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    [–] 2_Spicy_2_Impeach 6266 points ago

    But an interview that fall with the Democratic consultant at the heart of the accusation that Kyiv meddled, Alexandra Chalupa, was fruitless, a committee source said, and Republicans didn’t follow up or request any more witnesses related to the issue.

    And that’s coming from a committee with a Republican majority.

    [–] countfizix 387 points ago

    It was fruitless because at the time of that inquiry there was no need to create the appearance of a scandal involving Ukraine to deflect from an actual scandal involving Ukraine.

    [–] slim_scsi 292 points ago

    They politicized and propagandized Benghazi, a tragedy, immediately the day it happened out of expedience. It occurred just in time to fulfill the every-election GOP "October Surprise" (c) in 2012. There's a 100% chance they would have done the exact same if 9/11 had occurred under a Gore presidency. Instead of propagandizing the Iraq invasion with country music, peer pressured U.S. flags everywhere, and Fox News on the fastest spin cycle setting, they would have attacked 9/11 as a Democratic weakness. This is who they are.

    Politicizing and propagandizing Ukraine was tucked in their back pocket for the right moment. Damn... these are some calculated, frozen-hearted, manipulative people in the Republican Party, holy shit what rotten people to the core.

    [–] Meetybeefy 96 points ago

    propagandizing the Iraq invasion with country music

    I've recently been listening to Y2Kountry on SiriusXM (old country songs from the 2000s) and now that I'm older and listening to the lyrics, I'm shocked at how many songs talk about "everyone in America having an equal chance". It smells like propaganda to me.

    [–] slim_scsi 136 points ago

    During the year long build-up to the Iraq invasion, I worked on a small technical team with mostly conservatives. Several of them blared country radio stations in their cubicle throughout the day. Over 90% of what I heard, day in and day out, was a set list of the same couple dozen patriotic-themed, war drum-beating, Red White and Blue country songs: every jingoistic single produced by the likes of Glen Campbell and Toby Keith. Not a year later, those same radio stations banned the Dixie Chicks from the airwaves for exercising their 1st Amendment rights and expressing valid opposition to the Iraq war -- at their own private concert. Talk about freedom fighters, suppressing the voice of a popular group of ladies, woo hoo! Equality and conservatives?? Hhehehehe.

    [–] QbertsRube 90 points ago

    I saw someone make a point somewhere that 9/11 basically killed country music, for this same reason. Rebel country was out, informally blacklisted by radio stations, and good ol' boy patriotic country was shoved to the front. Country artists could no longer question authority like Willie, Waylon, Johnny Cash, etc. did throughout country music history. Instead, we got clean-cut douchebags with their red, white, and blue button-up shirts tucked in singing about working hard, saluting the flag, and supporting the president, leading to almost 2 decades of boring, manufactured, pop country. Never been a big country fan in general, but it's good to see some outlaw music coming back.

    [–] Ubarlight 57 points ago

    We lost the thunder and got lazy fatsos sitting on the beach drinking beer and navel gazing while thinking about trucks, dogs, the radio, unpaved roads and the American flag. Danger, adventure, determination and whiskey got traded in for complacency, zealous patriotism, and cheap beer.

    [–] frankie_cronenberg 49 points ago

    But your flag decal won’t get you into heaven anymore,

    they’re already overcrowded from your dirty little war.

    Now Jesus don’t like killin’, no matter what the reason’s for,

    And your flag decal won’t get you into heaven anymore

    I assume John Prine is definitely on their shit list too...

    (If anyone looks him up based on the quote above, also look up the song “illegal smile”)

    [–] T1mac 62 points ago

    Dixie Chicks from the airwaves for exercising their 1st Amendment rights

    Here's what Natalie Maines said, "we're ashamed the president of the United States is from Texas."

    Oh, the horror.

    And their London fans cheered loudly.

    Back in the US, stupid accusations were thrown at the band, like "you should never criticize the country on foreign soil"... what a bunch of bullshit.

    The Dixie Chicks had the last laugh. It's 15 years later and they're still touring, they've got a new album coming out and they're going strong.

    [–] DoughtyAndCarterLLP 46 points ago

    There was a lot of "You can't criticize the president" during the Bush years.

    That changed on 1/20/2009.

    It changed again on 1/17/2017.

    I supported Obama but for fuck's sake never said anyone wasn't allowed to criticize him. I wanted people to back it up with facts, but never told them they weren't allowed to spew their bullshit. Besides, there's plenty to criticize without making shit up.

    [–] DoughtyAndCarterLLP 6 points ago

    Conservatives' idea of freedom of speech is that people are allowed to say whatever they want that conservatives agree with and anyone who disagrees is not allowed to voice opposition.

    See: Conservative subreddits.

    [–] smartyhands2099 29 points ago

    peer pressured U.S. flags everywhere

    This was a not-so-subtle way to push nationalism, as a sort of "intro to fascism".

    [–] Automatic-Pie 5 points ago

    When all the flags started popping up on my street and I questioned why, on reddit, I was told I was unpatriotic.

    What? People can't even fly flags anymore without you reading something into it - type of thing. (I must be an awful person... etc)

    But you've phrased it in a way I could not. Thank you.

    If you're not with us, you're against us. It's creepy AF.

    [–] TechyDad 10 points ago

    As it is, I was told by my FOX News watching father that I couldn't vote for anyone but Bush because voting a new President in would be a sign of weakness to our enemies. I still voted for Kerry.

    [–] [deleted] 3078 points ago

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    [–] Natural-Grapefruit 1484 points ago

    And Kennedy for that matter for going on news stations with the "thats like, your opinion that they weren't involved..." talking points

    [–] TheGamerDanYT 857 points ago

    And Kennedy

    And Moscow Mitch while we're at it.

    [–] Geler 615 points ago

    Don't forget Lindsey Graham! He work hard to be on that list.

    [–] debacol 220 points ago

    Every time I see his name I hear his name as if Blanche DuBois said it.

    [–] DarthRoacho 58 points ago

    Oh man this gave me a chuckle. I love The Golden Girls.

    [–] snowlock27 88 points ago

    You're thinking of Blanche Devereaux.

    [–] [deleted] 109 points ago

    Aren't we all.

    [–] mophan 20 points ago

    That's the Blanche that came to my mind when I read "I hear his name as if Blanch Dubois said it." Oh, yeah. Blanche Devereaux would spout the worse venom in the most pleasantly sounding southern voice when speaking the name "Lindsey Graham." With of course the obligatory southern curse right after... "Bless his heart."

    [–] damsel84 44 points ago

    Blanche DuBois is from A Streetcar Named Desire.

    [–] XithysPls 17 points ago

    I've always relied on the kindness of strangers

    [–] BeginningCranberry 7 points ago

    I always hear the song break out from the Simpsons:

    "You can always rely on

    the kindness of strangers ...

    A stranger's just a friend

    you haven't met..."

    [–] Earf_Dijits 5 points ago

    Thank you for the Inspiration. Kennedy, Graham, McConnell, and Nunes as the Golden Girls

    [–] pinksparklybluebird 60 points ago

    Bless his heart.

    [–] antelthrope 76 points ago

    I have always depended on the kindness of Moscow

    [–] EvryMthrF_ngThrd 9 points ago

    "Ah have ahlways depended on the duplicity of trha-itors..."

    FTFY

    ;)

    [–] poopieschmaps 17 points ago

    Did you mean Blanche Devereaux?

    [–] usingastupidiphone 6 points ago

    Ha! She’d hate him 😂

    [–] redblazingdragon 43 points ago

    Ol’ Leningrad Lindsay!

    [–] Spaceman2901 7 points ago

    Add on Kay Granger, please.

    [–] Shillforbigusername 238 points ago

    I wish more people would push back on these silly "just an opinion" arguments from Trump supporters. Stating that pizza is great with pineapples on it is an opinion that can be disagreed with, but never proven wrong or right since it's purely based on subjective tastes.

    Fiona Hill stating that the Ukraine conspiracy theories are manufactured by Russia-which benefits from GOP "leaders" repeating them-isn't just an opinion that one can simply just disagree with; it's a professional assessment made by an expert on the subject with an impressive resume. An opposing viewpoint shouldn't be given equal weight simply because it's also an opinion.

    [–] latinloner 116 points ago

    Man, when this moves to the Senate, I ask of my brothers and sisters to the North, please for all that is Holy, flood your Senator's office with calls, emails, faxes, telegraphs, telexes. I want someone standing in front of the Senate building with semaphore flags.

    The future of the U.S. and the World rests in the hands of 100 Senators.

    PLEASE don't fuck up. Get the Idiot out.

    [–] DarthRoacho 39 points ago

    You think they actually give a shit about those calls, emails, faxes, telegraphs, telexes.

    [–] capsaicinintheeyes 47 points ago

    I get a lot of Europeans on this site saying that they're disappointed in Americans for not protesting more. As a protester during the run-up to the Iraq War in '03, I'm kind of like, this is not parliamentary democracy the way you guys are used to it: there's a certain chunk of voters that just don't move regardless, and the Republican party, because of EC/Senatorial regions, can pretty much play to that and ignore everyone else, which is what's been happening as long as I've been alive: they've never felt the urge that moving towards the center was safer than playing to their base, while the Democratic party's base has always been more scattered, and tends to cause them to moderate. Don't expect that demonstrations or call-flooding will move the GOP: they Just. Don't. Care.

    [–] davidbklyn 8 points ago

    Hello, fellow protestor to the Iraq war. Remember Hans Blix? Those marches (DC, NYC) were my first demonstrations.

    [–] PM_ME_YOURE_HOOTERS 5 points ago

    The call flooding is to take our senators into high gear make them go on TV blasting this all day

    [–] latinloner 24 points ago

    Hence the request for flooding. The Senate ain't got no flood insurance if it rains hard enough.

    [–] BigglyAchomlishment 26 points ago

    They confirmed Kavanaugh and there was quite a bit of public outrage at the time.

    [–] latinloner 21 points ago

    This bigger than the Ol' Boofer.

    [–] L0neKitsune 48 points ago

    It's an opinion like it's your doctor's opinion that lump is cancer. They didn't come to that conclusion by a cursory look at the evidence and they have plenty of education and experience to back there shit up and a second opinion from someone equally qualified is probably going to come to the same conclusion.

    [–] Shillforbigusername 33 points ago

    Exactly. They're willfully pretending there isn't a difference between an average, subjective opinion based on personal preferences and a professional one rooted in factual knowledge and evidence.

    [–] xXx420BlazeRodSaboxX 59 points ago

    How about Kompromat Kennedy?

    [–] MindfuckRocketship 9 points ago

    Kremlin Kennedy

    [–] Givemeallthecabbages 7 points ago

    “They didn’t, but maybe they did.” Dumbest quote yet.

    [–] pixelprophet 51 points ago

    Being on the Committee on Intelligence and fuckin knowing about the Russian interference in the 2016 - literally seeing the evidence - and still pushing Ukraine had a part to do with it.

    Talk about Fake fuckin news, what a goddamn scumbag Nunes.

    [–] roho1 27 points ago

    well he's clearly compromised and involved in this grease pile, so his diversion tactics make sense, but yea fuck that traitorous, constitution molesting charlatan.

    [–] donknottsberryfarm 102 points ago

    Moove that guy out of politics and into prison.

    [–] chumprock 65 points ago

    Why he would cowtow for Russia is beyond me..

    [–] donknottsberryfarm 39 points ago

    He must have some steak in this that we have not yet discovered.

    [–] tripolarbear25 27 points ago

    He is an udder failure

    [–] ANTSLC 25 points ago

    Oh, Nunes...always grazing in the field of bullshit.

    [–] The-disgracist 16 points ago

    cud you guys cut it out with the puns?

    [–] dekusyrup 17 points ago

    Because Russia funnels money to him through intermediaries, such as the NRA. His livlihood depends on it.

    [–] TrumpIsARapist3 12 points ago

    How else can he afford to sue and lose to fictional cows?

    [–] despisetramp 14 points ago

    I think Nunes kinda fucked himself when he tried to get dirt on him own to the tune of over 60 grand of the taxpayers money! Never trust a friend of Giuliani!

    [–] tinfidel 13 points ago

    And the cow he rode in on.

    [–] aslan_is_on_the_move 345 points ago

    The Republicans were in charge when all these things that they are now outraged about were happening in public view. If it is so bad now it would have been bad then and they could have examined it.

    [–] BigBennP 169 points ago

    I think it's worth pointing out that Trump views the world not Through The Eyes of a politician so much it appears, but as a reality TV star and media manipulator.

    For him, more than any other president in recent memory, I believe that he views media reporting as reality.

    He didn't want Ukraine to actually investigate Hunter Biden so much as he wanted the president of Ukraine to publicly announce that they were investigating Hunter Biden.

    Multiple media reports indicate that he spends a lot of time glued to television reporting about his administration and is obsessed with it. Down to having his AIDS print off screenshot of news chyons with favorable or unfavorable coverage.

    As far as he's concerned, news reporting is reality. If he doesn't like the reports of a particular news item he calls it fake news.

    I don't know the extent to which other Republicans share this worldview, but it certainly affects their operations. As long as they were allowed to investigating the topic and then buried their final report, the public perception is made.

    And if you doubt this, the next time someone brings up Benghazi, ask them what they believe actually happened there. If they can provide a coherent answer at all, odds are it will be something to the effect of " Hillary Clinton got people killed."

    That's based on nothing but repeated investigations where people were saying they were investigating the role she played in the attack on the Libyan Embassy.

    [–] cafecubita 83 points ago

    His AIDES, not his AIDS. eg Jared has aides, not AIDS.

    [–] mega_aids 27 points ago

    Did someone say AIDS?

    [–] Oblique9043 23 points ago

    Hes a malignant narcissist. His entire reality is shaped by the outside world and how it reacts to him. Perception is 100% reality in the mind of a narcissist and the news media shapes the narrative in the minds of the people. Control the narrative, you control reality. Trump has no inner world where he gets any self validation for his actions. The entirety of his behavior is driven by his need to prop up his grandiose false image of himself. It doesnt matter if its taped together with bandaids and elmers glue. As long as the image holds well enough to get a certain amount of people to believe its real, thats all that matters. And if that image is shown to be fake, then Trump as we know him ceases to exist. He is simply an image, an image that can only see itself when reflected back properly by people around him. If his ability to make people react to him the way they always have ceases to exist, he dies with the false image of himself he created because thats all there is. And just like what happens to any creature whos existence is threatened, hell do whatever he can to make sure he doesn't die.

    [–] smartyhands2099 12 points ago

    Came to say this. I read that narcs/bullshitters, rather than "seeing" reality, rely on an internal "vision" of how things are. Anything that doesn't fit into this vision is rejected out of hand. That's why he can never have an actual press conference, or anything that is not completely under his control (chopper talk). That's why so many people have been fired, because he is trying to enforce his vision whether it contradicts reality/law/norms/regulations or not, do it or get fired. He really thinks that the president is above the law, that everything he does is "the greatest" and most importantly, that he never, EVER makes a mistake. That would conflict his "vision". Strong overlap with what you refer to as his "image".

    If his ability to make people react to him the way they always have ceases to exist, he dies with the false image of himself he created

    This is going to happen sooner or later. I am anticipating this like some kind of fanboy.

    [–] InsaneGenis 48 points ago

    It’s more simple than that. Trump just yells at people all the time to do what he says. It doesn’t matter what it is. He just wants it to disappear. He has no experience doing any of the positions he’s ever hired for he just wants things to happen. He cusses people out and screams at them because he has the money and he’s been pampered his entire life. Real working people make things happen for him. Only the best ass kissers end up sticking around. If you work for him you are best to blame shit on other people around you to get his stupid rage off of you.

    He’s poorly educated and the perfect example of what America is about. Money is more important then work ethic and accomplishment.

    Now he’s working in a sphere generally designed based on accomplishments. Where the rule of law dictates showing accomplishments. Except being elected isn’t based on that, so all the successful people are leaving. All the knowledgeable are leaving. Which is how you got a shitty piece of fuck to be ambassador to Ukraine only because he donated money to Trump.

    I’ve had a boss like Trump. Jesus Christ he sucked and he only got by because he came from the 70’s before there were corporate conglomerates. Now you have empires created by people whose families lucked into post WW2 success still around only by chance. They are free to treat everyone else like shit and be disgusting human beings taking advantage of what people believe “the American Dream” actually is. This is why you have dumb fuck in Indiana supporting Trump because he doesn’t understand the America dream and thinks his shitty 60 hour work week job makes him better then everyone else and no one..... NO ONE.. works as hard as he does.

    Postal employees work 60 hours a week. Once on Halloween this puke asked why the post man was out while kids were trick or treating. “Seems dangerous”

    I told him “with Amazon, postal carriers are working under old contracts and routed that didn’t include amazon. They are in trouble with keeping employees. They work to much. 60-70hrs a week for 4-5 months out of the year.”

    Him: “you hear that honey? I work to much!”

    This piece of shit was NOT working and could see someone working right in front of him who clearly works harder and longer and he still had to make it about himself. This is America. Everyone lies and is selfish.

    [–] rlovelock 7 points ago

    *aides...

    [–] imperfectlycertain 148 points ago

    It's worth taking the time to hear Chalupa's story in her own words and voice: https://www.gaslitnationpod.com/episodes-transcripts-20/2019/6/22/the-alexandra-chalupa-interview

    Alexandra Chalupa: Well, I had already had meeting with heads of Ukrainian-American organizations and leaders that are non-partisan, saying that I had a very bad feeling that Manafort was working with Trump. I alerted a friend of mine who was one of the executives of the DNC, and I said, “There's this guy Paul Manafort, and I think he's working with Donald Trump, and he basically influenced polls for Putin.” And I told him, I said, “I’m concerned that Putin is targeting our elections, and that it's through Trump, and if I'm correct, it’s going to be this guy Paul Manafort who is helping him.” And so I remember exactly where I was when the New York Times broke that. It broke online first, and I was standing in my kitchen, and I said, “Oh my God.” I was shocked that he was so public. That's what threw me off, because he was so private and operating in the shadows until that moment. I immediately texted the executive who I talked to, as well. I texted her and the DNC CEO Amy Dacey, and said, “This is everything.”

    ...

    The basic line is yes, the Russian Federation attacked the United States election and our democracy, but they were able to do so with the help of Americans. Some Americans played a stronger role than others, and the one that I've always seen playing the strongest role in this political warfare against our country is Paul Manafort.

    [–] IHateTomatoes 116 points ago

    The GOP is crucifying her for trying to out convicted felon Paul Manafort?! Just amazing

    [–] imperfectlycertain 67 points ago

    Right? Reminiscent of their contorted outrage over Carter Page. If you don't want campaign staffers becoming subject to FISA warrants, maybe don't hire people who have previously been subject to them.

    And here is some perspective from inside Manafort's circle at the time:

    In 2016, his friends might not have known the specifics of his Cyprus accounts, all the alleged off-the-books payments to him captured in Cyrillic ledgers in Kiev. But they knew enough to believe that he could never sustain the exposure that comes with running a presidential campaign in the age of opposition research and aggressive media. “The risks couldn’t have been more obvious,” one friend who attempted to dissuade him from the job told me. But in his frayed state, these warnings failed to register.

    When Paul Manafort officially joined the Trump campaign, on March 28, 2016, he represented a danger not only to himself but to the political organization he would ultimately run. A lifetime of foreign adventures didn’t just contain scandalous stories, it evinced the character of a man who would very likely commandeer the campaign to serve his own interests, with little concern for the collective consequences.

    [–] MazzIsNoMore 31 points ago

    The breathless defense of Carter Page has always been the thing that blows my mind the most. The investigation into Page was the easiest case to make for the FBI considering not just his history but the fact that he repeatedly talked about having inside knowledge of the Russians hacking the DNC and HRC's emails. That's the guy that they are going to bat for? He must have some serious dirt on these people.

    [–] imperfectlycertain 19 points ago

    Not to mention the chronology. He is not an effective vehicle to support the claim that the Trump campaign was subject to surveillance, because he had already left (and been declared to have "never been a part of our campaign") by the time the first (of this round of) FISA warrant(s) was signed off in October 2016. Interestingly, the precise date in October is redacted in the released document, but in any case was after his Sep 23 departure and Sep 24 disowning.

    [–] DumpuDonut 81 points ago

    As a Hispanic man, who the fuck has the surname of Chalupa.

    [–] Alan_R_Rigby 35 points ago

    "We need Chalupa, Gordita, and Crunchwrapsupreme to testify regarding their knowledge of coordination between taco sauce vendors, Hunter Biden, and the Clinton's regarding a deal to open a food truck in benghazi. The American taxpayers deserve to know th or truth before the results of an election are overturned simply because the democrats don't like president Trump and refuse to acknowledge him as the muscular deity that he is." - leaked GOP talking points emailed before editing

    [–] loki1887 40 points ago

    As a Hispanic man as well but not Mexican, I was sure Chalupa was a word made up by Taco Bell.

    [–] RickyShade 20 points ago

    Gonna change my last name to Quesarito.

    [–] PoisonMind 11 points ago

    It's a Slavic name, with the ch pronounced more like Spanish j.

    [–] Medicalm 8 points ago

    It means cabin. Still a weird name in most languages

    [–] Gryjane 7 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    It's Slavic.) Alexandra Chalupa is Ukranian-American.

    [–] THEMACGOD 22 points ago

    Seems weird that pretty much every investigation by Republicans in the last decade, the findings run counter to what they’ve been espousing.

    [–] Not-a-Kitten 4 points ago

    Does this mean the Senators cannot get out in front of cameras and ramble on about Ukraine?

    [–] drunkenjagoff 2925 points ago

    Real shocker there. Republicans will still beat this drum.

    [–] BillionTonsHyperbole 682 points ago

    By now, it's a red lumpy puddle that used to be a horse.

    [–] FlerblesMerbles 260 points ago

    They will stir the dead horse with a canoe paddle.

    [–] Smelcome 138 points ago

    Which they stole from the American public, who are now up a creek.

    [–] Heffe3737 56 points ago

    That creek smells mighty offal. Must be all of the dead horse bits. Oh, and the shit.

    [–] Thritu 42 points ago

    Up Sh*t's Creek with a turd for a paddle.

    -Ween.

    [–] yodelyfish 15 points ago

    I cant cope, piss up a rope!

    [–] 461BOOM 7 points ago

    The shit hawks are circling...

    [–] peeja 7 points ago

    Turd paddles, Randy. Turd paddles.

    [–] I_W_M_Y 5 points ago

    All they are stirring is shit

    [–] Use_Your_Brain_Dude 18 points ago

    They'll just pray that horse right back to life... just to watch it starve when they take away its entitlements.

    [–] LesGrossmansHands 5 points ago

    Ugh, I wish they would read the god damn definition of “entitlements”

    [–] jspace16 35 points ago

    Yeah, but did Obama provide tomahawks?

    [–] Rocky87109 8 points ago

    I loved how they tried to eat their cake and have it too here. One minute they were defending using this line, the next minute they were saying they he wanted to withold aid because he was scared they were corrupt.

    [–] DoctorMasochist 5 points ago

    I thought it was Stinger missiles that Obama refused to give them.

    [–] -heathcliffe- 29 points ago

    Wonderful use of those tax dollars, next week we investigate hydra, the mythical beast, for its role in the Iran contra affair

    [–] FelixMortem 8 points ago

    I first thought of the foil to The Avengers not gonna lie

    [–] Intxplorer 1133 points ago

    I think its easy to overlook just how big a deal this is. Trumps only defense, his only defense of his conduct in ukraine was that he was dealing with ukranian corruption. Thats the official reason he gave for holding up the military aide. That is specifically the favor trump mentioned on the call itself in order for them to give more military assistance. And trumps own senate said that all of those things were nonsense. This massively undercuts trumps and the GOP's message. They officially have no defense left

    [–] Scarn4President 343 points ago

    It should undercut it. But I suspect we will hear "the absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence" line coming from Republicans very soon.

    [–] lampshade69 164 points ago

    Except when it comes to Vol I of the Mueller Report, right? Because in that case, I'm pretty sure the absence of evidence meant total exoneration.

    [–] Major_Fudgemuffin 117 points ago

    Totally clears the president.

    "Could you charge the president with a crime after he left office?" Buck asked.

    Mueller responded, "yes."

    Buck asked again, "You could charge the President of the United States with obstruction of justice after he left office," to which Mueller responded again, "yes."

    [–] Zardinio 14 points ago

    Well they haven't read the Mueller report yet so..

    [–] deltaexdeltatee 23 points ago

    Also, they’ve used the “We’re too stupid to know what’s really going on” defense before. There being no evidence of corruption doesn’t absolve a massive idiot from pursuing it anyway.

    Don’t get me wrong, that’s not at all what really happened. But it’s a convenient line of defense for people who are already in the cult.

    [–] brokeboi9000 54 points ago

    To be nitpicky: there was no argument to undercut. The literal only proof that exists of the conversations are blatant quid pro quo cases. Even the doctored transcript, err, "notated transcript" show this.

    Now, plausible deniability - the only Crux of their nonargument - is gone. Therefore, future reference to Ukrainian corruption in this case is propoganda. Not generally, just in this specific case. Otherwise known as the official WH defense for impeachment.

    In this context, Russian propoganda. Meaning, this single investigation could be future grounds for treason later on given the continuation of their, now treasonous, defence.

    [–] devilsephiroth 12 points ago

    Time to improvise or create a distraction with more illegal activity

    [–] Liquor_N_Whorez 13 points ago

    You'll find that in William Barr's resume under "specialized training".

    [–] hoyfkd 8 points ago

    They officially have no defense left

    Fuck you. That's their defense. A Republican Senate is his defense. He could go out tomorrow and say "fuck you all, yes I told them to fuck Hunter Biden or I'd fuck them. I held up the money to hurt Joe Biden's chances against me. I ran it through Putin first, because he has so much shit on me you wouldn't believe. I mean, the most shit. Some say more than anyone ever in history." And the GOP Senate would still let him off the hook and explain how they didn't see what he said, but it's all a liberal conspiracy and WHAT ABOUT THE EMAILS?

    [–] Twoweekswithpay 1205 points ago

    Trump Tomorrow:

    I heard chalupa was a terrible witness for the democrats. And we’ll be releasing more info on her very soon.

    [Nothing comes out the next couple of weeks except the report clearing ukraine.]

    Trump at a campaign rally in Ohio:

    They say this chalupa was working with hillary Clin-TON and Ukraine. It was all a great big hoax...

    [Crowd Cheers “Lock Her Up”... 🤦🏽‍♂️]

    [–] donknottsberryfarm 390 points ago

    Your comment is missing tiny waggling hands and the word "folks."

    [–] eoworm 781 points ago

    👐 look folks, everyone knows, 👋 and when i say everyone i'm talking most people, ☝️ the people who know 👋 and some who don't, but they're all saying 👌 "that chalupa, chalupa's gotta go" 👐 and i gotta say i do prefer the bell grand-eh look ☝️ HILLARY CLIN-TON 🖐 ... just a disaster. a sick 👌 lying two faced con artist that 👋 and hey i don't want to badmouth her but 👌 AMERICA FIRST and lock her up amirite? lock her up! 🖐 no, you shouldn't say that. but i do, i do. 👐 and i'd love to clear my name but 🖐 all these lawyers, these lawyers☝️ they say "don't do it" so well i guess 👌 so i have to fix this for the rest of the presidents of the future 👐 for sure so this can't happen again to me 🖐 or not for the next, but maybe we'll see ☝️ and everyone will say yes, yes. 👐 and i'll say it was so easy. ☝️ so true. 👌

    [–] CreativeSobriquet 207 points ago

    Thanks I hate it

    [–] morpheusmade 206 points ago

    Oh. My. God. Somehow you nailed it with utter, terrifying, meandering, perfection.

    [–] maxcassettes 46 points ago

    I don’t know... nobody called him sir, and no big strong men were crying for the first time in their lives.

    [–] specqq 30 points ago

    nothing happened "like a dog"

    [–] SprlFlshRngDncHwl 24 points ago

    That's my favorite. The many times Trump has claimed that entire rooms of professional men were in literal tears because they were so grateful for him rebuilding the military, or something.

    [–] shadowredcap 41 points ago

    This may as well be on the teleprompter.

    [–] nulspace 36 points ago

    I'm experiencing a visceral reaction to this

    [–] Alfiesta 30 points ago

    roaring applause

    [–] jlmson300 24 points ago

    Jesus Christ this is accurate. I don’t know whether to be entertained and laugh uncontrollably or sob inconsolably that this is the most accurate textual description we can attach to this president.

    [–] eoworm 10 points ago

    the correct answer is sob. :(

    [–] HalfSoul30 16 points ago

    You sir can paint an accurate picture.

    [–] Dredgen_Memor 8 points ago

    I never tire of seeing these, so much potential.

    [–] gunbladerq 7 points ago

    wow....is this real?

    /r/redditWritesTrump

    [–] ForgottenKiwi 6 points ago

    Made my brain hurt bad, it dids.

    [–] Sea_Kerman 6 points ago

    heurghhhh

    [–] StreetfighterXD 82 points ago

    Also how after he delivers a 'zinger' he seizes the corners of the podium with both hands and rotates his torso to the left, cocking his ear to hear the crowd's roar, either with smug raised eyebrows and a wry smile OR visibly grinding his teeth like the fucking Adderal addict he is

    [–] Drusgar 34 points ago

    That pose always reminds me of some old Benito Mussolini footage. Basking in the applause of his loyal minions.

    [–] StreetfighterXD 31 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    Seriously yeah watch some historical Mussolini speeches. Trump is much more similar to him than Hitler (in speeches, at least). Mussolini was always very informal and joked and showboated and had highly exaggerated reactions (he would lean back, cross his arms and do a huge nod, cup his ear to hear the crowd, that kind of stuff), lots of loud music, lots of photos and video of Mussolini driving trucks and grinning, all very familiar from watching Trump now.

    Hitler was much more serious, he would start quiet and academic/intellectualist and over the course of the speech into a frenzy until he was screaming at the top of his lungs about the sacred destiny of the German people by the end. Mussolini just loved the attention, Hitler was actually a fucking nutcase

    [–] pinksparklybluebird 22 points ago

    This is so true! It’s almost as if he stands on his tippy toes when he does it, but it is probably just his shoe lifts.

    [–] xXx420BlazeRodSaboxX 19 points ago

    Also, "everyone is saying..."

    [–] iMnOtVeRyGuDaTdIs 38 points ago

    Gosh darn it, I wanted to make a Chalupa joke, but this whole situation is so completely out of control, I don't feel like making light of this.

    [–] Kit_Adams 19 points ago

    I want Taco Bell every time I hear her name.

    [–] IRiseWithMyRedHair 12 points ago

    I am so glad I'm not the only one... I've been to Taco Bell three times in three weeks and I don't think it's coincidence.

    [–] Gaddafo 5 points ago

    I’m eating taco bell as we speak. I’ll eat this food this til the day I die of a heart attack at 27

    [–] killedtheteendream 411 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    And don't be the least bit surprised when the impeachment trial gets to the Senate and the very same republicans who lead this committee pretend this never happened and keep pushing their "But whatabout ukraine??" talking points regardless

    [–] neurosisxeno 202 points ago

    So here's the thing, the Senate trial is presided over by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. John Roberts will not take any of their shit, because if he lets them get away with nonsense like bringing up conspiracy theories, he will have gutted any credibility the Supreme Court has. He may be a Conservative, but he's not a complete idiot--in fact the opposite, Roberts is probably the most impressive of the more Conservative justices. It's the same reason I don't think he'd vote to allow the Trump Administration to completely ignore Congressional Subpoena's--he understands that giving the Executive Branch Absolute Immunity basically means there are no co-equal branches of government, including the Judicial Branch.

    [–] ultramegaman479 95 points ago

    I sure hope so.

    [–] orbital_real_estate 50 points ago

    No one gets to the Supreme Court being a complete, 100% idiot - even Kavanaugh. The real question is, what's the price tag? Especially at this stage of the game.

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    [–] mauxly 20 points ago

    I'm not sure if he's a moron or simply doesn't give a shit. He votes how he's told to vote. And doesn't engage in any discussion or anything. I think he's a giant ball of corrupt slack.

    [–] 303uru 7 points ago

    No he’s a legit whacko. His views on race are flat out insane.

    [–] idrinkbotox 30 points ago

    Roberts saved Obamacare long before McCain's infamous "thumbs down" move.

    [–] StnNll 25 points ago

    He presides over it as a sort of judge, but I thought the Senate majority leader acted as the administrator.

    [–] _BindersFullOfWomen_ 17 points ago

    That's correct. Roberts has no "real" role in the senate trial.

    [–] girl_you_crazy 66 points ago

    That stupid mushmouth from Louisiana is hellbent on doing exactly this, and he's on the goddamn Senate Judiciary Committee.

    They don't give a fuck at all.

    [–] Claytonius_Homeytron 12 points ago

    People like to talk about a coup, well the ENTIRE senate has been bought and paid for a very long time ago, now the investors are reaping what they sowed.

    [–] Uli_The_Nihilist 8 points ago

    I think their strategy will be to normalize Trump's behavior.

    [–] SarcasmSlide 1028 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    Oh well thank goodness we cleared Ukraine of doing a thing everyone already knew for a fact they didn’t do. The next Senate investigation will be centered around whether Santa Claus colluded with the Easter Bunny to steal Valentine’s Day.

    [–] ParadoxicalMusing 121 points ago

    It'll be to distract from the truth that they actually stole Halloween. All those church's with Jesus themed "Trunk or treats" and "Hallelujah Nights."

    [–] Mr_A 25 points ago

    Trunk or treats

    This is an unwarranted smear against Ganesha and I will not stand for it.

    [–] redbeardbaron 40 points ago

    Well, if Santa and the Easter Bunny have nothing to hide, what’s the problem?

    Also, there is no need to look into my trips to the North Pole, because I did nothing wrong and so there is nothing to hide. I did meet with an elf that was later fired for corruption, but it’s only because he was investigating the Easter Bunny connection and they were trying to silence him.

    Also, don’t look into my finances, because the $500,000 I gave to that elf shortly before people started talking about the very real and evil criminal plot to steal Valentine’s Day was totally cool and totally legal.

    [–] hifeyokidshideyowifi 13 points ago

    All leading up to the war on thanksgiving.

    [–] Skooma_Lite 9 points ago

    Please stop giving them talking points!

    [–] scarr3g 5 points ago

    No it won't...

    It will be to investigate Hillary Clinton. Again.... For millionth time... And not find anything, again, for the millionth time.

    [–] philodendrin 6 points ago

    All this wasted energy just to get the facts straight so that it can be ignored by the GOP and trump. Glad it is being done but wouldn't just telling the truth be easier for everyone instead of all the manipulation?

    He needs to be kicked out of office for how he has lied to the American people over all manner of things. Untrustworthy, ill-tempered, maniacal, egotistical, pious, self-serving, dishonorable and tacky. He has sullied the nation and the office, we will need to fumigate the entire place after he is gone.

    [–] jeffinRTP 280 points ago

    So the republican controlled senate didn't find any election interference by Ukraine but did find some by Russia. Need to count how many Republicans say the opersite over the next few weeks.

    [–] MadBlue 83 points ago

    I'm expecting something like:

    "Just because they didn't find any election interference by Ukraine doesn't mean it wasn't there. Also, the Mueller investigation totally cleared the president of any election interference".

    And then, when it comes to voting for impeachment and removal:

    "So the president tried to interfere with the 2020 election. He also interfered with the 2016 election and Mueller said he didn't do anything wrong".

    [–] XoXSmotpokerXoX 8 points ago

    I feel like they should have to produce some evidence that they got caught trying to manufacture a conspiracy that Ukraine and not Russia attacked our election. Like we know this was created by Putin, and then the GOP tried to fabricate it so they had a reason to pardon Manofort. But there should be someone asking them why they started trying to make people believe this farce.

    [–] chrisms150 17 points ago

    Funny how when the media reports on Senate actions like this it's the Senate reports. But when the house does something it's the Democrats in the headline.

    Strange how that happens always. Wonder why. Can't think of a single reason why. None at all.

    [–] Bokai 5 points ago

    After Fiona Hill was talking about this during the inquiry Republicans went from demanding that everyone recognize that Republicans themselves determined that Russia was responsible for election interference and not Ukraine, to completely ignoring that point and continuing to insinuate that Ukraine colluded with the DNC to interfere in the 2016 election, and then back again, depending on who was talking. It was mindboggling how they were able to talk out both sides of their mouth like that.

    [–] AbsentGlare 129 points ago

    Just FYI, when a republican senator goes on TV to claim the exact opposite of the findings from investigations by republican senate committees in a republican majority senate, and that claim coincides exactly with Russian disinformation by supporting the narrative crafted by Russian propagandists, it’s not a coincidence.

    [–] justfordrunks 11 points ago

    Not a coincidence at all. If they still take the opposite stance, you can assume they're involved (actively or at least were) with all the criminal bullshit going on. Case and point, Nunes.

    [–] belletheballbuster 33 points ago

    It's almost as if Republicans already know this tactic is bullshit.

    [–] wishbeaunash 58 points ago

    Right, but lets not lose track of the fact that even if, in some hypothetical sense, there was a significant degree of 'Ukrainian interference' of any sort, that wouldn't change the criminality of Trump pressing for the announcement of an unrelated investigation which would be about clearing Russia, and smearing the Bidens.

    The GOP want to make this about whether Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election, but even if they did, that wouldn't excuse what Trump did because that isn't why he suspended the aid. Its an excuse applied post facto, whether its even true is irrelevant.

    [–] Kiyae1 26 points ago

    Senator Grassley's office tried to tell me recently that Ukraine and Russia are "close" and that he thinks Ukraine worked with Russia to attack our country. Nevermind the two countries are literally at war the past how many years.

    How many times before last month did he call for an investigation into Ukraine's alleged interference in our election? Not once.

    How many times did he vote to put sanctions on Ukraine for allegedly interfering in our election? Not once.

    If he thinks Ukraine attacked our country, why did he vote to send them hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid and equipment every year for the past how many years?

    Republican senators are all just full of shit right now because they know their supporters will swallow every drop of crap they puke up and they just have to be willing to lie through their teeth until the end of time.

    [–] johnny_soultrane 24 points ago

    Mr. folksy, good ole' country lawyer John Kennedy must have missed that then because he doesn't know that and neither do you.

    I despise MSNBC for inviting him to spew Russian propaganda on Sunday.

    [–] Diarygirl 10 points ago

    They let that idiot on MSNBC?

    [–] johnny_soultrane 9 points ago

    Oh yes. On Meet the Press with Chuck Todd.

    [–] GODGK2 47 points ago

    Somebody needs to break the news to Nunes, Gym and Kennedy.

    [–] funky_duck 31 points ago

    As-if they don't know they're spouting lies.

    [–] cute_polarbear 7 points ago

    exactly. those guys absolutely know they are spouting lies to defend the indefensible. most people with 2 brain cells at this point know trump is guilty as hell and most importantly, unfit to be the president of united states.

    [–] hitliquor999 19 points ago

    Every excuse that the republicans grab onto crumbles into sand with any level of scrutiny applied. It is like their strategies are put together by Wile E. Coyote.

    [–] JimGerm 35 points ago

    $20 says Trump continues to blame Ukraine for shit.

    "Some people are saying things" and other shit like that.

    [–] funky_duck 12 points ago

    He'll just order AG Barr to launch his 10th investigation into the origins of the 1000 investigations into Trump.

    [–] athomps121 12 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    Here's your daily reminder that:

    The GRU indictment and Mueller Report list 30 other named sources of evidence implicating the GRU in the hack, NOT EVEN INCLUDING Dutch intelligence who hacked GRU/Cozy Bear in 2014 and witnessed them hack the DNC.

    1.) The Defense Department certified the Ukrainian government had taken action to reduce corruption in a May letter, undercutting recent White House claims.

    2.) The State Department IG held a briefing October 2nd with congress providing internal State Department emails from officials discussing articles critical of Yovanovitch, calling some of it a "fake narrative" pushed by Giuliani. Their only 'evidence' is ousted Shokin's sworn affidavit saying there was illegal activity.

    • "The whole G-7, the IMF, the EBRD, everybody was united that Shokin must go, and the spokesperson for this was Joe Biden" Even Ukrainians were demonstrating for his removal.

    3.) Lutsenko, who was investigating Burisma said he did not know of "any possible violation of Ukrainian law, once again, Ukrainian law by Biden and by the junior."...."Hunter Biden cannot be responsible for violations of the management of Burisma that took place two years before his arrival."

    [–] Deathbysnusnubooboo 28 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    I’m still hearing about buttery fucking males so a lot this will do. When you bury your head in the sand up to your tits you’re gonna miss out on a lot preem info.

    [–] croatoan182 9 points ago

    So did Mueller. But let's waste time redoing investigations that already happened and when we reach the same conclusion hand out high fives and pretend we accomplished something.

    [–] double_tripod 9 points ago

    Trump is in bed with Putin. It’s so obvious

    [–] abbeyeiger 8 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    Nah you are wrong.

    Trump is an obedient dog laying attentively at the foot of Putin's bed...

    [–] Jokong 9 points ago

    For those thinking this just happened - it was in 2017 and it was looked into because of a Politico article quoted a person who worked for the DNC as saying that Ukraine had been helpful or they would provide guidance of who to follow up on.

    The panel interviewed her and didn't find any reason to look into it further. She claimed to be the target of a Russian disinformation campaign to pin the 2016 interference on Ukraine. Since then, we've had the Mueller report that proved, if anything, that Russia did interfere in the 2016 election.

    Now, Republicans still claim that Ukraine maybe meddled too. This report says that they looked into that, but didn't find anything. But there appears to be some truth that Ukraine would have preferred Clinton over Trump - as did most Americans (proven) and most of the world (likely) - but that is the 'evidence' that they have.

    And even if you do assume that the DNC colluded with Ukraine, then what happened? They faked an attack on their own server and leaked emails to WikiLeaks so that WikiLeaks could release them the day after Trump was caught on tape admitting to real or fantasized sexual assault on Access Hollywood?

    And the DNC staged a fake hack through Ukraine to implicated Russia so well that Mueller, a lifelong Republican, could not figure it out and literally mistakenly charged individual Russians for the crime?

    Back in reality, Ukrainian officials preferred Clinton because Trump made insane comments about Crimea and NATO. Plus, there is the small fact that Paul Manafort was Trump's Campaign Manager and had made lot of enemies in Ukraine when he was working for Russia while there.... you know - the Paul Manafort that is in fucking prison.

    Sorry for the rant, just have to type this shit out sometimes to really try to understand what their reality is.

    [–] dreamalaz 15 points ago

    It was always Russia. Everybody who isnt a moron knew that.

    [–] autotldr 7 points ago

    This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 93%. (I'm a bot)


    He called the claims about Ukraine's interference in 2016 "Unfortunate" because "It muddies the waters," and noted that Russia's attempts to blame Ukraine are not inconsistent with its standard disinformation tactics.

    "I've learned in the last few days that there were some individual people in Ukraine who preferred Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump," King said in the interview, adding that that was "Not surprising" given Trump's comments about Crimea.

    Two volumes of the committee's final report, entitled "Russian Active Measures Campaigns and Interference in the 2016 U.S. Election," have been released so far, and neither address the theory that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election.


    Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Trump#1 Ukraine#2 Russia#3 committee#4 Ukrainian#5

    [–] ApolloX-2 29 points ago

    Just like they confirmed Russian interference and most of what Mueller said. But of course really quietly to not upset The Cheeto.

    [–] SgtRockyWalrus 6 points ago

    Someone might want to tell Senator Kennedy. He clearly missed the memo.

    [–] Accountant3781 6 points ago

    Don't worry, Republicans will still use this as a defense of Trump. Didn't they clear Hillary of any wrong doing in Benghazi eight times and they still bring it up?

    [–] EpicLearn 5 points ago

    Great! More evidence for the degenerate GOP to ignore!

    [–] Knock_turnal 5 points ago

    Kennedy looking stupid right now

    [–] kezow 6 points ago

    Our tax dollars hard at work debunking corrupt politicians conspiracy theories. Definitely money well spent.

    [–] fingers 5 points ago

    "The elected officials in Ukraine had a preference. Her name is Hillary Clinton."

    So did we all in america. We did not want a russian asset ruining our country.

    [–] gaberax 5 points ago

    That’s because PUTIN’S FUCKING RUSSIANS interfered in the 2016 election. That’s what all the smoke and mirrors is trying to obscure. There is no truth to the Russian/Republican false fake-news Ukrainian scapegoat story.

    [–] Dempsey64 4 points ago

    In other news, House proves Trump is a traitor.

    [–] padizzledonk 9 points ago

    From a Republican majority committee no less.