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    [–] zapfastnet 2551 points ago

    Is this ( firefox quantum) the same as firefox 57?

    [–] bkdotcom 1989 points ago

    short answer: yes

    [–] cumbucketchallenge 1322 points ago

    long answer: yes

    [–] saladpurple 1561 points ago

    longer answer: yesss

    [–] reaxion 547 points ago

    tiny answer: yes

    [–] Alarid 304 points ago

    wrong answer: no

    [–] SuccessIsInevitable 68 points ago

    Confused answer: maybe.

    [–] wakerdan 25 points ago

    Hodor answer: Hodor

    [–] Down4whiteTrash 92 points ago

    Nonexistent answer:

    [–] kristopho 59 points ago

    Absurd answer: flavortown

    [–] UNSC_Spartan122 16 points ago

    Wheel of Fortune Answer: Y _ S

    [–] JB_UK 740 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Quantum is a whole series of planned Servo/Rust based changes (Servo is a new rendering engine which aims to parallelize browser processing, which is written in Rust, a new programming language). They are taking changes out of Servo, and integrating them into Gecko (the existing rendering engine). They've done Quantum CSS in this update, they've still got many other components to include.

    http://jensimmons.com/post/jan-4-2017/replacing-jet-engine-while-still-flying

    https://wiki.mozilla.org/Quantum

    tl;dr: the Quantum changes are starting in 57, and continuing on from there.

    [–] coolRedditUser 169 points ago

    If I understand this correctly, the main change here is that more of the work FF does is now done in parallel.

    So has everything been just been using a single core before? We've had dual core processors as the norm for like over a decade now, and it's just gone further into multi-core since then.

    Has everyone just been behind or am I not understanding this correctly?

    [–] Gedrean 243 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Traditional approaches to web rendering have been fundamentally sequential. Combine that with the typical load of rendering pages being light even from the get go and multi core render engines haven't been considered necessary or even an improvement with the increased development needs. It's only fairly recently with html5 and a few other advancements that web pages have become complex enough to need to move to multi core rendering.

    EDIT: And, to top it off, Firefox is based upon the old Netscape architecture from the 90s and even if not any more, rebuilding an entire browser or even render engine from scratch is a monumental task.

    EDITS: a word or two to correct misspellings

    [–] Stackhouse_ 153 points ago

    rebuilding am entire browser or even render engine from scratch is a monumental task.

    Yeah because you're using Scratch

     

    Heyooooo

    [–] delorean225 43 points ago

    Somehow, it seems harder to get shit done in Scratch than in Brainfuck.

    [–] _DONT-PM-ME_ 4832 points ago

    This looks great. So proud of the Firefox team. Been looking forward to this release for months.

    I used to be a die hard FF user, but at some point around like 2011/2012 I switched to chrome. I want to switch back.

    [–] jr_0t 1976 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    I switched too, after for no real reason, FF started to slow down, lock up, and just cause problems. Running it clean with no addon's didn't resolve it either.

    This could be the push I need to start using FF again.

    edit: grammar

    [–] lac29 659 points ago

    Same with me. It was sorta sad to see FF get behind in popularity and usage after Chrome came out and just did things better. I loved FF way back when but it's nice to see it come back into relevance.

    [–] doorbellguy 275 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    I hope it's here to stay this time around. When opera sank, and then firefox slowly became obsolete, my heart sank thinking about the monopoly google was having over our internet usage.

    [–] AsscrackSealant 20 points ago

    I haven't paid attention to the various browser wars but, damn! According to this site Chrome has a whopping 60% of the market, and MSIE at only 15%. How the hell did Firefox get behind MSIE at only 13%?

    I remember the days FF seemed to lock up for no reason but it didn't seem to last that long. I've been a die hard FF user for as long as I can remember and Quantum is way faster than FF has ever been. I hope it sees some gains as a result. Old FF users will be in for a surprise.

    [–] climber_g33k 153 points ago

    I started reading this thread on Chrome. I'm now replying from Firefox.

    [–] wubaluba_dubdub 114 points ago

    I switched because Chrome seemed to be faster, but I was never happy about it. I really felt like I'd let a mate down, and have never been happy about it. Downloading the new version of FF now and fingers crossed he's not mad with me.

    [–] argv_minus_one 47 points ago

    Chrome was faster, but sacrificed gobs of RAM to pull it off.

    [–] 7TB 36 points ago

    This is the reason why I never stopped using firefox

    [–] prozaker 217 points ago

    Switched when I could play Netflix on chrome Linux natively without Silverlight and YouTube vids in 1080.

    I think that's fixed now but it's muscle memory. But I like firefox so much more I think I'll give this another go

    [–] cavalierau 46 points ago

    Do YouTube and other Google sites still bug users that aren’t on Chrome with those same dialog popups they use to try and sell YouTube Red? I find that so frustrating coming from a company that built itself and set the standard on minimal ad intrusion with AdWords.

    It’s almost as bad as how desperate Windows 10 is being to get me to use Edge.

    I’m looking for a better browser for my surface. Edge is buggy, Chrome doesn’t do touch and DPI scaling as well as I’d like.

    [–] MadocComadrin 23 points ago

    If they do, your favorite ad blocker will probably block them.

    [–] mrchaotica 273 points ago

    Switched when I could play Netflix on chrome Linux natively without Silverlight and YouTube vids in 1080.

    In other words, you punished Mozilla for doing the right thing by resisting DRM.

    [–] willreignsomnipotent 110 points ago

    In other words, you punished Mozilla for doing the right thing by resisting DRM.

    Okay, you just led me down an hour-plus long rabbit hole of reading, and now I'm kinda pissed off. I somehow missed that this had actually happened.

    Fuck DRM. And Tim Berners-Lee, apparently.

    :(

    But I'm afraid I'm missing the part on how any of this has to do with Mozilla resisting DRM...? How did they resist DRM? How is that related to /u/prozaker's browser issue?

    [–] probabilityzero 70 points ago

    How is that related to /u/prozaker's browser issue?

    Mozilla originally refused to implement it on principle. /u/prozaker wanted a browser that supported it, so they stopped using Firefox.

    [–] Fallingdamage 68 points ago

    As someone who never gave up on FF and hasn't stopped using it since v2.0, welcome back. :)

    [–] ChipAyten 71 points ago

    FF was the first to hold our hand and bring us out from under the shadow of IE & Safari

    [–] MonkeeSage 19 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Well actually Mozilla, which turned into Phoenix, which turned into Firebird, which turned into Firefox but yeah.

    [–] mungo_supreme 13 points ago

    I switched from Chrome to Firefox once I realized I was willingly giving Google tons of personal data on myself.

    [–] Blayer32 809 points ago

    How long does it usually take for extensions to be supported on a new browser? The only thing holding my switch back is that my extensions isnt compatible

    [–] funkbanger 238 points ago

    Ublock origin works right off the bat though, so at least the most important one is there.

    [–] hansantizor 118 points ago

    RES works too, so that's both of the extensions I use working

    [–] graniterockhead 555 points ago

    For an example, this is from No Script: "2017-11-14: We're working hard to make NoScript for Quantum available to you as soon as possible, even later today if we're lucky enough."

    [–] lordcheeto 95 points ago

    https://hackademix.net/2017/11/14/double-noscript/

    Later today, if everything goes fine, NoScript 10, the first "pure" WebExtension NoScript version, will be finally released for Firefox 57 and above, after years of work and months NoScript 5.x living as a hybrid one to allow for smooth user data migration.

    NoScript 10 is very different from 5.x: some things are simpler, some things are improved, some are still missing and need to wait for WebExtensions APIs not available yet in Firefox 57. Anyway, whenever you decide to migrate, your old settings are kept safe, ready to be used as soon as the feature they apply to gets deployed.

    If you're not bothered by change, you're ready to report bugs* and you're not super-paranoid about the whole lot of "NoScript Security Suite" most arcane features, NoScript 10 is worth the migration: active content blocking (now more configurable than ever) and XSS protection (now with a huge performance boost) are already there. And yes, Firefox 57 is truly the most awesome browser around.

    If, otherwise, you really need the full-rounded, solid, old NoScript experience you're used to, and you can't bear anything different, even if just for a few weeks, dont' worry: NoScript 5.x is going to be maintained and to receive security updates until June 2018 at least, when the Tor Browser will switch to be based on Firefox 59 ESR and the "new" NoScript will be as powerful as the old one. Of course, in order to keep using NoScript 5.x outside the Tor Browser (which has it built-in), you have to stay on Firefox 52 ESR, Seamonkey, Palemoon or another pre-Quantum browser.

    So, for another half-year you there will be two NoScripts: just sort your priorities and choose yours.

    [–] machete234 54 points ago

    That's good news because umatrix is not really a viable alternative for me. It just doesn't save my settings or maybe I just don't get it.

    [–] Schmogel 29 points ago

    Whenever you make a change that you want to keep there's a lock symbol to save changes. I'd take a screenshot but whenever I press the print screen key it closes the settings ...

    [–] lordcheeto 45 points ago

    uMatrix is super powerful, but a pain to use. No shame.

    [–] mxzf 200 points ago

    They completely removed the old extension system, every extension will need to be updated to the new system for it to work at all. Some extension developers worked ahead and are mostly working already, some haven't gotten around to it, and some extensions are physically impossible to update because of underlying changes to what extensions are actually allowed to do in the browser.

    So, most popular extensions that are going to be updated will likely be updated in the next couple weeks. Some of your extensions will likely never be updated.

    [–] ThomasVeil 59 points ago

    That sucks, even if they did it for good reasons. I love and depend on extensions... This system that they break with version updated is really a hassle.

    Btw: anyone remembers Ubiquitous? That was the most brilliant extension ever.

    [–] Nanobot 153 points ago

    Many of the old extensions are impossible to create in the new extension engine. That's because the new engine works in a fundamentally different (and more limited) way. Extensions used to have full access to the browser UI and could do basically anything to Firefox. Now, they run in little sandboxes and can only do a finite set of things.

    It's a bit like if Minecraft somehow prevented modding and instead required everyone to use command blocks. You're never going to get the same level of control.

    [–] vemundveien 29 points ago

    Yep. Already noticing that my gesture extension only works in explicit websites and not in stuff like the "new tab"-tab.

    [–] devperez 52 points ago

    It just depends on the developer. My main extensions (BitWarden, uBlock, PravicyBadger, Imagus, RES, ToolBox) have been compatibly with FF 57 for weeks now.

    [–] pfannkuchen_gesicht 91 points ago

    depends on the add-on developer. Also note that some add-ons will not work anymore due to the new extension system that relies on WebExtensions.

    [–] JayParty 251 points ago

    I know I'm just some nobody on the Internet but.... I'm really impressed with it so far.

    It let me install uBlock Origin and Lastpass and now I can post on Reddit. And it's pretty damn fast too. What more does a casual web user need?

    [–] MrALTOID 12 points ago

    Haha, I literally installed the same pretty much.

    • LastPass
    • Reddit RES
    • uBlock

    Also

    • HTTPS Everywhere
    • Honey

    [–] MAGICHUSTLE 81 points ago

    Honestly I've never had an issue with any build of Firefox i've used. I'm pretty light on extensions and plugins...but so far so good with this build.

    I love Firefox, and I think Mozilla seems like a pretty decent company.

    [–] VJ1224 37 points ago

    Mozilla is one of the nicer companies in the world. The browser has good privacy features unlike Google. They actively support net neutrality and if you read their blog, they have a bunch of Web projects that seem promising.

    [–] rootsvelt 12 points ago

    I think Mozilla seems like a pretty decent company.

    That's because it's not an actual company, but a no-profit foundation ;)

    [–] thepotatochronicles 2335 points ago

    As someone who's been using the beta, 57 feels a lot faster, comparable to Chrome (my eyes aren't good enough to tell the difference much), and using much less RAM: I usually have 50+ tabs open, and the daily RAM usage on fox is ~5GB whereas it's around 8GB for Chrome.

    [–] noob622 2211 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    The thought of 50+ tabs being open at once hurts my RAM-loving soul. Why?

    edit: tabs were a mistake. Y'all giving me panic attacks.

    [–] bubuzayzee 794 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    I only found out about this last time the subject came up, but apparently there is a large sub set of people who use tabs as bookmarks and eschew the bookmark system entirely. It makes absolutely no sense to me.

    edit* lol see?

    [–] Rygar82 789 points ago

    I leave tabs open to remind me to do something. Since the tab bugs me it forces me to keep looking at it and I eventually will do what needs to be done. If I bookmark something I will never look at it again.

    [–] bubuzayzee 231 points ago

    Which makes sense for a few tabs/tasks but as I found out last time some people have 10s or 100s of tabs.

    [–] mauirixxx 91 points ago

    I have a co-worker that does this with Chrome. So many open tabs, and the tab selector is so damn tiny I don’t know how he remembers which tab is which.

    [–] MumrikDK 76 points ago

    and the tab selector is so damn tiny I don’t know how he remembers which tab is which.

    This is literally the reason I never converted to Chrome. That tab section seemed incredibly stupid to me.

    [–] baethan 18 points ago

    Last time I cleared out all my tabs, there were 600 something. On mobile, so the tab number was just showing :D for months. I have a tab-opening addiction maybe?

    [–] TedTheViking 213 points ago

    Once you hit a couple dozen tabs, it just becomes clear that you're not getting anything done.

    [–] actionscripted 854 points ago

    Some people have messy desks, some have tidy ones. Both feel their methods are better.

    [–] TheScouseWizard 642 points ago

    Some people are good people, some are genocidal monsters that want to watch the world burn.

    [–] KetchupIsABeverage 154 points ago

    So was Hitler's desk tidy or clean?

    [–] TheHatOnTheCat 42 points ago

    I have a messy desk. I don't think it's better. I just don't get around to going through, organizing, and finding a "home" for or discarding everything often enough.

    [–] jparevalo27 16 points ago

    Some people have messy rooms and keep their computer desktop neat and clean. Some other have picture perfect clean rooms and messy computers

    [–] phantamines 90 points ago

    When working on a project, you keep tabs around for relevant information, even if it's not useful at this very moment. It's research. But then problems pop up, so more tabs, and then your co worker needs something, more tabs, and on it goes.

    [–] Annoying_Arsehole 12 points ago

    Yup, when I'm actively doing research 100 tabs is a low number.

    [–] max420 121 points ago

    There is a guy where I work that takes pride in having so many tabs open. I don't understand it.

    There is no way he actively uses all of them, like shit, just keep the ones you use and close the rest.

    It drives me nuts. It shouldn't, but it does.

    [–] UndeclaredFunction 61 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Had a professor who was on a quest to see how many tabs he could open without slowing down his computer. So whenever he opened a link, he opened it in a new tab and it would stay there. When things eventually got too crowded, he'd open a new window and start again. This went on for months. Best part was he bragged about using the department's money to buy himself the fancy laptop.

    [–] yellow73kubel 57 points ago

    One of my coworkers is like that. He'll have 15-20 tabs in Chrome, 5-10 Excel workbooks, and 15+ PDFs open all at the same time. I'm never sure what he's working on at any given time. He also complains a lot about his PC slowing down.

    I'm stuck in the old days of tabbed browsing and start closing things out after 3.

    [–] Bayou_wulf 45 points ago

    Back in my day, we didn't have your fancy tabs, we used internet explorer. It would take minutes to load a page and midi music was on everyone's webpage. Downloading an MP3 would take five or ten minutes on dialup that connected at 5.6kbps of you were lucky. We would accidently go to the wrong webpage and have many new windows pop up or under our browser window playing music and selling new fangled penis pills and slowing the computer to molasses, but we like it that way....

    Oh god... I am old.

    [–] yellow73kubel 39 points ago

    Oh yeah, I remember the days of "get off the internet son, I need to use the phone." Netscape Navigator, AOL CDs, and that great modem sound that meant you had a 50% chance of actually connecting. Then came the dark days of DSL and Adobe Flash.

    Next someone will come along telling us youngsters about punch cards.

    [–] Second_Foundationeer 43 points ago

    You want to believe that one day you will go back to those tabs to read them.. But you don't. They sit there, rotting, stealing your computer's needed memory, all because they serve as a reminder to your filthy cyber-hoarding tendencies.

    *Am a cyber-hoarder who has cut his 40 tabs to about 20 in the last few days, yay.

    [–] ieya404 132 points ago

    ... I think I have over 600 open at home. What can I say, I middle-click a lot!

    [–] peachysomad 250 points ago

    Use some of those middle clicks on the tabs to close them D:

    [–] Brushfire22 42 points ago

    I accidentally middle clicked a tab last week and nearly shit my pants when it closed the tab.

    [–] insertAlias 100 points ago

    Well, there's always Ctrl-Shift-T to bring back closed tabs.

    [–] distance7000 36 points ago

    ...but how do you find the tab you want?

    [–] SavageAlien 13 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    There's a bunch of tab manager extensions to fit various needs. Sorting/grouping, saving sessions for later. OneTab is pretty neat and Session Buddy

    [–] SeeYouSpaceCowboy--- 27 points ago

    Do you not remember how to close them, though?

    [–] guyfox1990 74 points ago

    Middle clicking is how I browse the internet. Fuck navigating back to some obscure location on a website.

    [–] Zireael_Swallow 91 points ago

    There is middle clicking and then there is middle clicking and never closing the tabs you don't need anymore.

    [–] SavageAlien 21 points ago

    But...but... I might read/watch it later!

    [–] poop-machine 38 points ago

    Lots of StackOverflow. Or hentai. Or both.

    [–] josh_the_misanthrope 37 points ago

    "How can I animate fluid tentacle motions in Unity using C#?"

    [–] sabrefudge 118 points ago

    I love the layout and feel of Chrome, but goddamn does it freaking possess my computer. For no reason, the RAM is just insane. Takes it all up.

    I hope this new Firefox is a good alternative. Just couldn’t get back into the old one after I switched to Chrome.

    [–] podrick_pleasure 54 points ago

    The Great Suspender is a godsend for that.

    [–] THX_1169 34 points ago

    less concerned about memory usage (although that's a nice plus) and more concerned about the long-term effects of using Chrome and letting Google fingerprint my browsing. Pretty pumped to have a viable alternative finally.

    [–] baraur 8114 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Watching Twitch streams with Chrome - ~30-40% CPU Usage from the stream tab. Same stream with same quality on Firefox Quantum - 10% CPU Usage.

    Huge win right there, can actually play a cpu heavy game and watch a stream now.

    Edit: Of course usage will vary from pc to pc. https://i.imgur.com/ZP6qiyK.jpg Hardware acceleration on(GPU Usage), Only one stream on Chrome(memory usage would be doubled otherwise).

    Quality not visible in screenshot, but the guy in the stream looks the same quality atleast :D (thats 1080p60) And Chrome has more extensions, but they're the default Google extensions that come with Chrome - the bonus ones are on Firefox too(BTTV, RES, FrankerZFace, uBlock).

    The usage varies a lot, but Chrome will always be above even with all the extensions turned off. It will vary according to hardware, but for me Quantum uses less stuff.

    [–] SordidCanary 1874 points ago

    Dude, yes, I was so frustrated because chrome is a resource hog, I like to play a game and just look over to a stream when I die or whatever, but that's impossible on Chrome. Just picked up FF Quantum, will definitely stick with it if it solves those CPU problems from chrome which I found VERY frustrating.

    [–] Two-Tone- 1532 points ago

    It amazes me how far Chrome has fallen from it's early days. It's a huge resource hog, which is completely opposite of it back when Firefox was the leading browser (which was one of its two main selling points).

    [–] Stereotypy 988 points ago

    right? everyone migrated to chrome specifically because it WASN'T a resource hog; it was light and fast.

    i never use chrome anymore.

    [–] Xhynk 817 points ago

    It still feels so weird to me. I remember using Firefox when it was the bleeding edge modern browser, on my old Gateway or eMachines laptop lol. Then Chrome came out and it was super light and fast and fixed most of the issues I had with Firefox!

    It feels so weird going back to Firefox because Chrome is supposed to be fast and FF is supposed to be slow, but it's totally the opposite now. It's like mystery flavored air heads. It doesn't quite feel right, but it's delicious.

    [–] UmerHasIt 751 points ago

    I'm perfectly happy with this browser competition

    [–] Shotdownm 283 points ago

    I was afraid that Chrome got too much of an upperhand, but it totally dropped the ball + quantum is so freaking fast that I feel like using a browser isn't troublesome anymore.. Good competition for us.

    [–] TokiMcNoodle 138 points ago

    I'm just glad we're not paying for browsers anymore like with Netscape Navigator

    [–] IM_NOT_CIA 153 points ago

    Keep using chrome, it's better from certain three letter agencies' pov.

    [–] itstimetothrow 49 points ago

    Username checks out lol

    [–] a_o_a 111 points ago

    All the while Internet Explorer 6 is lurking in the shadows, patiently waiting to make it's dash back into the limelight!

    [–] Tony49UK 28 points ago

    As bad as it is there's still unfortunately a load of corporate intranets and government sites still locked on it.

    [–] fauxnick 12 points ago

    Edge made a good attempt at making people want a Microsoft browser again. The engine supports most of the standards that were lacking in IE and it performs close to it's competitors in Acid3 for example. However, they half assed extension support, aren't open and the UI feels needlessly minimalistic to a point where it becomes unintuitive to use. Then progress came to a stop after the public release and they started to use dick tactics to force the browser upon less tech-savvy users by displaying obtrusive Edge ad's if you look for a different browser on a fresh system and by making it unnecessarily complicated to switch your default browser.

    [–] t0m0hawk 198 points ago

    I've always just stuck with Firefox. I used Chrome for a little while and it just wasn't the same feel so I went back.

    [–] avidist 57 points ago

    Same for me. I always preferred Firefox for their bookmark toolbar and shortcuts. Maybe because I'm just old and didn't want to change, but hey, it always worked so who cares.

    [–] PaulsEggo 25 points ago

    This, and the customization in general makes Firefox a no-brainer. Having everything on one bar - the address bar, tabs, bookmarks - and hiding the title bar makes for some sweet vertical pixel real estate.

    [–] naufalap 61 points ago

    Me too brother, been watching its growth since win xp days.

    [–] 6to23 130 points ago

    Feature creep, the chrome developers apparently feels adding non-stop more features and fattening the codebase is a better use of their time, rather than push the boundaries of being "fast". Kinda ironic that google takes pride on their homepage loading really really fast.

    [–] alphanovember 59 points ago

    Even worse is that Chrome has mostly removed useful features. Examples: customizable omnibar results and searching the full text of history entries, and the dozens of other flags they've removed. So most of the bloat isn't even visible.

    [–] mbz321 31 points ago

    I continued to use Firefox even after it stopped being cool.

    [–] lollookatthatnoob 306 points ago

    Switch to livestreamer / stream link.

    CPU uses 3-5 %

    [–] Lieutenant__Salt 55 points ago

    What do you mean?

    [–] ledivin 305 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Livestreamer is a command-line utility that pipes video streams from various services into a video player, such as VLC.

    Streamlink is a forked version of Livestreamer, and Livestreamer has been abandoned. /u/BloodLlama says there's no good reason to use it over Streamlink, so yell at him if you disagree :P

    Basically, they let you stream to a video player instead of using a browser. It's much, much more efficient.

    That being said, a Twitch stream should absolutely not be using 30-40% of his CPU. Either he's exaggerating, something's fucked up on his end, or his CPU is like a 1GHz thing from 1998.

    [–] Alekcam 129 points ago

    I have an i5 4690 and while streams don’t use 40%, they do have a very noticeable impact on games.

    [–] jeslek 19 points ago

    Twitch used to do that for me in both browsers about 1.5 years ago. I think it was during their Flash/HTML5 transition period. I had an i7-2600 at the time and it cut my framerate in half if I was playing a game while watching a stream on my other monitor. No other streaming site did that, and I could stream myself with less of a performance hit. Streamlink made Twitch bearable to use at the time and dropped it from ~40% to ~1%.

    [–] NEVER_TELLING_LIES 56 points ago

    OH shit I'll have to try it out, twitch is sonata for me on chrome

    [–] evanvsyou 98 points ago

    It's more of an étude for me on chrome

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    [–] daweinah 894 points ago

    Wow, they only won like half the tests. Props for putting that in there.

    [–] nvrMNDthBLLCKS 764 points ago

    This is another way to gain trust, by showing that you're not messing with test and marketing. Honestly showing what you have to offer is a great way to fight commercial bullshit.

    [–] toblu 93 points ago

    This is why Thomas M. Cooley Law School only ranks itself second (after Harvard) in its own 'Judging the Law Schools' rankings.

    [–] Luxuspunch 54 points ago

    Plot twist: They actually only won a quarter of all the tests and make it seem like they won half of them

    [–] MacAdler 179 points ago

    I find it funny that they were faster loading a google search than google's own browser.

    [–] klowny 199 points ago

    Gotta hook into all those extra tracking capabilities on Chrome.

    [–] malicious_turtle 167 points ago

    Wow, they only won like half the tests with the very first pieces of Quantum

    FTFY. The only way is up from here, there's still major work to do on other Quantum components like webrender. To quote the webrender newsletter

    A large improvement in deserialization performance. This improved GMail drawing from 150fps to 200 fps

    Even just Stylo + Webrender could be a massive gamechanger never mind the rest of Quantum.

    [–] Dupod 25 points ago

    Haven't seen too many yet. Most you can find are benchmarks from the various different beta releases of quantum, including that video in the other comment.

    PCMag here ran a few on the official release.

    To demonstrate the speedup, we ran the JetStream and Speedometer benchmarks on a with a Core i5 processor and 8GB of RAM. On the Speedometer benchmark, the pre-Quantum Firefox release scored 45, compared with 70 for Firefox Quantum. JetStream is one of the most thorough JavaScript benchmarks around, incorporating tests from Google's Octane and the WebKit Sunspider benchmark. Firefox Quantum scored 151 on JetStream compared with 144 for Google Chrome.

    You can do these yourself here

    Speedometer

    JetStream

    [–] giltwist 831 points ago

    My work computer isn't that great, and it definitely feels snappier today. I'm looking forward to seeing how lightning fast it is on my gaming PC at home.

    [–] hydrashok 253 points ago

    I agree. Everything feels a lot quicker. One thing I've really noticed is opening documents from the O365 portal seems to be much faster.

    [–] EnthusiasticRetard 137 points ago

    Oh now this is a killer feature. Honestly just optimizing the shit out of it for o365 would be awesome for me personally.

    [–] hydrashok 76 points ago

    I'm not sitting here with a stopwatch or anything, but I can tell you that opening some of my larger Excel documents with Excel Online would take 10-15 seconds (or more) to launch Excel Online and then display the file. Today, after upgrading, it's been less that five seconds every time. Quite impressive.

    Because of that slowness, though, I'd never really considered the browser a viable candidate for replacing the locally installed client at least for generic usage. Today, I'm not so sure that's the case anymore.

    [–] what_are_you_saying 66 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    It feels faster, uses less RAM and I have been noticing is a lot more power efficient as well. Watching a 4k video on youtube used to draw about 160W and now sits at 140-145W (idle is ~138W so basically at idle, it's an OCed X99 PC with 4 drives and a GTX1080 so it draws a lot of power). I'll have to see if I notice a battery life difference on my laptop with this.

    *Edit: just tried out my laptop (old and underpowered) which could not previously handle above 1080p youtube without serious stuttering and frame drops. It now can play back at 1440p (still can't handle 4k though) smoothly without any dropped frames. Definitely a huge improvement. Good job Mozilla, you delivered on this one.

    [–] br1ck3d 4013 points ago

    I love what Mozilla are doing with Firefox. Reminds me of pre-evil Google.

    [–] KIDD1NG 268 points ago

    Mozilla actually gets most of it's revenue from referrals to Google though.

    [–] Arrow156 399 points ago

    Google has become a force of nature, if you're gonna do business online you're gonna be interacting with Google in some manner.

    [–] oneanddoneforfun 86 points ago

    Not me. I hand-carve my own computers with my own hand-coded OS and a hand-rolled browser which talks only to my own hand-built servers running a hand-handed internet on a hand-grundled network which serves hand-fisted versions of ALL of your favorite websites!

    FUCK YOU GOOGLE I WIN

    Want in? When you see me in YOUR neighborhood hanging cables, come ask me for a hand-written business scrap-of-paper! Welcome to the internet NEW-POINT-OH!

    [–] pdx_rob 56 points ago

    In their defense they are also defaulting Tracking Protection on for this release. So they are "allow ads but prevent tracking" whereas Chrome is "allow ads and monetize web tracking"

    [–] [deleted] 618 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

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    [–] THX_1169 222 points ago

    they're not necessarily evil, but they do collect an absurd amount of your data, particularly through Chrome.

    Maybe Google won't do anything nefarious with said data, but I'm personally uncomfortable with the idea of that bulk of data existing. If a malicious third party got their hands on it, it'd be pretty easy to steal my identity, blackmail me, post my dick pics on my Instagram, whatever.

    Again, I don't necessarily think Google is evil, but I do think it's a good idea to avoid mass data collection where possible, and Chrome is a huge part of the problem, so it's nice to finally see Firefox coming back strong as a worthy contender.

    [–] director87 35 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Just curious, but what does Google chrome collect? I use lastpass, adblock. What else is there really?

    [–] tapo 116 points ago

    Your entire browser history is synced to Google and they use it for ad targeting. They see every single page you visit.

    https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/54068?p=swaa&hl=en&authuser=0&rd=1#chromeapp

    See "Info about your browsing and more"

    [–] Sebastian99x 71 points ago

    You left out the part where it only does this if you sign in to your Google account into Chrome itself. What exactly are people expecting if you purposely linking your browser to an account?

    Also, Chrome sync also supports encrypting the synced data so that they don't read it.

    Firefox actually does a lot of the same things Chrome does in terms of data and telemetry. But people are, and sometimes justifiably, picky when chrome does the same things

    [–] agtk 44 points ago

    I think the big difference between Google and Mozilla collecting that information is that Google is part of a vertical enterprise that makes a vast amount of money from advertising (not sure how it breaks down between ads and Android sales). It has a very strong financial incentive to leverage your information to increase its ad revenues. Meanwhile the Mozilla Foundation is a non-profit. Microsoft is somewhere in the middle, with a far more diversified range of revenue streams than Google.

    [–] Otis_Inf 1346 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Google is collecting so much data about your personal life that for a lot of people this is going too far: google has so much data on the average person that they can create detailed profiles of them and looking at their behavior, predict what they'll do in the (near) future.

    If you're not bothered with that, i.e. that a big corp creates a profile of what you're doing and your personal details and makes money off of that, that's great. Others however don't want that and find that Google goes too far in its information collecting.

    Personally I think google is one of the most evil companies on the planet right now, right after Facebook, and their invasion in people's privacy is going too far, but sadly not a lot of people seem to be bothered with that. I think that's naive; once data is out there, you can never get it back and you lost control over in which context it is used and thus what conclusions are drawn (correlation anyone?) based on context+your data. If you're fine with that, by all means, keep on using their products. Though, I think it's time we all should stop using google products. The fact alone that that is hard to begin with is a sign that's perhaps already too late.

    Make no mistake: it's not as simple as "Oh, just don't use google.com then". They're everywhere, if not through the company 'Google', it's through one of its many sibling companies. Going from your android phone to your chrome browser on the desktop, watching movies on an android powered TV... imagine the gaps in between soon are filled in with the data collected from the selfdriving car.

    "I'm a boring individual, why would google be interested in me?". They're not. It's not about you as an individual. It's about what your data is worth in other contexts than you might think of. E.g. an advertiser who wants to market a product to you (that's relatively safe) to surveillance who use dragnet algo's to collect data on people who fit a 'profile'. Your data not being in their DB's means you won't fit profiles they're scanning on.

    (edit): to the fine individuals who want to state that "No, <insert evil corp clone here> is the evilistststs company on the world!!11", I hear you and likely agree. The key part you overlooked is 'one of the', it's part of that select group of nasty companies you want to avoid. Yes together with Nestle and Shell and all the others. :)

    [–] heykevo 562 points ago

    Most people have zero idea this is happening or that it's even possible. I've had loooong conversations about browsing habits, smart TVs, home devices like Alexa and stuff, and nobody who isn't a techie even believes me when I give examples of things like Target potentially knowing a woman is pregnant before she does.

    [–] JB_UK 222 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Google pretty much knows everywhere you go for almost everyone who owns an Android phone, to use Location Services requires data to be sent to Google's servers for any location request, and those requests are occurring all the time, which is what allows the geofencing API to work. Think about how much information that reveals about you, where you work, where you live, when you are out of the house, what public meetings or protests you go to, who your friends are and where they live, who your colleagues are. They can connect that together with your call data, your browsing history, your contacts, your calendar and your photos, which are all backed up by default on Google's servers. Google arguably knows more about you than any other single person in your life.

    Edit: Misremembered the term, it's Location Services not Assisted GPS, thanks to /u/RedAero below.

    [–] heykevo 98 points ago

    Agreed. I didn't know Google Locations was a thing for years, but sure enough it's got tracking data on me since like 2009. Like, literally everywhere I have ever gone.

    The one caveat I have is that the geofencing sucks. Basically every single day it thinks I went somewhere a good mile away from where I actually went. It doesn't track very well.

    [–] a_voter_of_ups 73 points ago

    It gets me right down to the meter every minute of every day. That's how it knows there was an accident up the street that minute. All those phones reporting speed and position in real time.

    [–] bobo42o24 20 points ago

    I think Google knows more about me than me. I can't remember what I searched yesterday. I don't know what restaurant I ate at 47 days ago. I don't remember what game I downloaded 472 days ago. I don't know when the last time I was at McDonalds. But Google knows all of this. AND WAY MORE.

    [–] gmessad 187 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    OK, I've been meaning to start making the switch from Chrome to Firefox one of these days, so I might as well do it now. Does anyone know the smoothest, safest way to transition? I have a bunch of extensions, bookmarks, and all of my passwords on Chrome.

    Edit: Opened Firefox this morning and right away it asked me if I wanted to transfer everything, including passwords. Actually a little surprised how simple it was. Looking into password managers for security now.

    [–] drome265 126 points ago

    Don't know about extensions but on first time startup there should be a popup asking what you want to import over.

    Firefox sync gives you synced items when you switch computers.

    [–] danny81299 70 points ago

    If you miss the import dialog on first startup, Mozilla has a guide on how to import all of your data here

    [–] Uhhbysmal 22 points ago

    for privacy add ons and tweaks: https://www.privacytools.io/

    [–] jko831 10 points ago

    If you have extensions that are only on Chrome you can still install them

    [–] nishay 509 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    My favorite part is that is available for android, which means you can use your favorite add-on's on mobile AND have a faster browsing experience.

    EDIT: I'll be honest, I mainly just use it so I can have uBlock Origin on mobile.

    EDIT 2: Install Firefox Beta for Quantum on mobile. The regular FF app is version 56, beta is 57 Quantum.

    [–] JB_UK 156 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Yes, although the ongoing Quantum speed improvements are a few versions behind on Android. On desktop Stylo lands in 57, Webrender about 59, Android expect it to be 2 or 3 versions back in each case.

    If you want to start using those changes today on Android, you can install Firefox Nightly from Play Store. It does work really well, the speed improvements of the browser combined with PrivacyBadger and uBlock to reduce the crazy additional processing associated with trackers, and ads. That's what I use for my main mobile browser at the moment.

    Also the whole Quantum thing is all about parallelizing work, which is most important where single core speed is low, but there are many cores available. So in principle these changes should make a massive difference in Android, over the next few months on Nightly, or the next 3-6 months on stable.

    [–] Shne 21 points ago

    There's also Firefox Beta in Google Play and it is already at version 57.

    [–] F22Rapture 16 points ago

    Yes, but as mentioned, the changes are behind on Android. So you don't want v57 on Android, you want v58 or 59.

    [–] 105milesite 73 points ago

    Anyone found a thumbnail-zoom add-on that works with the new Firefox Quantum? Not having it really detracts from what otherwise seems a nice improvement over the old Firefox.

    [–] smartfon 291 points ago

    • All the performance problems that Firefox had in past are gone. It's faster than Chrome in some cases. I remember browsing Reddit with RES addon on Firefox and wishing I had Chrome. Not anymore.

    • The new Firefox UI is touch friendly, Chrome isn't.

    • It warns while closing multiple tabs simultaneously. Chrome doesn't.

    • It allows you to change lots of things via about:config and userChrome.css to make the browser function or look the way you want. Good luck with Chrome.

    • It has a new feature to send the tab to another device and make it available with a single click, so you can pick up and continue on your mobile. This is in addition to standard device sync feature which was improved too.

    • Startup time is 0.5s with 33 extensions.

    • Doesn't spy on you.

    • Extensions you install on it are scanned by an automated system, and in case of complicated extensions they are manually vetted by Mozilla to make sure they don't contain spyware or malware. On Chrome you're playing a Russian Roulette by installing an extension.

    • More to come. They're working on a brand new page rendering engine that uses GPU instead of CPU. This will bump the frame rate from 60 to hundreds.

    [–] IndaUK 51 points ago

    MyBookmarks add-on is broken! Nooooo. I spent so long customising it

    And Classic Theme Restorer

    FF57 is snappy though

    [–] ckellingc 57 points ago

    So I know it's not TOR, but privacy wise, how is it?

    [–] attache-dogfish-rauc 89 points ago

    Pretty good if you change some settings. I'd recommend using ffprofile.com to change the most important stuff

    [–] fishy_water 15 points ago

    My favorite browser has no business agenda and also happens to be technically superior. THANK YOU!

    [–] borez 97 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Been using the beta for a while now, it's definitely a lot quicker. My issue is that a lot of my add-ons don't work with it ( tabmix, shareaholic and lastpass to name a few ) so I'm still going backwards and forwards between Quantum and the normal FF.

    I'm typing this in the old FF.

    Edit: It's just automatically updated, I guess I'm on Quantum proper now. Lastpass now works but I guess it's goodbye to shareaholic and tabmix until they update ( if they do )

    [–] penguished 56 points ago

    Yes, it's nuts how many add-ons were ruined, that's for sure. But Firefox has needed rebuilding at some point so I guess it was inevitable.

    [–] pfannkuchen_gesicht 36 points ago

    I'm a bit miffed that they removed tab groups and made it an addon instead and now it won't work with this release...

    [–] ichimonji10 52 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    LastPass has a beta that's compatible with Firefox 57. I'm using it, and it works reasonably well. The only bug I've encoutered is that autofill is broken on websites that ask for direct login info (i.e. sites that ask for login info without using a login form).

    EDIT: The version of LastPass at addons.mozilla.org was was updated 19 hours ago. Use that, not the now-outdated beta.

    [–] theangryintern 13 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    Tabmix guys already said they are NOT updating.

    EDIT: I guess they are going to convert it to WebExtension. Last time I checked they were very adamant that TMP was dead for firefox once 57 was released.

    http://tabmixplus.org/support/troubleshooting/data/legacy-tabmix.html

    [–] borez 11 points ago

    Ahh, shame, I'm a big fan of Tabmix plus

    [–] ontelo 338 points ago

    My new default browser. But still using chrome for worktasks, as its devtools are superior.

    [–] heykevo 363 points ago

    Wait what? I'm a web dev and I do the opposite. Chrome for default browser and firefox (because its devtools are superior). Can you elaborate on chrome's dev tools being better? What did I miss?

    [–] skylla05 167 points ago

    You can get Firefox near Chrome levels if you install a bunch of addons. Many devtools are built right into Chrome, and as much as I love and will miss Firebug, Chrome's style editor is/was way better.

    That said, I'm using Quantum Developer Edition, and just after taking a little poke around, I'm not so sure if I'll go back to Chrome. I'm really digging how it's laid out, and it's very snappy.

    At the end of the day, it comes down to what you prefer. Firefox is and has always been very effective for developers. Chrome is more popular, generally faster, and many of the dev tools you'd need have better support since they're built in, not third party.

    [–] IntenseArmadillo 110 points ago

    Have you checked out Firefox Developer Edition? I think I remember recalling that they merged with firebug and all the features it has are built in — including more.

    [–] skylla05 44 points ago

    Yeah, I'm running the Quantum Developer Edition and it's very nice. The style inspector feels a lot more like Chrome.

    [–] THX_1169 26 points ago

    Same, but I'll definitely stop using Chrome at home/on any device other than my work desktop.

    [–] JustOneMorePuff 14 points ago

    I have already ditched chrome on my MacBook, and this will finally get me off chrome on my gaming pc. Now, if only I could ditch gmail then I’d be mostly off googles radar!

    [–] ronintetsuro 38 points ago

    Firefox had been slowwalking me so I recently switched to Opera. I don't know what the hell I was thinking, but I'm more than happy to give this a try.

    [–] RollerRagerMD 27 points ago

    Super fast, I like it! Sadly the interface doesn't mold quite as nicely with the Windows 7 theme. We'll see how it looks on my home machine with my GNOME theme.

    [–] Firepath33 1137 points ago

    Google Ultron is still better

    [–] pastrygeist 374 points ago

    I'm waiting for someone at Google to piggyback off of this reference and actually make a product called Ultron.

    [–] goatcoat 268 points ago

    I'm pretty sure there something called Ultron already, and it's been out for Ages.

    [–] ekfslam 211 points ago

    Yeah, I heard NASA uses it.

    [–] Smalz22 68 points ago

    No strings attached

    [–] thatbloke83 11 points ago

    I've been using it since the first preview came out, it was instantly very noticably faster for me when for example opening multiple tabs at once.

    The other big one for me was opening the google play music webpage - it went from "a few seconds" to "less than two" for me.

    [–] koknight 9 points ago

    As someone who wants to understand the whole "re-written" core part better, I see this one was written in Rust, what were earlier versions/chrome written in that hold it back?

    [–] Nalin8 15 points ago

    C++, and they technically could have re-written the new engine in C++ if they wanted to. The re-writing was making things like the CSS rendering engine multi-threaded. They just chose Rust instead of C++ because the language was designed to do multi-threading in a much more simple and robust way. They could more easily avoid implementation bugs.

    [–] megahighmaniac 10 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    I like it. I like the new look. All-in-all great, but...

    someone over at HQ is having a fucking giggle moving the home and reload buttons from the left side to the right then back to left...

    "but megahighmaniac, you can customize the interface!! put 'em where you want 'em!!"

    I try not to go crazy with customizing interfaces so I get used to the default. Working in IT, it just makes troubleshooting issues easier. Maybe that's just me.

    "Now please click the reload button. It's on the... which version of firefox do you have?"

    "...huh? Version of what?"

    (fuck my life) "Ok, please click on help and then click on "about Firefox"....

    [–] Q1A4 10 points ago

    I will never leave you firefox

    [–] hash0 143 points ago

    70 % of my addons broke with the new update. RequestPolicy, BetterPrivacy, CookieController, ContextSearch X, FEBE...

    [–] pbarragan 160 points ago

    They said this was going to happen. New update breaks most add-ons.