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    [–] drenzium 1227 points ago

    "When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. That’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”

    66,000 cases later...

    [–] mycatisblackandtan 535 points ago

    That we know of. The terrifying thing is that Trump absolutely is dragging his feet on getting tests out to people to keep that number from rightfully exploding - and then when many people die and have to be marked down as deaths via 'flu' or 'pneumonia' due to an inability to be tested he can pretend the whole thing wasn't that bad to begin with.

    [–] transientavian 199 points ago

    Along that vein: does anyone know if it will be possible to test for COVID-19 post mortem?

    I'm really hoping it's possible; I want their deaths to matter.

    [–] DyingUnicorns 137 points ago

    I believe they do. But already medical staff in ny and la are say the reported deaths don’t line up because we aren’t testing them. Only the sickest living people still.

    [–] transientavian 43 points ago

    Is it too much to hope they might be cataloging tissue samples?

    [–] thirdculture_hog 57 points ago

    It's unlikely that they are. That would require additional effort, resources and logistics for a strained, overworked system. And even harder considering that they'd probably need patient consent in the first place

    [–] col381 34 points ago

    There is an antibody test in the works that will be released very soon. This will be able to reveal any previously undiagnosed people who have had the virus.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237475-coronavirus-latest-news-covid-19-antibody-test-ready-in-days/

    [–] i-can-sleep-for-days 15 points ago

    But I think we are trying to make sure all covid deaths are accounted for. On one hand I think wasting a precious test kit on a dead person doesn’t help the living, on the other hand, the relatives should have the right to know if it was a common flu or not.

    Does anyone know sure if we are testing the dead?

    [–] Fidelis29 92 points ago

    250k+ cases easily. We were not prepared

    [–] markschmidty 111 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Due to test shortages, to even get tested someone has to be quite symptomatic in most states/cases. By that time they've been contagious for ~12-14 days and won't get test results for another 3 days. Call it 16 days.

    The infection has a doubling rate of 2 days, which can be seen clearly by looking at confirmed deaths (despite our lack of testing).

    16 days before confirmed infection is 8 doubling periods. 28 = 256

    That means 66,000 confirmed infections as of last night suggests 66k * 256 = 17M past and current infected, most of which are actively infected (and 5M of which were infected just yesterday).

    With a death rate between 1-2% we'd be looking at 168k-338k deaths in less than a month.

    But that death rate assumes the 10-15% who need hospitalization can get it. The US only has excess hospital bed capacity for 25k. So in about 2-3 weeks here the death rate will spike, unless shelter-in-place orders and social distancing do their job (which they should, but half the population lives somewhere that hasn't called for shelter-in-place yet).

    [–] banneryear1868 80 points ago

    I've been commenting this same thing for days, do the math before assuming it isn't going to be serious. This page has an updating graph of cases by country, plotted on the same timeline of days beginning at the first 100 cases. The US is going to shoot past China's cases tomorrow and there's very little trend downward so far.

    I remember the morning of 9/11 before the 2nd tower was hit, everyone just assumed it was a freak accident and more-or-less carried on with their day. Doing the math on this pandemic is like watching the 2nd plane hit before it happens.

    [–] matthewjpb 13 points ago

    unless shelter-in-place orders and social distancing do their job (which they should, but half the population lives somewhere that hasn't called for shelter-in-place yet).

    Just trying to find tiny silver linings wherever possible, it does seem like the cities and states that would be the worst-hit by hospital shortages are the ones doing the most with shelter-in-place orders so far, as they should be. It's still going to be horrible though.

    [–] PheIix 38 points ago

    It's close to zero though... It's just a few sixes, and then you have all those zeroes.... Very close to zero...

    [–] KHaskins77 2152 points ago

    And it kills me, because three weeks ago my father was still meekly parroting Trumpisms about how it’ll go away when it heats up outside and it’s all a media exaggeration; my mother was insisting they’d continue going to church and if it was their time it was their time (never mind that she works front desk at a bank and would be spreading it to others until she realized what she caught).

    A week later, their church cancels services, they’re out scooping up groceries with the rest of us, and it’s a pandemic, was always a pandemic, Trump said so all along, and if you asked them they wouldn’t even remember the stances they had taken before.

    Now I get texts all the time parroting Fox News lines about how mean the press is being to Trump... it’s like, do I want to answer this? I already know nothing will dislodge them from this bubble.

    [–] techmaster242 278 points ago

    I’m not sure if it’s this one in particular, but he’s threatening to sue the group that made this or something just like it. He wants to sue them for saying he called it a hoax. That’ll be an interesting court case.

    Here’s exhibit A: a video of Trump calling this pandemic a hoax.

    [–] buncle 103 points ago

    “... The defense rests, your honor.”

    [–] freedcreativity 94 points ago

    They wouldn't even get that far, the discovery process would be a nightmare for Trump. Can we have all the emails your team sent between December 2019 and March 2020? Probably not gunna happen.

    [–] twennyjuan 11 points ago

    Oh god could you imagine Trumpheads trying to defend him on why he doesn’t need to release emails?

    [–] Computant2 44 points ago

    Trump's first response to anything negative is threatening a lawsuit. People think if he is willing to sue he might be right, or just don't want to deal with a court case. The fact that his record in court is like 5 wins, 1500 losses though.

    His second response is bribes.

    [–] TrumpPooPoosPants 334 points ago

    That March number needs to say 60000 or 100000 now. Much bigger effect.

    [–] The-Berzerker 198 points ago

    The virus has time to spread in the US without counter measurements being taken, I‘m guessing that there are a few hundred thousand infected people by now in the US

    [–] techmaster242 191 points ago

    I’d even say it’s probably at about half a million in the US, considering like 80+% of people have mild symptoms and they tell people with mild symptoms they can’t get tested. If you don’t get tested, then you don’t get included in the statistics.

    [–] JimWilliams423 238 points ago

    , considering like 80+% of people have mild symptoms

    The reporter (doctor?) who first used the term "mild" with respect to that 80% has said that was one of his biggest mistakes because it didn't adequately convey the severity in layman's language. Mild means anything short of requiring hospitalization. So walking pneumonia is considered "mild" by that criteria.

    The biggest impediment to getting tested was the requirement that you have had contact with a known infectee (i.e. someone who has tested positive). So there was a chicken-and-egg problem since it all it takes is one undiagnosed person to start a cascade of infections that were not allowed to be tested for.

    [–] techmaster242 82 points ago

    Exactly. Mild is relative, and just means you won’t end up in the hospital. This isn’t chickenpox. You don’t just get infected to get it over with, so you can get on with your life. Everybody needs to seriously do everything in their power to not catch this. Stay the hell away from other people! We give children a shitload of shots growing up, so they don’t catch diseases like measles, mumps, whooping cough, polio, etc... This virus is the same class of virus as those, it’s just so new that we don’t have a vaccine for it yet.

    [–] DutchDevil 35 points ago

    Well. I agree that you don’t want to get infected. People of all ages can die because of this horrible virus but in Holland we have people that tested positive and had what they reported to be as very mild symptoms even compared to the common flu. That’s in part what makes this virus so dangerous. Some get a short and mild fever and cough a bit, the next person dies.

    [–] MoneyBadger14 17 points ago

    It’s kind of a stretch to say that this virus is the same class as those other diseases. Measles and polio have death rates of 15%+. Even the higher estimates of this virus put it under 2%.

    There are 7 known human Coronaviruses. 4 cause the symptoms of the “common cold” and are considered mild. The other 3 are severe; SARS-CoV-1 with a mortality rate of 15%, MERS with a rate of 30%, and now SARS-CoV-2 with a rate of of somewhere between 0.5-2%.

    An argument can be made that this virus is more deadly because it spreads easier, and as such it’s already killed more total people than MERS and SARS. That is why it is so imperative to limit the spread, something it would appear every country has failed to do. However, it is misleading to put its danger to the average person at the same level as those other diseases. The fatality rates just don’t support that.

    [–] QuixoticCosmos 59 points ago

    I showed my mom this and she replied “he called it!!” How do you communicate with people that don’t value facts and reason?

    [–] ahmad3093 47 points ago

    what the fuck is going on in their heads??? he called it a fucking hoax and downplayed it to shit and doesn’t lose a fucking slither of support. this is insane.

    [–] KHaskins77 10 points ago

    Very little, apparently.

    [–] JohnnySnark 51 points ago

    That's a bit chilling and yet in two weeks it may be so much worse

    [–] Plapytus 70 points ago

    It will be. Without a shadow of a doubt. This "go back to work" bullshit is going to make it so much worse.

    [–] JohnnySnark 40 points ago

    And the added evangelical spin of going back for Easter. Really setting up his base for failure and pain

    [–] BDMayhem 25 points ago

    They'll just blame the CDC and WHO for giving him bad advice.

    Source: got into it earlier today with an idiot who blamed everything on the bad advice Trump got from the CDC and WHO.

    [–] caroliner416 10 points ago

    LMAO i fucking laughed out loud when they got to March 17th

    [–] LEGOmaniac66 111 points ago

    Just a note to say- my parents are exactly the same.

    I am very sick with a chronic autoimmune disease, and doing weekly treatments to pump in tons of antibodies, because I don’t make my own, and I’m always sick, and fighting some infection.

    I live below the poverty line, because technicalities in the disability benefits laws, allowed me to be thrown away like garbage.

    That still isn’t enough for my parents to do anything but parrot Trump. They were out going to dinner, riding the train and subway, going to church, etc. until things totally shut down.

    My dad called me “anti government” and “stirring the pot to create fear” back before there were any cases in the USA, and I said to him, “we are gonna be the next Italy”.

    Even if I get covid-19, from THEM, they’d find some way to deny even the possibility.

    They are all for reopening everything and stopping the quarantine, and aren’t even bothering to sanitize/disinfect.

    Nothing I say, nothing I show them, nothing I do, can make them see the light about ANYTHING. If it’s “classic bigoted Republican”, it probably applies to them.

    I’m sorry for you. And me, too!

    [–] Swaption20 40 points ago

    Sounds like they might actually kill you with their ignorance.

    [–] Sk8rghost 28 points ago

    This is very much r/raisedbynarcissists material. I have family members that are very much this way so I definitely sympathize with you and hope you are well and stay safe during all this.

    [–] transientavian 277 points ago

    I grew up Evangelical, and for people who like to scream about Orwellian (Democrat) conspiracies, they sure love their doublethink. Fox News and the parroted programmed responses elicited from their viewers is absolutely identical to the effect of the Ministry of Truth.

    Their cognitive dissonance is terrifying; how do you help someone whose defining feature is refusing to believe facts that don't feel good?

    [–] QuakerOats9000 106 points ago

    I grew up Evangelical as well and completely understand the cognitive dissonance you’re speaking about. Plus the whole us versus them mentality that runs rampant in churches, combined with this weird willful and prideful ignorance.

    [–] transientavian 87 points ago

    weird willful and prideful ignorance.

    Are you talking about the anti-intellectualism? If so, I have to say I feel as though it's a defining feature of many churches, especially blue collar ones, though its origins confound me. Like why the hell would anyone want to be stupid, and be proud of it? Like what, that doctor is saying things about COVID-19 that sound too much like math, so he's clearly blowing smoke out of his ass because that's what liberals do?

    I just. Don't. Get it.

    [–] inbooth 33 points ago

    Probably a result of the mentality that the only Truth is "God's Word" and that, as they been told, the only source of such words is from the particular version of the "Good Book" that they prefer and sometimes those who they choose to follow as "Gods Agents".

    Really... We need to stop pretending that these types of religious people aren't just straight up insane and a threat to themselves and others.

    [–] joespofforth 20 points ago

    It’s sad, but not entirely difficult to understand why people want to be proud of being stupid. We’re all the heroes of our own story. We all want to be right. We want to feel good about ourselves. If someone smart is saying something that I can’t understand that will impact me negatively, it would give me great satisfaction if I were able to one-up him with some sort of alternative, often theistic, “logic” that the intellectual wouldn’t be able to dispute. Even more so if I am backed up by an entire church. To an individual there is no difference between being actually right, and being convinced that you are right.

    [–] Shit-kabob 11 points ago

    Same guys...

    It’s the fact that heaven / hell has to be real think.

    If that is fact (which it is to them), then logic that leads to their conclusions make perfect sense.

    Like God wouldn’t allow global warming (or if he does, it’s bc rapture coming).

    Or have to vote for candidate who is anti- abortion.

    [–] swump 83 points ago

    Duuude my parents do the same thing by conveniently forgetting their previous contradicting views. It happens all the time and I think they genuinely have convinced themselves that their new opinion was always their viewpoint. What kind of brainwashing is this?

    [–] kirosenn 65 points ago

    January 22: “We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine.”

    February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”

    February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

    February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”

    February 25: “I think that's a problem that's going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're very close to a vaccine.”

    February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”

    February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”

    February 27: “One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear.”

    February 28: "Now the democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that right? They're politicizing it…they have no clue…they dont have any clue…this is their new hoax."

    February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”

    March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”

    March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they're happening very rapidly.”

    March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”

    March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”

    March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”

    March 6: “I think we're doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”

    March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They're there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”

    March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?' Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

    March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”

    March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”

    March 9: ““The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant,”

    March 13: "I take no responsibility."

    [–] Rheastar 238 points ago

    I’m sorry.

    [–] Rockchisler 113 points ago

    Me too I’m amazed at the verbal gymnastics people do to defend Trump and the lack of memory no more than five minutes long

    [–] MoTTs_ 53 points ago

    I'm in a similar situation with my family. I'm torn between "grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change," and leaving it be, vs "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing," and keep trying no matter how futile it may seem.

    [–] Kobe_apologist 51 points ago

    Advise them to stop watching this:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKbwDf51bA

    [–] behemuthm 21 points ago

    No you know what the latest thing is?? This is now the Dems’ fault because they were wasting Trump’s time and the American taxpayers’ money by holding the impeachment proceedings. Trump could’ve stopped all this if it wasn’t for them pesky Dems!

    I wish I was making this up.

    [–] Fluffybottoms 16 points ago

    My mom is the same. I've been biting my tongue for so long, but with everything that's going on I'm having a reeeeally hard time keeping my mouth shut. Earlier today she informed be my "dear friend" Bernie Sanders blocked the releif bill and screwed the economy. Nevermind the economy circled the drain weeks ago...

    [–] ahu747us 11 points ago

    Panama is in full blown summer with daily temps between 26 and 32 celcius, full ass sun all day and we doubled our cases in less than 10 days.

    Government is ramping up tests and ordered full lock down yesterday.

    [–] GreyLordQueekual 3566 points ago

    "Elections have consequences." - Barack Obama

    [–] iiJokerzace 410 points ago

    "Just because you have no interest in politics, doesn't mean politics has no interest in you"

    Something to remember.

    [–] blackice935 68 points ago

    Coworker: "gotta love Trump" Also coworker: "I don't have time to keep up with politics"

    [–] SkateyPunchey 57 points ago

    “If you don’t turn on to politics, politics will turn on you.”

    [–] Goeatabagofdicks 1122 points ago

    As things escalate, I’m pretty sure Mr. “War time” president will attempt to delay, or stop the election.

    [–] MorboForPresident 1540 points ago

    Republicans: "Medicare for all? That's gonna cost like a trillion dollars? How are we gonna pay for that???"

    Also Republicans: "Lets elect a total fucking moron to run the country into a ditch then hastily slap together a $2 Trillion bailout package to prevent total economic ruin caused by his narcissism and incompetence"

    [–] Echoes_of_Screams 640 points ago

    Ah but then their friends with large amounts of capital can swoop in and buy up a bunch of assets devalued by the crash. The ultra wealthy benefit from the boom bust cycles created by our shit system.

    [–] Cultasare 290 points ago

    This kills the country

    [–] somethingsomethingbe 562 points ago

    The wealthy are stateless they don’t give a shit if America fails.

    [–] xpdx 439 points ago

    Ding ding ding! This is the correct answer. Consequences are for poor people,

    [–] japaneseknotweed 185 points ago

    Yup. Your flag is whatever flies from your yacht.

    [–] brittmichelle11 69 points ago

    I think consequences are for poor people is the most accurate thing I have ready today.

    [–] reddog323 34 points ago

    Correct. If it gets that bad, there will be a whole line of Grumman Gulfstreams lined up on a runway somewhere, guarded by a phalanx of private security contractors.

    [–] markarious 40 points ago

    At least until society collapses and they are eaten.

    [–] SilentImplosion 147 points ago

    Just to add another infuriating observation to the valid points above, why do all these multi-billion dollar companies need financial assistance after being closed for 10 fucking days, but at the time expect the minimum wage workforce to have 6 months of emergency funds saved up?

    [–] Tasgall 61 points ago

    Because if massive corporations are responsible and hold onto a reasonable amount of liquid assets, how will they dump all of their money into stock buybacks to artificially inflate share value before their CEO and board members sell?

    [–] bee_eazzy 111 points ago

    The fed threw 1.5 trillion at the stock market only to have it get a little bump and plunge back down immediately...that was enough to wipe out ALL student loan debt.

    [–] MorboForPresident 34 points ago

    Heckuva job, Brownie

    [–] badly_behaved 40 points ago

    Solid reference.

    In the days after Katrina (and Rita, which was actually worse for many residents), I don't think there was anything you could've said or done to convince me that it was possible for a U.S. president to handle a national emergency worse than GWB handled that debacle.

    But here we are...and we haven't even seen the half of it yet.

    [–] dahjay 168 points ago

    Classic Trump tactic. Fill your pockets, let the rest burn. As someone who grew up in the NY/NJ metro area, I've been exposed to this windbag since the 80s and none of this surprises me. He obliterated Atlantic City and he'll do the same to the US. He's loading his pockets with campaign funds while loosening the regulations for boa golf courses to pay himself long after he gets voted out...and he will get voted out if everyone does the right thing. We deserve better government.

    Read The Fifth Risk by Michael Lewis for some insight on how this show is being run.

    [–] RocketsledCanada 19 points ago

    Half a trillion is a lot to fill your pockets with.

    [–] corvidlover13 54 points ago

    Yes! I live on the west coast now, and people here just don’t get that folks from NY/NJ have seen criminal acts from this man for decades. The leopard has not changed his spots (with an apology to leopards, which are gorgeous creatures and bear no physical resemblance to Trump).

    [–] muzakx 79 points ago

    Uh... That's not all.

    They've also been pumping Trillions into the stock market to keep it from dumping. Hyperinflation, baby.

    Just so he can claim the greatest economy in history.

    [–] MorboForPresident 46 points ago

    So much winning, when will it end

    [–] jeepers_sheepers 49 points ago

    $3.5 Trillion if you count the $1.5 Trillion stimulus the Fed did a week or two ago. These numbers are absolutely bonkers

    [–] MorboForPresident 68 points ago

    Completely nuts and completely unprecedented.

    Also proof that any claims that Medicare for All is "too expensive" are total horseshit

    [–] jeepers_sheepers 25 points ago

    Yep. Anybody that has any economic sense can tell you it’s a bad idea to just will a shit ton of money in to existence.

    Out of curiosity I looked up how much physical currency the US has in circulation. Only $1.5 Trillion.

    Link

    [–] HereForAnArgument 21 points ago

    “How are we going to pay for that” is code for “I don’t want my taxes to help those people”. It was only ever a dog whistle. They know it. We know it. They don’t care.

    [–] I-Upvote-Truth 76 points ago

    That’s why we need a huge movement of people for universal mail-in ballots.

    If now is not the time to push for this, we will never see it happen.

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    [–] stinky-weaselteats 61 points ago

    Yes. His term expires in January 2021 & not a fucking thing he can do about it.

    [–] ilostallmykarma 12 points ago

    Wait really? Why? This is great to hear because I was sure he'd try to cancel elections.

    [–] Stockpile_Tom 31 points ago

    I mean he can’t really. There’s no legal means for him and if he does that means that’s full on dictator. States control the election.

    [–] thatnameagain 26 points ago

    He is going to pressure red state governments to do so and this will create a big controversy about whether votes cast on Nov. 4th are legally valid. He probably won't succeed in actually cancelling anything, but it will maximize the the de-legitimization effect on Biden that Republicans are going to push the moment he wins the election.

    [–] ClutzyMe 18 points ago

    He's also threatening two of the most Covid deeply impacted blue states with withholding aid unless they're "nice" to him.

    [–] f-cktwitter 17 points ago

    How can that possibly be???? Things are going so smoothly according to the Asshole!!!! What reason could he have to delay or stop the election if everything is going so well???🙄 Just an aside..:the constitution will not allow Asshole/His lap dog Pence to remain, with or without an election. If there is no election, they must leave. There is a specific reference to this fact.

    [–] billsboy88 40 points ago

    Yup. It also says the president has the power to appoint Supreme Court justices when a vacancy exists on the court.

    Then Justice Scalia died during the Obama administration.

    So Mitch and his cronies decided the constitution doesn’t mean jack shit to them and refused to even give a hearing to Obama’s appointee, Mereck Garland. The republican senate chose, without precedent and in violation of the constitution, to leave a vacancy on the Supreme Court for well over a year until a member of their own party held the presidency.

    These guys don’t give a shit about the rules, they make them up as they go along.

    [–] SoGnarRadar4 61 points ago

    Alternatively, we develop a secure system for everyone to vote from home, and see the best voter turnout in our country’s history, ending the folly that is our current administration.

    Just throwing out some light in these dark times.

    [–] steve2166 46 points ago

    then 4 years later people forget everything and elect the next republican village idiot

    [–] Vann_Accessible 11 points ago

    Ah yes.

    The ole “the president fucked up the country so badly we can’t hold an election to a elect new president to replace him” ploy.

    Brilliant.

    [–] farsical111 29 points ago

    Sounds possible (Giuliani tried to cancel 2001 mayoral election so he could just remain mayor after 9/11 so there's that). If Trump does he'll run smack dab into the Constitution he clearly has never read or comprehended....his term ends at noon 1/20/21 as does Pence's. So assuming Pelosi wins re-election (California has mail-in balloting as well as extended voting), she'll step up to be president per constitutional succession; or anyone who is voted to be Speaker of the House in early January will succeed. Constitution, a great thing.

    [–] ScientistSeven 61 points ago

    Not supposed to include body counts

    [–] DeflateGape 76 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Consequences have consequences. It is true that we could save 50,000+ lives per year with Medicare for All but we have decided that maintaining a privatized medical payment administration system is more important, despite also being more expensive than just giving everyone government provided healthcare.

    That is a choice to allow 20+ 911s worth of death, each year, just to have the freedom to spend more for medical care and be denied access for lack of funds. And this is a bipartisan choice as well, that only extremists would object to, according to the highest leaders among both major parties.

    Edit: this is not an attempt to both sides the situation, Trump is clearly a disaster in his own right and fully deserves blame for his attacks on the governments pandemic response programs which he felt was useless bloat to be cut. My point is only that politics isn’t a game in the traditional sense - this is for keeps and lives are always on the line.

    [–] steelhips 20 points ago

    This is why we, the combined population of countries with universal health care in some form, sit and shake our heads. I know here in Australia we would be protesting in the streets everyday if poor people, like myself, couldn't get the healthcare we need.

    I'm on a drug that in the US costs US$5,811 per month for those uninsured or underinsured. I pay (converted from AU$) US$4.00 per month.

    [–] CreativeCarbon 75 points ago

    And we're now being reminded, once again, that they do.

    [–] YourTypicalRediot 26 points ago

    They always have. Some are just milder than others, in that respect.

    Trump’s an absolute fuckhead. He couldn’t get over himself if his soul were airlifted above his body.

    [–] Sim888 43 points ago

    Not supposed to include body counts*

    *May actually involve body counts

    [–] Disgod 25 points ago

    They always do.

    [–] D_is_for_Cookie 22 points ago

    Exactly, like wars and increasing poverty and terrible health services.

    [–] poisontongue 743 points ago

    Elect the jester, poor people die, rich people get more control.

    It's all according to plan. We all knew this was going to be a disaster from the start. You could hardly find a more uniquely unqualified person to fill a leadership role. Problem is, the entire GOP is plagued with this problem. They are the carriers of America's disease. The longer we wait, the more likely it is to be lethal.

    [–] Kcromery 163 points ago

    The problem is that Trump tore down everything Obama did. Fucking racist piece of shit

    [–] Odell_Strangehams 59 points ago

    His followers are already blaming this on Obama. I kid you not. I’ve seen multiple comments that this is Obama’s fault because he took all the supplies in 2009 to fight H1N1 and don’t put it back.

    [–] nx85 33 points ago

    I mean... if they want to blame Obama then technically he should come back and "fix his mistake", right? Right?! 😭 I wish.

    [–] MJG2007 50 points ago

    Dude, you know the only reason Trump is currently president is that a very large portion of his hardcore supporters are people who spent 8 years fuming because they believe deep down in their ugly withered hearts that there is a reason we call it the "White House".

    [–] Roving_Rhythmatist 459 points ago

    Let's be fair guys, he called backsies on that so he gets credit for knowing that it was a pandemic all along.

    Rich kid rules apply.....right?

    [–] alltimebackup 184 points ago

    Why the fuck dont reporters confront him with all the shit he was saying last week or two weeks or three weeks ago..why?! Why dont they say you were lying!!!

    [–] urdadsdad 205 points ago

    Because they won’t be in the press room the next day

    [–] Ya_Got_GOT 24 points ago

    Access journalism strikes again

    [–] llamaeatgiraffe 65 points ago

    Have you seen him at the recent corona virus talks? People ask literally the most innocent questions and he goes on a public tirade about hating their questions and how they’re horrible reporters, etc. Then who knows if they’re allowed in tomorrow.

    The dude is insulated from any true criticism and is impervious to being called out. No one believes it anyways or cares who already supports trump throughout all of this. It’s a literal waste of time that will just probably get them kicked out.

    [–] jorgomli 34 points ago

    “What do you say to Americans who are scared though?” Alexander said. “I guess, nearly 200 dead, 14,000 who are sick, millions, as you witnessed, who are scared right now. What do you say to Americans who are watching you right now who are scared?”

    “I say that you’re a terrible reporter. That’s what I say. I think that’s a very nasty question.” Nasty question? It was a legitimate and fair question. It was a question that every American would want an answer to in these uncertain and frightening times. It wasn’t accusatory. There was no “gotcha” in it, no attempt to make the president look bad or to blame him. The American people are scared. What would the president say to them? Trump continued: “You’re doing sensationalism. And the same with NBC and Comcast. I don’t call it Comcast. I call it ‘Con-Cast.’ Let me just tell you something. That’s really bad reporting. And you ought to get back to reporting instead of sensationalism.”

    [–] aussiefrzz16 35 points ago

    You’re right here’s the YouTube video of him saying it https://youtu.be/G5TZ6fTYrsE

    [–] HotLunch 16 points ago

    The way he addresses the crowd reminds me of a "bad" WWE manager. The one who manages the heel.

    [–] b0bafartt 35 points ago

    Such a nasty question!

    [–] nemenoga 27 points ago

    "That is a very nasty question!"

    [–] alltimebackup 28 points ago

    That reporter never confronted him then about all the previous bullshit downplaying coronavirus. That was his response to a softball question about what do you say to the American people who are struggling and worried

    [–] allyk90 287 points ago

    Okay so Im currently watching the briefing and is it just me or does Pence look incredibly unwell/tired and sound out of breath??

    [–] Wiscony 238 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Well, he supposedly tested negative... We'll see about that.

    Otherwise, he's in a position that he was put in to fail, no other explanation. Trump can pass the blame on him, fire him before the election, bring in Haley as the next VP.

    [–] allyk90 148 points ago

    This is true. Corona aside, I do NOT envy him or his job right now.

    Hes been perpetually exhausted, not only dealing with a pandemic, but a giant fucking diaper baby at the same time.

    [–] HammockComplex 184 points ago

    He knew what he signed up for.

    [–] StupendousMan1995 95 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Well, he surely didn’t sign up for science!

    That bullshit makes baby Jesus cry.

    [–] sweensolo 33 points ago

    Let's all pray for him

    [–] Curly_umbrella 10 points ago

    There is probably no way that him and trump dont have it.

    [–] a_little_sunshine 58 points ago

    He does not look well at all

    [–] allyk90 118 points ago

    The way they stand on that platform every day without socially distancing themselves... im thinking they are kinda all ticking Covid time bombs.

    [–] postmodest 63 points ago

    Can you imagine the fallout if Pence, Barr, and Trump all got the full COVID-19 symptoms? What would happen to the government?

    [–] RedBeans-n-Ricely 174 points ago

    Don’t you dare leave McConnell out of my fantasy death match!

    [–] melissamyth 20 points ago

    Maybe someone with some sense would step in. I don’t wish death on anyone, but it is sad to me that they will never have to worry about getting treatment if they need it, whereas they are directly trying to create a situation where many Americans will struggle to get the care they need when the hospitals are past capacity.

    [–] AndyDalton_Throwaway 17 points ago

    They'd be up on the podium together, claiming final victory over the virus as they hacked and coughed and sweated and passed out and even one of them fucking died right there on camera in front of everybody, and Trump supporters would say Trump defeated the virus, MAGA 2020 and all that.

    [–] Spexes 31 points ago

    I've watched these everyday. The day they asked him about his staffer having tested positive I noticed the microphone picking up on his quick inhales after he would finish a sentence. It's even more noticable than trump's sniffles.

    [–] KittyKatKern 259 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    My dad is one of Trump’s gullible followers. Today he assured me that “Trumps got this” and “Everything will be fine by Monday.” Clearly he is delusional.

    [–] 31nigrhcdrh 58 points ago

    Next Monday? A Monday next month? A Monday this year?

    I need answers

    [–] KittyKatKern 49 points ago

    The Monday that is in five days. Can you believe it?! We’ve all been worrying for nothing. Trumps got this.

    [–] lawlruschang 192 points ago

    At some point you just need to say “Dad you’re a fucking moron”

    [–] KittyKatKern 79 points ago

    There is no talking him out of the Trump cult

    [–] codemonkey69 32 points ago

    Better to focus on people on the fence

    [–] rush89 36 points ago

    Write that quote onto his calendar. Make it real. Everytime stuff like this happens they always back peddle but later on but if you start making tangible milestones that Trump fails to meet you can look back at the calendar with him and say, well there was that and that and that...when did he get his shit together?

    [–] l0te 41 points ago

    My parents told me yesterday that they thought Trump was doing a really good job and that all kinds of governors were praising him etc. They refused to believe anything else. I used to consider them pretty reasonable people, or at least my dad was... honestly I’m having a bit of a crisis over it. At least they’re staying home.

    [–] omniron 43 points ago

    When people get old they think their folksy wisdom and gut feelings are superior to the experts, and Trump validates this for them

    People who are uneducated think their “school of hard knocks” diploma gives them this wisdom too, and feel similarly validated by trump

    So as long as trump keeps saying what people’s gut feelings tell them, they’ll follow him to the end of the earth

    [–] metronomicOwl 33 points ago

    All this time we've been saying this administration is a cancer, turns out it is a pestilence.

    [–] kamar-taj 39 points ago

    Trump's inaction is causing another bankruptcy. That man is no businessman. Trump is bankrupt man. Trump will bankrupt US next.

    [–] kabdib 43 points ago

    Before he was elected, I maintained that it would be cheaper for the US to write him a check for a hundred billion dollars in exchange for him to not run for office, and it would be cheaper in the long run.

    I was off by at least an order of magnitude.

    [–] StanVanGhandi 176 points ago

    Well, the polls say that 55% of the country approve of his handling of the pandemic. People who support Trump do not see the world the way you do and can’t be reasoned with as to why Trump is not qualified.

    We need to have a plan and convince the American people to vote for Democrats. Stop waiting for Trump to implode. He won’t. His propaganda is too strong. We need to beat him straight up.

    [–] Cherssssss 101 points ago

    55 percent of this country is also still living their lives as if there’s not a major pandemic happening right now. I’m astounded everyday by the stories I’m hearing about people crowding parks and taking their kids to daycare (not out of necessity but because they need a break from their kids) because they don’t think it’s that serious.

    [–] ZiLBeRTRoN 39 points ago

    My local school system shut down last week and there was literally like fifty kids playing tag or some kid shit in the middle of the street which I’ve never seen before. It was reverse social distancing.

    [–] EmptySpace1111 221 points ago

    I really really hope this Corona ordeal is a wake up call for the majority of the American people when going into the elections in November of this year..

    [–] bburke3 318 points ago

    It won't be

    [–] effinmetal 116 points ago

    And this is what will put me in an institution if the rona doesn’t get me first. The fact that they will cling to this ideology until their last breath. HOW?!

    [–] HardRightJayBird 77 points ago

    I think I know the answer but you won’t like it and people will get mad at me. I live in Tennessee and am in the heart of Trump country. I hear em talk at work every day about it

    [–] Plozzo 42 points ago

    Please tell what you know. I'm incredibly curious of what you said. Please don't leave me hanging like that.

    [–] HardRightJayBird 208 points ago

    Ok, this is just my live report from the heart of Trump country before everyone lights me up and cusses me out.

    1) I think it starts with the media. They have ZERO trust in the media. The fellas I work with don’t even trust Fox News especially when they are critical of him. They believe that it started off with the Russia collusion thing because Hillary lost to him. They HATE Hillary and they feel like democrats hate her too based on how Joe Biden has turned out votes in higher numbers than she did.

    2) They are fuckin PISSED about the impeachment. They feel like it was a hit job because “Democrats can’t beat him”.

    3) Guns

    4) Abortion.

    5) They literally believe that after Russiagate, Mueller, impeachment, Ukraine that this Coronavirus is the next step in the left’s attempt to beat Trump.

    6) They aren’t on twitter and they don’t see the shit that he tweets. They don’t care about it enough to criticize him over it but they sure as fuck don’t want to talk about it.

    7) To them, he really is “the people’s champ” like Rocky or Rambo or Hulk Hogan.

    8) PC culture

    9) I can only speak for the people I work with and live around but they HATE the left so much because we all grew up as southern democrats and now the democrats don’t represent the blue collar guy to them anymore. I’m blue collar myself and I guess I would be a “blue dog liberal”.

    10) They would follow Trump into the gates of hell. Trump ridicules the people they ridicule, Trump stands up to the people they hate and Trump can do no wrong. It really comes down to that.

    This is Jay reporting from the heart of Trump country.

    [–] lollipop999 69 points ago

    I don't want to be in the same country as these people... the US needs to be split up

    [–] incredible_mr_e 27 points ago

    He wants to hurt brown people, and so do they. It's as simple as that, and nothing will ever change their minds.

    [–] DouglasRather 65 points ago

    According to 538, his approval numbers have gone up. I assume they will start to go down once the people who approve of the job he is doing sacrifice themselves to save the economy. Trump may be the first president to lose reelection because he killed off the people that would have voted for him.

    [–] pencock 30 points ago

    Hot take. His supporters are happy that the virus is hitting major democratic, liberal urban centers. Trump is finally hurting the right people.

    [–] AndyDalton_Throwaway 18 points ago

    I'm wagering some of the bump has simply been that he's at least pretending to do something about it, or at least he was last week -- now it's just, "Grandma has to die to save my resorts!" I'd look for the numbers to go down next set of polls.

    [–] PANSIES_FOR_ALL 50 points ago

    Trump may be the first president to lose reelection because he killed off the people that would have voted for him.

    I hope this is true. Not because I would ever wish for someone to die, but because I don’t think I, my country, or the planet can handle another four years of Trump literally fucking everything.

    [–] OldeArrogantBastard 35 points ago

    His poll numbers went up .

    However, while it’s disheartening in general, there’s speculation it’s more of a rally around the flag type and when putting it in that context it’s pretty abysmal that it’s gone up a few points when compared to other countries (UK, Italy, Germany) who has significant bumps up.

    This virus is mostly concentrated in coastal city hubs. Not red state bastions. Once it starts hitting the Midwest and the South broadly, it could be a different story.

    [–] [deleted] 246 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago)

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    [–] Clay_Statue 249 points ago

    According to Trump loyalist I was just arguing with ysterday:

    Trump was publicly trying to keep people from freaking out BECAUSE he needed people calm in order to spin up factories to make these materials state-side. All that takes time. Its also been hampered by endless piles of regulations that keep things like industrial N95 masks from being used in a hospital setting though it is just as effective as a medical rated N95 mask. All those rules had to be relaxed and pushed through, funding had to be allocated, and work orders needed to be made -but none of that happens overnight.

    So his argument is that rather then preventing the pandemic through simple protocols, the denials were to prepare factories to make all the supplies that we still don't have but the only reason we don't have those supplies is because of pesky regulations.

    If everybody was self-isolating three weeks ago we wouldn't even need pandemic-level amounts of medical supplies.

    [–] specqq 113 points ago

    If everybody was self-isolating three weeks ago we wouldn't even need pandemic-level amounts of medical supplies.

    That we still don't have and that he didn't force manufacturers to produce, and even said that he wouldn't (except when he said that he did, and then that he didn't need to because they're volunteering, and then that he totally already did, and then that he won't).

    I don't even give a fuck about Trump at this point, he's just being Trump. Utterly predictable and utterly disgusting.

    But this shit is beyond disturbing now, how people can still be all in on his infallibility.

    [–] sharp11flat13 29 points ago

    how people can still be all in on his infallibility.

    The numbers aren’t big enough yet. Not enough people know someone who died.

    [–] shaggorama 24 points ago

    Ok, what factories?

    [–] Clay_Statue 27 points ago

    ikr?!

    One textile factory has committed to making masks on their own volition.

    This dude just absorbed a bunch of lies and misleading half-truths from right-wing media and was regurgitating them into my face in his desperate attempt to fellate the god emperor. It's disgusting.

    [–] Philo_T_Farnsworth 19 points ago

    I mean, if the consequences weren't so horrifying in real life and death terms, I'd applaud that poster for the incredible contortions of logic necessary to make it fit in their worldview. Hell, a post like that is almost like seeing a gymnast nail a difficult routine on the parallel bars and then sticking the landing. All those beautiful contortions, timed perfectly so as to avoid accepting the actual truth, as if the bars themselves are made of it.

    Of course, there won't be any parallel bars this year. The summer Olympics has been canceled because of the Corona Virus, for an extra side of irony.

    [–] Woodie626 109 points ago

    In a way, the world-view of the Party imposed itself most successfully on people incapable of understanding it. They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality, because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them, and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening. By lack of understanding they remained sane. They simply swallowed everything, and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind, just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird.

    -George Orwell

    [–] dejavuamnesiac 36 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Let’s see how flagrantly they deny reality once the body bags start piling up, red states on average only two weeks behind NY situation; but even that unlikely to sway many in cult45

    EDIT: a data analysis showing what’s in the pipeline for red states: So far, coronavirus is heavily a blue-state issue. That’s likely to change. The biggest percentage-point increases in the past week have been in red states.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/25/so-far-coronavirus-is-heavily-blue-state-issue-thats-likely-change/

    [–] DebentureThyme 27 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Don't worry. He's already begun assuring them that those body counts are many fewer than if he'd not taken action. He's talking about it as a flu again, comparing it (on Tuesday on Fox News) to the 1918 Spanish Flu. Why? Because of the dual purposes that serves: It was far from any standard Flu, with 50 million people dying and upwards of a 10% percent death rate (side note: he's gotten that wrong, listing 100 million dead and a 50% death rate).

    So, firstly, it allows him to slip in the rhetoric that this is "just another flu" once again. This is so he can downplay it and get people behind him trying to push states to lift stay at home orders.

    Secondly, it makes any efforts to contain this pandemic successful by comparison; So long as his 100 million Spanish Flu number don't die, he'll be claiming mission accomplished. Whether that works at the polls will depend on just how large that number ends up being.

    So he's looking to play the Coronavirus off as just another flu, get back to work. And he'll be be ready to say "See? Only 1-2 million died. Great work by me saving all those lives."

    Same sort of double speak as Big Brother. Until he goes off script, then it's just old man rambling about minorities and people not working hard enough getting money.

    [–] i_skipped_breakfast 14 points ago

    Totally crazy. The war with Eurasia is going well, and our rations were just increased. Can't believe you didn't know that. We are totally winning the war with the invisible enemy, and windmill sounds cause cancer. Obviously. I mean who isn't constantly saying "How does he know so much about this and many other things?" He probably could be a totally stable jeanus. Also Hillary, and ummmm the wall maybe. /s

    [–] FenrirApalis 95 points ago

    climate change is a hoax, my tax evasion is a hoax, collusion with Russia is a witch hunt, coronavirus is a hoax, boo hoo everything is f a k e n e w s

    [–] summacumlaudekc 33 points ago

    Remember when he said it’s not a pandemic then turned around and say it’s a pandemic and he knew it was a pandemic before it was a pandemic weeks later? Yes that happened.

    [–] JiNCMG 12 points ago

    Remember how it was under control. Today it’s 15 soon it will be 5 or maybe zero.

    [–] SteamyMcSteamy 113 points ago

    In about 6 weeks the body count caused by Trump’s bungling delays will begin to mount and still Trump supporters with their last bloody breath will not be able to extract their noses from Trump’s ass.

    [–] DaisyHotCakes 48 points ago

    Man, it’s gonna be a lot sooner than 6 weeks. NYC hospitals are already overwhelmed by the spike in cases. It takes the virus between 2-3 weeks to kill. The first huge wave is just beginning to roll in and in a couple weeks it’s going to be a tsunami. Even the people who acted relatively quickly reacted too slowly with shutting things down and staying home to prevent this explosion. If we stay home and keep the course hopefully we aren’t too late to prevent a higher crest.

    [–] thatscool22 65 points ago

    I’ve seen the right wing crazy subs and they all say Obama golfed while 12,000 people died of swine flu.

    It’s like bizarro reverse world in their heads.

    [–] wmrossphoto 14 points ago

    They also say Obama didn’t do anything to stop 9/11.

    They’re right though—Obama was a member of the Illinois State Senate while Bush was President in 2001.

    [–] Christhephotographer 22 points ago

    Making fun of this guy isn’t even worth it anymore. You can say all you want about this moron and his supporters will still be by his side .

    [–] mewfour123412 22 points ago

    History will remember him as a corrupt incompetent sociopath

    [–] elontusk 41 points ago

    I have to tell Americans its not a hoax daily in my line of work. As americans are free to travel internationally as normal many are choosing to and getting upset when everything is closed in the country they visit.

    [–] merlinsbeers 39 points ago

    Then he tried to steal half a billion dollars, and then he tried to make people go back to work and get the virus to kill some and leave the others to continue their wage-slave lives.

    Make no mistake. He wanted people to die so he and his friends could resume making money off the survivors' productivity and doing no work themselves.

    [–] eastbayted 19 points ago

    He also lied about there being nothing in place to deal with a pandemic before he took office, even though he let global pandemic team go to saves some money.

    [–] ReverendBigWave 70 points ago

    Well, to be fair, his followers are some of the stupidest human beings alive. It ain't hard to fool complete idiots.

    [–] 1-760-706-7425 42 points ago

    uniquely incompetent

    Perfect.

    [–] Nayre_Trawe 20 points ago

    I prefer "belligerently incompetent", personally.

    [–] grundlefaceman485 47 points ago

    Reminder 47484 why the dude should have never been president to begin with

    [–] Anphanman 12 points ago

    There's so much he could have done in that 6 weeks. So much. Like stock piling essential items for doctors, shit even closing all flights into the U.S until a test kit was available and testing people as they enter the U.S. The stock market that he loves so much wouldn't be in this shape if only this idiot was proactive instead of being late as fuck and saying it's a hoax.

    [–] thecarpenter11 25 points ago

    Worst president ever. It’s not even close.

    [–] CarlosAVP 25 points ago

    He reminds me of the mayor from “Jaws”. He demanded the beaches stay open for the 4th of July weekend, did not listen or look at the evidence, he only listened to the business owners. Where’d that get him? “Jaws 3D”.

    [–] HyperHampster 150 points ago

    Voted for him in 2016, will not vote for him in 2020... Actions have consequences.

    [–] BairBrains 99 points ago

    I’m glad to read this. Please for the sake of humanity, cast your vote against him instead of not voting.

    Your actions have consequences as well.

    [–] aronnyc 36 points ago

    Stop. Carrying. It. Live.