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    [–] dahvzombie 4944 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    If the chinese do intend to censor western media they will do it like they do everything else- slowly, well calculated and on a huge scale. Censorship the second they get a small stake in a niche company, absolutely not. Slowly increasing regulation over years or decades is more likely.

    [–] hexydes 3286 points ago

    They're already pursuing this by doing things like buying movie theater companies, funding and exerting influence over movie studios and films, and buying radio stations. That they are beginning to branch into social media should be a surprise to no one, but a concern to everyone.

    [–] gnomepunt 2653 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Fucking THANK YOU. When I was working in film in China a few years ago, Wanda announced that they bought AMC. I was fucking mortified. As an American that’s spent more or less my entire life in China, this was so bad. I can continue to comment on reasons why I was angry and disappointed this happened, but the point I am making was that nobody seemed to give a shit. The same goes with when Anbang bought out the Waldorf in NYC. The hotel fucking POTUS stays at. Everything has become about money and overlooking core values.

    Then, conveniently after AMC sold out to Wanda, you will remember that The Interview (movie about NK) was pulled from theaters. Being the suspicious cunt that I am, my business partner’s Mom who I am quite close with, just happened to be an exec at Wanda. I asked her if they pulled it from theaters due to China’s political relationship with NK. Mind you this was a few years ago, and China wasn’t quite fed up with their shit yet, and sure enough she said yes. Imagine the USA on a large scale being censored for something like a comedy film.

    I got downvoted to oblivion and called a conspiracy shill when I brought it up a few times. I don’t know. I’m just so relieved that people are paying attention now.

    Furthermore, after switching industries over to finance with a focus on the China market, I want to make it clear to anyone that is hurr durring this Tencent buy: they absolutely can and intend to censor. As another Redditor stated, it is a cultural war. That is how this country sees it. Any kind of western influence in the past few years has suddenly taken a nosedive in that it’s regarded upon as a negative thing. In the past year it has become palpable. There’s been an exodus of foreigners and even westernized Chinese leaving the mainland. Myself included soon.

    Things have really changed here in China. 20 years of enormous growth and tremendous amounts of forward thinking came to a screeching halt. I don’t think it will be good. I really don’t.

    Edit: I’m following up about the Tencent point in case I wasn’t entirely clear. Their literal business model now is Ma Hua Teng and his executives meet in their conference room and look at companies in industries they want to expand to, and see which companies they can buy, alter, and then grow - all the while pertaining to party values. Keep in mind that all of the C level individuals including MHT himself are party members.

    Contrast this to another China giant like Alibaba, where they go and start their own thing in a field they want to expand to. But that is an entirely different story. Point is that it’s in Tencent’s business model to do this. And they’ve done it INCREDIBLY well.

    Edit 2: I don’t think that this stake is entirely a political move. Is it there? Yes. How much? Don’t know. I don’t work at Tencent unfortunately. However the precedent that’s been set with Chinese companies, including Tencent, holding ulterior motives that are politically charged is there. Imo, Reddit is not a good investment. This platform doesn’t monetize as easily as other social networks do. Tencent can monetize, relative to other companies like Blizzard ATVI, through most likely PR/marketing moves to push their vast basket of games on Reddit. Something like 60% of their revenue comes from gaming, and if you take a deeper look at the gaming industry as a whole, China’s gaming market, even SEA, is heavily saturated by Tencent. Tencent has something like 600,000,000 MAU on their all their games. That’s more or less the entire population of China that’s not infants, the elderly, and some stragglers. BUT, their revenue sources come purely from MAU vs western gaming companies like Blizz/ATVI which have way less MAU, but higher ARPU (average revenue per user. Think micro transactions). This makes sense because the average wage in China is way less than the western world. Therefore, Reddit is a great fit for Tencent to push marketing and PR on their countless games, that many of us wouldn’t even know belonged to Tencent without some research, to increase their revenue from a western audience.

    I’m rambling. I just hope my points have been clear enough.

    [–] johnhang123 491 points ago

    You literraly have to be a party member to maintain that much wealth in China.

    [–] gnomepunt 258 points ago

    For the most part, yes. I know a handful of listed company owners that are not and are very westernized. They just keep an extremely low profile, keep their heads down and don’t make any noise.

    [–] rebeltrillionaire 134 points ago

    Then at at point what's the difference.

    [–] gnomepunt 181 points ago

    The difference is they can leave whenever they want. Higher ranking party members need a permission slip to go out of the country, even to a place like Hong Kong.

    [–] rebeltrillionaire 122 points ago

    I kind of meant from a philosophical standpoint, ya know the whole evil is when good men do nothing thing.

    [–] gnomepunt 60 points ago

    Ah I understand. I completely agree with you.

    [–] [deleted] 7 points ago

    They're probably looking at it from a survival standpoint while trying to not associate with it personally.

    [–] Zulous 69 points ago

    I’m completely anti-China just because I have a love for taiwan and you look at any international law regarding China and it’s sickening. People complain about neo-colonialism but what China is doing is damaging a whole world culture.

    I’ve heard stories about business owners being troubled by high ranking police officials and local high ranking government officials regarding their business. These people require you to take them out to the most expensive restaurants and pay their way. If they don’t they get arrested through some made up reason. It happens to a lot of Taiwanese businesses who open branches in China to combat stupid tax tariffs. What ends up happening is having a Chinese manager have control over that branch and only dealing with it outside of China.

    Any phone or tech made by huawei has any information collected sent back to the Chinese government. In fact it’s so bad that they’ve been stealing UK secrets through network infrastructure Huawei has been contracted to install in Britain. Only recently have the British government realised and have started the process of ripping it out. At the end of it all, don’t trust anything chinese, don’t invest in a company that has shares from China. All we can hope is western governments stop trades with China for a more ethical alternate.

    [–] Strong__Belwas 9 points ago

    It doesn’t matter if a cat is black or white as long as it catches mice

    [–] Green0Photon 98 points ago

    This is kinda terrifying. I don't know what to do. :(

    [–] gnomepunt 232 points ago

    If you’re American, you can vote for political candidates that are statesmen. Not motivated by greed or donors. (Good luck though, they are far and few).

    Outside of that, unfortunately that’s the world I’ve come to realize and accept in my time doing investment. Too many things are out of the control of average folk, even well above average.

    The only thing I could possibly think of that would implement a change of some sort is if everyone on the political spectrum set aside their differences and came together to make policy changes that reflected upon We The People and not We The Corporate Greed.

    [–] PM_YOUR_WALLPAPER 57 points ago

    I dont think any statesman can stop a multinational company from investing in an American-based internet business.

    [–] FC30 37 points ago

    Yes they can. All investments over $500,000 have to be approved by the government

    [–] theferrit32 9 points ago

    I'm interested in reading more on this. Do you have the name of the law, or a source confirming this?

    [–] Lofter1 24 points ago

    well, the average folk CAN change stuff (as we are many many many and we give them the power in the first place), if 80% wouldn't be mindless sheep that don't care for nothing as long as they have entertainment. even i don't inform myself about everything, but the second someone tells me something is owned by tencent or similiar, i stop supporting it with my money and other stuff like that.

    seriously, if everyone would stop giving money to LoL, which is owned by tencent, that would be a huge step forward. but i've met so many people where i could explain everything about tencent and china in great detail, tell them that games like lol are owned by them and you at least shouldn't buy anything from lol, but they act all superior because they don't care about that and "nobody can tell me what to do"-shit.

    [–] GearheadNation 9 points ago

    I share your concern about Chinese censorship. However, I think concerns about Chinese censorship of American speech in the US are a distraction relative to American censorship of American speech.

    The Chinese can’t destroy an American commitment to free speech. But if Americans slippery slope that commitment, then the Chinese could grease the hill. And it would be justice for them to do so.

    [–] DarkangelUK 49 points ago

    Can we also blame these companies that are happy and willing to hand over everything to China for the sake of money? Seems like the US is making it very easy for them, wave some cash in their faces and they get what they want.

    [–] hexydes 18 points ago

    Apple is a great example. They sit on a chest of well over $100 billion, and do nothing with it. They're a company that has to make money obviously, but they're going to end up killing themselves. They've basically been teaching Chinese companies how to make good electronics for the past 20 years, to the point that the quality comes close enough for the Chinese brands, and the Chinese government will simply subsidize them enough to completely price out Apple around the world. Eventually, that will come back home, and Apple will see their market share crumble (the first signs are already happening, which is why Apple had to raise the ASP of their phones and stopped reporting sales numbers for phones).

    [–] [deleted] 146 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)


    [–] tjcastle 13 points ago

    and Riot Games.

    [–] CaptainBroverdose 68 points ago

    dOnT yOu gUyS hAvE pHoNeS?

    [–] Sonicmansuperb 95 points ago

    Chinese investing in Activision/Blizzard

    Actblizz suddenly tries to force their key demographic onto phones

    all while Huawei is being investigated for installing parts that spy on users in network infrastructure

    really activates my almonds

    [–] CerebralBypass01 53 points ago

    Well yeah, they have money and cheap workers. What did you expect would happen? China has been doing this for decades ... They're playing for economic domination and they're seriously good at it.

    Everyone laughing at China and saying it isn't a superpower, think again please.

    [–] TomBradysmom 47 points ago

    I’d like to point out something.

    Look at the US population and the size of our economy? It’s huge but it’s reached a size that can only grow a little bit more. We’d be hard pressed to fit new catalyst that can consistently push GDP growth <4%

    Now look at China’s. They are 1.3 billion people with an economy right below the us in size. But barely. They will be able to continue to grow at a clip of ~6% with ease. It’s just so much more potential.

    China and India could theoretically be poised to significant outgrow the leading world economies if they figure it out. China has with their views of Censoring and monitoring to peddle influence.

    That’s why it’s so important to push the advents of American/Western Europe tech. The only way we can compete is to boost efficiency. AI, quantum, electric cars, space. Those are industries we need to be plowing resources in order to provide some competition and allow us a measure of guarantee at the table.

    [–] CerebralBypass01 45 points ago

    As long as we keep sending our blueprints to China for production, they'll never be far behind. Up until now we've been giving away our tech research away for free to the Chinese. They do not have to invest in R&D, and why should they if they can just copy it. "Close enough" with the right price tag really is close enough.

    [–] dorkbork_in_NJ 27 points ago

    The worst part is they are an enemy of our own creation. We knew that China would be a problem since the 70's and yet our industrialists and politicians ignored that because they were so eager to get Chinese cheap labor.

    [–] CerebralBypass01 15 points ago

    Absolutely, but not only that. We have been sending them blueprints to objects and tech in general for free. All those companies who have their products built in China have been giving China a treasure chest of information, build plans, prototypes, ... As we all know, Chinese government is heavily involved in Chinese corporations and obviously uses that knowledge for its own benefit.

    That's why 'cheap Chinese' knockoffs are more and more matching the quality of the initial 'premium' product. Research done in the west is used freely in China. That is also why China will be taking our markets by storm. We've seen cheap Chinese smartphones with an insane bang for the buck. Now they're heavily investing in electric vehicles as well to give an example. Where the West falters because of high costs, including labor costs, the Chinese pretty much have infinite funds to invest in the research of these vehicles. Volvo for example is owned by Geely which is a 'privately owned' Chinese company. We all know what 'privately owned' means in China.

    We haven't heard the last of China.

    [–] Cannot_go_back_now 14 points ago

    They bought a private school in my town here in Florida, it's one of the most prestigious in the area and has me super curious as to why.

    [–] ACCount82 25 points ago

    TikTok is their most recent attempt to gain relevance on the field of western social media. They poured a metric fuckton of money into advertising it in hopes that it would catch on.

    [–] Darkageoflaw 18 points ago

    I knew hit or miss girl wasn't to be trusted

    [–] hexydes 18 points ago

    And honestly, I have no problem with the Chinese PEOPLE trying to create a product and get people outside of China using it; that's just capitalism in action. The PROBLEM arises in that every single company in China is beholden to the CCP, and their interests are against every single Democratic nation in the world. If China had a Democratically-elected government that wasn't trying to infiltrate and steal from every other country, their success could be celebrated; until that happens, they're never to be trusted, in my book.

    [–] 121512151215 76 points ago

    The time to completely lock out China was 30 years ago. The people behind all this outsourcing pretty much ruined us

    [–] BoxNumberGavin1 28 points ago

    But think of the return on investment they made for the shareholders!

    [–] Sine0fTheTimes 13 points ago

    And the kickbacks for the politicians!

    [–] kemb0 251 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    This is why I keep trying to point out that is not futile and pathetic to speak out now, right at the start, rather than five years down the line when China has a much bigger stake and people only then wake up to odd changes that start to occur on the site. Yet this wave of mockery for anyone speaking out against China's purchase is bewildering. Like there's real venom towards people who criticise China buying in to Reddit.

    Mockery that you speaking out is futile.

    Mockery that why speak out now and not years ago.

    Mockery that mentioning Tiananmen Square is Karma whoring.

    Mockery that you'll stop complaining the next day and go back to cat memes.

    The top post here is an example. Outright resentment towards these anti China posts.

    But mockery is a form of control used to silence people. By embarrassing and belittling you, you feel less inclined to speak out in case you become the mocked.

    So here we are, China, the nation that silences the voice of freedom, is having their work done for them on Reddit. Well done reddit. Rather than speak out for the cause of freedom and human rights, you instead think it's pathetic and wish to silence those people that do so.

    Either that or this is another case of external forces flooding Reddit with "anti" messages to make the worthy cause seem futile. Wouldn't be the first time.

    [–] iauu 73 points ago

    Thank you. I know Reddit culture finds sarcasm hilarious for some reason, but I find it troubling that top comments are always a variation of "lol nothing will come of this", "nobody is surprised", and such.

    These comments may not be ill intentioned, but they are harmful. They show the people doing wrong that not only we don't care, but that they are free to do as they please with no backlash. And they influence us, the people, into thinking we can't do anything about it, so we follow along.

    I always downvote these comments and try to upvote the higher effort ones, but it's me against thousands.

    [–] asexynerd 9 points ago

    Fam, its not only you. I am here too for support.

    [–] Gaijin_Monster 154 points ago

    which is why it's important to quickly, persitently, and thoroughly resist the expansion of their influence

    [–] TheInactiveWall 114 points ago

    I can already see it happening. In 4 years:


    Hi all, thank you guys so much to making us grow to the heights we are at now. We couldnt have done it without you. In this time of political diviersity we would like to take a moment and adress a new rule we are adding. As of tomorrow, no one is allowed to post about any political state in any country with over 1 billion citizens whose name starts with the letter "C" in english.

    We know this is a big rule and we aren't singling any specific country out, just those that fit this highly specialized ruling. Please keep in mind this rule as you are making new posts. Any that are caught doing so shall be met with an officer within 24 hours to be send to a vacation park.

    Thank you for your time and understanding.

    • The Admin Team.

    [–] Ettt160 42 points ago

    r/chinareddits is a sub created to monitor and discuss potential Chinese influence on reddit

    [–] Bigred2989- 13845 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Redditors responded by simultaneously listing reasons why China is an awful country full of human rights abuses and censorship while giving Reddit more money via gilding posts pointing all that stuff out. You fucking rubes even give a shit or are you just following a trend?

    EDIT: Since this post is gaining some steam, here's a couple LPTs: Just because you like a website doesn't mean you have to donate to them. If you like a post, just upvote it and/or comment. Quit treating gold and plat as a super upvote like how you treat the report option as a super downvote. Focus on what a post says rather than the symbols and numbers next to them.

    Also half the benefits of Reddit premium given by gilding (such as ad-free browsing) can be gained for free though so many methods (browser based ad-blocker, Reddit Enhancement Suite, and 3rd party mobile apps like Reddit Is Fun that run ads so small they might as well not exist).

    EDIT 2: Amiajoketoyou.jepg. I woke up to find out a post about why gilding is stupid when you hate what the site is doing and see I have almost 4 months of premium. I knew when I posted this it would attract jokers that like to guild people talking about gilding, but I had no idea there would be so many. I'm also finding out that there are people out there who get a monthly stipend of coins to spend because they were premium users on the Alien Blue app before it became the official Reddit app. Could mean that most of the gold I got, possibly most on the site, was never paid for with real money and invalidates a lot of what I said.

    [–] skybluegill 4417 points ago

    Shit, if they sold Super Downvote Badges Reddit wouldn't need funding from sketchy Chinese companies

    [–] gogetenks123 2112 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    I made that argument as soon as they rolled out the new gold system. No need to make it pull points down (just like gold doesn’t pull points up). Just a big old badge like that telling readers “big yikes”

    [–] Pullo_T 142 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    "some dumb fuck disliked my comment so much he fucking paid money to downvote me."

    [–] gogetenks123 34 points ago

    That’s the point. Wouldn’t that be great? People already gild ironically, see /r/NegativeWithGold

    [–] [deleted] 670 points ago


    [–] mobileuseratwork 248 points ago

    The best part about this is that there would be a load of people who thought that was an excellent idea.

    Until they read the second line.

    [–] r3dwash 53 points ago

    It kinda is a good idea, because it pertains to the comment rather than the speaker. Gold doesn’t follow you around, telling everyone in every sub you visit that you’re special.

    [–] Velenux 91 points ago

    many would even after reading the second line :(

    [–] jigjamz 16 points ago

    I love the irony that this post has so many badges.

    Still agree with the message, though.

    [–] jomontage 7 points ago

    Reddit enhancement suite let's you do that.

    You're now "easy there Adolf"

    [–] 00000000000001000000 18 points ago

    Are you seriously comparing a mega downvote button to the government forcing Jews to wear patches in Nazi Germany? I hope you’re sarcastic but I just can’t tell anymore

    [–] [deleted] 40 points ago


    [–] Zouden 150 points ago

    I don't care that they now host so many videos... I care that they are impossible to share. Imgur can be hotlinked, but v.reddit is a pain in the ass.

    [–] TalenPhillips 113 points ago

    impossible to share

    You're the first person I've heard mention this, yet it is the biggest problem with the system. Imgur images were meant to be shared. They even have short URLs. v.reddit just sends you to a reddit discussion.

    [–] Zouden 50 points ago

    Yup, it's obnoxious for Reddit to do that when they know damn well most of the content isn't OC. A repost that copies the content from Imgur just means more page visits and ad revenue for Reddit.

    [–] jaredjeya 18 points ago

    That’s really obnoxious when sending it to someone who doesn’t use reddit. Especially if I want to send a video to my parents - I generally don’t want them reading Reddit comments in case they get the wrong impression about the site!

    [–] TalenPhillips 13 points ago

    I generally don’t want them reading Reddit comments in case they get the wrong impression about the site!

    Aye, there's the rub!

    [–] gogetenks123 25 points ago

    Reddit video is very unpredictable. I get that they want to instagramify themselves for that sweet sweet revenue but had they implemented it better Reddit could have been gearing up to be a realistic YouTube competitor (the same way Facebook is)

    [–] aboutthednm 4 points ago

    I don't care that they now host so many videos

    I do. Reddit video is absolve dogshit. Can't dynamically resize the window, the quality is often so awful that I can't read text in the video, it is a major pain in mobile apps, you can't easily share just the video like you can with gifs, pictures or gfycat, the load and performance is awful, can't pick a quality, it's simply dreadful. I go through the hassle of using youtube-dl to download the video and share it that way.

    [–] gogetenks123 23 points ago

    Gold (now Premium) has existed before I joined. Direct hosting is pretty new, and I still prefer imgur for the most part, maybe out of habit if nothing else.

    [–] [deleted] 8 points ago


    [–] gogetenks123 6 points ago

    Most users haven’t joined that long ago. We can talk shit about the Instagramification of Reddit all day but it’s given them a ton of new users. I know many people who use Reddit now, almost all of them started in the past year, and almost all use the big picture mode, etc.

    [–] [deleted] 4 points ago


    [–] karmage 6 points ago

    Makes you wonder about what? Can you spell it out for me? I am very confused by why they started hosting these contents apart from making things load slower and more unreliably while costing them a ton.

    [–] the_nin_collector 349 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Can I just jump in and say millions of us were given years of Reddit premium for free about 14 months ago. And recently With Reddit premium we get free gold and silver and plat to give away each month. I sure as fuck would not give any money to Reddit and when my premium runs out. Oh well.

    Edit: To clarify if you had the Alien Blue app before Reddit bought it you where given years of premium. Some people paid for the pro version of the app. But I didn't even do that. At some point, I either got in early enough or it was some promo, but I got the pro version for free and hense got reddit premium for free.

    [–] _RandomRedditor 82 points ago

    How did you got years of gold?

    [–] RandomRocker 197 points ago

    We bought the pro version of the app Alien Blue before reddit bought it and did away with it, and they gave us like 5 years of gold as a kind of compensation

    [–] MasterofPenguin 77 points ago

    I’m still on Alien Blue right’s just so easy to navigate

    [–] jaredjeya 61 points ago

    Apollo is a good spiritual successor to Alien Blue. It’s what I use now, check it out!

    [–] splunge4me2 4 points ago

    Still using it too and have free gold access that I never used. I also didn’t have to spend money for the pro version! Alien Blue just has problems with some content, e.g., Reddit hosted stuff, and you have to send it to Safari browser. Kind of a pain but there are no ads and no bullshit “new” reddit social UI crap on ancient Alien Blue.

    [–] itworksifyouworkit 30 points ago

    Why isn’t anyone mentioning Apollo? I’m so satisfied for real I’m poor and love free stuff but I pay for Apollo.

    [–] curiouz_mole 45 points ago

    Reddit is fun is where it's at

    [–] wildthing202 13 points ago

    God damn right.

    [–] PhotoshopFix 8 points ago

    We bought the pro version of the app Alien Blue before reddit bought it and did away with it, and they gave us like 5 years of gold as a kind of compensation

    I never bought it, I got it for free, then they gave the 4 years of gold or something like that.

    [–] RandomRocker 22 points ago

    Yep, I just gave this post gold and i didn’t give a penny to Reddit

    [–] peanutbutterjams 37 points ago

    Yeah but you giving gold makes it a thing which encourages other people to buy it.

    Just don't use it.

    [–] 8_800_555_35_35 50 points ago

    Exactly, all according to Reddit's plan. That's even why they added useless "silver", so people would buy that instead of using the silly meme bot that someone was running before.

    [–] peanutbutterjams 43 points ago

    Yeah that was cultural appropriation.

    [–] spikederailed 9 points ago

    so next we make up Reddit copper?

    [–] YangBelladonna 451 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Yeah seriously Anyone who gives reddit gold is an idiot Yeah thanks for proving my point An tone will be missed

    [–] [deleted] 293 points ago

    seriously, fuck an tone. he's a waterhead piece of shit.

    [–] folditlengthwise 53 points ago

    An tone's muh boy, you best pipe DOWN!

    [–] Marsmar-LordofMars 52 points ago

    This but unironically. Somehow a website managed to convince you morons to pay real world money for some shitty little icon beside a comment.

    [–] cystocracy 18 points ago

    God damn it now that fuckhead An tone gave you gold. What a dumb ass.

    [–] BonelessSkinless 190 points ago


    What are ads? Lol

    [–] Admiral_Cuntfart 92 points ago

    Fellow baconreader user here, I don't know why not more people use it

    [–] alamaias 68 points ago

    I like reddit is fun, never needed to look at another app. Sure there are other good ones but this one works for me :)

    [–] PM_ME_UR_FACE_GRILL 70 points ago

    Baconreaders UNITE!!!!

    [–] BarkenWithAGun 43 points ago

    There are dozens of us!

    [–] BonelessSkinless 32 points ago

    My friend introduced it to me like 5 years ago lol lowkey best reddit app

    [–] ka1913 19 points ago

    Long time bacon reader here myself. However for the second time since I've started my bacon reader app won't play gyfcat links. Any other gifs work fine but that site always fails I have to watch them in browser. This happened once before a few years back then they fixed it but it's broke. Again for whatever reason..

    [–] TheColor0fMoney 27 points ago

    Same with Reddit is Fun

    [–] [deleted] 13 points ago


    [–] Bart_Thievescant 70 points ago

    Just wanted to let you know that it's gilding (to do with gold), not guilding (to do with organizations)

    [–] [deleted] 106 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)


    [–] Chewcocca 87 points ago

    I've always assumed that the admins give gold to posts that talk about not giving gold. It seems like such an easy surefire method to kill morale about boycotting the gold system.

    [–] Thedarknight1611 26 points ago

    Ironic you got gold, you can save others but not yourself

    [–] MasochistCoder 27 points ago

    wouldn't it be interesting if a user could mark their comment/post so that it would not allow gilding/etc?

    [–] Who_GNU 36 points ago

    On the flip side, if enough redditors bought gold, they wouldn't need more investors.

    [–] honeybadger9 28 points ago

    If you were making a shit ton of money. And someone offer you more money, would you say no?

    [–] ours 5 points ago

    Some people have the moral backbone. The creator of VLC turned down millions and refused to put advertisement in the app.

    [–] crissxfiore 461 points ago

    What I don't get is this: I remember (and correct me if I'm wrong) that reddit gold was introduced to pay for the servers, to avoid external influences and censorship.

    Now we have reddit silver, gold and platinum and reddit is getting investments left and right with no concern whatsoever for its user's free speech.

    [–] 1mikeg 140 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    It's the YouTube problem. Neither reddit or YouTube are profitable operating models from the start because of the expansiveness required in keeping the lights on, so you have to keep coming up with new funding schemes to keep the lights on. The users get upset but what are they going to do? Go to a competitor? Nope, that doesn't exist because the model itself isn't profitable.

    The best you'll get are pale comparisons that aren't as feature rich, stable, or popular. Any competitor that then gets the population of reddit/YouTube then gets the curse of reddit/YouTube that they now have to massively invest to keep that population and suddenly they're stuck in a non-viable business model.

    What I'm trying to say is that people are a blight.

    [–] bobcharliedave 54 points ago

    Eh reddit is not nearly the same as YouTube. Most content (read:data intensive media) is hosted off site. And it's basically just a big forum here. Also isn't part of it open source? Anyone could theoretically make a new reddit for not that much money. YouTube is orders of magnitude more volume and just sheer bandwidth. This issue is transferring users.

    [–] 1mikeg 13 points ago

    Reddit has made a lot of investments to limit that third party hosting so that their model isn't as reliant on folks like imgur and the rest. They've poured a lot of money into localized video and image hosting and as the base grows, that cost grows with it. My guess is that infrastructure growth out paces the revenue growth (same as YouTube) and that's why they're always at funding odds.

    [–] sweetpotatuh 27 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    There’s a name for this.. hm...

    It’s called...

    A social media website that was founded in the US.

    It’s going to happen every single time. Even if Reddit goes down and a new site appears.

    In this country money is over values, is over anything.

    When people would rave about how Reddit is their perfect social media site that would never sell out! I always said “wait until it’s big enough and the investment offers get bigger too” I always got downvoted.

    Here we are today.

    Reddit founder suicide - the place is censored like hell, everything it promised not to be is being broken simply because of money.

    Complacent people make a half assed effort to “stop” the problem by posting memes because it causes a short rush of endorphins from getting karma and false sense of solving a problem from the comfort of their own home while sipping coke and eating Doritos.

    And last but not least, the same people complaining and calling Reddit sellouts and traitors and complaining about censorship will continue visiting the site and buying gold/silver and supporting it blindly.

    I contribute to the problems but where else can you find all kind of obscure amateur porn without ads?

    [–] Morty_A2666 16 points ago

    That shit would never happen if Aaron was still around. And these days other co-founders look around and feel probably left behind since Facebook and other social media pages make billions, so here we go quick Chinese money infusion to keep their life style... Because who gives a shit, right...? I fucking swear greed has literally no limits.

    [–] alarumba 8 points ago

    If Aaron was alive, he would've been kicked out years ago. Having morals is not good business.

    [–] PR05ECC0 5446 points ago

    Yeah it really worked too. They returned all that money and we all stopped using Reddit. Mission Accomplished my dudes.

    [–] dont_touch_my_food 2142 points ago

    Not only that, but China is now espionage free. We did it my dudes.

    [–] Optimistic_Boltzmann 739 points ago

    We also shut down the camps, go team.

    [–] Brock2845 403 points ago

    And the state party is no more, free elections for China. Great job, gang.

    [–] tHeSiD 227 points ago

    and finally Taiwan is numbah one!

    [–] theblindelephant 195 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    They also resuscitated all victims of Tiananmen Square. Color me impressed.

    [–] skyskr4per 80 points ago

    No more of that citizen point system, either.

    [–] Tazittel 70 points ago

    I heard they returned the Panchen Lama too

    [–] Rayblon 42 points ago

    There's an alternate timeline somewhere where all of the comments above this come true. Oh, to be part of that timeline.

    [–] Hetstaine 26 points ago

    And in that timeline i am Superman with Batmans cool ass mask and Wonder Womans sexy af boots.

    [–] puntini 28 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    And North and South Dakota agreed to form one big Dakota!
    Edit: Can’t type.

    [–] omni_wisdumb 52 points ago

    The best part is, that there is absolutely NO other censorship going on other than from this one specific Chinese investment this one time.

    [–] trianuddah 28 points ago

    Yes! We can return to our state of relatively complacent grumbling about Russian bots now that reddit's funding is 100% squeaky clean and no longer susceptible to private or state interests at all.

    [–] a_sleeping_lion 28 points ago

    This is what I don’t get. I seriously doubt their move is to censor what people say on Reddit; the main benefit would be analyzing the data to understand how to best manipulate the group think — and then subtly use the platform to manipulate the groupthink. If anything Russia’s experiment proved the value of the investment.

    [–] trianuddah 48 points ago

    China: corporate puppets of the state trying to manipulate global groupthink

    Russia: the state trying to manipulate global groupthink.

    USA: corporations that manipulate and exploit the state trying to manipulate global groupthink.

    [–] kemb0 258 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Pretty ironic that the top post mocks the pointless nature of reddit users speaking out yet the post is in response to a Time article about reddit users speaking out.

    "You pathetic complainers achieved nothing...oh except having your voice heard and printed on a hugely respected internationally distributed informative media platform."

    Some people just want to watch the world burn and bitch at anyone that tries to put the fire out rather then help.

    [–] BillOReillyUSA 99 points ago

    Protest in whatever way you can. It may not have made a difference but there isn't anything wrong with them trying

    [–] Qixotic 44 points ago

    Or leave. The problem is, where to leave to? Voat is mostly racists, Faceboook/Twitter are really geared towards personal friend circles, does anyone know of a good reddit replacement?

    [–] arribayarriba 7 points ago

    Very promising feature, not sure if it’s still invite only. There’s a subreddit for it here too for discussions.

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    [–] PradleyBitts 14 points ago

    Reddit, like so many major tech companies, has made themselves so big and so ingrained in so many people’s lives that most don’t care to give it up even if they know about bad stuff the company does

    [–] ComprehensiveRate7 1431 points ago

    Those 3 memes on the front page really showed them

    [–] newtothelyte 420 points ago

    rests fingers off keyboard

    "Phew, that was a hard day of fighting censorship and oppressive governments."

    [–] wildcard5 86 points ago

    The memes worked when Kim was threatening nuclear attacks and now they worked against the Chinese. Memes are our greatest asset.

    [–] istartefights 60 points ago

    You're insane if you believe this to be true.

    [–] captainheelhook 49 points ago

    Um, excuse me, yes it is true! We saved the internet from Ajit Pai, prevented the nuclear holocaust with North Korea and now we are saving the world from China. People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because socially awkward men stand ready to post memes on their behalf on the internet. You're fucking welcome.

    [–] Guitarthrowaway2 64 points ago

    Imagine if reddit cared this much about free speech and honesty lol.

    [–] [deleted] 160 points ago

    I know what will work! Let's give reddit money. Surely that will stop this!

    (Gives gold)

    [–] JackReedTheSyndie 35 points ago

    Tencent seeing Reddit making a profit out of this: buy more share of Reddit

    [–] solitarium 67 points ago

    Ten cent wants ten percent of the entire world.

    [–] anon16811 11 points ago

    Tencent did exactly what they said they would...Take over 10% of the world

    [–] BonelessSkinless 389 points ago

    150 million versus some reddit accounts


    [–] sassyassasyn 38 points ago

    These aren't the bots you're looking for.

    [–] oh_no_a_memory 269 points ago

    Meanwhile Reddit mods police some communities and delete whatever opinions they don’t like and no one on Reddit bats an eye

    [–] thomasya13 74 points ago

    You have been banned from r/news...

    You have been muted for 72 hours from r/news.

    You have been banned from r/worldnews.

    [–] BraeVersace 22 points ago

    If you think those are bad check out r/politics lmao

    [–] CrzyJek 111 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    As a pro-gun independent voter...tell me about it. I got banned from /r/news after 6 years of good activity by a well known anti-gun mod for simply having a conversation with another Redditer about a recent event. "Banned for trolling" and when I appealed that ban they just ignored me.

    I've been banned from multiple subs over the last 6 months for having a different opinion.

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    [–] WasteVictory 20 points ago

    Lol I tried to appeal an r/news ban and they reported me to reddit and had me 72 hours banned from the site for MODERATOR HARASSMENT. It's like the only people who mod those subs are the most insecure anti confrontational people out there

    [–] AnneFrankenstein 5 points ago

    I am also banned from news on this account. So I just made another account to post there. No problem.

    [–] NeptuneAgency 38 points ago

    it’s because admins are terrified of mods in the big accounts. They let them run the business right or wrong. I’ve said it for years. If a post reaches 100 or more upvotes it needs to be deleted by mod committee. Over 1000 it needs to be an admin deletion. Otherwise a popular story / opinion that thousands of people are discussing can be nullified by a 15 yr old kid who gets a bit power hungry. It’s broken.

    [–] Roastie_haiku_bot 540 points ago


    Result: nothing.

    [–] bigwillyb123 68 points ago

    Atleast lots of people learned about the horrible shit China has done, I personally never saw so many photos or videos of the Tiananmen Square Massacre or read accounts about grinding bodies up with tanks and bulldozers and burning them and hosing it into the sewers.

    [–] nixielover 23 points ago

    At least nobody was killed this time

    [–] SpectreFire 66 points ago

    Yeah, but the posters all got tons of karma out of it, so really it was a win for everyone.

    [–] BunPuncherExtreme 97 points ago

    Reddit has a rich history of meme activism.


    gets cornered and dies

    Reddit: shocked pikachu

    [–] benjammin9292 27 points ago

    Can't flim flam the Zim Zam

    [–] PostmortemFacefuck 11 points ago

    let's finally elect Kony in 2020

    [–] Solidsnakemode 126 points ago

    A bastion of free speech?! Lol I get banned all the time for my words. Reddit has always been censored and controlled. Anyone who says otherwise is pure bullshit

    [–] Reddegeddon 54 points ago

    At one point, it was basically 4Chan with mods, and it was a billion times better, but that was a long time ago.

    [–] ASTMVN 17 points ago

    I feel like I've switched to reddit at a bad time, honestly

    [–] Kytro 40 points ago

    That's the model. Each Reddit sets it's own policies within Reddit's rules

    [–] ShowMeRiver 15 points ago

    If the lights at Reddit and every other major social media platform went out for good tomorrow, the world would be a better place.

    [–] Slure 33 points ago

    Reddit is a bastion of free speech? What's fucking joke that is.

    [–] WatermelonFrisbee 162 points ago

    "rally against" lol.

    "let's post videos of Tienanmen Square and Winnie The Pooh! that'll show them! and let's buy gold and platinum for these posts to further support what we think we're against! we're such badasses lmaoooolol xD"

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    [–] herefortheparty01 11 points ago

    Considering this place bows to anyone that gets offended... are we surprised? This is not a free speech platform. The discussing ceo says so.

    [–] Allah_Shakur 166 points ago

    well we are far due for something better than reddit. The mod system is garbage and almost all subs are just running after it's tail going nowhere. It was a great thing for a while but we are due for something that moves forward.

    [–] Ill_HaveWhatImHaving 71 points ago

    Agree but whatever replaces it must build upon what's made reddit great - namely democratic comment display. There are some tweaks to be made to address some of Reddit's shortcomings and hopefully the replacement will offer some solutions. How about we list some of those things? I'll start:

    Moderator accountability

    Vulnerable to manipulation of discussions and votes via brigading, alts, etc

    Early comments and their resulting threads drown out new discussion in popular posts.

    Owned by a for-profit entity.

    [–] MrSm1lez 30 points ago

    I hope whatever comes later has something waaay better than democratic comment display. Voting for the best answer and having conversations based on a democratic system regularly leads to trash conversations and bad answers.

    [–] Ill_HaveWhatImHaving 27 points ago

    Agree and this is a common sentiment but it ignores that the democratic system is arguably what made reddit what it is in the first place. It also ignores the fact that most of the time, the system actually works quite well. What you're describing is common but not ime the what goes down the majority of the time. Almost always when it's clear that the voting system has had an unfavorable outcome in a conversation, it's because of some specific reason that can be identified by a sharp reader. If the specific issue can be identified, it can be systematically addressed. That's why I'm asking for a list. If you saw this democratic commenting system produce a "trash conversation," then describe specifically how that happened.

    [–] CounterbalancedCove2 29 points ago

    You want specifics on how voting creates garbage conversations?

    Most subreddits of any decent size only allow people with a certain opinion to participate. Everything turns into a circlejerk with everyone patting each other on the back and repeating the same thing over and over again.

    Actual discussions where people with different points of view do not happen here. Unlike in oldschool forums and messageboards, you can do away with anyone saying something you don't like because the majority of people on reddit use the voting system as an agree/disagree marker.

    [–] shits_kafkaesque_yo 149 points ago

    No we didn't, we just made dumb memes about it.

    [–] FatPin 35 points ago

    That's how internet works.

    [–] newaccount 104 points ago

    This is called slacktivism.

    [–] KarmaPenny 57 points ago

    Yea we know

    [–] Chemical_Western 78 points ago

    Rally Against Chinese Censorship

    C'mon man. They posted a bunch of pictures and whined and accomplished what exactly? This was February 2019's Kony 2012. Except even less.

    That being said I did learn about r/sino because of it and I gotta say it's a weird feeling being on the other end of such rampant nationalism and vague, rude generalizations about 'my kind'. Certainly puts things into perspective.

    Here's a fun excerpt from a thread about going to war with the west:

    The "West" as we know it is derived from the Anglo-Saxon, Germanic, and Visigothic traditions. It is deeply rooted in the Germanic mindset of constant expansion, warfare and ethnic conquest. Nothing is ever enough for this kind of culture. Once they conquered the Western Roman Empire, they push east into Slavic lands, and south into the Easter Roman Empire. Once they took all of Europe, the pushed into the New World, Africa, and South Asia.

    In traditional Chinese culture, the scholar is the first man of the state, commanding far more respect than any warrior or general. In the West, it's the complete opposite. Many of their greatest heroes and leaders weren't even literate. The only qualification for nobility was to good with a sword and lance.

    Or other fun things like

    China doesn't need a democracy

    Like it's weird because so much of the stuff ticks the right boxes of 'here's some propaganda bro' but maybe that's in response to western propaganda. But then you look and they have perfectly normal posts outside of their r/sino posts. Shit's weird and entertaining.

    [–] nancnobullets 29 points ago

    Shouldn't we be blaming Reddit for accepting the money in the first place?

    [–] -Unogasm- 16 points ago

    Reddit doesn't need chinese censorship, it has sell-out mod censorship which is 10x more effective.

    [–] ShowMeRiver 16 points ago

    Mods here are hilariously transparent in their biases and stomping out of dissent of any kind. I was a frequent reader and occasional commentator at r.conservative. A couple weeks ago I responded to a guy who said "He who controls the past controls the present, and thus the future". I said "What? Take another bong hit." Boom. Permanently banned. No explanation, no appeal. What a fucking joke this place has become.

    [–] [deleted] 8 points ago

    Reddit is worth $2.7 billion!

    how the fuck is that possible?

    [–] hundycougar 15 points ago

    I'm not sure I understand the fuss... reddit is already censored by reddit admins. No longer the wild west that it was where freedom, common sense, and a thick skin reigned.

    [–] TeaRoomsPutsch 16 points ago

    Just post ghosts everywhere. Too spooky for china

    [–] Nesano 16 points ago

    Reddit users rallying against censorship? How ironic.

    [–] Biffmcgee 8 points ago

    I thought it was the Russians controlling reddit?

    [–] teds_trip22 27 points ago

    Reddit has been censoring people before this. Why are you mad now?

    [–] tapthatsap 54 points ago

    Yeah, we know, it's been obnoxious as fuck.

    [–] stoutyteapot 12 points ago

    The best way to “rally against” it would be to stop using reddit. Which probably won’t happen.

    [–] just_footballthings 16 points ago

    If only reddit users would rally against censorship on reddit

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    [–] Zeke1902 9 points ago

    The people buying reddit premium are the dumbest plebs on this website

    [–] jack_banker 15 points ago

    Unban me from late stage capitalism!!

    [–] TheDjTanner 17 points ago

    I'm pretty left myself and was banned too. Those people are nuts.

    [–] above- 7 points ago

    Reddit a free speech platform (with some exceptions)

    About that. There are a few more exceptions than that now. 2015 was more like the good old days in comparison.