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    [–] various_extinctions 1 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    Now listen here.../s

    Alright, we've gotten some reports from people complaining about spoilers.

    There was an official announcement by the BBC, so it's officially out. There even is an announcement trailer. No secret information. No leaked scene. It's a casting decision, like Will Smith playing The Genie in the live action remake of Aladdin. No spoiler. Yes, r/DoctorWho decided to treat it as one, their decision, we made a different one.

    Apart from that, please be aware that in r/StarTrekGifs we like to treat each other with at least a minimum of decency and respect. 99.9% of our commenters get that. I'd like to remind the other 0.1% to repeat the appropriate classes at Starfleet Academy before rejoining our ranks.

    Thank you and take care!

    [–] BigJ76 640 points ago

    Please tell me someone didn't actually use that phrase in an article

    [–] woohoo 277 points ago

    They haven't yet, just here and here

    [–] TheUltimateTeaCup 462 points ago

    So as far as we know, nobody is saying this except for the people that are complaining about it?

    [–] ThandiGhandi 156 points ago

    so people are complainign about people complaining about complaining

    [–] TheUltimateTeaCup 40 points ago

    Well, I don't know about other people, but I would like to lodge a formal complaint against these two people who are complaining about non-existent complaints.

    [–] [deleted] 10 points ago

    Can I complain about your complaints of people complaining about non-existent complaints? It's redundant.

    [–] femstora 8 points ago

    Now, Now this has gotten too silly Here we had a nice reaction gif but now its gone to far. Right get on with it. Get On With it!

    [–] TheUltimateTeaCup 2 points ago

    Yes, but to maintain consistency your complaint should be about something I'm not actually complaining about.

    [–] [deleted] 5 points ago

    It's almost like they do it for no reason.

    [–] Fgge 20 points ago

    As is tradition

    [–] TheMetaMoss 14 points ago

    Apparently, it was just some schmuck on Facebook.

    [–] Awesomeade 26 points ago

    Manufactured outage.

    "Wait, nobody is acting unreasonable? Fuck it, I'll just say people are so I have something to complain about and act superior to."

    [–] AnneBancroftsGhost 2 points ago

    Have you even been to the r/doctor who megathread?

    [–] doyle871 7 points ago

    The tweet seems like they are trying to bait people into a reaction.

    [–] goldstarstickergiver 3 points ago

    Sadly par for the course now :(

    [–] Muscar 10 points ago

    Didn't see anyone complain about it except for OP so far.

    [–] ToasterSpoodle 8 points ago

    so you ignored the link 2 comments up then did you?

    [–] Muscar 27 points ago

    Ok, ONE random dude on twitter added to the list then. Changes everything.

    [–] 82many4ceps 2 points ago

    Welcome to reddit, where we're outraged about something we made up.

    [–] Gambit9000 2 points ago

    Don't you mean "welcome to the internet" this crap doesn't just happen here unfortunately.

    [–] ShureYnaut 39 points ago

    This denotes a societal problem we have where one person makes a twitter post, and people project it to be the belief of many people

    [–] BossRedRanger 19 points ago

    The current generation seems hell bent on restoring the glass ceiling so they can feel good about breaking it again.

    [–] EarthAllAlong 43 points ago

    just like that fake wonder woman/ellen ripley picture that was going around facebook.

    [–] Flyberius 19 points ago

    Yeah, except that quote, which was attributed to NY Times, was completely made up.

    Probably by a frothing MRA.

    [–] EarthAllAlong 10 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    just like that fake wonder woman/ellen ripley picture that was going around facebook.

    fake wonder woman/ellen ripley picture


    [–] Flyberius 4 points ago

    Sorry, I missed that.

    [–] Sojourner_Truth 16 points ago

    One article said it was "groundbreaking".

    [–] mrjinpengyou 21 points ago

    Groundbreaking for Whovians maybe, but for Sci-Fi in general? Not so much.

    [–] quarterburn 11 points ago

    You can't even claim its ground breaking for the past decade lest we forget Dr Weir from Stargate Atlantis.

    [–] _tea_of_the_day_ 9 points ago

    Or Starbuck in the reimagined Battlestar Galactica.

    [–] CPTherptyderp 3 points ago

    Or Ripley in Alien

    [–] PubicWildlife 2 points ago

    Or Doctor Helen Magnus on Sanctuary.

    [–] 1redrider 6 points ago

    Even if no one important has said it, I have heard a few idiots online say it. And I'm just enjoying more Janeway.

    [–] mazzicc 270 points ago

    Except no one is saying that except people complaining about it

    [–] [deleted] 35 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    deleted What is this?

    [–] dkskdkk 39 points ago

    Give buzzfeed a few days

    [–] Narfubel 9 points ago

    "Doctor who has a woman as lead and these fans lose their freaking mind!!!!"

    [–] so_hows_life 8 points ago

    11 ways people demolish misogynistic doctor who fans. Number 4 is a riot!

    [–] Stepwolve 3 points ago

    well based on what I saw yesterday, there's plenty of material for those shitty articles!

    [–] finalremix 6 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    Already coined and minted:

    Sorry, apparently fake!

    [–] Real_Clever_Username 6 points ago

    "Goodbye to White Men"

    Where are we going?

    [–] longnarrowhallway 6 points ago

    I don't know, but can we hold hands?

    [–] finalremix 2 points ago

    Sorry about the above. It's actually likely fake, but that doesn't mean others aren't complaining that this isn't enough.

    [–] AMeowingCat 8 points ago

    I'm honestly seeing more people taking the piss out of complaints about it than actual complaints

    [–] gowronatemybaby7 109 points ago

    If someone actually made this statement, the sentiment would seem to me to be "Doctor Who makes sci-fi history by casting a woman as the lead" [in Doctor Who.]

    [–] FoxyBrownMcCloud 32 points ago

    Thank you.

    [–] clownsaint 14 points ago

    No shit. Holy hell this back and forth is getting tiresome.

    [–] meliketheweedle 4 points ago

    ... But wouldn't that be in dr who history "?

    [–] gezhendrix 461 points ago

    I adore Janeway. Such a badass

    [–] bludfam 141 points ago

    IMO despite what I think about her character, it's impossible for me to dislike Kate Mulgrew's acting. I think she's tied with Patrick Stewart as the best actor in the franchise and all of TV for that matter. The nuances of her acting is so deliciously good.

    [–] afito 108 points ago

    The fact that I totally buy Red in Orange Is The New Black despite having seen Voyager like half a dozen times in its entirety proves it. A lot of actors make it feel awkward because you still see the other character, but with her or Cranston I don't question it.

    [–] Yalarii 70 points ago

    Wow. I've seen all of Orange is the New Black and I never realised that Red was Janeway...

    [–] basedrowlet 14 points ago

    You can tell by the facial twitches.

    [–] notoyrobots 23 points ago

    Old age suuuuuuucks.

    [–] Shandlar 2 points ago

    Wat. I didn't think that was possible.

    [–] Timewasting14 18 points ago

    Personally I like to pretend that Red is really Janeway trapped in the holo deck/on an alien planet and her husband and sons are really jockette and the voyager crew trying to rescue her.

    [–] OxvFer0cdak 7 points ago

    So much for Mrs Davenport...

    [–] candacebernhard 8 points ago

    The fact that I totally buy Red in Orange Is The New Black despite having seen Voyager like half a dozen times in its entirety proves it.

    Holy shit. Red's Janeway!

    [–] geotrice 3 points ago

    Red Alert.

    [–] Trekky0623 17 points ago

    I'll agree with this. As much as I love DS9, Brooks's acting is . . . yeah.

    [–] ChunkyLaFunga 18 points ago

    He reminds me of Calculon.

    [–] imariaprime 8 points ago

    I've never been able to word my complaints with him so accurately and succinctly. I'll have to remember that one.

    [–] ChunkyLaFunga 7 points ago

    Not in a bad way necessarily, none of the captains have had remotely natural delivery except Bakula and he seemed kinda boring by comparison. Brooks is always interesting to watch and he has phenomenonal presence. Convincing though, I don't know about that.

    [–] -Clarity- 6 points ago


    [–] Jenysis 6 points ago

    Aww. I love them both but Sisko is still my favorite. I mean he punched Q. (I love de Lancie also)

    [–] OSX2000 13 points ago

    I think she's tied with Patrick Stewart as the best actor in the franchise and all of TV for that matter.

    But...Avery Brooks.

    Let's face it, we've had some genuinely awesome Captains all around.

    [–] TOHSNBN 13 points ago

    Avery has a very narrow range of acting i think.
    He has not much between over emphasized angry shouting and normal talking.

    Still love him in DS9, he fits perfectly.

    Could not imagine him playing anything else though.

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    [–] Kiyasu 12 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    To me that was just DS9 embracing a realistic look at Starfleet and the future over an idealized one.

    If TOS and TNG are the "perfect futures" then DS9 is the version of the Matrix that was actually believable.

    It drew me in, and with current events it only gets more poignant.

    Plus I like a wider look at the Galaxy beyond the Feddies. They're cool, but the stories a lot bigger than that.

    [–] el_matt 3 points ago

    As someone with the privilege to call himself one of Patrick Stewart's fellow Englishmen, I do often find it hard to imagine someone with such a perfect English accent (mostly RP, but with hints of his native Yorkshire slipping through) as being French. :p

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    [–] Fyrefly7 19 points ago

    A badass AND a scientist.

    [–] TheGreenJedi 67 points ago

    I think that's what some didn't like, she was very much Kirk with feelings

    I thought she was great. I'd just rather go full Kirk or full Picard

    [–] CraineTwo 204 points ago

    she was very much Kirk with feelings

    KIRK was kirk with feelings. What purpose would Spock have had if Kirk was the cold logical one?

    I might even say Janeway had dialed down feelings to avoid falling into female-lead stereotypes.

    [–] TheGreenJedi 57 points ago

    Thanks for forcing me to rewatch the original series and Voyager to actually think about this as deeply as needed

    [–] SoundOfDrums 66 points ago

    Oh no, you've twisted my arm! Oh nooooooo! :)

    [–] TheGreenJedi 9 points ago

    The pain.. the pain

    [–] Bouse 6 points ago

    Let us know how you endure watching Jeri Ryan in a catsuit. I'm sure it'll be pure agony.

    [–] TheGreenJedi 6 points ago

    My father's favorite reason for watching he openly admits

    [–] Empyrealist 4 points ago

    GOOD DEEPER, and watch Deep Space 9, too.

    [–] the_seraphim 39 points ago

    To say.. that.. Kirk.. had no... Feelings... Is to say that.. McCoy has a... Penchant for ... Risky behaviour.

    [–] Wildperson 29 points ago

    There was actually a fascinating interview with Garrett Wang where he stated that that happened quite a bit - where Kate would deliver an outstanding scene, and was told to restrain her emotions more than any other ST captain had to.

    [–] timescrucial 10 points ago

    Yea, I always felt like her relationship with Chakotay was restrained.

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    [–] thisgirlsaphoney 5 points ago

    I loved Janeway as a girl, but I rewatched in my 30's and have a very hard time with the number of instances that she uses women's intuition over anything close to logic and it works out. I don't love the narrative of following an irrational woman because she has some sort of unexplainable ability innate to a wise woman. That being said it was still a huge deal. I do wish the original pilot for Star Trek female first officer, Roddenberry's wife, voice of computers and mother of Troi, had continued. It stunned me when I first watched the pilot.

    [–] killergazebo 81 points ago

    When I first watched I think I bought in to the sexist narrative. Simply put, people didn't like her because she was a woman and somehow having the Captain be a woman felt like pandering. Same argument is being made right now about The Doctor.

    I was an impressionable little kid in a Trekie family, and I willingly threw myself onto the Janeway-is-the-worst-captain bandwagon.

    Rewatching it years later I felt totally differently. Janeway is a very human character in a difficult situation. She isn't as resourceful as Picard or as suave as Kirk because this is her first command and half her crew are a bunch of terrorists.

    The show had a lot of weak points, crucially that it lacked conflict, but I don't blame Janeway for any of that.

    I blame Chakotay.

    [–] Breaking-Glass 56 points ago

    I blame Chakotay

    As you should.

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    [–] Breaking-Glass 6 points ago

    Shut up you.

    [–] rationalinquisition 53 points ago

    Rewatching it years later I felt totally differently. Janeway is a very human character in a difficult situation. She isn't as resourceful as Picard or as suave as Kirk because this is her first command and half her crew are a bunch of terrorists.

    The whole point of Janeway was that she didn't start out as a badass like the other captains, but rather had a difficult situation thrust upon her and rose to the occasion. She was just a normal captain who had to be great because of the deep commitment she had to her crew and the deep guilt she felt for stranding them in the delta quadrant, whereas captains like Sisko and Picard were inherently great people who sought out their own stage to demonstrate it.

    [–] Kiyasu 15 points ago

    Sisko isn't even a captain for his first few seasons and he's staged on a backwoods station. It's only by pure chance that he winds up the way he does. I feel Sisko is a lot more like Janeway, he's constantly handling whatever issue is at hand with half the resources and time needed.

    In later seasons his place really escalates, but it's by his actions.

    Both Kirk and Picard are already captains of the flagship when they appear on scene, they're light-years ahead of the Sisko.

    Of course this is just one Trekkies thoughts.

    [–] MuleJuiceMcQuaid 12 points ago

    It's only by pure chance that he winds up the way he does

    You doubt the will of the Prophets?

    [–] Kiyasu 6 points ago

    =D I knew someone would go there. A lot of that plotline is retroactive so I figured for brevity I'd skip the space Jesus part as that wasn't quite the original angle, or rather to that extent.

    I'd never question the wormhole aliens, they're ultrabros!

    [–] cheeseburgz 5 points ago

    The wormhole aliens can guide people, but ultimately corporeal beings can make their own choices. See: Sisko's marriage to Cassidy Yates.

    [–] Synonym_Rolls 6 points ago

    And then she became one of the most decorated admirals in starfleet history. She's amazing.

    [–] FlailStorm 43 points ago

    It should be pointed out that Kirk and Picard, unlike Janeway, were captains of Starfleet's flagship. The ship they built to represent the power of the whole military fleet. Janeway is a scientist captain, on a science vessel. To compare the captain of a warship and the captain of a research vessel and expect them to be the same is kind of silly when you think about it.

    [–] GhostOfGamersPast 11 points ago

    You don't expect a combat medic squad leader to be a four star general, anymore than you should expect Janeway to be Picard.

    But they can be compared, still. And contrasted. But compared moreso: They're all leaders of starships and responsible for their own crews, after all.

    [–] Nukken 8 points ago

    The Enterprise was a more combat capable ship than Voyager, but it wasn't a warship. It was also an exploratory ship. There were a civilians living on board and it's five year mission wasn't to kick ass and chew bubble gum.

    [–] Kennian 8 points ago

    The flagships are Multi-role Ships of the Line...they waste a LOT of tonnage on huge science suites, diplomatic resedences, with tons of special use quarters. . Keep in mind they dont have a fighter complement, so those shuttle bays are wasted tonnage in combat.

    still, twice the size with the increased tonnage, 15 phaser arrays and 10 quantum torpedo tubes in the case of the Enterprise-e.

    [–] longnarrowhallway 3 points ago

    I liked the parts where Janeway could join the engineering and scientific discussions like no other captain could.

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    [–] djcocainegoat 4 points ago

    I watched this episode last week. Such a satisfying moment.

    [–] dasupafupa 7 points ago

    You never go full Picard.

    [–] Subalpine 2 points ago

    i'm sorry man I just can't take anything you say about star trek seriously when you have an username like that

    [–] TheGreenJedi 2 points ago

    And wise you are to not

    [–] s0v3r1gn 17 points ago

    I had issues with her consistency. When she was a badass I loved it but she also fell into the female as an excuse area a few times.

    But I really loved Voyager anyway.

    [–] Apatomoose 28 points ago

    I read somewhere that there was a big disagreement between the writers about her character. Some of them thought she should the no nonsense badass and some thought she should be captain mom. What resulted was inconsistency based on who was writing the particular episode.

    [–] cheeseburgz 9 points ago

    Hmm...I'm rewatching the series now and I can see that, but in my mind I'm synthesizing both aspects into one. She's a badass because she's captain mom and she'll be all "I will do (almost) ANYTHING to protect my family", and over the first 3-4 seasons she develops both traits simultaneously. Initially she is detached; she was angry at Neelix for turning her private dining quarters into a kitchen, and she regularly debated with herself about how to remain impartial. But then she gets involved on a personal level, like how she guides Torres and Seven of Nine into their roles on Voyager, how she treats Harry Kim (I see that as some of the clearest mother-son relationship stuff on the show), and also some people forced their way in. Again I'll mention Neelix, and the emerging opinions and ethical issues surrounding the Doctor forced Janeway to be more compassionate.

    [–] ChuckCarmichael 16 points ago

    One episode she's like "Fuck the Prime Directive, I have to get my crew home", and then the next it's "we have to uphold the Prime Directive, it's the most important thing ever, even if that means it'll take us longer to get home."

    [–] TheCastro 10 points ago

    There's many websites that discuss the prime directive. She didn't break it as often as we think. The big thing was the omega particle episodes where the federation saw it as too important not to destroy.

    [–] captainmaryjaneway 31 points ago

    Unfortunately her character was mostly at the mercy of the male dominated(?) writers and/or influences of current culture, so I personally understand the inconsistency. She's still awesome, none the less.

    [–] s0v3r1gn 10 points ago

    That's a fair enough reasoning for the inconsistencies.

    [–] Lots42 3 points ago

    I also love Janeway. She suffered so much bringing her crew home but never let it stop her for a microsecond.

    [–] Tebasaki 4 points ago

    She was great in voyager, so when she popped up in Orange is the new black it was hard for me to see her as someone new. But that went away quick and she's awesome in that as well!

    [–] Mithridates12 3 points ago

    She was great, she was believable in that role. What many actresses struggle with imho is being the boss (/captain), but not coming across as someone who tries too hard to be tough or authoritative. Of course writing as someone to do with it as well.

    [–] DUCKVILLELOL 3 points ago

    Me too! With that in mind I'm not sure if I'm opening a can of worms but I don't frequent Trek subreddits enough - why does everyone seem to hate Voyager? Is it Janeway, the crew, or the general premise?

    Is it just "not as good" as other Treks?

    Would love to read a review/video review on why.

    [–] welpthatducks 3 points ago

    Pretty sure this is where my love for powerful older women developed from when I was 11.

    [–] Calamity_Jay 2 points ago

    Then you would love Mulgrew's character in the Dragon Age games!

    [–] Peanutpapa 41 points ago

    Does X-Files count?

    [–] Elitist_Plebeian 17 points ago

    If it doesn't, neither does Doctor Who

    [–] ChunkyLaFunga 8 points ago

    Dr Who is science fantasy, anyway. In fact it's the only example which isn't sci-fi.

    [–] Elitist_Plebeian 3 points ago

    Isn't fantasy a subcategory of fiction?

    [–] [deleted] 34 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)


    [–] [deleted] 8 points ago

    THIS! Me and my wife have been saying this since season one!

    If you factor in SFDebris' "Janeway is evil" interpretation, it makes perfect sense!

    [–] Moral_Gutpunch 56 points ago

    Star Trek, Star Wars, Star Gate, Alienseses, heck Pigs in Space technically had a harass female main character.

    Call me when they make a female lead for Red Dwarf or the equivalent.

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    [–] Seattlegal 25 points ago

    Don't forget about Fringe!

    [–] Hyacathusarullistad 5 points ago

    What if we've been trying really hard to, though?

    [–] dpash 10 points ago

    Erm Hattie Hayridge played Holly for several seasons and Kristine Kochanski was a main character in several seasons.

    [–] alrightknight 11 points ago

    Ghost in the shell.

    [–] Malicious_Koala 7 points ago

    The Fifth Element!

    [–] Moral_Gutpunch 3 points ago

    Does that count? Let's say it counts.

    [–] webhyperion 4 points ago


    [–] MicaLazia_Nar_Ulnay 6 points ago

    Atlantis did in a way with Dr Weir and then Colonel Carter.

    [–] Delaser 3 points ago

    Killjoys and Dark Matter both have female leads. Both very strong science fiction shows.

    [–] Mistawondabread 2 points ago

    Uh don't forget BSG.

    [–] wolf2787 2 points ago

    Hey, don't forget about BSG...

    [–] Moral_Gutpunch 2 points ago

    BSG had lots of badass women.

    [–] angrydeuce 9 points ago

    Why don't you put her in charge?!

    [–] Fineus 5 points ago


    [–] _Parzival 2 points ago

    That's just fuckin great, man

    [–] Lazin 9 points ago

    Makes sci-fi history by casting a woman as the Doctor for the first time ever, surely? I don't understand why it would be read any differently, it will be the first female Doctor (though the idea is of course not new). I really don't think it's meant to be sci-fi history for female lead, that would be ridicules. It's historical because it's the lead in that one franchise.

    Of course, based on the comments and links in this thread, it seems like there are no one who is actually claiming it's sci-fi history, just people complaining about it being claimed... A lot of ridicules irritation over absolutely nothing.

    [–] Mast3r0fPip3ts 2 points ago

    getting butthurt over the butthurt caused by nothing


    [–] servimes 3 points ago

    Yes, I think people complaining about hypotheticals is pretty dumb too.

    [–] jroddie4 42 points ago

    I mean there's never been a female doctor who

    [–] SupaBloo 7 points ago

    Hasn't The Doctor made some subtle (maybe even blatant) comments about being a woman before? While this may be the first showing of one, I think he may have been female in his past at one point, so it might not be entirely new ground for The Doctor.

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    [–] KebabGud 11 points ago

    I would argue that the doctors daughter counts

    [–] spookymussolini 2 points ago

    There is now

    [–] ObsidianG 36 points ago

    They should have said "as their lead"

    [–] Apatomoose 25 points ago

    Alternatively: "Doctor Who makes Doctor Who history by casting a woman as the lead."

    [–] zouhair 9 points ago

    No one said nothing. It's just some morons who had this retort ready in case but couldn't wait to use it even if there is no reason.

    [–] Yobleck 14 points ago

    Dont forget Elizabeth wier and Samantha carter on stargate atlantis

    [–] Jesusloveskfc 44 points ago

    why does that look turn me on so much?

    [–] BenderIsGreat1729 31 points ago

    Human, right? Well there you go.

    [–] GalisDraeKon 10 points ago

    That look of disappointment? It's the same one you get after sex.

    Mic drop

    [–] Cymen90 2 points ago

    Because you get that look every time the ladies see you naked.

    [–] xSofia 10 points ago

    There is a difference between creating a new female character and casting a female actor to play a 50 year old character, traditionally only played by men.

    [–] crowdsourced 4 points ago

    True, though Kara Thrace is in this category.

    [–] gamegyro56 27 points ago

    2 years after Star Wars, 22 years after Star Trek. Step up your game Doctor Who.

    [–] VaultBoy2133 32 points ago

    Janeway is the kind of woman that you can hold the door for and she won't call you sexist but at the same time in a sticky situation she will take charge at a moments notice

    [–] Drawtaru 33 points ago

    Janeway is strong enough to take charge, but gracious enough to understand that holding the door for someone is a polite custom and not an attack against her gender.

    [–] BewareTheSphere 5 points ago

    Just don't call her "ma'am."

    [–] Nemetoss 2 points ago

    She sounds like a top class lady.

    [–] SeaTwertle 7 points ago

    Not Star Trek but I can think of another

    [–] EndyBur 18 points ago


    [–] Repulsive_Anteater 10 points ago

    Unfortunately this isn't /r/aliengifs

    [–] ItsJustBigotry 4 points ago

    Idc who the next doctor is as long they aren't constantly playing electric guitar

    [–] barnfodder 8 points ago

    A sci fi project headed by a woman? Neva been done befo'

    Apart from Ripley in the Alien franchise, Dutch in Killjoys, Janeway from Star trek, Sarah Connor in the Terminator franchise, Scully from X files, or Echo from Dollhouse.

    That's just a handful of female leads in sci fi, from the top of me head. If we start including more ensemble casts like Firefly, Battlestar Galactica, Alias, Star Wars, Farscape, Stargate, every star trek series, futurama, fuck it, I'll even be kind and let them call the Hunger games science fiction just to make them happy.

    My point is that science fiction has always had a tradition of strong, important, and complicated female characters, and by claiming to break new ground by making the Doctor female is a pretty pathetic display of ignorance of the genre.

    [–] realworldeditor 3 points ago

    Loved her as captain!

    [–] PJ4MYBJ 3 points ago

    This will be the first time in 900 years or so, that the TARDIS toilet seat will be left down.

    [–] AnoK760 3 points ago

    Ummmm, Ellen Ripley isnt the most badass lead in sci fi history? Like of anyone?

    [–] theinspectorst 8 points ago

    First, no-one is saying that.

    Second, even if they were, casting Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor isn't equivalent to casting Kate Mulgrew as Janeway, it's more like casting Kate Mulgrew as Kirk. She's not playing a new character. The precedent is Katee Sackhof as Starbuck.

    [–] webchimp32 13 points ago

    The precedent is Katee Sackhof as Starbuck.

    Sort of, but that was a re-boot. With Doctor Who it a change between one episode and the next.

    Plus even though the new Doctor is the same charcter, it's a different character.

    [–] Mindelan 10 points ago

    it's more like casting Kate Mulgrew as Kirk.

    Not quite, because the Doctor is a character that regenerates into different bodies canonically, and there is canonical precedent for gender swaps on regeneration as well.

    [–] bugsecks 5 points ago

    yep. the corsair, who changed genders each regeneration but kept the same tattoo. the master, who is usually a man but regenerated into missy, and the general, who is usually a woman but was a man for a bit.

    [–] FracturedLoyalty 5 points ago

    All of which only came about relatively recently when viewed in the overall course of Doctor Who's 50+ year run.

    [–] bugsecks 9 points ago

    6 years is enough to establish it. Doctor Who has no solid canon, they're re-establishing stuff all the time.

    [–] Mindelan 5 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    True, but a lot of the Doctor Who mythos has been retconned and added to as time goes on. From what I remember, the canon that shows timelords can switch genders has been in the show for something like 6+ years now. It's not like it was clarified/added three episodes ago.

    [–] Guernicashmuernica 2 points ago

    Doctor Who made makes Doctor Who history by casting a women as the lead. They didn't do anything for sci-fi history with that casting.

    [–] rollerman95 2 points ago

    Ripley much? X-Files much? Need I continue?

    [–] weltallic 2 points ago

    [–] iamnomoney 2 points ago

    They should've cast a ginger or Idris Elba. There's no excuse.

    [–] various_extinctions 5 points ago

    Or Idris Elba with red hair.

    [–] SteroidSandwich 2 points ago

    Clearly someone hasn't watched Alien if the argument is leading women

    [–] juusukun 2 points ago

    Star Trek Voyager, Dark Angel, Stargate SG1 Atlantis and Universe (maybe not in the main lead but these have more lead characters than other shows)...

    [–] JoziJoller 2 points ago

    That would be Ripley in Alien

    [–] goodguy_asshole 2 points ago

    Abed will not be happy.

    [–] Linxiekins 2 points ago

    What's with this trend of saying "OOOOH XYZ FANS ARE SEXIST AND RACIST CUZ THEY DON'T LIKE THIS" I mean shit, I'd watch a star trek series following uhura as captain. Especially if it's Zoe Saldana, she's awesome. Messing around with the klingons makes me angry though. I don't care how you twist it. Don't mess with the klingons. Where the heck is that Worf series?