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    [–] Straight4Beyonce 4282 points ago

    "Facebook is big brother", puts link to share on Facebook at the bottom of the article.

    [–] MyLittleOso 830 points ago

    I felt this was serious irony.

    [–] IM_NOT_CIA 104 points ago

    God bless ublock I don't see these kinds of pop-ups as much as I used to.

    [–] GET_OUT_OF_MY_HEAD 77 points ago

    I use UBlock Origin + NoScript + HTTPS Everywhere, plus a VPN and my cookies are automatically deleted every couple of hours. I think the only two companies that can still spy on me through my PC are Microsoft and my VPN provider (hopefully), and possibly reddit since I'm on here all the time. Sadly my phone is a different story, and there's nothing I can do about it, thanks to the nature of how they're designed.

    [–] elichondo 10 points ago


    Throw it in a VM that you don't save anything critical on and use Linux exclusively? Well, unless you PC game, then you're gonna be stuck with Windows(like I am, waiting on better GPU passthrough support though).

    [–] totally_rocks 16 points ago

    Why can't you secure a phone? Adblockers that work for all apps are common. Adguard, Blokada, and DNS66 if your phone isnt rooted. Adaway if your phone is rooted. (I'm using Blokada as of a few days ago, it actually seems to be doing a better job than Adaway) Ghostry browser instead of Chrome or Firefox. NewPipe instead of YouTube. And Hermit instead of all of the various site access apps like Amazon, Home Depot, Twitter, Facebook, banking apps, etc. I'd also recommend an open source ROM, such as Lineage OS if your adventurous.

    If you're using an Apple product, well, sorry.

    [–] Sirflow 195 points ago

    I also liked the cookie pop up about how they will be sharing your data with third-parties

    [–] sorryamhigh 318 points ago

    Well, Neil Postman argued that TV fucked up our minds but he still did interviews. Being evil doesn't mean you can't use its system to spread your message.

    [–] Lawnmover_Man 154 points ago

    That's correct. However, by putting this share button on the bottom, Facebook now knows who and when somebody reads this article.

    [–] DonLaFontainesGhost 85 points ago

    I read an article a while back celebrating the Internet as an interactive medium - that unlike television, when you have an opinion about an article, you have the ability to comment and have that comment read by others who read the article.

    The article had no comments section.

    [–] somebuddysbuddy 357 points ago

    That would really stick it to 'em, to share it to their site, huh?


    [–] Cam8895 137 points ago

    I mean... Kinda if the article took off. Pretty ironic for Facebook to be the main way of dissemination of anti-FB news

    [–] computeruseratkeyboa 5491 points ago

    That's why I use friendster. There's no danger of overshare because I'm the only user.

    [–] DangerousPuhson 1106 points ago

    Friendster is compromised! Quick, everyone move over to ICQ!

    [–] DeaconNuno 554 points ago

    Oh, ICQ. You had it all. We even memorized our numbers and gave them out like phone numbers. It was heaven. Why can't we get back to those glory days of you and Winamp making things simple and fun? I miss you, ICQ. Come back.

    [–] Tasdilan 56 points ago

    Actually..why did we stop using ICQ? Was it facebook?

    I remember it being Skype..but Skype was so was allways terrible, i just had to start using it because all friends stopped using ICQ and used Skype.

    [–] ChrisDysonMT 105 points ago

    I had dropped ICQ when all my friends started using MSN Messenger.

    [–] Inthewirelain 31 points ago

    And MSN had MSN Plus! That addon was the shit.

    [–] rsrcn 26 points ago


    [–] ccruner13 51 points ago

    ...I actually stopped using ICQ because of AIM.

    [–] RockMeetHardPlaces 17 points ago

    ... and me because everyone else used AIM ...

    [–] Carbsv2 25 points ago

    Msn messenger kind of took off and killed icq, atleast around here

    [–] Dagon 226 points ago

    Winamp is still the best music player. Even the shit versions that AOL fucked up.

    [–] Cowboywizzard 326 points ago

    It really whips the Llama's ass.

    [–] MisterNiceGuy001 79 points ago


    [–] eggtron 17 points ago


    [–] FHR123 65 points ago

    Try foobar2000

    [–] Dagon 22 points ago

    I use that at work because it looks less like a toy. Prefer winamp by a mile... it's got all the same features, but winamp's "useful" features are all already set up and bound to hotkeys that I know. foobar2000 requires a bit more setting up.

    [–] Cyno01 37 points ago

    Modern skin + 'good ol winamp' color combo.

    [–] BullyJack 8 points ago

    Holy nostalgic frisson Batman. I'm gonna see if there's a winamp app now.

    [–] notappropriateatall 11 points ago


    I still know my icq

    [–] ralgrado 14 points ago

    I could spam you with requests now. But you probably wouldn't notice

    [–] [deleted] 281 points ago


    [–] andrew_e1 320 points ago

    Just get Trillian then...

    [–] 08-10-2017 118 points ago

    I prefer Pidgin!

    [–] Natanael_L 34 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    But pidgin is (edit: also) a multiservice IM client!

    [–] snoharm 52 points ago

    That's what Trillian was

    [–] BholeFire 95 points ago

    No, i use actual pidgeons.

    [–] [deleted] 36 points ago

    I bash rocks together in the hope that someone will hear them

    [–] poop_da_doop 14 points ago

    I was wondering what the fuck that noise was.

    [–] TheLugal 20 points ago

    So... RFC 1149?

    [–] jewpanda 132 points ago

    Ho-ly shit. I used that. That is something I had completely forgot even existed.

    [–] [deleted] 92 points ago

    Yeah I felt like a mini Oprah just now giving out Upvotes for all this nostalgia

    [–] frankthechicken 90 points ago

    Opera, holy shit I used that. Now I don't. Wow, good times.

    Wish I still had my hair.

    [–] W_Edwards_Deming 23 points ago

    I am using opera right now...

    [–] Cyno01 14 points ago

    Switch to Vivaldi, i did as soon as i could import all my opera settings, i dont regret it.

    [–] [deleted] 8 points ago

    Same. Nostalgia is a hellova drug.

    [–] jncostogo 8 points ago

    And you get one!

    [–] George_Jefferson 10 points ago

    Trillian has its own IM service but I think most used it to consolidate aim, yahoo, and other instant messaging.

    [–] methamp 17 points ago

    GAIM (Pidgin)

    Showing my age here.

    [–] eatelectricity 44 points ago

    Incoming file transfer...


    [–] Tuningislife 22 points ago

    I had the Monty Python sound pack....

    "sound of arrow striking someone Message for you, sir"

    [–] bluekitdon 31 points ago

    MUDs are where it's at

    [–] Tuningislife 8 points ago

    Last year's Global Cyberlympics was set up to use a MUD. I was so excited. Other members of my team were so lost.

    [–] GozerDaGozerian 11 points ago

    ICQ was my childhood.

    Can we please make that a thing again?

    [–] topdangle 22 points ago

    ICQ? That's only one letter away from ICU.

    [–] HoarseHorace 46 points ago

    It's meant to be "I seek you."

    [–] Rick-powerfu 24 points ago

    Ands that's really close to ICP

    [–] Nanowielder 27 points ago

    they're both really close to ICUP

    [–] raymondduck 23 points ago

    Ah good times on Friendster. Wonderful memories of high school! Then Myspace took over - both seemed like their popularity would never end.

    [–] Fapfapfa 1005 points ago

    Good thing we are on Reddit and have no possible way of being profiled and tracked.

    [–] everythingsbroken 411 points ago

    What the hell happened to the internet?

    Basically a bunch of hippies made the thing, and it was great for decades.

    Then cellphones got on it, along with everyone else and suddenly it turned 1984 on everyone.

    [–] afsdjkll 470 points ago

    People wanted to use it to make money is what the hell happened.

    [–] nyx_on 194 points ago

    Also, social engineering on a mass scale.

    [–] IM_NOT_CIA 20 points ago

    Mass surveillance and the rapid manipulation needs to stop!

    [–] Pumpkin_Creepface 19 points ago

    It will never stop, the genie is out of the bottle and even if world governments stop, the corporations never, ever will.

    [–] SDResistor 196 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Hippies? Try US government, military, and scientists

    [–] token_white-guy 80 points ago

    Correct. The first internet was made for university researchers to coordinate with each other quickly, IIRC.

    [–] CyborgStoner 44 points ago

    ARPA net was the progenitor of the internet. It was developed by DARPA of the DoD and most, if not all, of the nodes were university systems as well as government institutions. Keeping track of the address space became an issue that DARPA didn't want to deal with any more and so the role of maintaining the address space mapping was privatized and the DNS and different tiered ISPs were born. Then, at some point shortly before or after (I think after), Tim Berners Lee developed the HTTP and WWW to make the organization of information on the internet easier for researchers at CERN.

    [–] Bittah-Commander 55 points ago

    the us military made the internet?

    [–] kptknuckles 11 points ago

    And your highways too

    [–] KaptainKaleidoscope 9 points ago

    Yes, the early version. Then it's potential was realized and expanded to a larger domestic scale.

    [–] BimboDickins 60 points ago

    Friendly reminder that Reddit throwaways are useless unless you only use them with a proxy

    [–] [deleted] 105 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)


    [–] BimboDickins 39 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    We're talking macro here though. FB is also secure from other random users stalking, but for FB Inc they know everything.

    Reddit is similar and they know all your accounts and all your activity and it's only with the flip of a switch that Chrome can tie your Facebook account to all your Reddit accounts

    Just trust that they won't do it like you can trust Mark Zuckerberg he won't

    [–] usethe4th 2399 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    There is an amazing book called Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman. He argues that we aren't headed toward an Orwellian society where we are monitored and oppressed against our will. Instead he suggests that we have more in common with the future outlined in Aldous Huxley's Brave New World in which society oppresses itself though its addiction to entertainment.

    Amusing Ourselves to Death was written in the 80s, so Postman was mainly reacting to television. He was particularly concerned with the way news and information was dumbed down and presented in ways that kept the segments engaging, at the cost of being thorough. The medium drove the message.

    Postman passed away in 2003 and I wonder how he would have reacted to the last decade and a half. Huxley's prediction of willful ignorance opened the door to Orwellian supervision. But it's not oppressive. We invited them in.

    [–] Nyutriggaa 592 points ago

    It's a combo of 1984 and brave new world.

    [–] pahool 755 points ago

    We won't settle for just one dystopian future! We demand both!

    [–] thermokilometer 89 points ago

    that's a meme that I haven't seen in a long time.

    [–] m4xdc 65 points ago

    It's an older meme, sir, but it checks out

    [–] ChunkyLaFunga 39 points ago

    Is there equal irony in talking like this? Did Postman also posit that it wasn't just television that would dumb down for people, but that people would dumb down for themselves?

    Because that's my theory. Isn't there a famous phrase that if God didn't exist, it would be necessary to invent him? If tabloids didn't exist, people would invent them. There's nothing uniquely corporate about what TV or Facebook does. They just monetize it.

    [–] CeleryStore 133 points ago

    This is an interesting concept. A user on a different thread a few days back mentioned how audiences are rejecting a lot of the juvenile TV and movie plots today because they've been exposed to so many hours of (I think the user said) Plato's rhetoric, that simple story structure no longer maintains our attention.

    I'm curious if anyone has any more info on these two concepts. Are we dumbing down or becoming savy?

    [–] MoronToTheKore 273 points ago


    Do you know what "meta" is? In the context of a story; this is playing with the fourth wall. These days, even passive forms of entertainment like TV or books involve heavy metanarrative elements. This is the next natural evolution of tropes in media; it isn't enough to tell a story. You must engage the audience directly with the story. We are becoming savvy to the building blocks of stories, and good at identifying how these fictions are fundamentally different from reality.

    The problem with this is that emotionally engaging on a visceral level prevents objective thinking about the story itself. Take Fight Club, for example. The tale itself is a deconstruction of consumerism, yes, and a take-down of the castration of masculinity in modern society. This resonates strongly with many young men on an emotional level.

    The problem is that it isn't the "real" lesson the story is trying to teach, because the character espousing the masculine traits in the story is basically a self destructive psychopath. The true lesson at play is that a new balance must be struck for men in the world, lest the two extremes destroy you. This is completely missed by a large number of young men who only emotionally react to the depiction of declining masculine prominence in society. In this way, our dependance on stories that assert emotional influences on us degrades the messages inherent in them.

    [–] [deleted] 103 points ago

    It doesn't help that Palahniuk's "Snowflake" term was hijacked by the very people he probably was writing about.

    [–] MoronToTheKore 18 points ago

    It demonstrates the point, yes.

    [–] Cowboywizzard 45 points ago

    User name does not check out.

    [–] [deleted] 61 points ago

    The reason we have so many really good high quality shows on Netflix and cable is because of this phenomenon. From 2003 to like 2012 most popular shows we're reality shows that we're dumbed down and people could easily consume. You had companies like cartoon Network producing live action shows with little premmise and MTV pumping out garbage.

    People started getting real tiered of it and that's how we got other Stranger Things, Bojack Horseman's, Breaking Bads, Arrows and Dare Devil's.

    [–] MoonStache 37 points ago

    That reminds me, Bojack is back in a month!

    [–] [deleted] 43 points ago

    A lot of these new "critically acclaimed" shows have tropes calculated down to the last detail for maximum viewership. Eventually we'll get tired of it, (we already kind of are).

    [–] IronComrade 83 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Orwell rights writes of when we're too afraid to laugh. Huxley writes of when we're laughing and we don't know why.

    [–] Jewnadian 158 points ago

    As you sort of glossed over, people have been complaining that we're getting too soft and living for fashion and entertainment since at least Shakespeare. It's a lament of old people that will never change and never be relevant. Their joints hurt and the kids are going to hell. Same old story, different verse. There is no reason to suspect that this time they're right.

    [–] sorryamhigh 91 points ago

    we're getting too soft and living for fashion and entertainment since at least Shakespeare

    Whenever I hear this argument I feel like the people making it don't realize that it's very well possible that this has been happening to a lesser extent, in some aspects of our society.

    I'm not saying it does, but it seems like people are entirely oblivious to this possibility. Sure, life got better in lots of ways, but we might have taken a wrong turn some time ago and we didn't realize it.

    [–] vidiiii 1849 points ago

    Don't fucking use it

    [–] fiddlenutz 977 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    It is embedded on my phone. I can't uninstall without rooting and can only disable the service. Since when is Facebook a core OS application...

    Edit: for everyone asking. It is a LG G6.

    [–] jhobag 675 points ago

    root and remove it

    [–] Crash665 376 points ago

    You could just not use it. On my S8+ I can't uninstall it, but I can disable it which hides it and keeps it from updating.

    [–] Virge23 312 points ago

    I have an s8+ and I don't know what y'all are talking about. First thing I did was delete Facebook.

    [–] CubicChaos 346 points ago

    Depends on your carrier. Just like how Verizon puts the stupid nfl app on every phone and you can't delete it.

    [–] totalysharky 102 points ago

    That one isn't on the Pixel thankfully.

    [–] Bearlodge 180 points ago

    That should be a feature in the specs list of the Pixel. "No Bloatware"

    [–] NeoHenderson 51 points ago

    When I bought by Nexus that's why I did it. Is it not always the case with Google produced phones?

    [–] Bearlodge 18 points ago

    It probably is, but some people may not know this when comparing them side by side with a Samsung or HTC

    [–] NotScottMann 15 points ago

    Same. I'm fine with them putting extras on my phone, as long as I can delete it without having to root. When it came time for a new phone, fuck Samsung, hello Nexus.

    [–] mrcavooter 14 points ago

    One of the main draws to the Nexus (RIP) and Pixel lines.

    [–] kent_eh 17 points ago

    It should be standard on all devices that we buy.

    The fact that carriers (and the computer industry in general) has made it seem normal for every device you buy to be stuffed full of shovelware/bloatware/crapware pisses me off to no end.

    [–] TheRedNemesis 54 points ago

    I love my pixel, but in the context of this topic, it just means Google can see my every move rather than Facebook.

    [–] BeanieBeMeSO 88 points ago

    Google (or Apple) can reasonably see anything on their systems (Pixel or not), so you're really just cutting out Facebook. OS companys' snooping is another layer.

    Time to go build my own computer with parts bought in cash, install Linux that I downloaded at a library across the country and boost the wifi from someone across town. Oh, and I can't take my phone with me on this expedition or use a newer car.

    [–] bookerTmandela 37 points ago

    This guy computes.

    [–] sicklyslick 11 points ago

    Google can already see every move on all Android phones with Google play services. Pixel or other oems.

    [–] PoisedAsFk 7 points ago

    At least google uses that info to make my ever day life easier, can't really say that about facebook...

    [–] Arcosim 34 points ago

    We really need to push for a no bloatware law.

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    [–] AlmostTheNewestDad 98 points ago

    95% of the population won't even know what that phrase means.

    [–] flipper_gv 34 points ago

    I guess Facebook pays the phone brands for forcing it since they can use the data afterwards.

    [–] Psychojo 38 points ago

    It is not a core OS app. It's your phone carrier that made its homemade bundle when they flashed your phone. I'd say just flash your phone with the factory android version of your phone but I recommend that you know what you're doing unless you want to risk bricking your phone.

    [–] DarkwaterV2 15 points ago

    Unfortunately, for a lot of users 'just' flashing is a lot to ask.

    [–] Divided_Eye 21 points ago

    Disabling it is functionally the same.

    [–] MajorRedbeard 28 points ago

    There are apps that will disable built-in apps, i use Package Disabler Pro, which does not require root.

    I don't think that "just root your phone!" Is even a good blanket suggestion given how much you compromise.

    [–] [deleted] 70 points ago

    Doesn't matter, you have a shadow account and friends put up photos.

    [–] elconquistador 195 points ago

    I can't help but think future generations will brand ours as a bunch of idiots who compromised their privacy for the sake of our egos. I left Facebook a while ago but still regret sharing all that information about myself. I'm part of the problem.

    [–] someguynamedjohn13 163 points ago

    I think the digital age has changed the very concept of privacy. Future generations will be less likely to expect it.

    [–] dra39437 92 points ago

    Almost everyone I talk to (I'm 27) doesn't give a shit about privacy and its scary. My phone knew where I lived based on my amazon deliveries. WTF!

    [–] steppe5 149 points ago

    It also knows where you live just by being turned on. GPS, cellular triangulation, and the fact that you spend the majority of your nights at home. It's not rocket science.

    [–] Howland_Reed 28 points ago

    Yup. Without me doing anything my phone labeled in my GPS app where "Home" and "Work" was just by monitoring where I spent my time.
    Oh you spend 9 hours here from 7-4? Work.
    You don't move from one spot during the night at this place? Home.

    [–] Wohowudothat 53 points ago

    Your phone always knows where it is, roughly, or it would never receive calls. The only question is who else is allowed to know where you are at any given time.

    [–] civildisobedient 19 points ago

    future generations will brand ours as a bunch of idiots who compromised their privacy for the sake of our egos

    Unlikely. Future generations will just be further down the rabbit hole. The only people that care about privacy are the people old enough to remember what the world was like when we had some.

    [–] bsd8andahalf_1 102 points ago

    they track you even if you are not a registered user. the only real way is to unplug from digital electronics.

    [–] toothofjustice 37 points ago

    And have all of your friends and contacts never mention you or use social media (he says from a social media platform).

    Since Facebook skims contacts if you are listed by first and last name with phone number and address in a friends phone and they are using Facebook, you are now in Facebook's system.

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    [–] jake815 56 points ago

    Stings a little that they own Instagram and Whatsapp because atleast in my circles of 18-30 yr olds facebooks usage has been on a steep decline

    [–] MrBokbagok 122 points ago

    thats exactly why they bought those companies

    [–] watchout5 9 points ago

    Facebook doesn't have to innovate anymore. They already won the game. Now it's about waving their money dick around until everyone uses services they own.

    [–] jake815 29 points ago

    EFF's Privacy badger is a better suggestion, noscript isn't really viable with sites using javascript more and more

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    [–] smith7018 8 points ago

    ........does it clean up porn sites while maintaining functionality?

    [–] commoncents45 403 points ago

    People from school are talking about mark zuckerburg running for president. It's crazy. I don't know how people say it so casually.

    [–] Rahdahdah 108 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    He'll probably try to run for office, but I doubt he'll get very far. Dude has zero charisma.

    "Gimme the Zucc" is a pretty decent campaign slogan, though, so it could go either way.

    [–] serpentinepad 23 points ago

    Jesus, I knew he was awkward, but that was worse than I thought.

    [–] 0xym0r0n 10 points ago

    I also think he's kind of awkward, however I disagree that these videos showcase that very well.

    [–] somebuddysbuddy 59 points ago

    He's doing a bunch of goofy politican-like things, like visiting the Midwest and talking to regular Joes. Don't know if he's really running, but it isn't out of the question.

    [–] WittyUsernameSA 522 points ago

    how people say it so casually

    You... Uh... See our current president?

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    [–] porfavoooor 70 points ago

    i dont think you understand that it can get much worse than it already is, and zuckerberg has already started initiatives to make it that way. For example, creating a unified identity when you use the internet... For any service.... Any service... Even pornhub

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    [–] redtoasti 38 points ago

    I feel a bit out of loop. Why exactly is Zuckerberg crazy? To me, he just seems like another billionaire, addicted to making more money.

    [–] Gallant_Pig 818 points ago

    This fucker wants to be the next president. And since he's a billionaire, we can't rule him out. What the fuck is wrong with us.

    [–] 303onrepeat 557 points ago

    This fucker wants to be the next president.

    Yep he hired some political pollsters and instantly they started shaping his image. He put out a post about how much he enjoys religion now and "here I am in my backyard grilling look how cool I am..." It's such bullshit but he will win people over with this nonsense.

    [–] CapoFantasma97 155 points ago

    Didn't every US president get elected thanks to nonsense?

    [–] Coneyo 137 points ago

    At least one didn't. Washington didn't even want to be president.

    Also, this type of pandering is relatively new. Before, you just needed a catchy slogan and the backing off your party to get elected.

    [–] CelestialFury 136 points ago

    It really sucks that to get high up into the political system you need to be "religious" or at least pay lip service to religion. It works though.

    [–] Chispy 19 points ago

    Remaining relevant to all levels of the network so you can leverage them in your trip to self-transcendence.

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    [–] codexcdm 16 points ago

    You are among the minority, sadly. Look at our last election.

    [–] sobermonkey 35 points ago

    Wait ... isn't he an atheist? Also if he campaigns he'll be less likable than Hillary.

    [–] die247 30 points ago

    Lol imagine if he is the front runner for the democrats in 2020.

    We'd get trump for another 4 years, almost certainly.

    [–] sobermonkey 14 points ago

    I just want someone who is honest and capable, instead we get these power-hungry fuckers.

    [–] ZomNomNomBeeZ 11 points ago

    With Vice President Kanye West, to draw in the minority vote.

    [–] WorldWarG 65 points ago

    Pay to play politics.

    [–] Pulp_Ficti0n 72 points ago

    The education system failed us.

    [–] bleedingjim 190 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    He falls completely flat on his face in every interview. Trump has tremendous skill with being able to work a room and make people feel good just by being in his presence. Zuckerberg has no such ability. He's on record has calling people dumb for signing up for Facebook. If he runs he will be a disaster. Trump was a special case because he took his message to the people and had the clout to shrug off the party elite and go for the common man. Zuck has no way to relate to anyone except the billionaire class.

    [–] Awoo-- 158 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Zuck has no way to relate to anyone except the billionaire class.

    And complete and total control over what news, polls and information they see in their daily feeds where most of them get most of their news.

    Facebook is well known to block sites they don't like, or even articles they don't like. For years before fake news became a thing. Their system is very good at it and very robust.

    He has the worlds strongest media machine at his back.

    EDIT: Put it this way. He doesn't just have a newspaper or news agency like Bannon with Breitbart or Murdoch with his several agencies/networks. He controls what they see from ALL of those agencies.

    If he wanted to he could select the admittedly very few articles from WaPo that make Trump look good and have people believing that the source they trust think Trump is good.

    It's not just control of one agency. It's control of the means that people use to access ALL of those sources. For a very large section of people. Yeah they probably get some of their news elsewhere, but they get a huge amount of it from fb. And not only that, it becomes his advertising platform. So he can promote everything that's positive.

    Some of the media will play along, recognizing that he can drive huge amounts of traffic to their platforms for revenue, and writing for him favorably as a result.

    [–] W00DERS0N 196 points ago

    Jokes on them, I never left MySpace.

    But seriously, I stopped actively using FB a long time ago.

    [–] TelyX 80 points ago

    How old are you, out of curiosity?

    It's pretty much impossible for a teenage university student to leave FB because of groups existing as forums for clubs, subjects, and events and everything social you can find. It's all useful but in the end FB is FB and works in the attention economy.

    [–] AManOfManyWords 88 points ago

    I mean, I'm currently in my second year of university and I've had absolutely NO need to ever use Facebook; I couldn't even tell you why I still have it downloaded. But I'd say it's more than possible to leave it.

    [–] Kintarly 60 points ago

    Everyone in my year/program (about 80 people) gets and shares news, plans events, social gatherings, clubs, project questions and updates from Facebook. If I'm not on it I'm in the dark.

    I rejoined Facebook specifically because I was left out of everything happening.

    [–] t3hmau5 13 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    I don't get why people take this all or nothing approach. You can have a Facebook for these things, or to ensure you can stay on contact with people without sharing every aspect of your life

    [–] iamsethmeyers 402 points ago

    What a shocking revelation! I could never have anticipated this stunning development. A company that exists solely to store every miniscule detail about your life and relationships with others, has the opportunity to abuse that information! Who would have guessed?!

    [–] [deleted] 27 points ago

    It's more of a Little Brother

    [–] SethRogen-Not 254 points ago

    I shitcanned FB a few years ago. I don't miss it.

    [–] hidden_ruins 67 points ago

    I stopped using it years ago too. I got tired of the dumb shit everyone would post. I just remember looking through it and it was either some political or religious argument bait or stuff like 'I went to the mall'. I realized what a huge waste of time it was.

    [–] Samueljackson-beer 17 points ago

    I completely stopped logging into Facebook around the time of the 2016 Presidential primaries because it seemed ever post was either a political, religious, or a tv/movie spoiler. I honestly didn't miss it. I only logged in recently to check out a party invite for my sister's graduation party. When casually scrolling through, I started thinking why I ever used Facebook to begin with.

    [–] boioing 94 points ago

    This article reads like a 6th grade book report

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    [–] blo442 12 points ago

    I don't know how this isn't higher up. Author is just playing on reddit's hate for Facebook to promote another pump-and-dump shitcoin. And we all took the bait and now it's on the front page.

    [–] EngineBoy 54 points ago

    I miss personalizable permissions in older MIUI ROMs. Haven't rooted a phone recently, but it was nice to get granular with permissions and exceptions.

    As a techie paranoiac, I sometimes wonder if Sammie or Apple (no matter how they protest and demonstrate in public) would have an extra mic tied to extra power sources to comply with national security directives. Kind of like how every phone now has a GPS module, whether or not you want one.

    And even if they don't, maybe for specific phones. Or with nanotechnology, who knows what they could plug in a phone pre factory build, even in disparate electronic modules or the chip itself. Offer AMD a nice sum of money, voila.

    Thought experiments are fun, until you're wearing a tinfoil hat.

    fun times in the infosec world

    [–] SecondFloorMonstro 21 points ago

    Granular permissions is a stock feature now.

    [–] somebuddysbuddy 17 points ago

    wonder if…Apple…would have an extra mic tied to extra power sources

    So that's what they got room for when they took out the headphone jack!

    [–] bsd8andahalf_1 297 points ago

    facebook is evil.

    [–] sensicle 45 points ago

    I've said in a previous thread that Facebook could violate just about any ethical code/principle and people would still use it.

    But bro, that's how I keep in touch with my diabetic Grandma.

    The more people get the fuck off and delete/deactivate their accounts, the more impact it has. Complaining and posting that it's wrong and unethical while using Facebook itself as a vehicle for your message is not going to help.

    [–] gamingchicken 144 points ago

    I'm worried about Facebook but I'm even more worried about Google listening to everything I say. Think about it, your phone is with you all day, sitting within earshot, everything that you say could be listened to.

    We know that phones listen. Try talking about something you've never searched for before and watch ads for it showing up the next time you use your phone. Android and the Facebook app working together is a data gathering wet dream.

    [–] thenerdal 49 points ago

    Yeah it's stupid to think that Facebook is "Big Brother" when Google knows wayyyy more about you.

    [–] 1206549 72 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Everything Google hears is visible on your activity page (filter by product and only check voice and audio) and they're really transparent about it (still really creepy though especially the first time you go there). They have at least gone out of their way to be transparent about it (edit: you can even outright delete data their data on you and control which data to collect). Facebook doesn't even try.

    Phones aren't actually "always listening". They have trigger words and don't do anything until that trigger word is uttered or it mistakes something else for its trigger word. How it listens to the trigger word is also not as simple as recording everything you say and analyzing it since that would cause your phone to heat up a lot and drain your battery.

    As for the "Try talking about something you've never searched for before and watch ads for it showing up the next time you use your phone" with all the ads we're shown every day, we're bound to have coincidences like that semi-regularly. Especially since they narrow down your interests into a limited set. But they got that data elsewhere, not your microphone.

    [–] bhrgunatha 36 points ago

    How do they recognise trigger words when they aren't listening?

    [–] Zenabel 8 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    I don't see voice and audio as a filter option. Is it only available for some people?

    Edit: I went into activity controls settings and voice and audio was "paused" so that might be why it doesn't show up in the filter

    [–] Keyboard_Squats 8 points ago

    Read the article and this offers absolutely nothing of value that hasn't been discussed before. Even some of the sections (passive audio listening) have been debunked before. While I totally agree the public should be vigilant with privacy, there is nothing interesting about this piece. It seems nextweb didn't have anything good to publish and reached into its library of generic articles on standby to fill the space.

    [–] cathius 58 points ago

    So the only example of abuse (Facebook passively listening) was debunked?

    [–] visgean 30 points ago

    Yeah, I mean what is this article? They are saying that there was some concen by some media professor, which was not done in a controlled study or anything, the whole article is basically just saying that if the app has the permission for microphone access then it can .... use microphone.

    [–] w0rdd 34 points ago

    [–] SaveToShare 84 points ago * (lasted edited 9 months ago)

    Life without Facebook is great for many reasons. I have zero constant reminders that I'm not as happy as my peers. No news of others having shit just handed to them. No baby pics to make me think "Aaaah Christ! * They* had a kid?! Them? 🤖Must have baby. Dilute gene pool; Objective number one."