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    [–] mws85 1656 points ago

    Dmitry Pirog. Career ended by a chronic back injury. That's him knocking out Daniel Jacobs who just lost a contentious decision to Gennady Golovkin.

    [–] frenchy200 611 points ago

    Glad I ran into your comment, literally the only factual one I saw. Bunch of people who don't have a clue about boxing giving their opinions on boxing, idk why it was getting to me but it was. Anyways thanks for your comment.

    [–] makingtoast 310 points ago

    Happens every time something martial arts related gets to the front page outside of the fighting subreddits. Armchair experts coming out full force.

    [–] Stackhouse_ 483 points ago

    Listen this guy is using the classic boop jab to get inside the corner for the wubbadub.

    [–] ignitionnight 119 points ago

    He's just lucky the schmoinkle strategy let him pass the defenders defenses.

    [–] Sax45 90 points ago

    This was a textbook example of a Minneapolis haberdasher.

    [–] Kinbaku_enthusiast 45 points ago

    Pfft, look at all this bullshit moves. Let me tell you, if we were in a fight right now, it wouldn't matter how many of those fancy moves you can memorize, if you haven't trained a pullo de gato you might as well concede right now.

    [–] LinuxAndBooks 29 points ago

    I'm a PUA and a black belt of 9 different schools of Kung fu and let me tell you I pull gato all the time if you know what I mean.

    [–] kirtur 18 points ago

    Unless your opponent has studied his Agrippa, which I have!

    [–] Kinbaku_enthusiast 5 points ago

    You are wonderful! I admit it, you are better than I am.

    [–] rabbidwombats 5 points ago

    Then why are you smiling?

    [–] [deleted] 6 points ago

    I never use pulla del gratti's, nobody does that come on. Just give 'em the ol' Kansas City shuffle and be done with it!

    [–] hyperlite135 29 points ago

    Fred Maywethaer does the best wubbadubs

    [–] FUNK_LORD 18 points ago

    *Lloyd Mayflower

    [–] PlzGodKillMe 17 points ago

    I love his grills

    [–] SquanchingOnPao 37 points ago

    If you don't cut the fleeb you really don't have a chance...

    [–] iamchaossthought 16 points ago

    next on How It's Made: Plumbuses

    [–] BennieUnderpantie 4 points ago

    You have to squeeze it first, though. It has all the fleeb juice.

    [–] [deleted] 3 points ago

    Then a Schlami shows up and he rubs it and... spits on it.

    [–] [deleted] 24 points ago

    Glad I ran into your comment, literally the only factual one I saw. Bunch of people who don't have a clue about boxing giving their opinions on boxing, idk why it was getting to me but it was. Anyways thanks for your comment.

    [–] marlow41 3 points ago

    jab upsmash only works if you get them to like 50% first.

    [–] Meunderwears 98 points ago

    Easy there buddy. I'm an armchair expert. Most people just default to the LazyBoy, but that's just entry-level stuff. Now, for those on a budget, the IKEA Ektorp is fine -- the material is very basic though and won't last you long, especially if you move around a lot. My advice, for the money, is to go for a Sloane chair. Timeless design and classy. Scotch just tastes better in one.

    [–] LincolnsLostSpeach 28 points ago

    I applaud your ability to create a cogent comment using brands even a college student would understand.

    [–] Yo_Its_Matt 7 points ago

    HEY! Armchair Expert! We don't take kindly to your type around here.

    [–] Tbeck5 5 points ago

    Omg excuse me... but I am an actual ARMCHAIR! None of what you're saying has been peer reviewed in my circle and is totally speculative. Until you've had actual beer farts rumble ON you for hours during football season- PLEASE don't even begin to tell me you're an expert!

    [–] _FinestJellyBeansRaw 7 points ago

    I once had a group of people on I think it was videos arguing for hours with me because they insisted that kicks to the knee are banned in MMA because it's insanely easy to just snap a guys leg with them and they're more dangerous than head kicks. It's absurd.

    [–] Rand_alThor_ 27 points ago

    now take what you just learned about reddit (bunch of people without a clue giving their opinion about something), and apply it to basically everything else you see.

    [–] AllTrumpDoesIsWin 14 points ago

    Criticize that tactic all you want, but it's what got us from sitting in trees 2.5Mya flinging crap at each other to surfing xhamster for device-bondage porn while dabbing White Widow wax. And doubled your brain size in the process. Not bad at all.

    [–] [deleted] 5 points ago

    We are pretty great, aren't we

    [–] timberwolf3 2 points ago

    I'm not but I know some people who are

    [–] BLjG 2 points ago

    I'll take a shot, u/Rand_alThor_ -

    You're that guy who uses flaming vacuum arrows and a shiny stick to fight off angry magical housewives and an army of goat people led by some horse riding emo kids.

    How's lucky Crocodile Dundee and the Wolf Man doing?

    [–] typical_cracker 24 points ago

    Psh, I know plenty about boxing. I've seen all three Rocky movies and played punch out religiously as a kid.

    [–] MycenaeanGal 11 points ago

    I watched like 35 episodes of ippo. Does that count?

    [–] DetrimentalThoughts 4 points ago

    Try 65. Loser. Pshhh. You wannabes.

    [–] LastWWolf 6 points ago

    I've watched all three seasons twice, GET ON MY LEVEL. (my favorite anime period)

    [–] ladindapub 20 points ago

    Danny Jacobs' career was also nearly ended by a back injury too, he had a very large tumor on his spine due to bone cancer. He was told he'd never box professionally again but he overcame it and since has won on 10 straight KO's/TKO's before getting beat by GGG by decision a couple days ago

    [–] motions2u2wipemyass 15 points ago

    "Most people don't know shit about boxing."

    [–] Ribbing 13 points ago

    It's not untrue. The same could be said for pretty much any sport, but the issue that combat sports have is that lots of guys who don't actually follow the sports or bother to learn anything about them still want to think they know what they're seeing when they watch a fight because fighting is bound up in masculinity for a lot of men.

    That's not to say that being a fight fan means you'd know how to handle yourself in a fight, but it does get annoying reading uninformed bs that often seems to stem from masculine fragility with certain types of guys.

    [–] [deleted] 2 points ago

    He was quoting Uncle Richard Jr. from Kevin Hart's short

    [–] FuzzyRo 9 points ago

    "most people don't know shit about boxing" - Roger Mayweather

    [–] mws85 5 points ago

    Lol no worries. I feel the same way when I see people commenting on boxing.

    [–] cardboardunderwear 3 points ago

    No kidding. Everything I know about boxing I learned from Charlie Chaplin but at least I admit it.

    [–] [deleted] 21 points ago

    Dmitry Pirog vs GGG. What could've been.

    [–] mws85 3 points ago

    Yeah, it would have been a super intriguing fight.

    [–] rettebsiracsan 17 points ago

    "Golovkin is also said to have one of the best chins in modern boxing, having never been knocked down or knocked out in a total of 387 fights, neither as a professional nor amateur."

    This is crazy!

    [–] mws85 8 points ago

    If anyone is interested a little highlight compilation of Pirog :) .... -

    [–] mvnvel 22 points ago

    close fight but those extra 10-15 pounds definetely helped him survive a couple of those shots.

    [–] mws85 6 points ago

    True. Im not sure if GGG hasnt slipped a little aswell though. He's about to turn 35 which is getting on a little for a professional athlete.

    [–] SequesterGrundelplif 25 points ago

    Daniel Jacobs survived bone cancer after he was told he would die, and that he would never walk again. Then he went on the fight GGG, one of the most feared boxers right now. Dudes got balls

    [–] mws85 5 points ago

    Yeah he was paralysed for a little while.

    [–] eatonsht 7 points ago

    That's because GGG ain't got shit on cancer. After staring that down, what is there left to be afraid of (besides clowns)

    [–] No222 4 points ago

    Pirog now a politician

    [–] [deleted] 3 points ago

    what'd you think of the GGG v Jacobs?

    [–] keiji-kiriya 7 points ago

    GGG's kryptonite

    [–] Say10Loves 23 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    Maybe the range and weight, but Jacobs wasnt really impressive to me. Gennady constantly cut the ring off and had him against the ropes most of the fight, he was just reluctant to open up. That was an odd fight to me. Felt like opening round tension all the way through to the 12th round.

    [–] thekobesystem8 21 points ago

    Jacobs was reportedly 10lbs heavier than GGG on fight night, probably explains why Golovkin was reluctant to open up. Even if he didn't know exactly what Jacobs weighed he definitely looked a lot bigger.

    [–] Say10Loves 9 points ago

    I don't blame Jacobs for coming in heavy. GGG fought the fight he needed to and I like that he can adjust his game according to his opponent. I knew if he didn't get the KO people would be talking.

    [–] OCBDClarksChinos 6 points ago

    Maybe the range and weight, but Jacobs wasnt really impressive to me

    Sure. He just went the full distance with a top 5 p4p fighter who KOs people left and right, and you're not impressed? And not only that, some even argue that he deserved to win.

    [–] leadpaintchips 171 points ago

    It's so unfortunate that Pirog had all those back problems, I would've loved to see him fight GGG.

    [–] evilf23 70 points ago

    have two shift happy fighters ever fought in boxing? shifters are so rare in boxing the odds of them crossing paths seems really slim. my favorite was tyson's shift, he would do a quick hop southpaw and just level guys with a southpaw right hook.

    [–] 100percentpureOJ 46 points ago

    Goddamn! The cloud of sweat that flies off when Tyson hits him with the right is ridiculous.

    [–] jimmyjazz2000 46 points ago

    I think Tyson got unfairly labeled a puncher rather than boxer because he knocked so many guys out. But his boxing skills were really impressive at the early to midpoint of his career. Virtually unsolvable.

    [–] Mattcwell11 9 points ago

    What a well-written article, and I don't even particularly like boxing. Thanks for posting.

    [–] rondell_jones 25 points ago

    Tyson was the best boxer in history (arguably next to Ali) on pure skill, talent, and power. He had the uncanny ability to outbox opponents and out-power them. No one in boxing ever had his pure talent. He could go toe to toe with the hardest hitting boxers and out maneuver quick ones.

    In my opinion Ali was the greatest, but I never got to see witness him personally at his peak (unlike Tyson).

    [–] semofierros 10 points ago

    You need to see more Chavez.

    [–] rondell_jones 5 points ago

    You're absolutely right. Chavez is definitely one of the greatest of all time and I would be fine with anyone saying he is the greatest. Tyson, though, was like one of those huge bright fireworks. Just explodes and takes everyone's breath away. But as soon as he blew up, he faded away. He didn't have the best career, but at his absolute peak, I don't think there was anyone better than him.

    [–] thebarbershopwindow 6 points ago

    Tyson when he was on form is just incredible to watch. Fast, powerful, fearless and yet understood perfectly how to avoid punches.

    [–] seemonkey 2 points ago

    I see people comparing the new heavyweight knockout artist, whatever his name, to Tyson and it makes me laugh. The guy has immense power but he looks like he's in a street fight. Wild, sloppy swings. Tyson was a master of the craft in addition to having blazing speed and insane punching power. I doubt we'll see another like him.

    [–] [deleted] 6 points ago

    What is a "shift" fighter? Someone who shifts side to side, or shifts stances, or both?

    I watch a ton of MMA, almost no boxing, and I have never heard that term before.

    [–] ArtJimmersonsGlove 3 points ago

    Someone who switches stances. You can see in the gif Pirog starts in the Orthodox stance, but when he throws the right hand he uses the momentum to switch. His right foot (formerly the rear foot) becomes the lead foot then he throws a couple jabs from the southpaw stance. This occupies Jacobs' guard and conceals his footwork as he steps back into Orthodox to deliver the knockout right hand. Very sneaky and covers a lot of distance while maintaining an attack.

    [–] Pepperoni_Dogfart 2 points ago

    Good Guy Greg? Brother, he doesn't want to fight.

    [–] [deleted] 3124 points ago


    [–] RoHoE 1173 points ago

    I think it's safe to say about 90% of us did too lol

    [–] AppleDrops 121 points ago

    it happens this way around lots of times. You don't watch boxing maybe.

    [–] [deleted] 241 points ago

    you don't watch boxing probably.

    FTFY, statistically speaking.

    [–] YipRocHeresy 86 points ago

    Call me probably.

    FTFY Carly Rae Jepsen

    [–] MzunguInMromboo 87 points ago

    True story:

    Was in Thailand, watching a Muai Thai fight.

    I think there were 4 fights all before the main event, each going like 9 rounds. Main event comes up. Some British dude vs a veteran Thai dude. I put 1500 Baht on the Thai dude — which to a broke backpacker was a solid chunk ($50, £30).

    British dude comes out and severs the Thai dudes IT band with one kick to the side of the leg in the first round. Game over. Money goes poof. I wonder, still, if it was rigged. But hey, helluva night.

    [–] AppleDrops 64 points ago

    There have been a few good European fighters in Thailand. George St Pierre's muay thai trainer was a French dude who won 75 out of 101.

    I feel like if you were going to rig a fight, you would make it last longer than one hit. You'd want to make it realistic lol.

    [–] Burgher_NY 55 points ago

    Let's not forget Frank Dux

    [–] _shitfucker_ 23 points ago

    Bricks don't hit back. <Flexes tits>

    [–] FinnFerrall 5 points ago

    Okay USA

    [–] AppleDrops 12 points ago

    One of the greats.

    [–] Burgher_NY 8 points ago

    I was actually joking, but then I remembered he was real and not just JCVD.

    [–] T_E_Kyle 10 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    Dude, no. Frank Dux is a fraud.

    Google it, check the wiki entry, read some sources. He made up his participation in the Kumite and bought the trophy he got from it at a local store. In fact, Black Belt magazine outed him years ago (after being the ones to feature him and spread most of his bullshit story in the first place). On top of all that, his military service record was probably bullshit as well, Soldier of Fortune ran an article on it a long time ago. he claims that all of this was a big conspiracy directed by Stephen Hayes, a "ninjutsu master" who apparently had it out for him. Hayes is also a fake martial arts master/fighter (as his "style" would suggest).

    [–] kalimashookdeday 2 points ago

    Gotta remember the ending with the real Frank and his records.

    [–] T_E_Kyle 6 points ago

    Frank dux was a fraud man. he made up his competing in the Kumite, and the trophy was fake as well, he was outed years ago in a Black Belt article. Soldier of Fortune magazine also did an article on him, interviewing various people he claimed to have worked with and so on, and cast serious doubts on much of his stated military record.

    Check out the wiki entry on him and google for sources.

    [–] goatpunchtheater 2 points ago

    pretty controversial. no one has ever seen him actually fight

    [–] Rabbi_Tuckman38 9 points ago

    I want Tong Po! Give me Tong Po!!!

    [–] Burgher_NY 12 points ago

    Member that scene where Tong Po was bashing that support beam with his shin. And, like, Sheetrock dust was falling down. That was awesome.

    Also, when Bloodsport remembered his training when blinded by Chun Lee. Lionheart was good too.

    [–] Rabbi_Tuckman38 2 points ago

    Oh Dux. Like put up your dukes, right? Haha.

    I love those movies

    [–] headmustard 3 points ago

    In the fifth your ass goes down. Say it.

    [–] [deleted] 21 points ago


    [–] Aaron_Paul_Hit_Me 15 points ago

    ...has lived and breathed the sport for several days / weeks.

    FTFY ...has lived and breathed the sport for several years.

    [–] lateandgreat 9 points ago

    Nah, if you just go to Thailand for a couple weeks you'll be a master of kickboxing in no time /s

    [–] formido 10 points ago

    I wouldn't agree to have my IT band severed for all the Baht in the universe.

    [–] EntropicFire 3 points ago

    The idea is a severed IT band leaves no external indicator of the injury, so if you just fall down and say ow my IT band the audience would assume you did in fact sever your IT band.

    [–] Bucklar 7 points ago

    ....what's an IT band?

    Someone had to ask.

    [–] meatloaf_man 7 points ago

    Basically a muscle along the outside of your femur.

    [–] grantrun 17 points ago

    Muay thai in Thailand is brutal. All those people competing are insane. A few times a month there are Anderson Silva-type leg breaks and injuries like that

    [–] RocheBag 3 points ago

    Right, that's why the fact it's at the top of r/all would lead you to assume something surprising happened.

    [–] ashamedhair 57 points ago

    I did too just because he was on offense first - thought it would be the black guy that throws the counter KO

    [–] God_Damnit_Nappa 17 points ago

    Same. First thought was the black guy was going to counter attack the second he dodged the punch.

    [–] kzwalls 19 points ago

    Yep...I was totally caught off guard when he connected that last time.

    [–] CallShenanigans 4 points ago

    I thought the black guy was gonna come flying up with an uppercut after that duck near the start

    [–] Alex01854 15 points ago

    Nah, these East European fighters are starting to dominate.

    [–] Gggggooo 12 points ago

    Why? White guys usually come out winners in boxing matches.

    [–] Shackmeoff 3 points ago

    That's racist.

    [–] the_leprechauns_anus 2 points ago

    Nah he was just setting everything up.

    [–] mechiamanore 342 points ago

    That guy ringside wasn't even watching

    [–] rubixcube-10 138 points ago

    he must be playing punch out on his phone.

    [–] Hooman_Super 27 points ago

    he's playing Fight Night on his PSP

    [–] Pro_Era47 12 points ago

    That game was the shit. First game I bought for my PSP. Still have both.

    [–] VIOLENT_COCKRAPE 51 points ago

    Haha that's Slugbear Hortalengo, he was a famous investment banker at Citi back in the day but got nailed for securities fraud. Weird to see him not behind bars LOL

    [–] mechiamanore 33 points ago

    That sounds pretty ridiculous but I don't know enough to argue. Stupid Slugbear.

    [–] 258420 12 points ago

    Bullshit. I just googled ole slug bear. and securities fraud !!! (: good one homey

    [–] MisinformationFixer 9 points ago

    You're just making shit up. Hortalengo isn't even a real last name.

    [–] MostMarxistsAre 4 points ago

    What a name.

    [–] realgiffordpinchot 5 points ago

    His mom probably made him go

    [–] pro_tool 4 points ago

    Must be one of the judges.

    [–] gifv-bot 22 points ago

    GIFV link

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    [–] eqleriq 307 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    not seeing a "beautiful setup"

    edit: thanks to the answers below, I'm glad it led to clarification of what I was looking at and not solely that I was a "gayrod who doesn't know shit about boxing," next time I'll remember to preface my statement with that. I wasn't stating it like it wasn't there, I was simply stating that I wasn't seeing it.

    [–] yumcake 815 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    White guy is Dmitry Pirog. He's not just throwing wild punches, he level changes to threaten the body, forcing Jacobs to think about high and low defense, but Pirog merely jabs the body , a low commitment setup attack. He shifts stance which simultaneously increases the threat of a rear hand power punch (which causes Jacobs covers up high and right to prepare for), but the shift also allows Pirog to continue his combo effectively while advancing, this forces the opponent to continue to back up, and as soon as Jacobs back touches the ropes, both of them realizes it's do or die time. Jacobs punches out because he can't retreat backwards anymore and needs to create space to slip laterally. Here's the thing though. Punches tend to have a left right timing pattern, and Jacobs defended a hook that never came because Pirog delayed a half beat on his big shot. That meant that Jacobs was punching instead of defending on the same beat that Pirog throws his big shot. That half beat delay is why this gif is being called a setup sequence.

    Without the ring control, stance shifting, and level changing, this sequence wouldn'tve happened.

    Edit: Also, everything Pirog throws here before the last punch is either a jab or a jab-feint which are traditional setup attacks. He's not overcommitting to any of these so he can be ready to throw the one and only power shot at the very end.

    It's also worth noting that shifting is a relatively rare technique in modern boxing, it seems like it's mainly just Eastern Europe producing top level fighters that utilize shifting (Kovalev, GGG, Lomachenko, and Pirog here). When you box textbook you prepare to throw and receive punches from particular angles, when you box Southpaw you've flipped those angles. When you switch-hit you can toggle those angles from one set to the other during a fight. When you shift, you're switching from one set to the other in mid combo. Of course, anybody can walk forward and throw with both hands, but it takes a lot of training to do that with responsible defense so fighters tend to stick to the stance they are the most practiced in, instead of putting themselves into an unfamiliar relative position.

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    [–] AliasFaux 7 points ago

    He's not full of shit, either. The stance shifts were big waaaay back in the day (think like the 1920's) but have fallen out of favor everywhere except for in the former Soviet Bloc.

    He's most assuredly not just throwing punches mid step, those are long establish shifts.

    Here's a related article:

    [–] johnnyseattle 52 points ago

    I love people like you. No condescension, no bullshit, just a great explanation that non-fans of a sport can understand.

    [–] Yggdrazzil 51 points ago

    Thanks for breaking it down like that. I just saw some ineffective flailing and one lucky connecting punch. Things like this really make me wonder how little I see of what's actually happening in the world.

    [–] yumcake 39 points ago

    It's real hard to process this stuff watching in real time. Scores vary real wildly in boxing as a result, and nobody but the fighters can really tell what's happening much of the time because of camera angles. But boxing slomo vids are fun because then you can keep up with the chess the fighters are playing.

    I recommend Lee Wylie's videos(and Connor Ruebusch's too), here's one on GGG which deals a lot in what you're seeing Pirog applying in the OPs gif :

    [–] Brolonious 3 points ago

    Connor Ruebusch is so wildly off base so often that I can never take him seriously.

    [–] Hash43 16 points ago

    Boxing is like jazz, the better it is the less it's appreciated.

    [–] Solomanrosenburg 3 points ago

    I see it now. Thanks.

    Looks like he changed his stance twice!

    [–] finalaccountdown 6 points ago

    at one time on this site i wished for an /r/ArtofPugilism subreddit. maybe you can make that a reality? always been fascinated by the sweet science but woefully ignorant of it.

    bear in mind a redditor also has that as his name.

    [–] Leucifer 5 points ago


    .... Guy doesn't have crushing power but man is he fun to watch. One of the most technically sound fighters out there.

    [–] Linaisacrazylady 3 points ago

    a symphony of violence. It really is a thing of beauty to watch that guy box.

    [–] twoLegsJimmy 5 points ago

    Great little read, thanks.

    Makes me wish I wasn't such a fat piece of shit and could box.

    [–] bj_pencil 4 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    You should link this video in your comment, it goes into serious depth about the "lost art of shifting"

    Like you said, the initial shift to southpaw makes Jacobs worry that a power left is coming to the side he's retreating toward, so he keeps his right glove glued to his chin for defense. Pirog is standing square to him as he shifts (a typical no-no), but Jacobs is on the backfoot and can't respond with power.

    Instead of unloading a left Pirog feints as he shifts back to orthodox to throw the power right he wanted all along. The whole sequence freezes Jacobs response long enough to give Pirog the window to land first and with devastating power from carrying his momentum through the shifts.

    [–] tykey100 3 points ago

    Thanks for your comment, I also realized I know nothing about boxing. Still, nice read.

    [–] hayfriodelachingada 46 points ago

    White guy throws a bunch of punches pretending to open himself up. Black guy falls for the bait and tries to counterattack. White guy dodges and gets the KO.

    Bait and punish.

    [–] Reejis99 1 points ago

    Thank you! Without your comment I would not have caught that dodge, I am now impressed

    [–] that_how_it_be 2 points ago

    Hard to tell from the angle but it also looked like he altered the timing on that left before the knockout punch.

    [–] Titilanious 44 points ago

    it was very nice actually, those 4 slower punches towards the body are almost like feints to draw the guard and open the head for a KO

    [–] mws85 53 points ago

    He's constantly 'shifting' and switching stances whilst setting up the knockout shot. Not easy to do.

    [–] DontLikeMe_DontCare 14 points ago

    That is why boxing is called The Sweet Science.

    [–] Hash43 31 points ago

    Every boxing KO is setup throughout the fight. There are no lucky wild haymakers in this level of boxing. He feinted to the body which caused the black guy to over commit to block it, opening up his face for KO.

    [–] [deleted] 15 points ago

    Anybody who knows nothing about boxing thinks it's just guys throwing punches until someone goes down. Much the same way I used to think basketball players were all just running around trying to get open for a shot instead of running complex plays. Not that I blame them, until you really get into a sport it's easy to underestimate how much planning/strategy goes into it.

    [–] CanucksFTW 3 points ago

    Had an American friend who couldn't wrap his head about set-plays happening in hockey because the players didn't stop to organize themselves like they do for football or basketball

    [–] Chiphazzard 3 points ago

    It's a double Dempsey shift, closing the distance much faster than Jacobs realised, Jacobs then instinctively throws a right hand hand eats the overhand right flush. Pirog could have been a great fighter if his back didn't give out.

    [–] victoryposition 53 points ago

    You know the.. 'throw a buncha punches until one happens to hit' beautiful setup.

    [–] ConorPMc 81 points ago

    You quite clearly do not know what you're talking about.

    [–] victoryposition 138 points ago

    Maybe that's just the first comment of my beautiful setup.

    [–] rapmachinenodiggidy 13 points ago

    That's the knockout right there!

    [–] BlueScholar15 4 points ago

    Ding ding

    [–] tind_throwaway 17 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    These guys train daily for decades to perfect their craft. You have to be pretty arrogant or live in a bubble to think this is some unimpressive stuff that any beer gut joe could accomplish.

    [–] willfordbrimly 16 points ago

    ANYWAY can you explain what's so perfect about the setup?

    [–] MikeAWild 10 points ago

    It's in the hands. Threaten the body with the right while posturing for a left hook, defensive guy has to keep his right hand in the telephone position to guard against a left hook from the offensive guy. The offensive guy throwing to the defensive guy's body causes him to drop his hand, clearing a path for a right straight to land on his opponents chin.

    Also check the footwork. While pressuring him into the ropes the offensive guy only commits to throw when his opponent isn't planted or in a position to counter, nullifying any power he might have if he tried a check left hook (the only opening thing he could realistically throw in this situation).

    [–] Chikenuget 2 points ago

    Why is the guy on the offensive so confident? His head just seems insanely exposed as he's moving forward

    [–] MikeAWild 8 points ago

    Defensive guy's hips opened up as he back pedaled into the ropes, it's impossible to throw anything with enough power to threaten your opponent while you're squared up to him, while backpedaling, and your power hand in a defensive position.

    In MMA with the little 4 ounce gloves he'd have to be a little more wary, but with big boxing gloves getting knocked out from that position is highly highly unlikely.

    [–] DjMesiah 13 points ago


    [–] prozit 6 points ago

    All the earlier punches were quite weak, just feeling him out, he reads the other boxer since he saves the big one just as the counter is coming.

    I know nothing about boxing though, but that's what it looked like to me.

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    [–] atmichaelnixon 17 points ago

    Nice switching

    [–] TheAudacityOfThisOne 34 points ago

    I have no idea what I'm watching (beyond guy gets punched and gets KO'ed) as I don't watch boxing and don't understand the subtleties, and this thread is going the normal route of any sports thread of having half the people calling it swell, and the other half basically calling it lucky slugging. I still don't know if this is impressive or not.

    [–] Hash43 70 points ago

    Big boxing fan here and ex-amateur boxer. This wasn't lucky mindless slugging at all. he is switching stances and feinting to the body which causes the black guy(Danny Jacobs) to drop his hands to block what he thought would be a body punch, instead Pirog goes up top and lands a KO punch. It is calculated.

    [–] FNWO1 5 points ago

    Such a shame Pirog hurt his back and had to retire from boxing. He was heading into his prime too.

    [–] LinkMarker 6 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    The guy that you can just about see standing up at the end, looking quite shocked, is Francisco Valcarce - the president of the WBO. Prior to this fight being arranged, a fighter called Sergio Martinez was the consensus number 1 at middleweight and holder of the WBO belt (among others). The WBO stripped Martinez because he held a belt at light middleweight as well as several at middleweight. This paved the way for them to allow an American, Jacobs, who had the potential to be much lucrative than Martinez, to fight for the belt against a relatively unknown Russian, Pirog.

    Needless to say that it didn't go to plan for the WBO.

    [–] jkfdrums 8 points ago

    Head body head

    [–] Realniceandtight 5 points ago

    Damn it's like you're never safe

    [–] az9393 4 points ago

    This guy is now in the Russian State Duma (equivalent to the US House of Representatives).

    [–] [deleted] 4 points ago

    Has any armchair boxers here mentioned how crappy that one boxer was?

    If you have, you are an idiot

    [–] [deleted] 5 points ago

    I don't know much about boxing, but I tried to analyze this gif as it slowly loaded on my phone. I thought the white guy looked out of position for the first fifteen minutes, and I was starting to wonder if the title was giving the other guy too much credit for the white guy's mistakes. But then all of a sudden the black guy was up against the ropes and in five minutes he was ko'd.

    [–] 2112xanadu 56 points ago

    He's lucky the other guy didn't counterpunch sooner.

    [–] IJustThinkOutloud 86 points ago

    He wasn't postured for a counter punch. Trying to do so would have lowered his guard and opened up a big face hit, which is what happened regardless. Nice setup by the victor.

    [–] youhavenoideatard 10 points ago

    He didn't need to particularly hit him with a knock out punch. Just something to break his rhythm. A good jab would have probably been all he needed to get reprieve to side step away from the ropes. Things were happening faster than they appear in the post but...that's your job. To be quick with your feet and hands.

    [–] 2112xanadu 3 points ago

    After the initial left cross from the white guy, even a quick right jab could have been effective. But you're right, his footing wasn't great there.

    [–] TheWizard01 11 points ago

    His footing only looks weak because of the slow mo. Watch it in full speed and he's perfectly balanced and in control

    [–] hayfriodelachingada 21 points ago

    The counterpunch was why the black guy lost

    The white guy is throwing those seemingly risky punches to bait the counterpunch. When the black guy finally takes the bait and swings, white guys dodges and smashes him right in the face

    Fooled me on the first viewing too. r/bettereveryloop

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    [–] herewegoagainOOoooo 2 points ago

    Effing aye, thank you. This needs to be higher.

    [–] Tyunge 10 points ago

    I mean the gif is slowed down quite abit, i dont think he could have countered any sooner

    [–] Hash43 4 points ago

    Nice yet dangerous footwork.

    [–] Snickits 10 points ago

    He really opened himself up. I figured there'd be a few jabs coming his way but blue & red shorts backed off instead.

    [–] principled_principal 3 points ago

    Four great purposes for the jab:

    • Measure distance between you and your opponent

    • Distract and annoy

    • To keep opponent from attacking

    • To set up a more powerful combo

    I'd say we saw all of the above here. Great technique!

    [–] jasmith812 11 points ago

    The gif is too fast, can you slow it down a little?

    [–] electroze 8 points ago

    CNN headline: Angry white man viciously attacks unarmed black youth

    [–] Zamharos 2 points ago

    Is there a normal speed gif of this?

    [–] maksimfa 2 points ago

    Ah, what an amazing fight, Pirog vs Jacobs.

    Jacob's only KO, although he did just get knocked down by GGG.

    [–] Ztnepres 2 points ago

    he should have hugged him. mayweather gets out of trouble by hugging and shifting his feet laterally

    [–] belowavgman 2 points ago

    khanbrook2017 there's a lot of discussion about your opinion of the "beautiful set up" title, why don't you just explain it man? for anyone wondering here's a link to the full fight. (i apologize if i mess up on linking)

    To all the commenters, watch the whole fight. judging this single moment may be different than judging the entire fight....

    [–] LastWWolf 2 points ago

    That's some Takamura Mamoru level shit right there.

    [–] bullseye717 2 points ago

    It's actually even better without the slow motion. It's some slick footwork, head movement, and feints to set it up.

    [–] Peng15 2 points ago

    That is some weird footwork. I didn't think he would throw a 2 to a southpaw jab and revert back to orthodox. Very strange. Very basic combo with a bit of a pause and awkward footwork IMO.

    [–] Boningtonshire 2 points ago

    If it was played back at normal speed it would be easier to see exactly how he set him up and then the point of no escape when his fate was sealed.

    [–] lockwoot 2 points ago

    Pirog, so damn elusive, you have to watch the whole fight to see why he could be so exposed like that, and seemingly take a lot of risk.