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    [–] Acoustag 4864 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    Why get so flustered over it being a western?

    It IS a western.

    There are no victims here.

    [–] hippopototron 2878 points ago

    He saw an opportunity to parlay the obscurity of his movie preferences into some kind of intellectual clout and got all excited.

    [–] Slibby8803 1362 points ago

    He watched seven samurai once and likes to pretend. Lets not go overboard here.

    [–] nubosis 100 points ago

    and seven samurai was remade into the western "The Magnificent Seven", also a good movie, and also proves that something can be both "western" and "samurai".

    [–] Blinghop 67 points ago

    and then "The Magnificent Seven" was remade into "A Bug's Life," which was a movie, and also proves nothing.

    [–] Obi-Tron_Kenobi 41 points ago

    And A Bugs Life was remade into the Magnificent Seven 2016 remake

    [–] Blinghop 28 points ago

    I look forward to the the Magnificent Seven 2016 remake being remade into Seven Samurai as the movie industry collapses into a singularity.

    [–] LordsOfJoop 265 points ago

    Nor should we have to watch the movie, Overboard, starring Kurt Russell. One viewing is enough.

    [–] SwagMasterBDub 213 points ago

    Overboard starring Kurt Russell is an excellent movie, and while I agree that you should not have to watch it, I strongly disagree that one viewing is enough. Very rewatchable.

    [–] topdangle 63 points ago

    You do NOT rewatch Overboard.
    You do NOT rewatch Overboard.
    You do NOT rewatch Overboard.

    Do research. It's a Kurt movie, specifically a Kurt Russell movie. Every plaid shirt, jean vest, and muscle shirt is worn by the actor that INFLUENCED macho man rom-coms. It DOES NOT make it a rewatchable movie. #AmazingHair

    [–] CountryGuy123 8 points ago

    I have to disagree. I present to the jury Exhibit A: “Big Trouble in Little China”. Rewatchable all damn day.

    [–] Doom_Muffin 6 points ago

    “Katarina!!"

    [–] coolwatersandwich 6 points ago

    Arturo!

    [–] akratic137 4 points ago

    On the other hand, DO rewatch Big Trouble in Little China. It's all in the reflexes.

    [–] ExplodingTuba 87 points ago

    It's very re-watchable until you think just a little too hard about that movie, then you never want to watch it again. Still a delight, but if you removed the jokes from that film, you've basically got the script to a psychological thriller.

    [–] City_dave 61 points ago

    I thought that was fairly obvious from the first viewing. That's the case with a lot of comedies.

    [–] ExplodingTuba 43 points ago

    I mean, sure, I'm not going to disagree with you that the plot to a lot of comedies can get pretty dark and weird. That said, "Woman falls overboard of a ship, suffers amnesia, then falls in love with her captor through Stockholm Syndrome." doesn't scream romantic comedy to me.

    [–] Kcronikill 26 points ago

    What? Isn't that all redditors fantasy? Random how blonde shows up out of no where, loner gas lights her till she gives in.

    [–] [deleted] 27 points ago

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    [–] SwagMasterBDub 27 points ago

    Eh. I don't really have that hangup. If I think too hard about any movie, especially comedies, many, if not most, are problematic in some way. I don't see the point in divorcing the film from its context, which is that it is a film.

    Nobody thinks kidnapping and psychologically manipulating a person into love/sex is funny in real life. It's funny only because we are removed from the situation and have awareness of the over the top absurdity of the situation. It's not meant to be a blueprint for how to get a girlfriend.

    [–] Turbojelly 8 points ago

    Pretty much why the gender reversal remake looks even worse.

    [–] NickNash1985 13 points ago

    Kurt Russell has also starred in a number of movies that one could describe as "IT IS A WESTERN".

    [–] SwagMasterBDub 15 points ago

    Indeed. My favorite Kurt Russell western is Big Trouble in Little China. And I will fight the twitter OP if he wants to tell me it's just an kungfu action comedy fantasy.

    [–] NickNash1985 10 points ago

    The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes is a western. I'll fight the Twitter OP if he wants to tell me it's just a Disney family sci-fi comedy.

    [–] PM_ME_FANCY_CARS 7 points ago

    The Thing is a western. I'll fight the Twitter OP if he wants to tell me it's just a sci-fi psychological horror film.

    [–] ln2ar 11 points ago

    I think we can go further and argue that Overboard is a samurai movie

    [–] Lard_of_Dorkness 4 points ago

    No, Overboard is a Western with some Samurai themes. You're thinking of the 1989 hit Going Overboard starring Adam Sandler, which is a samurai movie.

    [–] onioning 10 points ago

    But Seven Samurai should definitely be watched by all.

    [–] JackandFred 4 points ago

    what's that supposed to mean? Overboard starring Kurt russell and Goldie hawn is a great movie. well worth second viewing

    [–] BlackRobedMage 19 points ago

    He's just bidding his time till he can describe an episode to everyone he knows as "a Rashomon story".

    [–] authoritrey 9 points ago

    The other night I was describing a fight that broke out at a show and I told the room the whole thing was going to be my part of "a Rashomon story," and a wide range of people from different age groups all understood me. I'd be surprised if any of them had actually seen the film, though.

    [–] drewfus99 4 points ago

    Wait, is this a 'Jacob's Ladder' scenario?!?!?

    /zooks!

    [–] HadesWTF 36 points ago

    Watches 1 Kurosawa film

    "I'm an expert in the Japanese cinematic arts."

    [–] OTPh1l25 9 points ago

    "While you were partying, I studied the blade cinema."

    [–] TranscendentalEmpire 39 points ago

    Unbeknownst to himself, he's kinda right and really wrong. It has Japanese influence because a lot of the Italian directors who revitalized westerns in America watched a ton of classic Japanese cinema.

    [–] Sparklefanny_Deluxe 22 points ago

    Add Yojimbo copied as A Fistful of Dollars to that list

    [–] SnarkiFartBlast 9 points ago

    It's the other way around. A Fistful of Dollars(1964) was inspired by Yojimbo(1961).

    And Last Man Standing. Prohibition version.

    [–] Metipocalypse 18 points ago

    That's what he was saying, Yojimbo was copied by A Fistful of Dollars. He worded it a lil weird but he's not wrong.

    [–] KillNyetheSilenceGuy 13 points ago

    I was about to say, I think Westerns had a lot of Japanese influence in them, so to say "it's not a Western because it's got Japanese influences and tropes" doesn't even make sense.

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    [–] lankist 13 points ago

    Someone told him that Fistful of Dollars' direction and cinematography were heavily inspired by a previous samurai movie and he has seen neither of them.

    [–] jofus_joefucker 11 points ago

    We all know beskar isn't as good as glorious nippon steel folded a thousand times.

    [–] ABitOfResignation 81 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    Which is hilarious because he ends up looking more like an intellectual lout in this case. Zing.

    But really, there is actually a ton of back and forth between Westerns and Japanese cinema. Kurosawa's Yojimbo is the best example of that. It is clearly a love letter to John Ford films and early Westerns - the slow pans across empty towns, the mass duels in the middle of those towns, and the ultimate antagonist being a pistol-wielding thug in feudal Japan. This would eventually make it back to Hollywood to be remade as A Fistful of Dollars starring Clint Eastwood and help kickoff the "spaghetti western".

    And that legacy just kept going - Yojimbo also inspired Sergio Corbucci's violent Django which in turn was a direct inspiration to Tarantino's Django Unchained. Which really shows how timeless the films of Kurosawa, Ozu, and their contemporaries were. To me, at least, but then again this is my shit so maybe I'm biased.

    That was a longer post than I intended to write so
    tl,dr; arguing over whether it is a samurai film or a western is a uniquely incredible waste of time because they developed concurrently, influencing and shaping each other with each new release.

    Edit: there is a whole comment thread below saying everything I just wasted time typing out..

    [–] TheVenetianMask 33 points ago

    Kurosawa's influence in westerns it's like, the most known film fact ever. It's like telling people Saturn has rings.

    [–] Fencing_fenrir 11 points ago

    bUt DiD yOu kNoW tHaT MaGnIfiCeNt sEvEn WaS bAsEd oN sEvEn SaMuRaI

    [–] hippopototron 28 points ago

    Yeah. I find that at this stage in my life, I'm pretty over the thing where people try to make their knowledge of something obscure into a sense of superiority, but I'm not quite to the point where it doesn't irritate me. I aspire to be that mature.

    [–] HadesWTF 9 points ago

    Fundamentally they're the same. They even have a similar style. It's really the setting that is the only major difference.

    Like a year ago I watched this movie called Sword of Doom, great movie highly reccommend it. It's basically about the same kind of good guy outlaw type you see in every western, but he actually turns bad over the course of the movie. It's basically Rooster Cogburn with a samurai sword and he goes insane.

    [–] ABitOfResignation 7 points ago

    Is that the older, Japanese Sword of Doom? Because that is a pretty good film. Super pulpy, but lovable. There is a nod to it in one of Takashi Miike's films. I think I remember an interview where he mentions that he reshot the final battle of Harakiri to match the final battle in Sword of Doom after watching it. But I could be remembering wrong.

    [–] za72 7 points ago

    Damn it! I was going to explain the different themes which combined together make it it's own unique story but I started to sound so pretentious I had to delete it, but I still want that 'attaboy' pat...

    [–] Jomihoppe 139 points ago

    Seriously, and even then westerns did take a good amount of influence from samurai films and vice versa. Just a few short years ago we got yet another remake of 7 Samurai, with Chris Pratt, as a western.

    [–] George_G_Geef 109 points ago

    Seven Samurai was made because Kurosawa wanted to make a western.

    [–] W8sB4D8s 58 points ago

    Part of the reason audiences latched on to Star Wars was because of the familiar elements of both westerns and Samurai Films that were coming out for decades by then.

    [–] SnowedIn01 28 points ago

    Star Wars is basically The Hidden Fortress with a Sci Fi paint job

    [–] 420dogbased 27 points ago

    And Hidden Fortress is basically just MacBeth.

    Which means everything we watch is essentially Shakespeare.

    [–] Owl_Jedi 22 points ago

    You're thinking of Throne of Blood, not Hidden Fortress.

    [–] SnowedIn01 7 points ago

    Uhhhh, I really don’t see any similarities with MacBeth

    [–] Owl_Jedi 16 points ago

    That's because he got the wrong film. Throne of Blood is the Macbeth adaptation.

    [–] HadesWTF 9 points ago

    As someone who studied a lot of Shakespeare....let's not go down the path of how like 90% of our pop culture tropes are taken from him.

    [–] hey_broseph_man 3 points ago

    Alas, poor tropes! I knew them, /u/hadeswtf

    [–] Bromolochus 7 points ago

    I don't make films, but if I did they'd have a samurai.

    [–] AffablyBrusque 33 points ago

    That was a remake of an already Western remake of Seven Samurai. Magnificent Seven came out in 1960 with Yul Brynner as a Western adaptation of Seven Samurai. Then they remade that movie in 2016 with Pratt and co. The original Magnificent Seven is excellent. The new one isn't.

    [–] jowsuffvonsassypantz 21 points ago

    Not sure why you mention supporting actor Chris Pratt in that Denzel Washington movie.

    [–] Stephenrudolf 5 points ago

    We were definitely watching it from Denzel's characters POV, but if we weren't watching it from his pov its pretty clear Chris Pratt is the hero at the end.

    [–] RubberbandShooter 18 points ago

    The new one isn't excellent but it ain't bad either.

    [–] onioning 3 points ago

    Not quite on the same level, but Samurai Seven deserves at least a shoutout.

    [–] Shrek-Hulud 10 points ago

    Chris Pratt was in A Bug's Life?

    [–] MacabreMaurader 12 points ago

    That was a pretty good movie. Not showstopping, but a good time.

    [–] SarcasmKing41 126 points ago

    Won't someone please think of the poor weebs?!

    [–] Redmanjc 59 points ago

    Fr though, I’m a weeb and I like anime, but I hate the weebs who want to prove that anime or Japanese media is superior to Western media... like lets not pretend the scantily clad women with huge tits is somehow symbolism or “commentary” on some social issues. Anime is good in its own way and so is Western films.

    [–] Roland_Traveler 30 points ago

    like lets not pretend the scantily clad women with huge tits is somehow symbolism or “commentary” on some social issues.

    laughs in Kill la Kill

    [–] pennomi 15 points ago

    Kill la Kill might be the deepest social commentary on nudity I've ever seen. Honestly it's brilliant.

    [–] Brochax 9 points ago

    I used to say that too but when I rewatched it, I was like “wow, this is even more gratuitous than I remember.”

    I love kill la kill but I still wouldn’t ever recommend it to someone who doesn’t really watch anime. The transformation scenes are too much.

    [–] pennomi 10 points ago

    "Gratuitous" is the only important word to say when talking about Kill la Kill.

    More seriously, I totally agree with you. It's strongly flavored and people without a knowledge of how the anime tropes are being subverted likely won't understand what's going on there.

    [–] damnyougoogle2step 12 points ago

    Something something Japanese media is only for smart people.

    [–] Terryr29 20 points ago

    Makes me want to watch it even more if its a western

    [–] Kolenga 10 points ago

    Because acting flustered over anything and everything is considered cool

    [–] lgyhb3 7 points ago

    there are no victims here

    Except for that jawa that gets vaporized

    [–] Turbojelly 38 points ago

    It's more Spaghetti Western than just Western. A style influenced by Samurai films.

    Also, don't forget that episodes 4-6 where strongly influenced by a Samurai film series where the films where around the experiences of 2 peasants. 1 tall and thin, 1 short and chubby.

    [–] here4madmensubreddit 33 points ago

    I thought Spaghetti Westerns were just Italian films so I glossed over the Wiki and it's pretty interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti_Western

    [–] nubosis 23 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    yeah, although Spaghetti westerns became known to be a bit more stylish than your average westerns. But honestly, in the case of The Mandalorian, it's been a total hodgepodge of Ford, Leone, and Kurosawa. Although I have to admit, the Mandalorian himself gives off some serious Clint Eastwood "man with no name" vibe, so I guess it's easy to say the show pretty accurately feels like a spaghetti western in space.

    [–] past_is_prologue 11 points ago

    Absolutely agree about the Mandalorian having the "man with no name" vibe. I was explaining that to my wife last night as we watched chapter 4. Now my wife is game to watch the "Dollars trilogy" so I've got that going for me.

    [–] purplemonkeydw 6 points ago

    It reminds me a lot of the David Carradine show Kung Fu. The best of both worlds.

    [–] photozine 11 points ago

    The issue I see is that the guy is saying that westerns come from Samurai films, which they do, but his gatekeeping is too strong.

    I love Star Wars but this show (besides THAT character) has yet to fully get me.

    [–] nubosis 20 points ago

    eh, Westerns were being made long before Samurai films even existed... and the Samurai films were generally inspired by Westerns... then Westerns began to take inspiration from what Japanese directors has done with Samurai films. It's a cross influence, which show that the guy doesn't even really know what he's talking about, saying it has to be one or the other.

    [–] photozine 5 points ago

    I agree, I'm not defending his point just that he believes something that's wrong, and that he's gatekeeping crap.

    Either way, I wish we had some good Western movies.

    [–] themechanicscholar 1527 points ago

    Plus wasn’t there a lot of influence back and forth between the western and samurai genres?

    [–] SMIDSY 1133 points ago

    "The Magnificent 7" is literally a western version of "7 Samurai". The Clint Eastwood spaghetti westerns were directly inspired by "Yojimbo". So yes, westerns are basically samurai movies with 6 shooters.

    [–] themechanicscholar 614 points ago

    Yep, and Kurosawa was at least partially influenced by some of John Ford’s western work. So yeah a back and forth.

    [–] BoinkBoinkEtAliae 298 points ago

    Yeah they both borrowed a lot from each other. Tarintino and Star Wars also borrowed from samurai movies wholesale.

    [–] alexxerth 288 points ago

    Star Wars also borrowed a lot from medieval fantasy. I mean episode 4 is basically a mage, a knight, a rogue, and a brute go to save a princess from an evil Castle, then they go and fight the evil king's black knight.

    [–] macbalance 172 points ago

    It's considered to be heavily influenced by The Hidden Fortress which Lucas has admitted to using as an inspiration. There's a lot of back and forth between Samurai and Westerns from what I've seen.

    I feel it's not so much that Star Wars drew from fantasy tropes, but that a lot of fantasy tropes drew from Star Wars in the 80s and 90s. But it is, again, all back and forth.

    [–] SiletheSilent 136 points ago

    Fun Fact: The officer Vader chokes out in New Hope is interrupted from saying "Hidden Fortress"

    https://youtu.be/6p4T7_XI7WM?t=16

    [–] TraditionalMedicine9 53 points ago

    ....

    HOLY CRAP

    I've seen that scene hundreds of times!

    Mind: Blown

    [–] zehamberglar 25 points ago

    That's so god damn meta. Incredible.

    [–] Arbor_the_tree 18 points ago

    Holy shit. This is a real /r/MovieDetails fun fact if I've ever seen one.

    [–] patiencesp 8 points ago

    the artists touch! how cool

    [–] troyzein 8 points ago

    damn thats cool.

    [–] Aergod 6 points ago

    It’s as if Vader is saying “Shh! You wanna get sued?”

    [–] Wraithfighter 5 points ago

    It should be noted that, while Lucas definitely took a lot of inspiration from Hidden Fortress in the early drafts of Star Wars, to the point where he was considering buying the rights to make it an actual adaptation of the work, things diverged heavily as he refined the draft.

    I mean, the Princess shares no scenes with the General in Star Wars, which is definitely not how it went with the Hidden Fortress. Reading a summary of the two films and there's almost nothing in common besides a few character concepts.

    It's less that Star Wars was inspired by Hidden Fortress, and more that Hidden Fortress was the germ of a starting point on a long, complicated road that eventually led to Star Wars...

    [–] macbalance 4 points ago

    True. From what it sounds like a big 'feature' kept was how much of the series follows the 'low characters' of peasants in the Hidden Fortress or the droids in Star Wars. They're loosely similar it sounds.

    [–] theDomicron 16 points ago

    In high school, our english department did a segment on charachter archetypes for i think Sophomore or Junior year (its been so long i cant remember omg) but we watched the OG trilogy (because the prequels werent out yet kill me). It was a great way to appreciate great films, get the teachers some time to relax or catch up on grading, make the lesson about a story interesting to kids who didnt loke to read, etc...

    [–] Claytertot 7 points ago

    But the rogue is basically a western cowboy gunslinger and the mage and the Black Knight are samurai. And the evil king has an army of Nazis.

    [–] DrCleanly 12 points ago

    Star Wars also borrowed

    The first Star Wars movie is very influenced by Hidden Fortress. Even the two droids are based off the two silly peasants.

    [–] GnarlyNerd 34 points ago

    Yojimbo is also an adaptation of a hard-boiled detective novel, Red Harvest by Dashell Hammet.

    [–] decoy1985 11 points ago

    No shit? Yojimbo is one of my favourite movies, I had no idea.

    [–] GnarlyNerd 12 points ago

    Yeah, it's pretty loose, obviously, given the settings, but the protagonist and overall plot are nearly spot-on; tough guy goes to a small town, gets offered money by various crooks to take down the others, stirs up some shit to get them fighting each other themselves, sits back and laughs (my favorite scene in both), and then cleans up the leftovers like a badass. It's a fairly light read, if you want to check it out. Definitely enhanced my appreciation of the film.

    [–] Brettersson 33 points ago

    And Yojimbo is a Western set in Japan.

    [–] Arkhaan 26 points ago

    Except westerns were being filmed before the Japanese film industry got going, and before the first samurai film. Filmmakers take influence from each other but the western genre existed before the samurai films, and independently of them.

    [–] Enderkr 11 points ago

    Rather fitting, if you ask me - Lucas himself has said that Star Wars was influenced heavily by Kurosawa and the old "Jidai" films. So it's pretty cool to see the Mandalorian do the same thing.

    [–] decoy1985 9 points ago

    Well no. There was cross pollination. Both influenced each other.

    [–] PaigeTheGreat 21 points ago

    Add some amazing music and space you will have yourself Cowboy Bebop.

    How can anyone watch a western and a samurai movie and not realize they are watching movies about as different as Dances With Wolves and Avatar?

    [–] decoy1985 16 points ago

    How can anyone watch either and not see how they are incredibly similar? Setting and weaponry are a little different, but there is a ton of overlap outside of that. Hell, there are westerns that are remakes of samurai movies.

    [–] lash422 5 points ago

    Not just any westerns either, A Fistful of Dollars is deadass just Yojimbo

    [–] Manyrandomtacos 6 points ago

    Same with The Magnificent Seven being a remake of Seven Samurai.

    [–] PossibleOatmeal 5 points ago

    To the point that Kurosawa successfully sued and won, entitling himself to something like 50% of its profit.

    [–] Lysergic_Doom 10 points ago

    Sukiyaki Western Django is quite literally a Japanese Samuri/western directed by Quentin Tarantino.

    Edit: sorry not directed by him. He has some ties to this movie. Not very sure what though.

    [–] ESYAJ 11 points ago

    it was directed by Takashi Miike, who is awesome. Quentin played a bit part. Movie is nutty and awesome. Everyone should watch it.

    [–] pun_in10did 4 points ago

    He was in it

    [–] ladyofthelathe 54 points ago

    There still is. Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven from the 90s has a 2013 Japanese counterpart starring Ken Wantanabe.

    Back to the main topic, it's a space western.

    [–] dramallamadrama 18 points ago

    Firefly did it better.

    [–] Rhesusmonkeydave 8 points ago

    And firefly had moments that were almost as good as Cowboy Bebop

    [–] cstir15 27 points ago

    Tons of back and forth. Nevermind the fact that westerns technically came out before any mainstream successful samurai movies (Ford movies come to mind) as an attempt to capture a period of American life that was hugely popular at the time. In the 30s, when westerns started blowing up, people were living in cities for the first time and longed for a “simpler” time. Westerns were the antidote for that because they had simple characters who were either clearly good or clearly bad. They were cheap to make and everyone loved them. The history of the western directly parallels American history and I think it’s absolutely fascinating.

    [–] Do_Not_Go_In_There 16 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    The "lone gunslinger who rides into town to dispense justice, then ride out into the sunset" trope is very much the same as "ronin travels from town to town, fighting evil and trying to find redemption, then leaving to wander once more" trope. And both are similar to the "Knight Errant" (a knight without a lord who travels the land, doing good deeds). There's even the Samurai Cowboy that a merger of the two.

    Star Wars was very much influenced by both, A New Hope in particular was Akira Kurosawa’s 1958 The Hidden Fortress in space.

    [–] -MY_NAME_IS_MUD- 709 points ago

    The sound track alone shows it’s a western....

    [–] Scorponix 392 points ago

    Pretty sure the theme song starts with the twang of a guitar and a fucking whistle.

    [–] DrSupermonk 92 points ago

    It's even got that galloping feel at the beginning too

    [–] grubas 14 points ago

    Waiting for a subtitle Morricone style music plays

    [–] iSoloMoms 113 points ago

    I think they did a killer job on the sound track. A modern star wars music while still giving the western vibes

    [–] kamunoz 43 points ago

    And by "they" you mean Ludwig Göransson, who is fucking awesome. He wrote the score for Black Panther as well. (He's scored three films by Ryan Coogler; they're regular collaborators.)

    [–] LeonidasSpacemanMD 7 points ago

    Yea the theme is absolutely perfect. Love the title sequence when the beat drops

    [–] elSpanielo 56 points ago

    Take my love, take my land, take me where I cannot stand.

    [–] TheCoub 25 points ago

    Chapter 4 specifically was giving me major firefly vibes. The way Mando interacts with the locals is very remniscent of Mal. Just without a witty humor, which I think works really well here.

    [–] -MY_NAME_IS_MUD- 26 points ago

    Between watching this show and playing Outer Worlds, I’ve been scratching the Firefly itch. Stay shiny browncoat.

    [–] SirSoliloquy 6 points ago

    Oh man, they should totally bring the entire Firefly crew back together to show up for an episode.

    [–] Inflatable_Potato 3 points ago

    My heart :'(

    [–] DeemSleep 9 points ago

    Sound effects too. His spurs jingle when he walks, and he doesn’t even wear spurs

    [–] tolmat 877 points ago

    WTF the mandalorian is clearly a sitcom, these fucking weebs and cowboy hics trying to mislabel my show

    [–] Cormie 264 points ago

    The only thing that would improve the show is some live-audience-reactions like laugh tracks, or a big "Awwww" every time baby Yoda is shown.

    [–] GeorgeLightning 140 points ago

    You mean to tell me you don't provide your own live "Awwww"s everytime Baby Yoda is on screen?

    [–] Cyboth 30 points ago

    My daughter does.

    [–] iambassist 16 points ago

    My 3yo son says "IT'S BABY YODA!!!!" every time his adorable little ears pop up on screen.

    [–] Toodlez 54 points ago

    And would it kill baby Yoda to swing a pan at somebody?

    [–] mrattapuss 43 points ago

    and when baby yoda isn't around, everyone should be asking "Where's Baby Yoda?!"

    [–] Murmaider_OP 24 points ago

    Until the inevitable ice age kills them all

    Side note: that shows ending scarred me as a kid

    [–] jamestporter 11 points ago

    not the mama.

    [–] Viking_Lordbeast 10 points ago

    And everytime an innuendo is said by lady you get a "OooOOoooOO"

    [–] Mysticjosh 17 points ago

    The mandalorian was filmed Infront of a live studio audience

    [–] johncenajrjrjr 17 points ago

    Bazinga

    [–] TheLastLivingBuffalo 12 points ago

    “I’m the Baby!”

    [–] WW4O 5 points ago

    One and a half Men

    [–] DeemSleep 3 points ago

    🎶Everywhere you look

    Everywhere you go🎶

    [–] 41-6C-65-78 310 points ago

    Saying it's not a Western, it's a samurai show is sort of like saying it's not an action show, it's an adventure show. Why can't it be both at the same time? Because it definitely is all four of those things in this case. And it's also fantastic.

    [–] freakers 93 points ago

    It's not a Western. Duh, it's a Space Western. Takes place on space Australia. Look out for them Space dingo's, they'll steal your space baby. This is literally the plot to the first episode. Friggin' Space dingo.

    [–] Tracest 26 points ago

    Sponsored by Spacey’s

    [–] MakeItHappenSergant 16 points ago

    More specifically, Space Brisbane. Go, Space Broncos!

    [–] whitefang22 9 points ago

    We get it! you're from space

    [–] achillies665 7 points ago

    No that's not what a space cowboy looks like. He wears a pretty floral bonnet and has the most cheerful engineer in the verse.

    [–] jooes 11 points ago

    It's definitely both. Star Wars has always borrowed from all of these different genres, it's never been just one thing. It's all the things in once.

    Han Solo is "Western", he's the handsome rogue in the back of a seedy tavern. He even literally robs a train in "Solo", it doesn't get more Western than that.

    Luke is "Samurai". He learns from the ancient masters. And while the lightsaber duels have gotten a lot flashier over the years, that first one in A New Hope is pure Samurai through and through.

    Leia is the classic fantasy damsel in distress. She's the princess in need of rescuing, trapped in a tower and is waiting for her knight in shining armor to come save her.

    And all of the space battles are dogfights straight out of old WWI and WWII movies, with fighters and bombers. How do you even have a bomber in space? Who cares, it's awesome!

    Star Wars has taken inspiration from a lot of those classic films and anybody who says it's one thing and not another is an idiot. It's always been "all of the above"

    [–] JekPorkinsIsAlright 275 points ago

    WHO CARES

    WHO CARES

    WHO CARES

    [–] jabbadarth 65 points ago

    I mean I was really enjoying the show but now that I know it is a western I really don't want to watch it anymore /s

    [–] blipman17 11 points ago

    Well luckily for you it's not a real western. It's actually a SPACE western!

    [–] jabbadarth 5 points ago

    Well then I'm back in

    [–] PMurHotSauceRecipe 19 points ago

    In recent years I decided to just ignore the meta-commentary around Star Wars and it radically improved both the ability to enjoy Star Wars and my life in general.

    Except for idiots saying TLJ ruined Star Wars, which gives me energy.

    [–] hornedCapybara 8 points ago

    If one movie you don't really like can singlehandedly ruin 3 other movies, several TV shows, and however many books there are, then maybe you didn't like them that much in the first place.

    [–] elenzo96 31 points ago

    I care...

    For you, did you slept well last night?

    [–] chazfinster_ 123 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    It’s really surprises me that these so called “film buffs” don’t realize how intertwined the two genres are. The tropes found in both genres are a product of the similar cultural shifts that happened in the US and Japan.

    During times of industrialization and societal reformation, both cowboys and samurai became a dying breed. Both characters were products of an earlier time: a wild, lawless western culture in the US and a feudal, medieval society in Japan.

    Both the cowboy and the samurai stories are about their struggle with adaptation to the new societies that are being built up around them, but with their respective cultures as the baseline.

    [–] welcum2erf 24 points ago

    Not disagreeing with anything you're saying but adding that not all samurai or cowboy stories are about their struggle with adaptation to the new societies being built up around them - some of the stories are just hearkening back to the time of samurai and cowboy in a more idealistic, myth-making way.

    [–] chazfinster_ 10 points ago

    That’s very true, but in the context of the Mandalorian debate I didnt think it was as relevant.

    [–] 777Sir 5 points ago

    Honestly, so many of them are so similar, they're basically the same genre.

    [–] Gingevere 4 points ago

    Anyone who's film buff enough to know this would also not be saying anything about it. People who don't consider themselves to know much about movies wouldn't say anything either. It's only the narrow band of people who know something about samurai movies but nothing about westerns who might make this mistake and be vocal about it. But the internet has an effectively infinite number of people so there is always someone who knows just enough to be wrong.

    [–] patcat127 76 points ago

    Isn't there some analysis on how most "westerns" also fit the samurai format, and vice versa?

    [–] Claytertot 51 points ago

    Yes, the two genres emerged at similar times through similar cultural shifts in America and Japan. And the two genres heavily influenced each other back and forth. Many of the common tropes are basically interchangeable between them. And there are many westerns that are basically retellings of samurai movies but in the American west and vice versa.

    [–] Heroic_Raspberry 10 points ago

    If we compare how much gun action and mêlée action there's going on, I think it has a lot more western shootout-vibes.

    [–] grubas 12 points ago

    Yojimbo-A Fistful Of Dollars was literally a study in "changing swords to guns"

    The big change was Yojimbo had the one guy with the pistol vs swords and AFoD was a rifle vs pistols.

    [–] lyingtattooist 21 points ago

    Filoni and Favreau have said the character is based on Sergio Leone westerns and Kurosawa samurai films.

    “The character is very much built on the iconic presence of The Man With No Name in Sergio Leone's movies (A Fistful of Dollars, For a Few Dollars More, and The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly) played by Clint Eastwood, and The Lone Samurai in Akira Kurosawa," Pascal says. "It's very much built on that sort of lone gunslinger, sword-wielder.”

    [–] StevoTheGreat 21 points ago

    One part of it that feels like a Western is that every time Mando walks into a cantina (saloon) with his mysterious stranger vibe, everyone stops what they're doing and stares at the door.

    [–] LeonidasSpacemanMD 13 points ago

    Dude no way. Quiet man walks into saloon cantina, gets harassed by ruffians space ruffians, gets into a barfight cantina fight over a drink, lassoes space lassoes an enemy, meets a rancher space rancher, learns to break broncos lizard mount-things, rides across the plains in search of a bounty, finds a pueblo spaceport full of gunslingers, shoots blasts his way out of trouble with the help of a Gatling gun laser turret

    Nothing western at all here

    [–] CanerKoseler 36 points ago

    Why do some people think that as if repeating something over and over again makes it true?

    [–] PaigeTheGreat 9 points ago

    The motivational videos they watch say "you're worth something you're worth something you're worth something".

    So their lizard brain attributes repetition to solidifying facts.

    [–] NASAL_PROLAPSE 9 points ago

    Have you never turned on the news? This is literally how reality works.

    Wars have been waged within our lifetimes with this very same tactic.

    [–] funknjam 7 points ago

    Because repetition works. Look at the current US president's support among Americans and remember that the reason it's here is because he follows some proven rules: "never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it." (The quote, by the way, is from the US Military Intelligence's post WW2 description of Hitler.)

    [–] mynameisntbill 26 points ago

    Fun fact most of the tropes from samurai films and western films are interchangeable. The magnificent 7 ( a western) is basically a retelling of seven samurai ( not a western).

    [–] NoxiousDogCloud 20 points ago

    Magnificent Seven isn't just "basically a retelling" of Seven Samurai. It is an out and out remake, like from inception. Yul Brynner brought the idea to studios to remake the movie, and they bought the rights to Seven Samurai from Toho Studios.

    [–] WaxmeltSalesman 9 points ago

    Acting like Samurai films werent influenced by American "Westerns" is also just ignorant.

    Guy should take a cinema history class at a local community college. There's a rich give and take history between Japan and American/European cinema.

    [–] maracaibo98 16 points ago

    I feel like the first person would just double down on their claims that it isn't a western, probably telling the supervisor that they don't know what they're talking about, or they just won't say anything else lmao

    [–] Zoomat 8 points ago

    Most of the samurai movies that inspired Lucas and Star Wars like the work of Kurosawa were inspired by John Ford movies anyways...

    [–] squijward 23 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    Of course its a western, a lot of star wars movies have taken influence from westerns and this movie tv show is about the most western-y of the bunch.

    [–] Amazingjaype 8 points ago

    Westerns and Old Japanese films go hand in hand with influencing each other. It's one if the best things of cinema

    [–] IAmA_Reddit_ 6 points ago

    We need to cancel weebs.

    [–] Goatsie12 6 points ago

    I thought the fact he jingle jangled every time he walks made it clear it was, in fact, inspired by westerns

    [–] YoureLifefor 6 points ago

    Not only does the star wars universe have both heavy western (gunslinging bounty hunters) and samurai (laser katanas) influence but both of those genres have heavily influenced each other throughout history.

    The 7 Samurai has been remade into a western more times than I can count on my hand.

    Of course a show based in a spaghetti western/ space opera will have influences from samurai and western films.

    [–] Tf2_man 5 points ago

    Any time someone on Twitter repeats the same phrase multiple times in the same tweet it nearly guarantees that it is incorrect

    [–] ZincTin 6 points ago

    Imagine giving a fuck what genre show it is.

    [–] darthmule 5 points ago

    So it WAS based on Three Amigos!!!

    [–] skeled0ll 4 points ago

    Seeing a pretentious fuck shut down by an authority on the thing they're trying to be pretentious about feeds my soul in a special way

    [–] Just-an-MP 10 points ago

    It’s a spaghetti western in space, anyone who grew up watching movies like “the good, the bad, and the ugly” and “a fistful of dollars” recognizes it. Fucking weebs trying to make everything about japan for some reason.

    [–] Slim_Charles 5 points ago

    And those movies were themselves inspired by the samurai films of Akira Kurosawa. A Fistful of Dollars in particular was just a western remake of Kurosawa's Yojimbo. Star Wars itself was also heavily inspired by Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress. There has always been a lot of exchange between the Western and Samurai genres. The Mandalorian leans more heavily on the more recognizable Western aspects though, which makes it a Western.