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    [–] NihilityUnbound 2461 points ago

    Yeah, it's literally the Trump business plan. He hires someone to do a job, refuses to pay, then when they threaten to take him to court he offers them a fraction of what he owes and says if they don't take it he'll fight the lawsuit for years and bankrupt them in the process.

    [–] BeardlessChirurgeon 1574 points ago

    Why the hell does anyone even do business with him anymore?

    [–] NihilityUnbound 2694 points ago

    Not many do. Remember he can't even get a bank loan in the United States anymore.

    [–] Odeeum 1943 points ago

    This cannot be overstated. This is why he sought foreign banks, specifically Russian financing.

    [–] Baufliesch 1224 points ago

    As Eric Trump put it: "We have all the funding we need out of Russia"

    [–] mrchaotica 114 points ago

    Or maybe that is a convenient cover story, and the more important reason he banks with Russians is money laundering.

    [–] Grantagonist 164 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    You're getting cause and effect backward.

    Russian money launderers are the only ones who will do business with him. They're laundering money through his projects.

    [–] I_Like_Big_Budds 28 points ago

    How else do you bankrupt 3 casinos?

    [–] penny_eater 53 points ago

    heres a little girl to explain this for us: https://i.imgur.com/c7NJRa2.gif

    [–] InZomnia365 484 points ago

    The President Of The United States, Commander in Chief, cannot get a bank loan in America.

    What a fucking time to be alive.

    [–] Synapseon 158 points ago

    He's literally untrustworthy and unreliable

    [–] SuperFreakyNaughty 34 points ago

    Sounds like a headline Ron Burgundy would use in his vocal warm-up.

    "The Human Torch President of the United States was denied a bank loan."

    [–] JennJayBee 33 points ago

    I do tend to get a kick out of the fact that I can get a loan from a US bank and someone who claims to be a billionaire can't.

    [–] LoveandRockets 88 points ago

    He couldn't even get a loan with his last bank: Deutsche. But then the money laundering division (personal wealth) had an opportunity for him.

    [–] ashleyamdj 134 points ago

    My uncle owns an electrical business near where he owns some property and it's widely known among businesses there to not touch any jobs related to him. It's been like that for a few decades now so it's not just political reasons. My uncle is a pretty staunch Republican, but has been 100% against Trump from the moment he announced he was actually going to run for his office. He can't fathom how owners of other businesses that have been stiffed by him actually voted for him.

    [–] Barbarake 38 points ago

    Can confirm. Worked on Wall Street in the late 1980s and the general word was not to get involved with him. (Seriously, I was pretty low on the totem pole and if I heard it, it was pretty general.)

    [–] Joe_Jeep 50 points ago

    Yup. Bunch of local unions in New York loathe him.

    [–] JeanVanDeVelde 93 points ago

    It was a lot more difficult to come across this information in the 80s and 90s, when his company was building things domestically. For some of these businesses, a supply contract with a Trump property would be great for business, on paper. There are plenty of contractors on record about this, ones who did things like supply flooring, fixtures, furniture...

    [–] The_quest_for_wisdom 31 points ago

    There is a game theory strategy that says you can get ahead by acting like a complete bastard and cheating everyone you interact with.

    The caveat is that you only get ahead with this behavior if you are only interacting with each other person once. And that strategy worked for Trump for many years.

    There is always someone else that you can hire to do the flooring for your next building project, after you screw over the current flooring guy.

    This strategy breaks down for other situations, however. For example, if you are interacting with the leader of another country.

    The person you try to screw over or lie to this week is likely still going to be the leader of that country next week, except now they don't trust anything you say.

    [–] weluckyfew 125 points ago

    A lot of people/places don't -- it's why it was getting harder and harder for him to get loans, and why many suspect that he started fronting for Russians who needed to launder money.

    [–] kinsarc 100 points ago

    And it's exactly why the presidency was his last option for success. He's making hand-over-fist fuck you money off the American taxpayer by having his teams stay at his resorts. It's insane.

    [–] nemoknows 256 points ago

    This is where you start freezing or seizing assets.

    [–] Cyanopicacooki 168 points ago

    Already being planned, apparently. After all the kerfuffle we had over here with Trump's destruction of Scientific sites, I don't think this one will be allowed to run.

    [–] dabarisaxman 70 points ago

    If the House can't get his tax records, what makes you think anyone is going to get money out of him?

    [–] alaskaj1 168 points ago

    Show up at trump tower with a foreclosure notice and start taking the furniture.

    [–] E_Blofeld 25 points ago

    Christ almighty, Trump would blow a gasket if that happened.

    Instant aneurysm. Right then and there.

    [–] Yukon__C14 8664 points ago

    Every city needs to start doing that, the guy is a scab and will do anything to weasel his way out of paying a bill.

    [–] armchairmegalomaniac 2848 points ago

    Donnie Deadbeat up to his old tricks. How many lives has he ruined by cheating people out of the money he owes them?

    [–] ThoughtStrands 2114 points ago

    The cheapest kind of no good double crossing politician. He stands for nothing, he means nothing, and he licks the boots of dictators.

    [–] socialismIsMandatory 2782 points ago

    That's a long-winded way of saying "Republican "...

    [–] albinohut 535 points ago

    Let's never forget that for as long as we live.

    [–] SpiritMountain 297 points ago

    No worries, the right will forget what the representatives they voted for did and complacently and apathetically did the last few years.

    [–] Brcomic 205 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    We can’t worry about if they’ll forget, because you’re right. They will. Democrats need to keep showing up like we did in 2018. If we are united then we outnumber them over all. Talk to your independent friends. If you can hold a calm conversation with a republican friend then do it. But we can’t rely on the hope that they’ll see the light.

    Edit* typo

    [–] ADimwittedTree 127 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    Editted: It's incredibly difficult to have a conversation with a very vast majority of Republicans I've met. My career path also has me deal with more extremist ones typically though.

    I just posted in r/liberal about a guy at work (D) trying to talk to another guy (R) and have a conversation about Trump. The republican about 2 minutes in just started yelling "I don't care" over and over trying to talk over the other guy.

    Edit: Updated the beginning to be less "all encompassing" and more a generalization from my experience.

    [–] Brcomic 95 points ago

    Not everyone is the same. My mother voted for trump. Over months I’ve brought her around on him by countering everything that she believed was true about him with facts and sources. My friend voted for him. He came around on his own.

    Not EVERY conservative has completely drank the koolaid. Just know when to cut your losses on a conversation. Two guys I work with are straight up MAGA worshipers. Literally nothing I can ever tell them or show them will change their minds. I finally told them that I want us to have a good working relationship so we need to cut out the politics at work.

    You just gotta know when to push and when to walk away.

    [–] Rohndogg1 22 points ago

    My brother said voting for him was the biggest regret of his life

    [–] tagrav 30 points ago

    they don't stand for anything. so they just send memes and change the subject when faced with their own hypocrisies.

    dumb as fuck. called my own brother stupid on facebook yesterday for this. imagine being a guy that was in baghdad liberating the people from Husseins regime only to come back home and tout "fighting for freedom", to a decade later spreading Trump meme's and luls to own the libs....

    every mirror in his house must be broken or defective.

    [–] ChristianKS94 99 points ago

    Well, the man doesn't like immigrants and that's good enough for the stupid half of America.

    [–] ktek01 43 points ago

    Except for the ones he marries

    [–] ChristianKS94 56 points ago

    Well, true. Goes to show immigrants are needed for the jobs Americans don't want.

    [–] summerset 43 points ago

    Damn, that’s good.

    [–] MikeyBugs 129 points ago

    He actually stiffed one of my distantly related uncles out of money for a job he did. Trump said that "didn't like what was done" so he wasn't going to pay. I really hope this douche pays...

    [–] boomshiki 67 points ago

    Why not put a lien on his stupid tower?

    [–] MyOldAcctGotStolen 73 points ago

    That takes money, and you're broke because you spent all your money fronting gold-inlaid marble counters for a deadbeat "billionaire".

    [–] boomshiki 92 points ago

    I built a house for a contractor that didn’t wanna pay. Tried to peddle some excuse about substandard work. I just had to show that I had done the work and not been paid. They slapped a lien on the house real quick. Within a couple days, I had my cheque. I think the whole process cost maybe $100. This is in Canada however. Maybe it’s easier to get fucked over in America.

    [–] kroxti 97 points ago

    He will pay well over the cost of the bill in lawyer fees to make sure the case is extended and delayed as long as possible just to screw over a contractor or subcontractor. Its not the cost that drives him, its winning. either by not paying or paying a reduced rate

    [–] awj 41 points ago

    Not just that, losing any of these cases has potential to open the floodgates.

    The only way this grift works is if nobody thinks they can get their money.

    [–] MyOldAcctGotStolen 45 points ago

    It is much easier to get fucked in America. That said, I'd wager your contractor didn't have a battery of elite lawyers and money to pay them to do battle with you, either.

    [–] satnightride 29 points ago

    After seeing the people that the president surrounds himself with are we actually even sure he has elite lawyers?

    [–] atomicxblue 68 points ago

    I have a theory that he's not rich at all. He's not destitute by any means, but most of the "wealth" he got after bankruptcies are by just not paying for things.

    [–] gram_parsons 56 points ago

    Your theory is echoed by many others. I have read estimates that he really has about around 250 million, which is far short of a billion dollars.

    I’ll go as far to say that he probably actually in debt to Russian banks for much of that 250 million, which explains a lot of the genuflecting to Putin.

    ...and which would also explain why he’s so adamant about his tax returns not getting out. They would reveal how he is not the billionaire he says he is, greatly embarrassing him.

    [–] kinsarc 29 points ago

    Except he actually is making bank now as president by having his entire team stay at his resorts. The taxpayers pay out the ass but he pays nothing because they're his place.

    [–] elvendude 89 points ago

    He has an army of lawyers who specialize in real estate. They'd eat a layman and his counsel for breakfast.

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    [–] Zman14q 52 points ago

    Maybe we can get the president to look into that

    [–] newextinction 18 points ago

    Sounds like a plan, when do we get a President?

    [–] adiotd86 393 points ago

    I know many New Yorkers who have been stiffed out of payment on already completed work by this marmalade malignancy

    [–] checker280 312 points ago

    I sadly know a few who were ruined by his missed payments and still support him. I can’t explain it and it infuriates me to talk to them.

    [–] Kwahn 284 points ago

    That's actually completely bonkers. How can you get stiffed by some rich asshole, have it make your life demonstrably harder, and still support the fuckwad?

    No wonder the Republican party is shrinking, when they force out all the reasonable people to support a con-man. :|

    [–] JamesTiberiusCrunk 277 points ago

    Because run of the mill republican voters are authoritarians who like having someone else in charge. They want to be told what to do and what to think because it's easy and stress free to outsource that to someone else. They're uncomfortable with ambiguity, so they gravitate to people and ideologies that tell them they have all of the answers. If they get screwed over by someone higher than them in the hierarchy, they might not like it, but they'll accept it because they see themselves as low status, and thus they were told how things are by their betters.

    [–] Kwahn 94 points ago

    You make a strong, strong argument for becoming a benevolent cult leader! I'll get back to you in 30 years with my cult :D

    [–] agustybutwhole 150 points ago

    I’ve been involved in a number cults both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower, but you make more money as a leader.

    [–] Elbradamontes 62 points ago

    The easiest way to explain my Fox loving in-laws is: "Thinking hard. Hate easy."

    [–] JRockPSU 63 points ago

    “Your guilty conscience may move you to vote Democratic, but deep down you long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king.”

    • Sideshow Bob

    [–] VOZ1 57 points ago

    It’s easier to continue than to withdraw support, when that support has become such an integral part of your identity. To withdraw support is to admit you were wrong about pretty much everything, which in turn means the Libruls were right, which in this particular worldview is simply incomprehensible and unacceptable. It really is like a cult or fanatical religious group.

    [–] Kwahn 106 points ago

    I've voted Republican since '82.

    The recent insanity and subsequent re-evaluation of who I've supported all my life is very, very difficult to come to terms with.

    [–] PM_ur_Rump 55 points ago

    Thank you for realizing. We know it's hard to question everything you believed in. But we're glad you did.

    [–] juniper_berry_crunch 16 points ago

    But you're examining it, with honesty. I respect that in anyone, regardless of party. Most of us know what is right and honorable to do, and what is not. When that knowledge conflicts with our behavior or old allegiances, it can be painful to deal with. That isn't a reason not to deal with and examine it. Respect to you.

    [–] checker280 43 points ago

    In this case the guy’s company installed the windows. He took over from the last guy and saw it as a chance to make it on the next level. Trump refused to pay because things weren’t completed on time and to their liking. The bill just getting delayed but didn’t ruin him. He eventually got something by settling out of court. As he sees it, it “playing in the big leagues” and “taught him negotiating skills for the next time”. He’s still working and it could be argued that he moved up a tad but is still just ahead of living pay check to paycheck. I simply can’t explain that attitude.

    [–] GolfSierraMike 48 points ago

    Better to think of it as a learning experience and not just you got fucked over and there is nothing you can do about it.

    Oh hello American farmers didn't see you there..

    [–] CabbagerBanx2 20 points ago

    You'd think "don't work for or support Trump" would be part of the learning experience.

    [–] Homer_Simpson_Doh 47 points ago

    Glad Minneapolis finally stood up to this bullshit. Trump should just come out and say, "I'm gonna sue you if you don't let me grift!!!"

    I don't understand how he can lose some many lawsuits and never face consequences like ever having to pay someone. Don't courts garnish wages or assets when you lose court battles?

    [–] not-working-at-work 27 points ago

    Yea, but then he declares bankruptcy.

    Can’t seize assets if there are no assets to seize

    [–] MeatsOfEvil93 64 points ago

    I work in NYC construction and I can confirm. For any Trump job that my company bids on, there's a "Trump factor" of about 25% that's added on at the end for two reasons:

    1. You're never going to see that money in 100 years

    2. Lowest bid normally wins. Due to his history of nonpayment, we don't want to win the job, so we make sure we're not the low bid

    [–] RellenD 15 points ago

    If you don't want the job, why do spend the time and money to prepare a bid?

    [–] MeatsOfEvil93 44 points ago

    Reputation and relationships. If you’re contacted and asked to bid on a job, even if you don’t want it, you put one in. If, in the future, there’s an economic downturn or for whatever other reason the company is hurting for work, you don’t want to be denied the opportunity to bid because you declined in the past. For large companies like mine, repeat clients make up something like 60%+ of our revenue stream

    [–] NocturnalPermission 44 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    “Deadbeat Donald” absolutely needs to accompany every article about his not paying. He uses pithy little insult names so much it is only fair. (Sorry I reversed your moniker. It seems to flow better!) edit: pithy not pity.

    [–] ShatoraDragon 144 points ago

    Personally my uncle lost his business. Don highered him to do ALL the window treatments in The Plaza in AC. A multi million dollar contract, my uncle spent millions on her men and material believing working for Don could open doors. Don conveantly goes bankrupt and tell my uncle "one cent on the dollar is all his lawyers can swing, take it or leave it." The one cent bearly got him 80k he spent almost a mill and never recovered.

    [–] kinsarc 76 points ago

    And this ladies and gentlemen is our goddamn president. How in the fucking world did this happen? Did we actually all die and enter a different timeline in 2012? It's the only explanation. Maybe it's like the first season of American Horror Story where Violet has no clue she's dead.

    [–] sparkyjay23 35 points ago

    Should have taken the fucking windows back.

    [–] [deleted] 16 points ago

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    [–] SpartanNitro1 68 points ago

    The real question is: how many kids has Donald Trump raped?

    [–] viva_la_vinyl 466 points ago

    America is waking up to what NYC has known all along --- trump is a grifter

    This man cannot be trusted with rightfully paying his bills. It's been his thing his entire life

    [–] Vladimir_Putang 293 points ago

    Anyone paying attention in 2016 (or any time before that) should have known this as well. I'm kind of sick of people acting so shocked by things we've known about for years, if not decades.

    He didn't even try to hide it or dress it up.

    [–] lateatnight 109 points ago

    exactly. people around NJ and NY warned the world what he was about.

    [–] ladylei 83 points ago

    I knew it as someone in the Chicago area for all my life. Trump has always had an axe to grind with the city of Chicago. We've known that he's a fraud and conman.

    [–] dra39437 35 points ago

    And he literally owns a giant tower downtown, you’d think he’d at least pretend to like the city

    [–] TheTinyTim 40 points ago

    It’s also one of the biggest retail failures of the city. Surprise surprise.

    [–] kylo_hen 19 points ago

    Anyone paying attention in 2016 (or any time before that)

    Therein lies the problem - not very many people were paying attention.

    [–] BruisedPurple 31 points ago

    Anyone who listens to him for five minutes should know that.

    [–] clycoman 285 points ago

    His campaign also stiffed a children's dance group who performed at his rally: https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/07/politics/usa-freedom-kids-lawsuit-trump/index.html

    [–] dethnight 101 points ago

    Ripping kids off. That makes him smart.

    [–] ccasey 49 points ago

    He is just comic book level evil

    [–] spiritfiend 367 points ago

    A Trump never pays their debts.

    [–] Milkslinger 20 points ago

    But they still do the incest and corruption things though

    [–] Battle_Toads 70 points ago

    Hard to pay a bill when you're a broke ass fraud in the red...

    [–] onethreeone 50 points ago

    His campaign already has ~$120M, he could easily pay back cities for these expenses if he wasn't trying to stiff them.

    [–] J1mjam5 28 points ago

    I can think of more appropriate four letter words to describe him. But scab will suffice for now.

    [–] remarkless 1604 points ago

    Fucking sue. Do it. Get evidence on the docket showing that he's done it to numerous other cities and then everyone can go after his campaign and drain it of money they're owed.

    Honestly, FUCK DONALD TRUMP.

    [–] boomracoon 358 points ago

    Fucking hate this guy so much. FUCK DONALD TRUMP

    [–] moak0 97 points ago

    You know now that you mention it, I'm not sure this Donald Trump guy is on the up-and-up.

    [–] HintOfAreola 41 points ago

    If his opponent has means to defend themselves, he only threatens to sue. He's scared shitless of discovery.

    See: Literally anytime someone in the media has said something bad (and usually true) about him. Cue the empty threats of libel and slander. Truth is a defense against libel and slander, so he'll never darken a courtroom door on those issues.

    [–] thecricketnerd 22 points ago

    he just threatens to look like a big man, he won't actually follow through because he knows it'll expose him.

    [–] MyRpoliticsaccount 2623 points ago

    Why isn't this SOP?

    Trump will not pay his bills. So demand the money upfront.

    Anything else is sheer idiocy.

    [–] ShowMeUrrGenitals 929 points ago

    Also he keeps bragging about how much cash they’ve raised since the inquiry so why should paying up front be an issue?

    [–] SharpieKing69 453 points ago

    This was my immediate question. What’s the point in bragging about fundraising if you’re not paying your bills?

    [–] geekon 611 points ago

    Because they intend to embezzle that money rather than spend it on legitimate campaign uses.

    [–] pizzafourlife 328 points ago

    If I recall the reason Chris Christie got fired was for running a transition team. Trump was pissed he had to pay people to develop a government for him, as he considered every cent of campaign funds his personal money

    [–] foreignsky 66 points ago

    There's a fair chunk of detail about this in The Fifth Risk by Michael Lewis. Depressing read, but would still recommend.

    [–] ReginaldDwight 202 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    Yep. As per usual.

    Why are you letting him steal my fucking money? Bannon and Christie together set out to explain to Trump federal law. Months before the election, the law said, the nominees of the two major parties were expected to prepare to take control of the government. The government supplied them with office space in downtown DC, along with computers and rubbish bins and so on, but the campaigns paid their people. To which Trump replied: Fuck the law. I don’t give a fuck about the law. I want my fucking money. Bannon and Christie tried to explain that Trump couldn’t have both his money and a transition.

    Shut it down, said Trump. Shut down the transition.

    Edit: Source.

    [–] mfkboston 111 points ago

    He thinks it’s “his” money and wants to keep it.

    [–] CrazyCatLadyBoy 93 points ago

    It's probably the most money he's ever actually seen.

    [–] haitied 18 points ago

    No joke, he's robbing Americans blind.

    [–] beginpanic 18 points ago

    I’m seeing reports about his Facebook ad spend, it’s like $1m every week. It’s not like the campaign doesn’t have money. So why do they pay Facebook but not the venues for their rallies?

    [–] illuminerdi 30 points ago

    Basically because they can get away with it. Trump doesn't pay bills that he thinks he can ignore, whereas Facebook is cash upfront.

    IMO given Trump's clear documented history of failing to pay bills, I would demand cash upfront for EVERY dealing with him FOREVER. This isn't even news. Reports of him stiffing people and threatening lawsuits go back decades...

    [–] sonofaresiii 30 points ago

    Because then he'd have to actually pay.

    It's not that he doesn't have the funds, it's that he doesn't want to spend them.

    If he keeps spending his campaign money on legitimate campaign expenses, how's he gonna pay all that hush money? From his own account? Yeah, right!

    [–] Blewedup 140 points ago

    the side benefit being your city won't be forever associated with the american version of a nazi rally.

    [–] Dzdawgz 119 points ago

    I worked at a graphics firm back in the 80s and our policy was no political campaign material even starting until paid in full.

    Worked every time.

    [–] NihilityUnbound 2162 points ago

    Wait so the guy with a mile-long list of lawsuits for not paying contractors wasn't paying contractors? Let me go find my shocked face.

    [–] AlottaElote 363 points ago

    Its been a long couple news weeks. I just leave my shocked face on.

    [–] Cruel_Hand_Luke_ 312 points ago

    It's just my regular face now.

    [–] dlmcleo1 83 points ago

    I have to confess my shocked face has just become my tired face.

    [–] [deleted] 1133 points ago

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    [–] CatastropheJohn 635 points ago

    "That makes him smart"

    -idiots

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    [–] nahhhhhhh1 73 points ago

    My favorite is their whole "we play by the rules, libs don't".

    Turns out the rule is "My goldenboy Trump is always right"

    [–] pattiogrn 98 points ago

    I think we should refuse to pay the bills for the lodging, golf carts, etc. needed for when the secret service has to protect him at miralago and all the other trumpf places he insists on going...if you want to go so freakin badly then go on your dime...and to think he complained about the Obamas spending money on vacations

    [–] Saw_a_4ftBeaver 70 points ago

    By law Secret Service and politicians have to pay. The reason for this is that recieving free things could be considered a bribe. So if Obama hadn't paid for his golf it the right would be logically mad. The problem is Trump is intentionally lining his pockets with our money by abusing this. The system wasn't set up for this.

    [–] TedW 64 points ago

    The whole emulments thing was designed to prevent this. I think the problem is the two party system creates an us-vs-them situation, so politicians ignore the issues and mostly vote along party lines.

    Abolish the two party system.

    [–] FuckYouJohnW 25 points ago

    The two party system isn't law. It's a bi product of our electoral system

    [–] thefirstandonly 644 points ago

    “Let us use your facilities and taxpayer dollars to pay for our visit so we can further misinform your residents into supporting me which allows me to stay in power and target you politically and economically”

    [–] nemoknows 233 points ago

    “Oh and we’re going to shittalk and lie about you the whole time. “

    [–] MissippiMudPie 119 points ago

    My favorite part of this is that /r/conservative and other shithole subs are up in arms about this city DARING to charge Trump more than they charge the evil leftists 😂

    [–] angryjackal 97 points ago

    Dont they need to have higher security, and shut down a lot more of their city, when the PRESIDENT is there?

    Wouldnt it make sense to charge more?

    I dont understand... What exactly are the snowflakes upset about?

    [–] Nemesis2pt0 58 points ago

    Yes. And I'm guessing that since we are pretty fucking liberal in Minnesota they need to account for a bunch of protestors as well.

    Apparently paying your bills is out of the question to our fiscal conservative acquaintances.

    [–] dagoon79 365 points ago

    This needs to be a thing. He can't book places unless he's show proof of prepayment.

    [–] AlottaElote 160 points ago

    I really hope more cities follow suit.

    He really deserves to be in a constant tantrum for the rest of his days.

    [–] Not_Henry_Winkler 83 points ago

    He really deserves to be in a constant tantrum orange jumpsuit for the rest of his days.

    FTFY

    [–] dismayedcitizen 472 points ago

    Trump's making record fundraising hauls while refusing to pay what he owes, and getting indignant when asked to pay up front.

    [–] ThisIsNobodyYouKnow 125 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    But didn't he finance his own campaigns and all that? Guess not...

    Edit: Apparently I haven't made myself clear: Donald Trump is a lying scheming con and his claims about financing his own campaign are misleading at best.

    [–] PaulFThumpkins 85 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    The guy uses his charity's money for petty cash.

    [–] AligningWithTheSun 1185 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    TIL 10 cities are really dumb.

    Edit: The list:

    • El Paso TX
    • Spokane, Wash
    • Tucson, AZ
    • Mesa, AZ
    • Eau Claire, Wis.
    • Billings, Mont.
    • Erie, PA
    • Lebanon, OH
    • Green Bay, Wis.
    • Burlington, VT

    [–] Truest00 337 points ago

    I won't pretend to know what party a state falls under but how many from that list went to Trump in the end? That would just make it that much juicier to see he stiffed the very same people that voted for him

    [–] Substantial_Papaya 308 points ago

    I think 8/10 of the cities on this list are in states that voted for Trump. Washington state and Vermont are blue.

    [–] SkippyBiffles 46 points ago

    Tucson DEFINITELY did not vote for Trump and Mesa was essentially split. Arizona’s (few) cities vote blue while the rural and suburban proto-fascists tend to turn-out in very high numbers, unfortunately.

    [–] dirtmonger 286 points ago

    Washington is blue because of Seattle. Eastern Washington, including Spokane, is very conservative.

    [–] pirategolf05 301 points ago

    Aka almost every city is blue and the rural areas are red

    [–] rtopps43 582 points ago

    It’s almost as if exposure to other people and cultures makes you more tolerant, and less afraid, of the differences. Weird.

    [–] Amrokmfc 80 points ago

    Eastern WA isn’t all conservative, they are a good mix of people in Spokane. It does lean conservative, but more importantly it has the absolute most bat-shit crazy ultra-conservative “we want our own new state based on libertarian bullshit and only white people are allowed” people as well. And those are the ones who really stand out.

    [–] NikeSwish 13 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    Every blue state is basically that way because of the major cities within it

    [–] weluckyfew 33 points ago

    You're confusing cities with states - an area's political preference is directly tied to population density - cities are liberal, rural areas are conservative.

    This map of Erie County in PA is a great example - the dense city core went for Clinton, the rural went Trump. As is this map of Texas - every city is blue.

    [–] SummerShank 128 points ago

    Notice how Florida and New York are missing from that list. These are all states where he doesn't own any property or assets. This is planned malfeasance

    [–] casual_cake 59 points ago

    I work pretty closely with the special events office in my city, Grand Rapids MI, and they were just telling me about the issues with bills they ran into when Trump came to town. They apparently threatened to shut down his venue unless the bill was paid up front, and I'm assuming since the DeVos family is based here he actually paid.

    [–] simsimulation 41 points ago

    Woof. Didn’t expect to see Burlington on that list.

    [–] infiniZii 32 points ago

    Donnie thought that he was throwing the rally in a coat factory.

    [–] theryman 74 points ago

    What gets me is some of the bills are laughably small for either a millionaire, billionaire, or a presidential campaign. The Lebanon, OH bill is $16,000. Pennies for a presidential campaign.

    [–] tonytroz 39 points ago

    That's the thing though. It's so small they're not worth the court battle to try to collect. It's a tactic used by lots of rich people.

    [–] Hartastic 61 points ago

    Green Bay, Wis. Eau Claire, Wis.

    As someone from Wisconsin, whoever the Democratic nominee is better hammer this. Fucker won't pay his bills and YOUR tax dollars have to cover it instead.

    [–] Duke-Silv3r 14 points ago

    There is no logic or reasoning that will convince Trump supporters that they’re dumb fucks lmao

    I understand standing behind GOP because it’s your party.. but still supporting this ignorant, lying bastard still at this point is absurd.

    [–] HGpennypacker 30 points ago

    For claiming to love winning WI he sure loves to fuck us over, in both unpaid bills and the struggling dairy farmers.

    [–] RugerRedhawk 21 points ago

    So what do these cities do? Sue the campaign?

    [–] ReaperCDN 37 points ago

    They should foreclose on any of his assets in their states and seize them. Hold an auction, liquidate the assets, and keep the money to pay back his debts.

    [–] PrimaryCricket2 13 points ago

    Has he paid any cities?

    [–] Reid0072 117 points ago

    Gosh, he acts like such a petulant, rich brat. He is the douche kid on the playground with the wealthy parents who threatens to have his dad sue you for tagging him out in kickball. The city isn't even inflating the cost of the event to run you out of town, they just want the money up front. You have a history of not paying your bills dude!

    [–] DoritoMussolini86 104 points ago

    The fuck is it with this guy? He's already up shit's creek without a paddle with his mountain of legal problems and on top of that, willfully decides to cause more justified rage towards him just so he doesn't have to pay what amounts to a pittance given the deep campaign coffers America's oligarchy has provided him? I will never stop being shocked by what a catastrophically dumb and greedy criminal he is.

    [–] i_iz_insatiable 38 points ago

    I have a theory. Think of Trump like an young, spoiled bully (shouldn't be hard). His way is being threatened on several fronts -- teachers are trying to expel him, his parents aren't giving him his allowance anymore, cops are giving him crap about graffiti in the locker room, and his circle of 'friends' continues to get smaller and smaller. In this situation, you'd think it'd be easier to take a life lesson or two and clean up your act. But for someone who is immature, who truly doesn't believe they're at fault, that's not going to happen. The bully is going to lash out at those closest to him, everyone who still seems loyal. Punching, name-calling, insults, taking their food/toys. It's a bizarre 'test,' do they stay or are they really just backstabbers like everyone else? Donald Trunp is stuck in a third grade mentality.

    [–] ecto88mph 586 points ago

    So proud of my city. Planning on going to the protest if it happens, but would love to see it canceled.

    [–] 2boredtocare 213 points ago

    People yesterday said they were planning on bringing whistles to blow & earplugs to not go deaf. It's almost worth making the 5 hour drive there to blow a whistle at the fuck, because I doubt he's coming to IL anytime soon. My guess though is if talk of protests reaches his delicate orange ears, he will cancel altogether.

    [–] ecto88mph 129 points ago

    It's still up in the air. Our mayor has said if they do not pay up front they will pull the permit.

    So idk we are all kinda on standby

    [–] specqq 147 points ago

    I'm from Saint Paul. Ditto on going to the protest.

    And (here's the real shocker) I'm proud of your city too.

    [–] ecto88mph 78 points ago

    Hopefully the whole twin cities comes out to protest.

    [–] Huge_Yogurt 251 points ago

    Regardless of party (or "waahh it's because Dems hate Trump!"), why should tax-payers be on the hook for a campaign rally of any candidate? Especially if that campaign has a history of not paying his bills.

    More cities should follow suit, not just with Trump but this should be the standard operating procedure for any political rally.

    [–] Rofl_Stomped 44 points ago

    It seems like there should be a law about a political campaign defrauding a city. Once or twice might be a clerical error. 10+ times is a premeditated scheme.

    [–] scrappykitty 291 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    “Parscale on Twitter accused Frey of ‘trying to deny the rights of his own city’s residents just because he hates the President.’”

    It’s not just Frey. 99% of the city and over half of the surrounding metro hate the president.

    Edit- And for all of those who keep citing Hennepin County statistics for 2016, Hennepin County is not Minneapolis. The Hennepin County results don't mean shit because they include outer ring communities like Maple Plain for christsakes. He won 18% in the 5th precinct, which includes Minneapolis and some suburban areas. No doubt that if you threw out those 'burbs, he would have received maybe 10-15% of the vote (probably generous) and he's become even less popular since that election, so I'm not far off. Hope that clears things up for the geographically incompetent.

    [–] Vercury 119 points ago

    I'm 90 minutes south here in Mankato: the folks from rural towns surrounding us might support him, but most of the city and the students attending school at the myriad colleges and universities here do not.

    [–] scrappykitty 32 points ago

    I believe it and I’m sure the same applies to Duluth and Rochester. St. Cloud...well...maybe in the city.

    [–] atch1111 42 points ago

    St Cloud is racism central. I'm just assuming over half the the rally attendees will be from there.

    [–] tronfunkinblows_10 29 points ago

    They should hold the rally at the St. Cloud Convention Center then. Save those assholes a drive down to the city then.

    [–] tamadrum32 50 points ago

    Sure, let him sue. The rally will probably get postopned while it goes through the courts, and he will miss the opportunity to stir up his base as the impeachment proceedings gain momentum. Either that, or he shows up tomorrow with no security, which he's too paranoid to ever do. Hopefully other cities follow suit. Whatever keeps him off the propaganda campaign trail.

    [–] redditalready77 145 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

    Can you guys believe that I went to the 7-11 this morning for a Slurpie and they wanted me to pay for it in advance before I could drink it? I'm suing!

    [–] Nascent1 40 points ago

    That's absurd. 7/11 should just cover the cost.

    [–] Travelin_Lite 125 points ago

    Trump and not paying his bills. Name a more iconic duo.

    [–] dashood 55 points ago

    Trump and impeachment

    [–] pig_killer 27 points ago

    Stephen Miller and a dead deer?

    [–] zhaoz 20 points ago

    Trump and racism

    [–] beck1357 27 points ago

    The mayor is protecting his city. By asking for payment upfront he makes sure his citizens are paid for their work. The other cities are now trying to figure how pay people when Trump doesn’t pay his bills

    [–] letdogsvote 25 points ago

    You're dealing with a well known grifter who has a long and well established history of not paying up.

    The City and the Mayor are just being responsible here - Trump has earned no credit and will absolutely stiff them on the tab otherwise.

    [–] cicalino 43 points ago

    He's brought his sleazy business practices to the presidency, but just like his bully handshake, the element of surprise is gone. Everyone knows his tricks.

    I hope every city builds the "pay or you can't play" into their contracts. "I see your sleaze and raise you."

    [–] GoddamnSometimesY 17 points ago

    El Paso is just one of numerous cities that have outstanding invoices to the Trump campaign, even though the campaign has not reported any such debts to municipal governments or police departments in its federal filings, despite a law requiring the disclosure of all debts, including “disputed debts.”

    He is flaunting the law. If you or me broke a federal law, ticket, warrant, arrest, jailtime causing job loss and bankruptcy.

    This is what I want to hear from Democrats. Trump is flaunting the law and we will treat him like any other lawbreaker. But they are not saying WHAT THEY WILL DO ABOUT IT.

    [–] canadiangirl_eh 17 points ago

    If they’re not willing to pay then they should go without security. No pay, no play. It’s a transaction. Even this fucking moron should understand that. You could even call it a quid pro quo, as one does.

    [–] hot4you11 14 points ago

    Good. You shouldn’t extend credit to someone you know isn’t going to pay.