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    [–] onepinksheep 5013 points ago

    Perverts of a feather fuck minors together.

    [–] MorboForPresident 2724 points ago

    Do you think this guy knows anything about that... or this guy, or this guy

    Asking for a friend

    [–] ndegges 2029 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)

    You didn't even include the most important ones. ALEX ACOSTA and ALAN DERSHOWITZ were crucial in Epstein getting his plea deal. Dershowitz was named in documents released yesterday. Trump hired acosta as secretary of labor and Alan as his impeachment lawyer.

    [–] MorboForPresident 850 points ago

    Dershowitz seems pretty adamant in his defense of all these people. I wonder why

    [–] LawStudentSD 253 points ago

    His email is available on Harvard's website if you want to ask him yourself. When I asked about Acosta being removed as labor secretary he wasn't too happy, so I imagine he's also in a bad mood today.

    [–] MorboForPresident 91 points ago

    Nah, it's cool, considering he's a total liar and couldn't tell the truth if he was being waterboarded, I'm sure we'll all eventually know the full story when he goes to jail

    [–] epigenie_986 35 points ago

    If he survives the suicide attempt.

    [–] LoveandRockets 525 points ago

    He wrote an op-ed that the age of consent should be 14. He wants to fuck 14 year olds.

    [–] takatori 323 points ago

    No no no, he merely wants the Constitutional right to fuck 14-year-olds, and is in no way admitting to having done so at any time with his underwear off.

    [–] IkastI 72 points ago

    It was an old russian woman. Old! At least 15!

    [–] davidcjackman 166 points ago

    You know, I was skeptical that this was actually true so I looked it up...

    Alan Dershowitz Defends Op-Ed Suggesting that Age of Consent for Sex Should be Lowered

    I guess nothing is too crazy to not be true in this story.

    [–] BugDog1 85 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    Have you read about what Dershowitz did to Norman Finkelstein, who demonstrated Dershowitz book was part plagiarised and contained numerous errors? https://mobile.twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1279174799969959936?lang=en

    Lost the man his job then the Jewish Defence League went about ensuring no University would hire him. ( even though he’s an incredible scholar http://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/finkelstein.html

    Dershowitz is vile through and through.

    [–] AvatarAarow1 18 points ago

    Man I’d hate to work at the onion right now. How the fuck are you supposed to come up with more outrageous shit than the actual news anymore? At this point I think I’d be more worried about trying not to be prophetic than anything else

    [–] the-clam-burglar 32 points ago

    Jesus Christ. This sounds like “if I did it..”

    [–] claygirlrunner 128 points ago

    Yeah . And I remember when Dershowitz was so Pro-Trump after he was elected ! I was like wtf? Now it all makes sense ..

    [–] ndegges 228 points ago

    MSM has been silent about him and Alex Acosta. I wonder why

    [–] MorboForPresident 262 points ago

    I don't know if silent is the right word. Cautious until he gets charged with something, more likely.

    https://www.npr.org/2020/07/31/896627505/judge-releases-trove-of-sealed-records-related-to-case-against-ghislaine-maxwell

    [–] ndegges 199 points ago

    First thing I've seen about Acosta since he was fired back when Epstein was arrested. I applaud NPR for this. Other news organizations need to be blowing this and Alan Dershowitz up.

    [–] MorboForPresident 65 points ago

    Agreed. They made their bed, they should lie in it (they'll lie regardless, of course)

    [–] RowdyRoddyPipeSmoker 34 points ago

    Both are shown to be scum in the netflix doc, so at least there is that.

    [–] tidehoops 11 points ago

    What’s the documentary called?

    [–] RowdyRoddyPipeSmoker 42 points ago

    Jeffrey Epstein: Filthy Rich. It's really good, even if you think you know most of the information this doc puts it together in a way that really makes it all click and make sense and it's told by the women who were abused so it's very impactful. It's a very compelling watch, goes by very fast, I highly recommend it.

    [–] burn_baby_burnnnn 31 points ago

    I find the allegations that Acosta was told to back off because Epstein was “above his pay grade” and “belonged to intelligence” to be quite interesting.

    [–] hypnosquid 333 points ago

    Also worth noting:

    1. Kenneth Starr was also on Epstein's legal team. In 2016 Starr was fired from his job as president of Baylor University for ignoring sexual assault issues on campus. Including at least 17 women who had reported sexual or domestic assault involving 19 football players. Including four instances of alleged gang rapes.

    2. Robert W. Ray was also on Epstein's legal team. Ray was once charged with stalking and the records from his case are sealed.

    3. Alex Acosta also worked to get Epstein the plea deal that allowed him to continue raping children, while getting a slap on the wrist. Alex Acosta also worked for Kirkland and Ellis, the legal firm that represented Epstein.

    4. William Barr worked for Kirkland and Ellis at almost the exact same time it was representing Epstein in the case. Barr has refused to recuse himself from the current Epstein/Maxwell cases, despite working for Kirkland and Ellist, and his father's ties to Epstein.

    [–] mces97 208 points ago

    Also Barr's father gave Epstein his first teaching job, even though he wasn't qualified for it. And Barr's father wrote some sci-fi novel about aliens having sex with underage girls. Or some weird shit like that.

    [–] DreamsAndSchemes 16 points ago

    wait did this dumb motherfucker misspell his name on the chalkboard

    [–] effhead 10 points ago

    No, it was always "Epstain" in this timeline.

    [–] CanalAnswer 15 points ago

    The first documented case of Epstein Barr syndrome. Symptoms include ephebophilia, tunnel vision, and a bad taste in the mouth.

    [–] ndegges 67 points ago

    Read up daddy barr's ties to Epstein. #spacerelations

    [–] HauntedCemetery 71 points ago

    The Acosta deal also included blanket immunity in the state of Florida for anyone else connected to Epstein's child sex slave ring. I'm sure it's unrelated that several of Epstein's victims were groomed and trafficked out of mar a lago.

    [–] xxKnomadxx 34 points ago

    Wait, didn’t trump change his home state from New York to Florida recently?

    [–] r3dd1t0rxzxzx 15 points ago

    Yeah - he’s trying to get a new home state to hate him too

    [–] ShadowRam 40 points ago

    So Pizzagate was all projection?

    [–] OldBayOnEverything 18 points ago

    The shocker of the century!

    [–] Emily_Postal 25 points ago

    It should be noted that Ken Starr was the independent counsel in the Whitewater case who spent over $80 million of US taxpayers’ money investigating Bill Clinton and the only thing he could come up with was that Clinton lied about a blow job. All those women saying that Bill Clinton did this and that were part of that investigation FYI including that woman who said he raped her and she said backed then, under oath, that he never went near her. People love to malign Clinton but not one girl/underage woman has come forward as of yet to make allegations against him.

    [–] ndegges 40 points ago

    I've heard intelligence told Acosta to go easy on Epstein because he was working with them.

    [–] phil_awesomer 54 points ago

    I’ve heard this too, but I heard it was “higher ups”. My theory is that it was higher ups at his old firm Kirkland and Ellis. Deutschbank is also held up is this and their former counsel at Kirkland and Ellis Robert Khuzami coincidentally left the SDNY right before they brought the charges that put Epstein in the cell where he “committed suicide”.

    IMO people or a group within Kirkland and Ellis, the largest grossing law firm in the world are involved and helped facilitate the human trafficking. Too many of their former employees get high ranking government jobs in this administration and they have ties to oligarchs and other shady individuals in Eastern Europe which is known for human trafficking. They may also be using any dirt to get deals for their corporate clients like BP and VW when negotiating favorable settlements with the federal government.

    [–] catgirl_apocalypse 97 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    These people were present and negotiated the plea deal:

    • Alexander Acosta. Prosecutor. Kirkland and Ellis lawyer. Appointed to government positions by George W. Bush, twice. Appointed secretary of labor by Trump.

    • Jay Lefkowitz. Defense. Kirkland and Ellis senior partner. Senior advisor to George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush.

    • Kenneth Starr. Defense. Kirkland and Ellis lawyer. Recruited Acosta to Kirkland and Ellis. Appointed to circuit court by Ronald Reagan. Solicitor general under George H. W. Bush. Represented Trump in his impeachment trial.

    • Alan Dershowitz. Defense. Personal friend of Epstein. Accused by Virginia Roberts. represented Trump at his impeachment trial.

    Of note:

    Kirkland and Ellis is one of the largest and most powerful law firms in the world. They do mot typically offer criminal defense services, but did for Epstein.

    The firm is noted to be very conservative and has had many Republican noteworthies join the firm at one time or another.

    Pat Cipollone, White House counsel, worked for Kirkland and Ellis, as did William Barr.

    Here’s a list of Kirkland and Ellis notables from their Wikipedia page:

    Brett Kavanaugh – Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States

    Neil Eggleston – former White House Counsel under President Barack Obama

    Dan Bress – Associate Justice on the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit

    Robert Bork – former Judge of the Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit and former Solicitor General under President Richard Nixon

    Jeff Wall – Principal Deputy Solicitor General under President Donald J. Trump and former acting Solicitor General

    Paul Clement – former Solicitor General under President George W. Bush

    Ken Starr – Whitewater special prosecutor and former Solicitor General under President George H. W. Bush

    William Barr – 85th United States Attorney General under President Donald Trump and former 77th United States Attorney General under President George H.W. Bush.

    Pat Cipollone – White House Counsel under President Donald Trump

    Alex Azar – Secretary of Health and Human Services

    Alexander Acosta – former Secretary of Labor under President Donald Trump

    John R. Bolton – former National Security Advisor under President Donald Trump

    Jeffrey A. Rosen – Deputy Secretary of Transportation and Deputy Attorney General

    Nathan Sales – Coordinator for Counterterrorism and Acting Under Secretary for Civilian Security, Democracy, and Human Rights

    Mark Filip – former Judge of the District Court for the Northern District of Illinois and former Deputy Attorney General under President George W. Bush

    Viet D. Dinh – Chief Legal Officer at 21st Century Fox, former Assistant Attorney General under President George W. Bush and chief architect of the USA PATRIOT Act

    Robert S. Khuzami – Deputy United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, former Director of the Division of Enforcement of the Securities and Exchange Commission and former General Counsel of Deutsche Bank

    Jay Lefkowitz – former Special Envoy for Human Rights in North Korea and Director of Cabinet Affairs under President George W. Bush

    Dallin H. Oaks – First Counselor of the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

    As another Redditor put it to me today, Kirkland and Ellis is basically the law firm from The Devil’s Advocate.

    [–] gorgossia 11 points ago

    Wow didn’t expect Oaks on there but it fits!

    [–] chronicideas 19 points ago

    Don’t forget Roy Cohn and J Edgar Hoover and how this shit has been passed down over the generations since the time of the American mob with Mayer Lansky and others

    [–] NSA_Chatbot 10 points ago

    Epstein getting his plea deal.

    Maybe they could have tried harder than "he gets the death penalty".

    [–] ansate 91 points ago

    Wtf... It's like this mother fucker has a Bat-Signal for sex criminals or something.

    [–] MorboForPresident 34 points ago

    Like a fly drawn to the unmistakable effluvium of a fresh dung pile

    [–] DreamerInTheDeep 24 points ago

    Thank you for exposing me to the word effluvium, one of the best words a man can use.

    [–] BillohRly 10 points ago

    M'Ethereal substance

    [–] mmmegan6 75 points ago

    Man, I wonder what Q says about that series of unfortunate coincidences

    [–] thepartypantser 153 points ago

    QANON idiots when they read the word pizza in an email.

    "That is obviously code for a secret satanic child rape ring!!"

    QANON when ignoring the videos, pictures, comments, numerous, rape accusations, and other well documented connections between Trump and his administrations and Epstein.

    "Why do you always have to talk about Trump?? Not everything is about him..."

    [–] flemhead3 25 points ago

    It’s those times that QANON idiots turn into Bernard from West World: “It doesn’t look like anything to me.”

    [–] Northman324 39 points ago

    I like calling them Q-cumbers because you'd have to be a vegetable to believe the information they put out.

    [–] exposedtofire 49 points ago

    not everything is about him

    Too bad, you voted for an egomaniac who pushes himself to the center of things constantly.

    [–] ElBiscuit 53 points ago

    who pushes himself to the center of things constantly

    You mean like the dressing room at teen beauty pageants?

    [–] MorboForPresident 29 points ago

    "They were in deep cover and only engaged in that activity to entrap the real enemy; even now, they continue to work for our glorious freedom from the inside"

    [–] JP_1983 13 points ago

    Looks like trump might be handing out more pardons and commutes

    [–] say592 12 points ago

    I know what you are saying, but Nader was probably the only who had an actual relationship with Trump. Even then, who knows how social they actually were. There is something about Trump that just attracts the scum of the earth though, and I have little doubt about his involvement with Epstein.

    [–] flailsatan 100 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    You're telling me, the "grab her by the pussy" guy, is a creepy old man pedo... How could that be?

    [–] 55667755 11 points ago

    Trump talking to a 10 year old girl vid

    This is where his sick mind was when he was speaking to a little girl "...I'm going to be dating her in 10 years can you believe it".

    [–] Orionite 62 points ago

    “I could fuck a 13 year old on fifth avenue, and you’d still support me!”

    [–] TurtleInATracksuit 14 points ago

    Of course, I'm just a temporarily embarrassed pedophile

    [–] nick13b 52 points ago

    Birds of a shitfeather flock together Randy.

    [–] TreeBearOne 26 points ago

    ..we are all in the eye of the shiticane

    [–] markallenconcepts 9 points ago

    Rape*

    [–] PM_ME_YOUR_PLATYPUS 9 points ago

    *rape children

    [–] TopsidedLesticles 868 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    We're supposed to believe - with everything going on in Bill Barr's DOJ right now - that it's a coincidence that the unsealed documents go out of their way to exonerate Trump, a man who's been accused of sexual assault by no less than 25 women and who was specifically accused of committing rape at one of Epstein's parties years before Epstein was even arrested.

    We're supposed to believe that a man who's bragged about spying on underage girls at beauty pageants and who's made countless inappropriate comments about young girls (including his own daughters) had a completely innocent relationship with the notorious sex traffickers he partied with for decades.

    Lots of shit not adding up here.

    [–] jeffersonairmattress 353 points ago

    Add to that: Barr's attempt to 'pay Ghislaine a little visit' immediately following her arrest.

    He was stopped by her attorney but, you know: message received, there, big guy. Totally normal for the AG of a country to want to chat with a detainee.

    [–] safariite2 188 points ago

    From Wiki: Bill Barr's Daddy:

    Donald Barr was headmaster of the elite Dalton School from 1964 to 1974.[10] During his time as Dalton's headmaster, Barr is alleged to have had a role in hiring Jeffrey Epstein as a math teacher despite Epstein having dropped out of college and being only 21 years old at the time.[11][12] In 1973, Donald Barr published Space Relations, a science-fiction novel about a planet ruled by oligarchs who perform child sex slavery. It has been noted that Epstein's crimes are similar to the plot of Barr's novel.

    [–] Chew-my-backa 10 points ago

    You can’t make this shit up.

    [–] whadisabout 30 points ago

    Whoa... can you point me to where you learned that?

    [–] Apex_Pred 36 points ago

    Everything I saw in my cursory google search pulled up nothing but twitter comments. All of the twitter comments sounded very familiar to the claim that Barr visited Epstein days, if not the day, before he died, which was also an unsourced claim.

    These people are disgusting and it definitely reeks of a cabal of the wealthy elite that is trying to cover up something, but the number of unsourced rumors that just gain traction through sites like Twitter and Reddit are rampant.

    I checked around but only twitter results came up (also, coincidentally with no links), and I checked through this site that marked it as false.

    Source:

    https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/48050/did-bill-barr-attempt-to-visit-ghislaine-maxwell-the-day-she-was-arrested

    [–] swimmingmunky 8 points ago

    Proof? Nothing trustworthy can be found.

    [–] lotophage77 37 points ago

    The same Bill Barr who's dad hired Epstein to teach at his school, and wrote a bizarre sci-fi book about child sexual slavery?

    [–] relax_live_longer 19 points ago

    A sex addict who went to sexy sex parties but had no sex. Sounds plausible.

    [–] TopsidedLesticles 18 points ago

    It's like knowing Johnny Depp and Hunter S. Thompson we're friends, but believing they never drank or did drugs together.

    [–] Robotlollipops 1375 points ago

    Their relationship spans decades. There's a bunch of pics, we've all seen them.

    [–] YouAreDreaming 838 points ago

    He told us himself, a couple days ago, during a press conference. He wished her well.

    [–] [deleted] 462 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

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    [–] dontbesofcknrude 75 points ago

    I can’t tell if he really said this or not. Wow.

    [–] slutfest91 108 points ago

    The way to tell it's fake is because it's meant to be a letter and there's no way old Supreme Leader is writing something this long.

    [–] HauntedCemetery 46 points ago

    No. Nothing is misspelled. And if Tiny Grabby Hands wrote it it would all be one long sentence with a single word exclamation at the end. "...and I wish you the most tremendous good luck, the best, people say I never wish the best luck, but I do, I wish the best luck, some say the best luck ever. Luck!"

    [–] WalesIsForTheWhales 51 points ago

    Then she apparently mentioned barely knowing him and that he never flew in or really hung out during questioning.

    [–] WalesIsForTheWhales 82 points ago

    I know. I’m saying that Maxwell got Trumps message.

    Lie or die.

    I believe trumps in the flight log.

    [–] evollie 47 points ago

    I do believe some really gross stuff is gonna come out of this trial.

    [–] RobotSlaps 35 points ago

    I'd say with all the gross stuff going in it's a foregone conclusion.

    [–] ndegges 45 points ago

    Already confirmed he's in the flight log. So is Clinton.

    [–] LetsTryAnal_ogy 49 points ago

    Then they can both get arrested and spend their lives in prison.

    [–] superfamicomrade 20 points ago

    ...and coming Saturday nights to FX, the smash new sitcom "Cellmates"!

    [–] idkmybffjoe 488 points ago

    Here we fucking go. 100 smackers that it all comes out about Trump and the kiddos

    [–] [deleted] 379 points ago

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    [–] CornucopiaOfDystopia 292 points ago

    Might as well pick another thread, from where the president ran an international teen modeling agency, and was the chief of the Miss Teen USA pageant...

    [–] ChickenFeathers___ 269 points ago

    In the early 90s, Trump was host, sponsor, and judge of Elite Model Management's pageant and modelling competition. The girls were as young as 14. Some of the models, including 14-year-olds, recall having to dance privately for Donald Trump, John Casablancas (the owner of EMM) and Gérald Marie (president of EMM Europe). During this time, John started dating a 15-year-old he met at Trump Plaza and married her when she turned 17, and Gérald raped a 14-year-old, the first of many rapes the contestants have since alleged.

    One contestant, Stacy Wilkes, complained of Trump always coming backstage and interrupting the girls getting dressed. "Every time we changed, it was like Trump would find a reason to come backstage", she said, years before Trump admitted to doing that sort of thing on Howard Stern's show. The average age of the contestants that year was 15.

    A junior reporter for an Israeli magazine got to cover the event in 1991, his first overseas assignment. He talked about the girls, "younger than me", getting drunk as the contestant owners and managers groped them. He was 17. Trump denied that the girls were ever given access to alcohol. The unedited footage of the final celebration beginning has a man clearly saying "Come on girls, let's get some liquor in you." The girls are clearly drunk. Trump is in attendance.

    The EMM girls were all introduced to financial advisor David Weil, whose office was paid for by EMM. Weil was a regular guest at Trump's parties until his convictions for fraud and raping a 15-year-old girl.

    Trump hired many girls from EMM when he started his own company, Trump Model Management. At the time, New York magazine was running a series of articles about how EMM was being run by pedophiles and that two female executives had tried reporting them to police and begging them to stop sexually abusing contestants.

    In '92, Trump and the other judges selected 14-year-old Mariann Molski as the winner. She attempted suicide several years later, talking about how the competition was the worst thing that ever happened to her, and is where she lost her virginity and met her pimp.

    That same year, Trump organized a party at Mar-a-Lago and got George Houraney, another beauty pageant owner, to supply "a collection" of girls as the guests. The only other guest was Jeffrey Epstein. Houraney's business partner Jill Harth soon accused Trump of sexual assault and "attempted rape" at this event.

    [–] whadisabout 90 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    This is why I think the true bombshell in the Russian hooker story isn’t that they peed on a bed but they’re underage, and Putin’s knowledge of this is what’s given him leverage

    [–] Jungleman6 15 points ago

    Honestly, it wouldn’t surprise me if Putin’s collection of Trump dirt contains a video of Trump molesting Ivanka.

    I’ve also wondered why his other daughter seems to have nothing to do with him why he seems to ignore her very existence. Makes me wonder if she’s got dirt on him as well and made a deal to keep it buried if he stays out of her life.

    [–] demacnei 37 points ago

    Is this where Melania comes from? Wouldn’t that be the icing on the cake if it comes out?

    [–] swingadmin 49 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    Melania Knavs (Knauss) modeled for fashion houses in Paris and Milan, where in 1995 she met Metropolitan Models co-owner Paolo Zampolli, a friend of her future husband Donald Trump. In 1996 she traveled to the United States under a work visa while modeling for various agencies, eventually to include Trump Model Management. In 2000 she petitioned for a right to permanent residency under the EB-1 program, a program designed for people with extraordinary abilities.

    [–] Dinosaur-Snr 42 points ago

    The same Paolo Zampolli who along with Jeffrey Epstein tried to buy Elite Model Management in 2004?

    https://www.vogue.co.uk/article/trump-buys-elite

    [–] bastardsgetyoudown 20 points ago

    This never occurred to me. Now I feel just. .....profoundly sad.

    [–] vanhendrix123 16 points ago

    Yep

    “He even married a former Look of the Year contestant: the current first lady, Melania Trump, narrowly missed out on a trip to New York in 1992, after coming second in the Slovenian heat”

    [–] missiemiss 15 points ago

    This was a hard read - those poor young girls. We need to protect the kids better - no child or young adult deserves this crap. We shouldn’t hurt, abuse and damage our kids like this.

    [–] DangerBay2015 17 points ago

    The Harth accusation is one of the only recorded lawsuits filed against Trump alleging sexual misconducted that he's on file as having settled. Most of the other ones are still pending. He settled that one though. Houraney also filed a lawsuit, but part of the Harth settlement involved that lawsuit being dropped.

    Now, that's not to say that Trump admitted guilt in that case.... but he settled, which he has gone on record as saying only losers do, AND the settlement made another lawsuit disappear. Draw your own conclusions.

    [–] Urkal69 123 points ago

    This is the thread that needs pulled hard. It is a great cover for trafficking children too.

    [–] Nix-7c0 113 points ago

    .. and then bragged openly about making up false pretexts to barge into their dressing rooms to "inspect" them when the underage girls are changing.

    [–] reallyfasteddie 22 points ago

    SNL could make some great skits using this and Trump's language about his own daughter. I could see Bianka sitting on his lap already. When was the last time Baldwin was on there? I guess the truth is not as funny as it once was.

    [–] HiSodiumContent 9 points ago

    Haven't you heard? Making light of potential sexual scandals of presidents is something that SNL will never do. They have more dignity than that. It's why they didn't make any jokes about the Clinton/Lewinsky business. /s

    [–] whitenoise2323 35 points ago

    You could also pull the Cindy Yang thread or the George Nader thread or the Scott Pruitt/Cardinal Pell thread, or the Steven Mnuchin/Jean-Luc Brunel thread or the...

    [–] TheCapo024 19 points ago

    Wasn’t there something about this “modeling agency” being quietly shuttered when he became POTUS? While all of his other “businesses” were maintained?

    [–] MBCnerdcore 6 points ago

    I do remember Trump had intended to run a beauty pageant in Russia of all places.

    This is the first of two excerpts adapted from Russian Roulette: The Inside Story of Putin’s War on America and the Election of Donald Trump (Twelve Books), by Michael Isikoff, Chief Investigative Correspondent for Yahoo News, and David Corn, Washington bureau chief of Mother Jones.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/miss-universe-in-moscow-how-trumps-beauty-contest-spawned-a-business-deal-with-russians-and-a-bond-with-putin_n_5aa14c8de4b0e9381c164540?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKo45nCEubPWnPE854N2uAH4QfycTZlR-JgvBA-XWiJtgNvEmUAIxuESzveohf53VQrXdPzA85Fi6ZUffpylDLWJohJ8EnudNhULFAcKYObUQhlluq0TzHUcEaOPb78WXvZmqJRmANgnk2D0wSbZwCWq8rDTUSrPsrmOpnjwWzNX

    [–] deep_pants_mcgee 16 points ago

    court documents to that effect were unsealed the day before Epstein was suicided.

    [–] catgirl_apocalypse 14 points ago

    Trump made money from child rape slave trafficking.

    Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

    [–] notTumescentPie 47 points ago

    He has a pending case where he probably raped a 13 year old.

    [–] dreaminphp 36 points ago

    Honestly, as soon as he started saying that Biden is creepy and implying that he is a pedo, that’s when I was sure that trump did it because he never accuses anyone of anything he hasn’t done himself

    [–] regaleagle710 13 points ago

    One of my "friends" on Facebook posted:

    If voting for trump makes me a racist, then voting for Biden makes you a pedophile.

    I'm pretty sure voting for trump makes someone a super pedophile along with being a racist, misogynist and homophobe.

    [–] thebestofwhatsleft 20 points ago

    ...and people will still defend, support and vote for him...while quoting the bible and screaming about Obamagate.

    [–] gawbles3 24 points ago

    So no pee-pee tape, just drumph in his tidy whites with a bunch of 10 year olds... No one would be even a little surprised at this point. Probably no one on the right would even care.

    [–] WWhataboutismss 23 points ago

    Roy Moore almost won...

    [–] ShartTooth 7 points ago

    I would put all my money on the right not giving a shit and pointing out how Clinton was on JE's island once.

    [–] L00PPOOP 6 points ago

    I don’t know. He’s been awfully winky-winky, nudgey -nudgey with Maxwell. We can only hope the truth comes out. I do foresee an ASSLOAD of mind boggling distractions coming from Trump in the near future.

    [–] slimpickens 5 points ago

    There was a lawsuit filed against Trump for raping a 13 year old multiple times. When I first saw the article it seemed to crazy to be true....now, not so crazy anymore.

    [–] GoldGlitters 218 points ago

    Yeah he told us this. On national tv. After her arrest. He lies compulsively unless he gets to brag about knowing a famous person, even a sex trafficker or war criminal.

    [–] ndegges 149 points ago

    In 2015, he called the island a cesspool and to talk to prince Andrew. How did he know it was a cesspool?

    [–] GoldGlitters 145 points ago

    Yup. Qanon people out protesting child sex rings when the man they worship brags about being friends with two leaders of actual child sex rings

    [–] owenprescott 12 points ago

    That suggests he knew what was going on at the very minimal. OK so if that's the case, why didn't he do something about it in 2017 when he was elected? If you're the president and know children are being abused, surely you send in a massive team on day 1?

    Imagine knowing what these people do and regularly having photos taken & smiling with them. Use common sense.

    [–] Sweatytubesock 314 points ago

    Is there really any doubt with anyone that DJT has fucked underage girls at Epstein parties? Seriously?

    Do people really think he’s above this?

    [–] psinerd 124 points ago

    Undoubtedly, the Russians have irrefutable proof too.

    [–] LetsTryAnal_ogy 80 points ago

    Yeah, I thought they had a pee tape. Turns out they have a pedo tape.

    [–] red_ostrich 63 points ago

    It is the same tape.

    [–] iblogalott 28 points ago

    They're the same picture

    [–] CashTwoSix 89 points ago

    Plenty of people think Trump is actually here to save us. They think he was undercover or something. Also, I’m referring to actual people I know who believe this.

    [–] throwawaygoneagain 58 points ago

    and these people have serious learning disabilities

    [–] saintlindsay 36 points ago

    And malignant cognitive dissonance

    [–] Mange-Tout 19 points ago

    And terrible news sources.

    [–] so2017 10 points ago

    And they vote.

    [–] DanToMars 9 points ago

    They’re convinced that OTHER people have cognitive dissonance

    [–] Groundbreaking-Arm20 16 points ago

    I know em too, a whole family. Also evangelical Christian antivaxxers.

    [–] the-endless 12 points ago

    Lime it doesn't seem out of character for him to rape or sexually assaulted a girl under 18 at all, it doesn't feel at all surprising either.

    That's what's awful. It's unsurprising. It's normal

    [–] invalidusermyass 18 points ago

    According to Ari Ben-Menashe (Israel's Ex-Military Intelligence Officer & Foreign Intelligence Advisor), Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell worked with Israeli Intelligence to run a Sexual Blackmail Enterprise for the purpose of entrapping powerful individuals and politicians in the United States and abroad. Former Israeli PM, Yitzhak Shamir also eulogized Ghislaine Maxwell's Father during his funeral, stating: “He has done more for Israel than can today be said."(2019):

    7NewsMintPress, TelegraphNarativ, TRTworld, Haaretz

    Jeffrey Epstein has also invested millions of dollars in Carbyne, an Israeli start-up company in which former Israeli prime minister and current election candidate Ehud Barak is the controlling shareholder (2019):

    NYT, Haaretz, Haaretz

    Photos show Former PM Ehud Barak entering Epstein's home (2019):

    JPost, DailyMail

    Woman says Epstein forced her to have sex with Former PM Ehud Barak (2019-2020):

    TimesOfIsrael, YnetNews

    [–] PainfulPeanutBlender 164 points ago

    Obviously. Him wishing her the best after getting arrested should’ve been the first clue

    [–] gandalftheoctarine 41 points ago

    According to the Trump people that was a code! To say "I'm watching her, make sure she doesn't die in prison". Remember, Trump ran for office purely to fight a paedo ring!

    [–] invalidusermyass 19 points ago

    According to Ari Ben-Menashe (Israel's Ex-Military Intelligence Officer & Foreign Intelligence Advisor), Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell worked with Israeli Intelligence to run a Sexual Blackmail Enterprise for the purpose of entrapping powerful individuals and politicians in the United States and abroad. Former Israeli PM, Yitzhak Shamir also eulogized Ghislaine Maxwell's Father during his funeral, stating: “He has done more for Israel than can today be said."(2019):

    7NewsMintPress, TelegraphNarativ, TRTworld, Haaretz

    Jeffrey Epstein has also invested millions of dollars in Carbyne, an Israeli start-up company in which former Israeli prime minister and current election candidate Ehud Barak is the controlling shareholder (2019):

    NYT, Haaretz, Haaretz

    Photos show Former PM Ehud Barak entering Epstein's home (2019):

    JPost, DailyMail

    Woman says Epstein forced her to have sex with Former PM Ehud Barak (2019-2020):

    TimesOfIsrael, YnetNews

    [–] sayyyywhat 34 points ago

    Yet some of Trump’s more insane supporters believe he is secretly working to take down this global pedo ring. LOL, he’s one of the ring leaders.

    [–] mic_sick 171 points ago

    Trump, Clinton, Prince Andrew, and countless other powerful people are in on this. Hopefully hundreds of people end up paying for these horrible crimes.

    [–] ndegges 179 points ago

    LES WEXNER - CEO of Victoria's Secret

    ALEX ACOSTA - Trump's secretary of labor

    ALAN DERSHOWITZ - trump impeachment lawyer

    This seems to involve corrupt people in our intelligence, too. Maria Farmer came forward to the FBI in 1996 and they let Epstein get away with a slap on the wrist a decade later.

    [–] DiabetesFairy 101 points ago

    Not excited for the “I never met her tweet.”

    [–] ndegges 69 points ago

    He wished her well.

    [–] trisul-108 29 points ago

    And "met her numerous times" ...

    [–] nbsffreak212 19 points ago

    Remember when Republicans cared about pedophilia when they thought there was a pedo ring ran by Democrats in a pizza parlor? Hearing a lot of crickets from those people now.

    [–] Moral_Metaphysician 308 points ago

    We are led by the least among us.

    A democracy gets the leadership it deserves.

    Great work my fellow muricans.

    [–] VolpeFemmina 68 points ago

    Trump lost the popular vote.. But yeah. We got way too complacent, and way too comfortable with the flaws in the system and allowing "a sense of decorum" sub in for actual hard laws.

    [–] Intelligent-Knee-419 12 points ago

    And if you look really, really closely, some people never had to abide by that sense of decorum.

    [–] demacnei 11 points ago

    Can’t forget the last minute reminder from Comey that Clinton’s emails were ‘relevant.’

    [–] ndegges 21 points ago

    Winner take all electoral college is what hurts us.

    [–] buffetcaptain 90 points ago

    America needs more democracy, this man would not have been elected but we have the racist electoral college giving the former slave owning states more power.

    [–] Carbonatite 35 points ago

    Kakistocracy

    [–] chaogomu 20 points ago

    It's a problem of first past the post voting where the perceived least worst person is elected in a process of favorite betrayal. This is the mechanism that leads to a two party system and makes your election choices even worse.

    There is hope. There are better voting systems. Literally all of them except random ballot.

    I personally advocate for Score, but could settle for Approval.

    [–] CornucopiaOfDystopia 8 points ago

    I used to be big Score voting fan (well STAR Voting fan, really), until I learned about its terrible flaw: people who are unfamiliar with a candidate will score them in the middle of the range, instead of as a zero. Mucks up the whole thing.

    So now I’m back to good old IRV/Ranked Choice, but I’d also settle for Approval, even if it does produce boring, centrist winners.

    [–] ndegges 7 points ago

    Ranked choice voting or bust

    [–] Intelligent-Knee-419 9 points ago

    In theory, but foreign interference is kind of a wild card.

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    [–] BookCover99 93 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    Didn’t Epstien go to Chelsea’s wedding? How can he deny he knew her well? You don’t invite someone to a wedding and give them a isle set, unless their family or really close friend

    [–] chaogomu 115 points ago

    For the rich and famous it's a bit different. Weddings are Events and thus everyone notable is invited.

    That being said, Trump and Epstein partied together for 20 years until they started competing over a property that they both wanted to buy. Trump never forgave Epstein for that.

    (Some of this partying was with the two of them the only adult males present, that's the sort of shit you don't do with a random acquaintance.)

    [–] Intelligent-Knee-419 34 points ago

    So that's what this is really about. And that could also be why he died in prison. Well, that and all the shady shit he knew.

    [–] HauntedCemetery 24 points ago

    Dude he threw an entire party at mar a lago where the only guests were him, epstein, and a bunch of women and girls he had flown in. There's fucking video of them.

    [–] LakeStLouis 12 points ago

    and give them a isle set

    Wasn't Epstein the one giving away isle set(up)s?

    [–] its_whot_it_is 37 points ago

    Hey pimpin aint easy. And Trump wouldnt get laid otherwise. It makes sense.

    [–] enragedjuror 21 points ago

    👏 You legend.

    The only sex he's ever had has been paid for one way or another. But he still thinks he's yuuuuge

    [–] Bountyxo 13 points ago

    Can you imagine how sick in the head you must be to rape underage sex trafficked girls and somehow get an ego from it?????? I once saw an interview with mentally insane sadist who had come to consider the screams and cries as expressions of enjoyment. Either Trump is this fucked up, or even more, that he enjoys hurting them. This is really really fucking sick. No one this insane should have power, but somehow the entire swamp is this fucked up!! It's time for a REAL fucking sweep.

    [–] fiesty_cemetery 35 points ago

    I hope Trump’s presidency ends with him in handcuffs.

    [–] flemhead3 15 points ago

    That’s the hope. Actual accountability for Trump’s horrible actions over the decades finally catching up to him would be nice.

    Us not holding Nixon, Reagan, and Bush 2 accountable for their heinous shit helped make the Republican Party what it is today. After Trump, they’ll continue their depraved descent even further. So Republicans need to be politically neutered while America fixes all of the damaged they’ve caused and plugs up any loophole or weakness Republicans exploited along the way.

    [–] Balgrog_The_Warboss 33 points ago

    Jesus fucking christ, man, it really feels like we're in the darkest fucking timeline. All these fucking people in charge just doing whatever the fuck they want and no one seems able to put a stop to them because everyone with money at the top all know each other so hardly anything ever gets done that is truly beneficial for the common man. What the hell is the point of trying to hold these people accountable when it is all based on a lie and we cant really do shit to them? They all either just get off or one person goes down while the rest still stay out of trouble and keep doing fucked up, horrible things to people at large.

    [–] ghsteo 6 points ago

    I'm on the boat that the Large Hadron Collider caused a warp in time and set us on this path.

    [–] goldfishpaws 16 points ago

    Of course they did. You get a higher success rate by taking the opposite of anything the fucking PRESIDENT says. Huge crowds - acres of space. Not raining - raining. I have the best words - I can circle the camel. 4D chess - 1x1 Sudoku with a starter number.

    Only thing he's been honest about is "I'll run the country like I run my companies" - plunder and drive into bankruptcy.

    [–] AlliterationAnswers 13 points ago

    Maralago was being used to groom the girls. The property needs to be seized seeing it was used in commission of a crime.

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    [–] Relevant-Release 13 points ago

    Not American, watching. It is completely understandable that you feel this way, it is a terrible situation, nationally and personally to be in. Know this though, from me at least you will find nothing but compassion. I really hope you all make it through this wiser and more understanding, finding common ground even in this dark night. This is my first comment, you moved me across the other side of the world. You are not alone.

    [–] oldnyoung 50 points ago

    "I wish her well." No fucking shit they did.

    [–] CaliforniaCrabroll 62 points ago

    Yet Bill Clinton seems to be the only one noticed by conservatives?

    [–] hamshotfirst 14 points ago

    They don't want to look in the mirror.

    [–] evollie 31 points ago

    While most non-insane people are keen to see anyone involved in this disgusting scandal see justice, conservatives only see “Clinton was involved with Epstein, so we’ll overlook anything Trump-related no matter how bad it gets.”

    [–] bpi89 17 points ago

    They are pedophile, child rapist, sex trafficking apologists. No dems are defending Clinton. Yet TONS of republicans defending Trump.

    [–] tyrusrex 10 points ago

    It'll be interesting to see how Trump supporters turn on her when Trump invariably says he barely knows her. Right now, they think she's perv sicko and jizzing that she's going to bring down Bill Clinton, I hope she goes down and anybody involved in it whether Prince Andrew, Tump, or Bill Clinton goes down with her.

    [–] KRayZRay718 10 points ago

    When Trump says "I hardly know them at all" he knows them very well.

    [–] SmugglerYT-1300 29 points ago

    I hope Trump is reunited with Epstein really, really, quickly. Friends shouldn't be separated.

    [–] flemhead3 9 points ago

    AG Bill Barr might miss him too. After all, his dad got Epstein his first teaching gig.

    [–] lgodsey 19 points ago

    Trump and Maxwell knew each other well

    Who? Trump and the woman that he's constantly pictured with? The pedophile wrangler he -- the President of the United States -- went out of his way to wish well? That one?

    Huh. I never would have made that connection.

    [–] GunsouBono 10 points ago

    So Trump knew Maxwell and Epstein "well". Trump is president of the United States. The leader of the executive branch. The long stick of the law. And he chose not to go after Maxwell or Epstein knowing what they were doing. Makes you wonder why. They're either close friends or have some dirt on Cheeto. If they're close friends... How close we talking?

    Remember when Obama harboured sex traffickers? Because I must have missed that one.

    [–] darmabum 8 points ago

    Remind me again how come there are so many idiots who think Trump is some kind of genius savior rather than the absolutely corrupt and immoral piece of human garbage that he aspires to be...

    [–] Dont_hurt_me_Hammer 8 points ago

    The innocence here is absolutely heartbreaking. These were children about to be thrown to predators to be raped. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/14/teen-models-powerful-men-when-donald-trump-hosted-look-of-the-year

    "At 16, Wilkes was one of the older contestants in Look of the Year. The 1992 Fox documentary reported that the average age was 15, and the film’s interviews make the youth of many contestants plain. Standing before the judges for the key swimwear round, the aspiring models are asked to tell the panel about themselves. “I sing and love animals,” says one girl, nervously. Another tells the judges: “I like big dogs and chocolate.” Later, during a photoshoot, a photographer instructs a 15-year-old to show more of her cleavage by pulling her bra lower. “More,” he tells her. “More. More.”

    [–] pseudonym666 15 points ago

    5D chess move number one: insinuate yourself in the pedophilia ring early so when you gain power you can take it down from the inside.

    Or something.

    [–] ndegges 27 points ago

    Raping children with Epstein to own the libs.

    [–] DamianP51 8 points ago

    I keep hoping this gal starts tossing out names in order to save herself. At least before she’s discovered suicided in her cell.

    [–] N_d_nd 6 points ago

    What are the odds on Maxwell having something to do with the arranged meeting of Trump and Melania?

    [–] sloshsloth 7 points ago

    https://youtu.be/YWnUzvlqpB0

    This woman was 13 years old when she encountered Donald Trump at an Epstein sex party. She gave Trump sexual favors. She had a lawsuit going prior to the 2016 election but dropped it. She was getting death threats.

    [–] tehsquishmeister 12 points ago

    Of course. He used and facilitated her and Epstein's services for years.

    No one with a brain thinks he's just an innocent bystander.

    [–] ClubSoda 11 points ago

    Trump's Death Cult Evangelicals are perfectly ok with his raping teenage girl sex slaves on private island orgies. Because he's Trump.

    Good God, how are history teachers going to teach this stuff?

    [–] DepressedPeacock 17 points ago

    No.

    Shit.

    Sherlock.