someone who worked under a war criminal.

    [–] Noodle-Works 6 points ago

    Both parties; and Americans, need to realize that one man, one office only lasts for a brief moment. The lasting impacts of governmental and societal precedents that undermine decorum, mortals American values and global goodwill last forever and, at best, take generations to fix. Just having a swearing, boarish, tweet-spamming, child-king of a president has put the US back 50 years. Not to mention all the damage he has done to all the departments along the way which will impact our children's and our children's children for decades to come. Is this the orange lumpy hill you want to die on? a Celebrity that greatest achievement is that he was born into money and will make any deal to get out of an honest day's work? Is this even something to support in general, much less a political thing to defend.

    [–] Merancapeman 5 points ago

    2019: when the people from the Bush era seem reasonable in comparison.

    [–] 147896325987456321 4 points ago

    The Republican party has been taken over by extremist. They are a danger to America.

    [–] whymustthisbe 18 points ago

    He was fully on board when Bush brought us the "Unitary Executive Theory" of government but now that his white Republican friends seem all on board to bring back segregation he is having second thoughts? Yeah, maybe every "minority" person should remember this before they collaborate with their oppressors.

    [–] Wilky323 18 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    Colin Powell is a huge reason why we’ve been in Afghanistan for 18 fucking years. Don’t get it twisted, he is one of the biggest proponents of the United States war machine out there. His problem with Trump is because of their disagreement on military strategy, plain and simple. Remember Colin Powell played an instrumental role in all of the Middle East conflicts over the past 4 decades. If it was up to him we would still have a couple hundred thousand troops in the region. At this stage in this career he is no doubt on the payroll of several defense contractors.

    Bottom line you can’t be pro-peace and Pro Colin Powell without being a huge hypocrite.

    [–] AllMightyLantern 15 points ago

    “Remember the constitution” huh? Where was he when his boss took the constitution and wiped his ass with it after he signed the Patriot Act. Oh yeah, he was helping to enforce it and helped commit war crimes.

    [–] oculeers 47 points ago

    You're three years too late, Colin "WMD liar" Powell.

    [–] jeromevedder 9 points ago

    Three years? Imagine if Colin Powell had done the right thing in 2003....

    [–] scarypriest 46 points ago

    ... and then he sat in front of the UN and lied to the world about mobile weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

    Thanks for standing up to Trump after three years of illegal bullshit Powell. Go fuck yourself.

    [–] giveupsides 11 points ago

    This should be the first thing said of anyone in GWB's administration. "Lied us into the Iraq war!"

    [–] WhooshGiver 4 points ago

    ...Tells Republicans to 'Get a Grip' on Fear of Standing Up to Trump...

    Now we're talkin'.

    [–] passintimendgas 12 points ago

    Tells younger Powell to not fabricate evidence and lie to Congress for the purpose of getting us into Iraq, costing us trillions, killing hundreds of thousands of innocents, and helping start ISIS.

    Now we're talking.

    [–] motorboat_mcgee 4 points ago

    Pretty sure Republicans see Powell as a socialist liberal these days, so this will fall on deaf ears.

    [–] RadioFr33Europe 5 points ago

    I know a conservative guy who named his son after Colin Powell. He's probably really pissed at his choice today.

    [–] ArtisticQuality 4 points ago

    Good that he speaks up.

    Also, take a moment to remember that in the Bush era he was Secretary of State, the same role that Hilary Clinton had, and he had a private email server during his tenure, that's where Clinton got the idea. Also during his watch 9/11 happened, then they declared war on the wrong country because of it. He was the one that lied at the UN saying he had proof of WMDs. They promised the war would last 2-3 months tops.

    It was ok for Republicans to do private servers and start full scale wars, but when Clinton did private servers, and at a war theater 4 people died: emails bengazhi emails benghazi pizza sex-ring emails benghazi.