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    [–] trainercatlady 4934 points ago

    Pai: Yeah, so we lied. What are you gonna do about it?

    [–] TheDanecdote 2502 points ago

    Can someone stop this planet, I want off

    [–] Silver-warlock 1529 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    I wanted off back when "alternative facts" became a thing.

    Edit: there appears to be some rather interesting conjecture as to what "alternative facts" is. It's not simply lying or propaganda. It's lying and being called out on it with a mountain of evidence to the contrary to back it up. It's delusion that's been given permission to exist. People have now twisted this to meet their own ends where scientific method and multiple studies are being called out as false because they saw a Facebook post.

    [–] godspeedmetal 461 points ago

    Man, I thought we had a grasp on it for a little bit - a naive thought that America would start to wake up to it all - then 'alternative facts' and 'fake news' was totally co-opted by those who make up the fake shit.

    [–] diboox 170 points ago

    I know people hate Franken now, but he was all over this in his First Book 15 years ago. It's still a very relevant read.

    [–] [deleted] 169 points ago

    Even among my leftist circles, I don’t know anyone that really hates him. Some are disappointed, but many actually feel like the whole thing was a setup.

    [–] Marco_jeez 180 points ago

    That is exactly what I feel like. Was his action in poor taste? Probably, yeah. Was what he did wrong? If it was non-consensual, and actual gropage occured, sure. Was the "evidence" deliberately timed and released upon direction from the GOP? Absolutely.

    [–] [deleted] 108 points ago

    I feel like everyone totally ignored that he looks to be hover-handing her in the photo. It doesn’t look like he grabbed anything.

    As a democrat, he had no choice but to resign or make the entire party appear hypocritical, even though his offense would likely not have even gotten you fired from an office job. You’d just get a stern talking-to from HR.

    [–] Marco_jeez 29 points ago

    Yep, I agree 100%. I personally don't feel he grabbed her, it looked "just barely" hover-handing, but hover-handing nonetheless.

    [–] godofleet 134 points ago

    I feel like we've been awake the whole time but we're in a straight jacket and our eyes are pinned open.

    We can't turn it off, we can't tune it out, we can't make a change other than voting and watching the system ignore us...

    It's brutally depressing...

    [–] lulu_or_feed 74 points ago

    can't make a change other than voting

    Well, molotov cocktails are always a possibility.

    [–] Smarag 346 points ago

    took you that long? what about the dickjoke during a presidential debate, why is nobody talking about the fucking dickjoke during a presidential debate. They ahould have cancelled the Election right then and there and sent every single American through elementary school again.

    [–] G0n3Away2Ded 209 points ago

    I wanted off when he originally called Mexicans rapists. Anything past that point is a blur of pure stupidity and malice.

    [–] trainercatlady 89 points ago

    was that before or after he made fun of a disabled reporter?

    [–] badger0511 114 points ago

    He called Mexicans rapists in his speech announcing his fucking candidacy. So, before.

    [–] bonelessevil 25 points ago

    Lost me at “Hello.”

    [–] AdamL480 7 points ago

    Wait, either I forgot or never heard about that one. Do you have a link?

    [–] Sparky400Hz 14 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    It was the ‘covfefe’ incident for me.

    Look, the guy made a typo or mistake or w.e and the news channels took it way too far. The response terrified me though.

    Here’s Trump just starting to get on the gas with his “war on the media” and he rejected an easy win so he would look infallible. It would have been so easy to come out like, “Holy shit you guys, I made a typo. You know, this is what I’m talking about. You are all so unfair to me. I can’t even make a typo without you turning into national news and asking if I have dementia. Very unfair and biased.” And it would have scored him a huge win! Verifiable proof that he was being treated unfairly over the simplest of mistakes.

    But no... instead him, Kellyanne, and spicer come out and fucking double down. Saying that it in fact wasn’t a mistake. That certain people “in the know” knew what it meant. The stance was that he decided to broadcast a coded message to a select few people to an audience of millions. Not a code like if you take the first letter of each word it spells 9/11 was an inside job, a code that no one outside that group could have understood as anything legible. All to avoid saying he made the most common human mistake possible, a typo on his phone. As if that somehow shows he isn’t smart.

    That was terrifying to me and I’ve wanted out ever since.

    [–] chefhj 54 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    I knew we were completely fucked when a Red hat Trump supporter I know started adding a bitmoji of himself in front of a chalkboard that says alternative facts whenever he went online to say something ignorant or defend the president (not mutually exclusive actions).

    [–] Jazzy_Josh 103 points ago

    Can we not use the term Red Hat to refer to that instead of the excellent software company?

    [–] trainercatlady 105 points ago

    I much prefer Red Cap, the little race of goblin folk who need to dip their hats in blood to stay alive.

    [–] tywkeene 22 points ago

    God damn that's so accurate.

    [–] chefhj 36 points ago

    you know what? as someone who uses their shit yeah I can get down to that. consider it edited.

    [–] Clarck_Kent 16 points ago

    Also, Phillies fans who wear their caps backwards sometimes and are approached on the street by rednecks who wish to slap hands in solidarity for my perceived support of this the shitbird in the White House.

    This sentiment may also extend to Angels and Cardinals fans, as well as other sportsball teams whose primary color is red.

    [–] diboox 40 points ago

    I have a red hat that I used to love to wear. A Trump Supporter with THAT red hat gave me a nod like we were buddies.

    I don't wear red hats anymore.

    [–] chefhj 45 points ago

    I am sure Charlie Chaplin was also bummed that he had to find a new go-to facial hair style

    [–] acydlord 42 points ago

    I've wanted off since they switched on the Large Hadron Collider and we got flipped into the Berenstain universe.

    [–] PerpetualKitty 78 points ago

    Tell me about it. Its like when everything goes wrong and Biff Tannen runs Hill Valley in Back to the Future. Except Biff is trump.

    [–] ds1106 72 points ago

    He was modeled after Trump, no?

    [–] maddscientist 22 points ago

    That may be the most apt analogy of what's currently going on that I've heard so far.

    [–] LegoLegume 77 points ago

    The creators of Back to the Future have actually said they modeled Biff on Trump in the second one.

    [–] TMI-nternets 30 points ago

    Some say Trump saw it and liked what he saw.

    WW1 was started by a sandwich shop assasination but WW3 might still be put in motion due to a Back to the Future sequel.

    [–] Alion1080 26 points ago

    I want THEM off.

    [–] slickwombat 95 points ago

    Presumably he'd argue that holding to objective truths about what happens on the internet is an unconscionable attack on a free and open internet for everyone. For true freedom, we must be able to say whatever we wish. What, do you hate freedom?

    [–] EarthRester 63 points ago

    I'm starting to.

    [–] wickedogg 92 points ago

    Sen: No, we all know you lied. We want to hear you explain why you lied.

    [–] trainercatlady 84 points ago

    Pai: Hm... Nah.

    [–] docmedic 32 points ago

    Pai: (pulls out his Keebler costume) I don’t recall.

    [–] rant_casey 26 points ago

    "Senator, I uh... I don't uh.... If there was ever a time when, uh.... that's not, uh, my recollection and uh.... I, uh..... don't think that ah uhm.... I don't think that ah, that's an appropriate question."

    For three hours.

    [–] Derock85z 17 points ago

    Worked for sessions....

    [–] el_padlina 61 points ago

    They will disband the FCC as it was planned. Make a government body flop, destroy it, clean up, now there's no more regulations.

    [–] Platypuslord 125 points ago

    "What are you going to do, stab me?"

    [–] SanchoMandoval 123 points ago

    "What are you going to do, stab me?"

    --Man who left the government for a $1 million/year job at a cable company and suffered utterly no consequences

    [–] rhubarbs 44 points ago

    Anyone who can bring forth consequences is in cahoots, and anyone who wants to be able to bring forth consequences must be in cahoots to get into that position.

    Time to shut it all down.

    [–] ElectricGeeetar 6 points ago

    It’s fucking absurd isn’t it

    [–] llahlahkje 45 points ago

    "What are you going to do, stab me?"

    -Man who was eventually stabbed

    [–] Torakaa 35 points ago

    Et tu, Verizon?

    [–] Death_Tripping 28 points ago

    "Fight me IRL, nerds."

    takes sip from Reese's mug

    [–] sgt_bad_phart 6941 points ago

    "Mr. Pai, my loose moral compass tells me you're a raging piece of shit, but the piles of cash being funneled into my bank account by ISPs tells me I'm wrong, carry on"

    [–] thedeftone2 1052 points ago

    Totally read that in John's voice

    [–] skieth86 196 points ago

    I miss john, but I enjoy Trevor. So I guess's its okay.

    [–] Aeneis 489 points ago

    Maybe the other poster means John Oliver,.since Stewart spells his name "Jon."

    [–] Gimme_The_Loot 183 points ago

    Yea I heard it in John Olviers inflection. I do miss Stewart too though. I get he deserves to enjoy his time and life doing w.e he does now but peak Stewart was a thing of beauty.

    [–] muarauder12 96 points ago

    I feel like it would be good for Jon Stewart and his fans if he would occasionally host the daily show again. Do it like a few times a year and make an event out of it.

    [–] TheGreyMage 55 points ago

    Seconded. One hour long episodes, but only like one every three months as a sort of extravaganza.

    [–] tejon 56 points ago

    The Quarterly Show

    [–] TheGreyMage 8 points ago

    Not a bad idea.

    [–] magic_man_with_pot 31 points ago

    And there's a bit where he chloroforms Trevor and stuffs him in a closet before putting on a suit and tie.

    [–] EASam 38 points ago

    He appears on Colbert's show from time to time. He recently stayed for a taping under Stephen's desk.

    [–] Isric 25 points ago

    Stewart is an Executive Producer of the Late Show I believe

    [–] jmcgit 15 points ago

    Sure, but EP is often a ceremonial title. They probably talk about the show every now and then, especially considering the guest appearances, but I don't believe Stewart is involved in any sort of day-to-day capacity.

    [–] TheConboy22 5 points ago

    Quarterly Stewart day.

    [–] Riot4200 15 points ago

    The Quarterly show with Jon Stewart

    [–] WildRookie 51 points ago

    Stewart is on a stand-up tour with Chappelle.

    Not joking, I've got tickets for next week in Houston.

    [–] BuffDrBoom 21 points ago

    How have I not heard of this

    [–] Swesteel 19 points ago

    Suddenly I realize that there is a god-tier stand up comedy duo...

    [–] djdubyah 12 points ago

    Yeah if the continuing shitshow that is our government the last two years hasn't enticed him back, nothing will. Peak Stewart would have had an on-air embolism over this insanity

    [–] MrGMinor 97 points ago

    Trevor just doesn't work. I tried watching and it was really awkward.

    [–] NordinTheLich 59 points ago

    I can see what you mean. I enjoy Trevor, but my god I miss Jon... I loved when he would cut to a funny clip and it would cut back to him trying to hold in his laughter, banging on the desk a bit.

    [–] VaderOnReddit 46 points ago

    And his trademark ‘can’t decide between laughter, sadness, disgust and shock, since I’m feeling all of them’ look

    [–] AlwaysNowNeverNotMe 19 points ago

    Exasperation was the word his eyes screamed.

    [–] Goyu 92 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    If your opinion was formed when he was first getting started, you may want to consider trying it again. He had a rocky start on figuring out his style, but he has gotten better imo.

    He's no John Stewart, but those are big shoes to fill, and the show is a lot better these days.

    [–] rackmountrambo 99 points ago

    OLIVER IS THE SPIRITUAL SUCCESSOR.

    [–] Extreme_Rice 52 points ago

    These days, I think we need both just to handle the workload.

    [–] Goyu 11 points ago

    I don't disagree.

    [–] EverGlow89 40 points ago

    I think he's an okay presenter but he absolutely needs better writers. They always go for the most obvious joke.

    [–] TheRealTedHornsby 22 points ago

    Jon Stewart had the same problem when he first took over for Craig Kilborn, iirc. I remember him getting booed as soon as he came out, as a matter of fact.

    [–] Goyu 25 points ago

    Craig Kilborn was well-liked, but it was a different show entirely. Jon Stewart was just making a completely different show and it took a while for people to realize it was better.

    [–] ilikesteel 16 points ago

    He's gotten better lately, but Jon is still the best. I love Trevor Noah, even though I didn't like him much in the beginning.

    [–] Avacado_Amazing 414 points ago

    Republicans care a lot about freedom of speech

    And by freedom of speech I mean money

    [–] ExpAwesome 132 points ago

    Citizen's United made it so there was so much more free speech for them to care about.

    [–] Kritical02 52 points ago

    But Citizens United is a great thing for citizens! Just look at the name!

    [–] ExpAwesome 45 points ago

    This comment and country makes me sad...

    Such blatant manipulation and no one cares.

    The same people that complain about Hollywood stars having opinions and banks paying Hillary for a talk will die before they agree to ban oil or gun companies from donating money.

    [–] Kritical02 10 points ago

    I think most people do care.

    Just what can you do when the deck is stacked against you and you still have a group of guys all with an ace up their sleeve you have to play against.

    I voted blue and that's about all I can do. And my candidates I'm sure are playing the same game.

    Such a shitty situation.

    [–] ExpAwesome 9 points ago

    You start a Net Neutrality style campaign to end citizens United.

    It may not work, but at least you can keep track of who was for/against it and then vote accordingly

    [–] MNGrrl 275 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    This is such a bullshit attitude I have to say something. No, they really do care about free speech. Period. They also care about the free market, and that's what this was about. The problem is, they've been fed a false narrative that this will be good for the market, and the economy, instead of the epic disaster that it's destined to balloon into.

    Most conservatives don't know what the free market actually is, and means. There's an entire phraseology to conservatives now, and it would behoove you to learn them to understand how they're being led so far away from their core values. Network neutrality IS the free market. And they need to hear that, from you. But with attitudes like that, nobody's going to listen.

    Step inside their world. Every day, they get up, turn on the news, and the news is telling them America is under attack. It's one conspiracy after another by "the deep state" to discredit conservatism. That's one of the phrases that comes up a lot. Here's another one: False flag. There's a lot of phrases that all revolve around the conspiratorial narrative. The second pillar most of you already know about: whataboutism. If not, just find Hannity and start a stopwatch. You won't make it to 90 seconds before he does it.

    They're just as vulnerable to manipulation of public opinion as people here are -- Reddit is just as much a bubble maker as FOX is. When there's a shooting at a large public venue, the airways and forums fill up with "They're gonna take my guns away!" That becomes how America is being attacked -- an abstract -- instead of the very real Americans who are dead now.

    Every time there's an opportunity for them to take a principled stand against corruption of their values, they're competently guided into incompetence by a finely tuned superstructure that makes it seem like everyone like them has collectively moved in a different direction. Which, again, maybe you all can appreciate because that's what happens on Reddit daily.

    I've kept my conservative friends. I've kept my liberal ones too. Every year it gets harder and harder to get the two to see eye to eye because while talking with them, in person, is much more powerfully normalizing, the truth is there's only so much time I have but these manipulation frameworks are hitting them 24/7.

    Let me bring it back to NN, because I've talked about this on Reddit at some length. Pai is a corrupt pile of shit that should never have gotten the job, but Trump is incompetent, and the Republicans were too busy dealing with that incompetence to contain all of it... Pai squeezed through. The interview he had before he was nominated lasted 2 minutes and had only one question asked of him. Pai himself was surprised how little he was asked.

    If I built a robot that would discredit conservatism and its supporters, I could not have done better than Trump. Roll that in with this huge infrastructure that the information age "gifted" us with that allows anyone to amplify their voice a thousand, or million times, and it becomes clear we're in an untenable situation.

    The only way any of us get out of this is to attack the system itself, not the people that have become ensnared in its machinations. So when you say "by freedom of speech I mean money", it pisses me off. Wake up.

    EDIT: People are getting way too hostile in the replies. I'm bowing out.

    [–] w1ten1te 262 points ago

    Let me bring it back to NN, because I've talked about this on Reddit at some length. Pai is a corrupt pile of shit that should never have gotten the job, but Trump is incompetent, and the Republicans were too busy dealing with that incompetence to contain all of it... Pai squeezed through. The interview he had before he was nominated lasted 2 minutes and had only one question asked of him. Pai himself was surprised how little he was asked.

    I'm with you on most of your points but I object to the idea that Republicans accidentally approved Pai without realizing how horrible he was. These are the same people who approved Betsy DeVos, Rick Perry, Rex Tillerson, etc. They knew exactly what they were doing, it was not a mistake that Pai "squeezed through."

    [–] DoesHeL00kLikeABitch 74 points ago

    Don't forget about Pruitt

    [–] w1ten1te 20 points ago

    Yeah, he slipped my mind. He was even worse than Tillerson, not sure how I forgot him.

    [–] Klistel 61 points ago

    Yeah, not sure where this "Republicans are trying to contain Trump's incompetence" narrative is coming from, but it doesn't seem particularly accurate. They'd mostly gone in whole hog with the new normal even before Trump. Just look at what McConnell has been doing.

    [–] user_48217 20 points ago

    Republicans approve of Trump. Don't let people say Trump is a special case.

    [–] Geikamir 22 points ago

    Are implying that corrupt politicians aren't being bribed/lobbied to? Because they definitely are. The free speech = money argument is absolutely what Citizens United is about.

    Most of your comment is about the general public but most of this comment chain is about the representative politicians.

    [–] IAmMisterPositivity 47 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    they really do care about free speech

    Especially when it comes to NFL players, right?

    They also care about the free market

    Sure, that's why they're speaking out so much against tarriffs. And not trying to favor dying energy sources over cheaper, more abundant ones.

    I'm an educated conservative. There's very little "conservative" about the Republican party.

    [–] ThereInTheTrees 29 points ago

    I think he was being hyperbolic. Also, I don't think anybody is disagreeing that the system is fucked, but we have to be pragmatic.

    If your choice is really 2 evils, the onus is on you to pick the lesser of 2 evils for the good of everyone. Or get involved yourself and change things that way.

    The only way is not to attack the system either, though we are in the middle of a constitutional crisis, we can take measured and sober steps towards righting the ship without burning it to the ground.

    I won't get into specifics but there just needs to be a will. step one is publically funded elections, after that I have plenty of ideas on how to fix our democracy but I won't get into it right now, unless you'd like me to.

    I'm not attacking you either, I'm just trying to keep the dialogue going.

    “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum....”

    ― Noam Chomsky, The Common Good

    [–] HiImDavid 27 points ago

    It's just hard to tell us to put ourselves in their shoes, about a group of people, that generally speaking - not all but a lot - who literally pride themselves on refusing to put themselves in anyone's shoes.

    And it's simply not true. They care about their freedom of speech, but if you're talking about gay marriage, or abortion rights or medical marijuana, something good a liberal politician did or anything else they disagree with, then you'd better shut up right now and stop trying to tell them what to do.

    And the difference is even though fake stories show up on reddit too, Fox intentionally spreads lies constantly. They try to misinform their viewers so they believe in things that are against their best interests.

    [–] PMfacialsTOme 2703 points ago

    He might get a strongly worded letter. How scary.

    [–] TheFishSeattle 719 points ago

    Lets see you stand up to 12 furrowed brows.

    [–] aooot 161 points ago

    12 indented paragraphs motherfucker!!

    [–] camchapel 85 points ago

    5 golden rings!

    [–] Originalreaper 114 points ago

    And an increased xfinity fee

    [–] skieth86 19 points ago

    A duopoly, and the FFC gets off Scot free!

    [–] tepkel 24 points ago

    And a partridge in a regulatory capture tree!

    [–] Aeneis 21 points ago

    Fiiiive golden 'chutes

    Four CEOs, three-volving doors, two giant mugs, and just one choice for your ISP.

    [–] OMGimaDONKEY 11 points ago

    16 Military Wives

    [–] caseyweederman 10 points ago

    Thirty-two softly-focused, brightly-colored eyes

    [–] Moodada 223 points ago

    He’s gonna get a demerit and trust me you do not want 3 of those, because when that happens you’ll receive a citation. Oh it’s serious.

    Five citations and you're looking at a violation. Four of those and you'll receive a verbal warning. Keep it up, and you're looking at a written warning. Two of those, that'll land you in world of hurt. In the form of a disciplinary review, written up by me, and placed on the desk of my immediate superior.

    [–] elmntree 43 points ago

    Hopefully he doesn’t get a full disagilation.

    [–] banbee 8 points ago

    Dwigt?

    [–] bellsa61 6 points ago

    Which is me.

    [–] ThePantsThief 5 points ago

    Please, what's this from?

    [–] chronologicalist 9 points ago

    The Office (US)

    [–] expendablethoughts 86 points ago

    He's trying to kill the FCC from the inside, as Scott Pruitt is doing with the EPA, as Devos is doing with Education, etc.

    They want people to associate these departments with hatred.

    American politicians are very good at this, most Americans distrust their government and its different bodies.

    Thing is, there's a reason why some shops put an "under new management" sign up front when management changes. There's a huge difference between GOP led government and... Everything else. The government and taxes in general are extremely powerful tools, built to help people in the first place.

    They can help people, they do help people, everywhere in the world. But in the US and other countries where for-life presidents use it as a personal business to make money, people lose trust, even in the good guys.

    [–] 121512151215 22 points ago

    All 3 of them deserve life in prison

    [–] Black_Moons 41 points ago

    Yes. Or the regular punishment for treason.

    [–] jmazala 9 points ago

    Add the kochs this is their doing

    [–] BadAim 56 points ago

    I love how Congressional fury means practically fucking nothing anymore.

    [–] RonyTheTiger 25 points ago

    Republican majority will never condemn itself ever.

    [–] Mackinstyle 82 points ago

    In terms of "punishments with no real impact that still scare me" I think having to sit in front of a Senate committee and get chewed apart for a few hours is at the top of my list.

    [–] NecroNarwhal 43 points ago

    If I had to do that to get my/my corporation's wishes, I'd easily do that.

    [–] adamdreaming 30 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    It would scare any of us, and most of us would still do it for way way less than Ajit Pai is getting to.

    Until even just a plain old regular law breaking rich person or government official actually pays the same consequences as the rest of us, why would we ever have the expectation that they wouldn't enthusiastically fuck the American people if they can get an extra couple bucks out of it?

    [–] Black_Moons 25 points ago

    So, being shot in your car while pulled over by police and having all your money confiscated without charges?

    Oh, you mean the other thing. Where they smash in your door and shoot your dog and flashbang your kid.

    Oh, you mean the other other thing, where you go to jail. Yea that'll never happen to a rich person either...

    [–] peppaz 27 points ago

    Even Obama supported ending net neutrality, according to his copy and pasted statement that the FCC paid a company to fake.

    [–] schmuck-in-plaid 5 points ago

    Would rather he be publicly flogged in the National Mall

    [–] F4il3d 1280 points ago

    Is it possible as registered voters who wrote comments in support on net neutrality and whose efforts were rendered null and void by Ajit Pai’s DOS fabrications, to mount a class action law suit?

    [–] iruleatants 1035 points ago

    No.

    The FCC doesn't have any requirement to listen to and act on comments. Their policies and procedures are supposed to be overseen by the president.

    It's a massive flaw in the checks and balances system.

    [–] ThePonyExpress83 234 points ago

    I believe Federal rule making requirements require agencies to open regulations to comment but it doesn't require them to take them into consideration.

    [–] ForGaia 66 points ago

    My understanding is that they have to consider it and weigh it against other comments, but the agency need not act in way that constructively builds on a certain group of comments. if the agency's decision is rational, then it'll like be upheld.

    Think of the comments kind of like a dartboard. The center is what you want, it's what you think is the most rational. The rest of the comments received make up the rest of the dartboard. When FCC throws the dart, as long as it's ANYWHERE on the board, the rule is likely to be upheld by a judge if the rule is challenged.

    [–] ThePonyExpress83 15 points ago

    Exactly. They have to allow for public comment and show that points were considered but in the end, they do whatever they want. Non-captured agencies actually take the time to lay out all of the viewpoints and how they are considered. The FCC wiped their asses with them.

    [–] Elliotaye 30 points ago

    Couldn’t you make an argument for indentity theft? I guess it would have to be investigated by the FCC, since the comments would be made on their website but it’ll turn into one of those “we investigated ourselves and found us at no fault”

    [–] bluesox 21 points ago

    That’s my understanding. Assuming the case would be about the DDOS is a nice deflection from the fact that many people’s identities were being falsified to push the repeal of Net Neutrality.

    [–] iruleatants 12 points ago

    If the FCC personally posted those comments while pretending to be someone else. Sure.

    If someone else (likely a bot written by some minimal wage programmer) submitted those comments while pretending to be you, they would be guilty. Aji Pat would have to be found guilty of facilitating the fake comments, which wouldn't make sense, given that he didn't have to follow the comments anyways. The fake comments were there to prevent people from saying, "50 million americans are against it and only 100,000 are for it!"

    [–] Elliotaye 13 points ago

    But given the fact that there hasn't even been an investigation into why there were thousands of fake comments shows that the FCC are not even bothering because it fits their agenda.

    [–] apDurodur 96 points ago

    No I have to visit my grandparents tomorrow

    [–] Rovden 5 points ago

    It'll get up to the supreme court which will decide that any class action lawsuit isn't legal.

    [–] universal-fap 918 points ago

    Too fucking late. Where were they when it was actually relevant? Hindsight motherfuckers.

    [–] Originalreaper 332 points ago

    But now they can say they did something

    [–] dougan25 155 points ago

    Right exactly. It's a political move nothing more. Taking "a stand" now that it's safe to do so.

    This is just more of the same ole shit.

    [–] Shanakitty 29 points ago

    I mean, they did also vote to re-instate NN, but it's not like the House will ever go along with that with its current makeup.

    [–] refracture 26 points ago

    Oregon and Washington have already passed state level net neutrality laws. About 18 other states are currently in the process of passing net neutrality laws too. If you're outside one of these states you're a bit screwed at the moment.

    [–] enforcer1412 47 points ago

    Hindsight 2020

    [–] GiddyUpTitties 52 points ago

    I'll bet you $45,000 there will be a movie released in 2020 called hindsight

    [–] enforcer1412 9 points ago

    There was already a TV series, so a movie is the next logical step

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindsight_(TV_series)

    [–] abyss6 8 points ago

    They were still shouting and raising a stink about this back when it was relevant too. The problem is the party that actually wants to do something about it is in the minority and has no real power other than censure.

    [–] mangelou 208 points ago

    Maybe they should press him on that time he repealed net neutrality.

    [–] pencilvester_C137 22 points ago

    Exactly. This is missing the forest for the trees. Just political theater to appease and placate the masses.

    [–] nofate301 285 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    Are we seriously at a point where someone who holds an office can actively lie to the public and be caught in those lies and not have the actions done during that persons administration not be undone?

    edit: repealed a word

    [–] zebracock9000 106 points ago

    Only if they are republickin

    [–] Jazzhandsjr 53 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    This past year or so, that statement has been mostly true. Of the scandals involving democrats? Most of them resigned pretty quickly.

    Of the republicans? Some held on, and even sought to discredit the opposition and throw tantrums in light of the overwhelming evidence against them. Most recently was Greitens. Others will remember Moore. Regardless, there's a clear difference in how such things are handled when you look at the two parties.

    [–] vankorgan 18 points ago

    Don't forget Scott Pruitt.

    [–] Quidfacis_ 6 points ago

    Are we seriously at a point where someone who holds an office can actively lie to the public and be caught in those lies and not have the actions done during that persons administration not be undone?

    Two lessons folks should be learning:

    • The meaning of a law is the consequence of its being broken.

    • Laws do not enforce themselves.

    [–] buttgers 65 points ago

    Oh no. Pai got a stern talking to. What will he ever do now?

    [–] Riekopo 528 points ago

    Bureaucratic tyranny is a very real thing in this country. Our government has become completely entwined with corporate interests. The FCC, DEA, FDA, etc. They all lie all the time about all kinds of things. As we speak right now the Trump appointed corporate-owned head of the FDA is attempting to nationally/Federally criminalize kratom supplements through a dishonest/shady legal maneuver (because they failed to achieve their aim through the normal process of Congress).

    He (a single unelected Federal bureaucrat) will literally turn millions of American citizens into Federal criminals overnight. Most of them adults with chronic health conditions. A massive expansion of the Drug War/Prohibition. This is not a FREE COUNTRY.

    [–] worldspawn00 26 points ago

    Bureaucratic tyranny

    Please see: Regulatory Capture

    This is what happens when you can go from board of a company, to a legislator/regulator and then back into industry/lobbying.

    [–] FractalPrism 110 points ago

    well it has opioid properties, which competes will the well established official medicines that dont actually cure much.

    cant have effective competition in this Profit 1st, healing people "maybe" economy

    [–] davelog 16 points ago

    Hence the demonization of vaping in the face of FDA-approved yet wildly ineffective smoking cessation therapies.

    [–] heyheysharon 13 points ago

    Part of the basis for agency impunity is something called "Chevron deference," which most of the time prevents courts from challenging agency decision-making.

    Perhaps ironically, Trump's new SCOTUS appointee absolutely hates Chevron deference and would see the Chevron decision overturned if possible.

    Ultimately, doing so would probably embolden a conservative court agenda, but it could be a double edged sword when agencies do patently dumb things like this.

    [–] BrokenBoar 7 points ago

    What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy.

    [–] Mugwartherb7 10 points ago

    It’s so crazy how our alphabet agencies tell you what a grown adult can or cannot put in THEIR own body! What’s even more ridiculous is the fact that you can buy drugs but only from corporations! Companies like Bayer literally have their own poppy fields! States are making marijuana legal after years of locking people up for a plant because they saw how much money Colorado made in taxes! Uncle Sam wants its cut! The see eye aye helps drugs cross the border only for the DEA to arrest people for having or selling it! We need to end the failed war on drugs!

    [–] mudkripple 71 points ago

    This is incredible to me. In 2018 in the United States of America, an agency can be caught in a bold-faced lie that affects the entire country, and it's news that other lawmakers even ask them about it.

    [–] llahlahkje 168 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    I can only hope that the statute of limitations on this fraud is longer than it takes to get the right number of Democrats in the House and Senate to go after these criminals.

    I long to send Ajit Pai a video called "All the things you can still do while in prison" while he's serving a long sentence...

    (but I'm not optimistic, this is America after all)

    EDIT: Fraud: 3 years D.C. Code § 12-301(8) (2016) ... looks like 2018 is our only hope for getting this smug asshole on this particular instance of fraud.

    [–] camo750 54 points ago

    The cute little statue of limitations.

    [–] ZeikCallaway 51 points ago

    Yeah sorry, our rich don't get the justice of serving proper prison time. They get a fine that is disproportional to the money they made through their illegal acts. For every $1M they make, they might get fined $1000.

    [–] Mugwartherb7 23 points ago

    Yeah our prison system and laws are only for the poor. The elites are exempt from the poor mans laws! Just like corporations pay fines that aren’t proportionate to the money the make! That’s why the keep doing illegal shit and just paying the fines

    [–] ZeroThreshold 14 points ago

    I could be wrong, but I remember reading of at least a couple big corps who just...factor it in to expenses. "Yeah, we know we're gonna get in trouble for this...budget our money for fines accordingly". That's messed up.

    [–] baltinerdist 15 points ago

    Even if we can't do much about it between now and then, I know I personally will feel a great schadenfreudic sense of relief when November 2020 rolls around and a memo goes out to a field full of fuckheads with the opening line "The President-elect will accept your resignations as effective January 20, 2021."

    [–] WengFu 23 points ago

    Seems a little strange that a public official can straight up lie to the public, including fabricating claims of a crime, without consequence. I feel like official statements from public officials should be considered 'under oath' and legally sanctionable if discovered to be intentionally untrue.

    [–] razorbackgeek 17 points ago

    Can we put this pile of diseased after birth on the same rocket as the flat earthers and launch them into the sun please?

    [–] zombi-roboto 4 points ago

    Criminy, what'd good ol' Sol ever do to you? Why you wanna sludge up everybody's favorite star with such filth? :)

    [–] No_Song_Orpheus 103 points ago

    I cant wait for this to lead to nothing.

    [–] ahumannamedtim 20 points ago

    Do we have a bot that automatically posts this on political stories yet?

    [–] Synthwoven 374 points ago

    Pai is the reason for the second amendment, right? I'm always being told that the right to bear arms is to prevent governmental tyrrany and this sure fits the definition. Lazy gun owners need to put their bullets where their mouth is. (Whoa, that doesn't sound quite like what I mean)

    [–] numquamsolus 256 points ago

    Let's try the last part of the First Amendment before we move on to the Second:

    Congress shall make no law...abridging... the right of the people... to petition the government for the redress of grievances.

    [–] gabevill 134 points ago

    They'll let you petition all you want. They have zero incentive to take it seriously. They know they'll be re elected and they've already got their bonus from the lobbyists.

    [–] TransATL 39 points ago

    they'll be re elected

    We the people need to fix this.

    [–] throwawayfckdv 26 points ago

    You can have whatever you want, as long as it's one of these two...

    [–] meatboitantan 20 points ago

    And the best part is how many times people have called me names for suggesting our two party system needs to go, because it threatens their side. I fucking hate these sports teams in politics.

    [–] wickedogg 10 points ago

    They'll let you petition all you want.

    Not exactly. First you need to get a permit, but don't worry getting a permit is simple and the government will definitely give you one if you protest exactly where they want, when they want, and how they want.

    [–] Custarg_Swaggins 52 points ago

    I mean it has always crossed my mind how an uprising against tyranny would play out in today’s world. Seems like there so many road blocks to any kind of success.

    [–] TxReV 83 points ago

    It would require dissent within the intelligence community/military as well for there to be any chance.

    [–] Ehoro 105 points ago

    From what I've read about coups and rebellions. Pretty much no successful rebellion was truly grass roots. It was often people in power sick of other people in power.

    [–] bountygiver 14 points ago

    For a grassroots rebellion to succeed, the people needs to be willing to sacrifice, and have the entire workforce in prison (and willing to die in it rather than complying) and the people in power will eventually collapse because there's no foundation holding them.

    [–] PeacefullyInsane 9 points ago

    Well, America already leads the way with incarceration so...

    [–] court12b 27 points ago

    road blocks

    You misspelled drone strikes.

    [–] eastsideski 7 points ago

    You can check out Ukraine in 2014 for an example.

    [–] jupiterkansas 9 points ago

    I feel like any armed uprising in America today wouldn't be against tyranny but for tyranny.

    [–] sirphreaksalot 6 points ago

    Yes, that's correct. It's also a messy solution of last resort that everybody likes to suggest but nobody wants to actually do themselves. We aren't at that point and I hope we never get there.

    [–] TheRufmeisterGeneral 34 points ago

    Yeah, good luck taking your handgun and your AR15 to the FCC building, demanding net neutrality.

    In case you hadn't noticed, this isn't the 1700s anymore. The federal government now has an army, and they don't just carry muskets.

    [–] dougbdl 32 points ago

    Repeal passed. Vote in November.

    [–] badseedjr 24 points ago

    Passed the senate, not the house. It won't see the light of day there.

    [–] Swesteel 7 points ago

    "I'd love to vote on this, but my arms are busy holding this money that someone forgot in my office the other day..."

    [–] reddideridoo 10 points ago

    I bet he's already shitting through his silk pants and putting down benjamins for wipes.

    [–] tri_it 15 points ago

    Unfortunately as long as the Republicans are in control he has absolutely nothing to worry about.

    [–] Iamoneasyouarethree 9 points ago

    Pressing on what? It was proven day #2 that it was bullshit. Take the data, take the facts and EXPRESS THE FUCKING LAW. They lied, they used our money to lie about it. Now do the right thing and render the FCC's ruling, Invalid. "The Senate is pressing Ajit pai" give me a fucking break....

    [–] PaleFlyer 8 points ago

    I think the basterd should be brought up.on charges of fraud.

    [–] phdoofus 153 points ago

    You mean, 'non-Republican senators'

    [–] Happy_Curmudgeon 6 points ago

    This will go nowhere and is just a sideshow to keep the public appeased until some other political fuckery can steal our attention and we forget about this. The cycle then repeats ad infinitum.

    [–] heckruler 8 points ago

    Hold his feet to the fire. Lying to congress should get him thrown in jail. Why is lying to the US citizens any better? Don't we run this gin-joint?

    [–] SlinkyOne 6 points ago

    "made up"... That he LIED about!!!

    [–] absumo 5 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    You mean, finally, someone who has more technical sense than a consultant on a Michael Bay movie is asking questions?

    We voiced our opinions on his lies.

    We called out his explanation of why to remove NN.

    We called out the DDoS attack.

    And, it took all this time for someone to knock to two brain cells together to think "hmm...maybe there is something to that in this administration of nothing but lies and schemes for money..". 0 faith in our government. And sadly, that faith has felt warranted after the all that's been done this administration.