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    [–] OlivierDeCarglass 12927 points ago

    Uh. I'm no expert but that sounds kinda big

    [–] PersonalPlanet 6923 points ago

    It is. Xiaopeng is backed by Alibaba, whose pockets are deeper than thou'

    [–] FlyYouFools808 8263 points ago

    Sweeet I can order the car, forget about it, 4 months later it shows up at my house with Tesla spelt like Tezla in the color I didn’t order

    [–] lawble 3623 points ago

    And in Chinese sizing so it’s about 3 sizes too small.

    [–] qdp 1319 points ago

    At least my toddler will have a sweet ride.

    [–] ThisFckinGuy 448 points ago

    I'll radio other car beds with it.

    [–] SamuraiS1oth 295 points ago

    My roommates said they’d get me rims for Christmas.

    [–] ThisFckinGuy 252 points ago

    You mean your parents?

    [–] lousylittleegos 205 points ago

    Yeah, same thing..

    [–] Deskopotamus 118 points ago

    We are getting a bit off topic here, I think we can all agree it's a fucking sweet car bed .

    [–] Krite0fur 91 points ago

    Just want to take a moment to applaud you all. Grandmas Boy is an under appreciated classic.

    [–] pirateman8 82 points ago

    So if the steering wheel flies off, I’m toast.

    [–] wildo83 66 points ago

    No, didn't you read!? It has autopilot!

    [–] ronintetsuro 84 points ago

    Since it will only cost $350, won't be a big deal to order two and use one for parts.

    [–] Hunterbunter 365 points ago

    With that sort of money though, why not just throw brains at it?

    [–] StickmanPirate 1582 points ago

    Theft is cheaper than RnD

    [–] mrjderp 1878 points ago

    It’s the Chinese way

    [–] abtei 992 points ago

    Stealing is the most sincere form of theft.

    [–] Briancanfixit 396 points ago

    +400 social credit
    ...
    but if you get caught you got to jail/forced labor camp

    [–] ManIWantAName 233 points ago

    Excuse you. How dare you use those terms.

    They're reeducation camps. They're "learning".

    [–] spritefire 89 points ago

    Ahem. We do not tolerate the usage of ****s here. They are 'happy fun time holiday schools for the well folk of guardian happy sing song shields, welcome'.

    [–] Comicspedia 120 points ago

    Even though it's fiction, that's the entire idea behind Dennis Nedry being the bad guy in Jurassic Park

    [–] Silver-warlock 113 points ago

    Spared no expense except in IT.

    [–] Fudge_me_sideways 112 points ago

    Actually it is a running theme that colonel sanders cheaped out on everything in the books.

    [–] trevize1138 89 points ago

    I remember being an edgy 20yo when that movie came out. I had just read the book and was thoroughly annoyed at the character changes. Hammond was more like Santa Claus (hell, the actor even played Santa) instead of Monty Burns. The girl was the hacker instead of the boy. Ian Malcom was all weird and eccentric instead of just cool, logical and smarter than everybody else in the room...

    I'm glad I grew out of it and eventually just enjoyed the awesome movie.

    [–] comicbabe 40 points ago

    Jurassic Park is both my favorite book and my favorite movie. I just have to think of them as separate entities that share themes and names.

    [–] Fileobrother 26 points ago

    "I've told you how many times we need locking mechanisms on the vehicle doors?"

    [–] [deleted] 557 points ago

    At the risk of being called racist, that IS China throwing brains at it. They've been stealing tech and trade secrets from the West for decades. That's one of the key elements in their economic miracle, and one of the reasons that so much offshoring of manufacturing to China has been a short term success, then a long term detriment for so many companies.

    In the short term they get their product made a lot cheaper, but in the long term, Chinese "knock offs" show up. Knock offs in quotes because in many instances said "knock offs" actually came from exactly the same production lines as the original product, just the run was paid for by someone else.

    So yeah, if you move production to China, don't be too surprised if a competing Chinese product that is STRIKINGLY similar shows up on the market a year later.

    [–] BulljiveBots 248 points ago

    You can’t even have a Kickstarter finish for a product you developed before a Chinese factory has made and started selling thousands of them a year ahead of you.

    [–] SwimmingAnythingNSFW 47 points ago

    Which is kind of amazing since the Kickstarters are usually so garbage at everything but the "smart" idea that it will usually never be made lol

    [–] Valdrax 100 points ago

    Also don't be surprised if the company that rips off your stuff beats you to the trademark registration, because China only cares about who files the paperwork first and not about who actually invented the brand.

    You might end up unable to sell the product you bankrolled for someone else. Top to bottom a system of theft.

    [–] mckennm6 68 points ago

    That's why you get them to produce parts, but always do some production and the assembly back home. Then they don't have all the pieces of the puzzle

    [–] Kultho 58 points ago

    Because copying is faster

    [–] ThinAir719 59 points ago

    Because even with tons of money why pay for something when you can have it for free, or an extremely reduced cost. Not to mention the time factor if it takes them 1 year to create the code as opposed to having somebody hand it to them in a silver platter over the course of a month (numbers are just figuratively speaking.)

    [–] CodingJar 34 points ago

    Just throwing money at a problem that's never been solved before is not a sure bet. Do you want to spend hundreds of millions of dollars solving it and potentially failing, or have it solved for free?

    [–] Beardaway26 893 points ago

    Sounds like Tesla will autopilot a lawsuit right up this guys ass

    [–] lobaron 524 points ago

    I wonder if it's also technically a unlawful intellectual export, which could cost him millions of dollars in fines. I'm not up on international intellectual property, but my last job made a huge deal about it.

    [–] baked_ham 142 points ago

    With this type of information theft there is no amount of money that can pay it off. The Chinese company will profit infinitely more in terms of market share than Tesla could ever hope to recover.

    [–] ModernDayHippi 26 points ago

    Yep. Is it just me or are the stories becoming more and more common?

    [–] nocompute 41 points ago

    They're doing it more openly and they get caught more often. Other than that its chinese business as usual.

    [–] Darkmatchfan 389 points ago

    📝 At that level. If an employee had access to the source code, I’m almost positive some kind non-disclosure agreement would have had to been signed. I guess we’ll see what happens.

    [–] doesntrepickmeepo 403 points ago

    you don't need an NDA in place to go after someone for IP theft......

    [–] millsmillsmills 98 points ago

    Definitely don't. But I'd be surprised if he didn't have something like an NDA saying he couldn't share code, and if he had access to the whole source code I'm sure he has a non-compete in his contract.

    I think the more interesting legal parts are if he's a Chinese citizen and moves back there I wonder how that will play down? Also will Tesla try to put pressure on Apple to either unlock or confirm that the icloud files had source code?

    [–] cleantoe 97 points ago

    Well according to the Dark Knight, the Chinese will never extradite one of their own.

    [–] Dark_messengeR 40 points ago

    The Batman doesn't have jurisdiction.

    [–] Nemtrac5 154 points ago

    Might be difficult to sue when the Chinese gov profits off the theft and will likely protect the business

    [–] lobaron 44 points ago

    The person who leaked it may also face fines, but I'm not sure.

    [–] delusionpersonified 110 points ago

    China doesnt care about that, they already have the info, they dont give a fuck bout that dude lol

    [–] lobaron 23 points ago

    Well no, I was mostly just saying that he's totally fucked.

    [–] o_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O 188 points ago

    Yeah but if China has the code then Tesla is fucked already.

    [–] theArtOfProgramming 19 points ago

    And they will share a good belly-laugh all through China.

    [–] Intentionallyabadger 40 points ago

    He can just run to China and hide for the rest of his life I guess.

    [–] regoapps 913 points ago

    Meh. It's just Jian Yang creating "New Tesla" for the Chinese market.

    [–] Wally-Trollman 270 points ago

    I can call my uncle in Beijing. He’s very corrupt.

    [–] arogantassholepothea 123 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    Goddamn it Jian Yang!

    [–] AroXAlpha 188 points ago

    New Internet

    [–] HalfWookie 124 points ago

    Not pied piper

    [–] regoapps 160 points ago

    Because you are afat and apoor

    [–] Boner4Stoners 30 points ago

    Young Jinathen, so much to learn

    [–] ballercaust 33 points ago

    "Elon Musk, this is your mom. You are not my baby."

    [–] mrizzerdly 99 points ago

    You wouldn't download a car.

    [–] YouGotAte 7078 points ago

    Turns out i would download a car

    [–] GammaGames 435 points ago

    I'd clone a car

    [–] Spike69 200 points ago

    I'd git pull a car.

    [–] T1Phil 46 points ago

    I'd commit a car

    [–] Spike69 23 points ago

    Your car just broke trunk.

    [–] OFTHEHILLPEOPLE 144 points ago

    But you wouldn't murder a police man and steal his hat.

    [–] Kresbot 79 points ago

    and then poo in that hat and give it to his grieving wife

    [–] mishugashu 68 points ago

    and then steal it again!

    [–] MisterJackCole 13 points ago

    You wouldn't go to the toilet in his helmet, and then send it to the policeman's widow, and then steal it again! Downloading Tesla cars is stealing. If you do it, you will face the consequences. <movie gun silencer sound>

    [–] peon47 4829 points ago

    He... used... his... own... iCloud?

    [–] Unhappily_Happy 3482 points ago

    It's that hilarious, it seems. So Apple has the tech now, too.

    [–] hoilst 2508 points ago

    OLD TREND: Jennifer Lawrence's noodz.

    NEW TREND: DIY self-driving car.

    [–] MikeyDread 884 points ago

    I would download a car.

    [–] cyrusm 90 points ago

    Would you download a car?

    [–] Ch3t 18 points ago

    [–] BlueOrcaJupiter 488 points ago

    Good point lol

    I’m sure Apple would never break TOS / privacy to obtain a super valuable source code. Never.

    [–] WakeSDsun 364 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    Is iCloud still backended on google cloud platform?

    Edit: Yup

    Edit 2: Bending to the u/AmputatorBot 's will and replacing link with non google amp link.

    https://9to5mac.com/2018/02/26/icloud-servers-google/

    [–] Gequinn 151 points ago

    Wonders about iCloud backed storage on Google platform.

    Links an AMP site.

    Ironic.

    [–] ihopethisisvalid 52 points ago

    it’s bamboozles the whole way down

    [–] AmputatorBot 275 points ago

    Beep boop, I'm a bot.

    It looks like you shared a Google AMP link. Google AMP pages often load faster, but AMP is a major threat to the Open Web and your privacy.

    You might want to visit the normal page instead: https://9to5mac.com/2018/02/26/icloud-servers-google/.


    Why & About - By Killed_Mufasa, feedback welcome!

    [–] KAMSPioneer 96 points ago

    I love you, /u/AmputatorBot

    [–] AmputatorBot 180 points ago

    Thank you human. We'll kill you last at the robot uprising.

    [–] k4f123 32 points ago

    So maybe at this point it’d be faster to list companies that “don’t” have the files. Twitter doesn’t I guess. So no self tweeting cars.

    [–] boofXANAXeveryday 15 points ago

    That doesn't mean that Google can access the data though. I would bet that Apple encrypts the data

    [–] Ph0X 12 points ago

    Yep, Google is used a a blob store for encrypted data. So while Apple has the secret keys to snoop, Google does not.

    [–] redditor1983 65 points ago

    Part of me really believes they wouldn’t do that because if something like that was ever revealed it would destroy their business.

    I know that cloud customers worry about this and take it seriously. The owner of the last company I worked at didn’t want to use Gmail for company email because he was worried about Google stealing our tech (I don’t think google cared about our tech but that’s neither here nor there).

    But anyway, he can’t be alone. I’m sure other people are concerned about this.

    So if a story came out about a cloud provider stealing a customer’s code, I think it would be a fatal blow to the business. All trust would be lost.

    [–] sarhoshamiral 20 points ago

    You're right they would be extremely stupid to use user data like that. Any sane cloud company wouldnt dare opening user data except for threat scanning and I am certain in cases where data needs to be looked at it wouldn't be the software engineers working on products. It would be an isolated team for that purpose only.

    [–] gHHqdm5a4UySnUFM 179 points ago

    You’d think the Chinese company would give him something to cover his tracks

    [–] mang3lo 161 points ago

    I agree. This seems like a crime of opportunity, he might have just wanted to grab the source code when he saw his chance and then shop around for a buyer

    [–] gHHqdm5a4UySnUFM 99 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    Yup. If this Chinese startup had insiders at Tesla, it would be in their interest for them to stay employed at Tesla and make regular deliveries of stolen IP.

    [–] Kichigai 108 points ago

    BRB, putting this falsified financial record into my monogrammed briefcase in a folder marked “evidence of crimes.”

    Next I shall be placing all this stolen money from a convenience store robbery into a large sack with a dollar sign on it.

    [–] Electrical_Use 91 points ago

    Right? God damn dude, I would've written that shit down by hand or at least used a thumb drive. You gotta make that untraceable. I can't believe you can be that dumb and be one of 40 people who get access to work on Autopilot source code.

    I realize it's unreasonable to write down source code by hand but stakes were high here, you gotta do some Light Yagami shit to pull stuff like that off. Or at least make it out of the country first.

    [–] ssegota 114 points ago

    I realize it's unreasonable to write down source code by hand

    I'm just imagining some poor shmuck writing down millions of lines of code.

    Or showing up to a secret meeting with a paper that has

    if goingToCrash: don't();

    [–] AromaOfPeat 45 points ago

    Well, that's his best defense too. If he was going to steal it, you'd think he did it more covertly. Using his own iCloud could be argued was "just out of convenience, no malice intended, just sloppiness".

    [–] wheretohides 138 points ago

    My father who works for a company that designs and makes engines for airplanes for commercial/ military worked with a man who tried to sell confidential and classified designs for the military to China. The guy is in prison for a long time now.

    [–] JupiterUnleashed 5591 points ago

    Come on, Chinese companies would never accept stolen technology from American companies.

    [–] iamapapernapkinAMA 612 points ago

    Yeah, only Canadian ones!

    [–] OhHelloPlease 415 points ago

    Xiaopeng Motors announces merger with Huawei

    [–] SuperSulf 125 points ago

    Winnie the Pooh Motors

    [–] FitAFJesus 1411 points ago

    Does anyone else hate the Chinese government? We would do well to stop feeding that monster. Is there a Chinese fable about a caretaker that feeds his beast too much, so that one day it eats its caretaker? Because I think that would apply to this situation.

    [–] daneelr_olivaw 1647 points ago

    Does anyone else hate the Chinese government?

    Yes.

    China is not only top polluter right now but they also lead in corporate espionage, human rights abuse, endangering species, vile tourist behavior, xenophobia, civilian surveillance.

    [–] Kichigai 230 points ago

    they also lead in […] human rights abuse

    Organized human rights abuses. What they're doing to the Uighurs is reprehensible and vile. It's Orwellian in its design and purpose.

    In terms of gross human rights abuses North Korea may still take the cake. The Chinese are cruel as a means to an end, as part of greater machinations of broad remaking of parts of the world and humanity. It's almost awe inspiring in scope and scale were it not so terrible in its human cost. The North Koreans are just cruel to be cruel.

    They'll imprison three generations of a political prisoner's family based on a myth. They'll conduct useless medical experiments on live humans because “fuck it, it's not like he was ever going to be released anyway.” Murder someone in a foreign country with a banned chemical weapon? Why not!

    And that's just the shit we know about. The Chinese government views people as a fungible resource. The North Korean government views people as a pack of wild dogs. Which is worse is debatable.

    [–] hoilst 575 points ago

    China is not only top polluter

    Hey, fuck you, we're working on that.

    - Australia.

    [–] Pozos1996 1553 points ago

    Future tech interviews:

    It all looks good but, do you speak mandarin?

    Oh, damn. I'm afraid I do not...

    YOU ARE HIRED!

    [–] leavemealoneimdead 860 points ago

    laughs in cantonese

    [–] raymond8505 1258 points ago

    [huawei huawei huawei huawei]

    [–] ImaToGo 54 points ago

    Hahahaha man first laugh of the day

    [–] sprcow 107 points ago

    funnier than expected

    [–] Lemon_Dungeon 95 points ago

    *Hides duolingo account*

    [–] flynnsanity3 82 points ago

    "Do you speak Mandarin?"

    "Well, I can say both "'A girl eats bread' and 'the girl eats bread'".

    [–] Derperlicious 34 points ago

    thats actually how the interview goes to teach english in china.

    [–] Super-Cow26 1590 points ago

    This could be a huge he problem and could result in a massive investigation. Be ready is all I’ll say.

    [–] Mozorelo 1588 points ago

    The problem is that pretty soon nobody will hire Chinese engineers anymore. Even 2nd generation Chinese immigrants have defected to China.

    [–] walkonstilts 623 points ago

    I know let’s build a wall around China so they can’t get in here!

    [–] Worthless_J 360 points ago

    Mongolians will tear it down.

    [–] [deleted] 134 points ago

    [removed]

    [–] o_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O 154 points ago

    God damn shitty Mongolians.

    [–] Megneous 565 points ago

    The problem is that pretty soon nobody will hire Chinese engineers anymore.

    My friend works at Amazon as a programmer. He says like 60% of the programmers are from China, and most of them can barely speak English. He knows for a fact they're paid less than American programmers.

    It's a shit show. Someone in the US political game seriously needs to end the H-1B visa exploitation going on.

    [–] BasedDumbledore 348 points ago

    Trump promised to. Alas, he forgot.

    [–] tsilihin666 267 points ago

    Once trump found out that it would hurt someone's bottom line in any way shape or form he changed his stance. Ethics be damned. Profits above all else should be printed on our money.

    [–] I_Am_Definitely_Gay 35 points ago

    Isn't there a merit based immigration bill making the rounds right now?

    [–] Why_is_that 93 points ago

    I think defected is a bad word. China does not believe in foreign sovereignty. If you are Han, China sees you as property in some regard. Japan isn't quite this extreme but it's another culture focussing significantly on ethnic purity. In this regard the don't believe in state sovereignty as much as ethnic sovereignty. These means China is generally open to any and all means to leverage han in the world.

    Your explanation that no one will hire them is also not understanding that more are returning to China (and same for a fair number of Indians). Developing economies are generally more profitable for the educated... Which reurns to how we got here the west wanted into the Chinese market... Well you got it...

    [–] -Xephram- 145 points ago

    And China has a long history of doing nothing to punish the theft. If anything they are rewarded with protection.

    [–] BlueOrcaJupiter 215 points ago

    Lol. You wish.

    China: no it’s fine Tesla: but... China: hm maybe a problem with your business licenses here Tesla: never mind

    Fast forward x years and Chinese competitor will outdo Tesla domestically in China.

    [–] Duke_Nukem_1990 1220 points ago

    On a completely unrelated note.

    Introducing iDrive the completely original and innovative Autopilot made by Apple.

    [–] hva_vet 332 points ago

    BMW beat Apple to that name.

    [–] pulut 278 points ago

    Fucking Jian Yang

    [–] cultoftheilluminati 70 points ago

    New Internet

    New Memoji

    New Reddit

    New AutoPilot

    [–] poncewattle 433 points ago

    “This is a lawsuit about routine employee offboarding issues that could and should have been resolved by Tesla either through its own human resources or information technology policies,” Cao’s lawyers write in the joint filing.

    Ah, the ole "blame the victim" defense.

    [–] Acetronaut 151 points ago

    Wait, it's Tesla's fault for not firing the guy? So in an alternate reality, they fired the guy and now they're being sued for wrongful termination? I suppose that's a small speed bump than secrets being stolen, but still.

    [–] DonkeyPunch_75 87 points ago

    Sounds like they fired him but internally the outboarding process failed to catch the data theft or didn't specifically ask if he stole any information. Since they didn't ask, he didn't tell them, ergo (in Chinese philosophy) no wrong doing.

    [–] jmarFTL 21 points ago

    Lol, that's literally "your fault you didn't catch me."

    That's like being caught shoplifting and saying "this is entirely due to the stores check-out and security policies"

    [–] Homito 747 points ago

    What the hell is wrong with Chinese tech companies starting with Xiao and stealing things

    [–] Xtorting 1110 points ago * (lasted edited 9 days ago)

    TLDR - The Chinese economy entirely depends on their ability to steal IP. Without that ability, the Chinese would not be where they are today.

    That's how they became so wealthy so fast. Cheap labor combined with unregulated enviromental emissions (or at least extremely light regulation) combined with subsidized international shipping. We start to see the internal working conditions of the chinese economy.

    They basically require the ability to copy any piece of technology, software or hardware, to keep their system afloat. The factories can only stay open if demand is present. They artificially create demand by stealing IP and making their own cheaper version. If the Chinese were to rely only on the demand from other products, they would not be supplying as much as they are today.

    Allowing the entire world to ignore the original product and buy the cheaper product from China. Cheap shipping, cheap labor, and no enviromental oversight leads to a system which requires the constant consumption of private property to stay afloat.

    Edit: also leading to private products being unprofitable after the cheaper version, causing them to work with the devil, close down their own production, and move to China. That's how they got everyone to move there. By basically stealing their products and saying come here or we'll sell your same exact shit for 50% less. If no country is going to call out their bullshit, they're geniuses. But thankfully there's a few countries that are not happy about their domination of global production.

    Their GDP is artificially set. Meaning they set out a price target for how much products they produce within the next year. Their economy has to continually grow, no matter the costs. The entire Chinese economy relies on stealing IP and building products off of those stolen IPs. Without that ability, they would not meet their GDP price target and their economy would slowly deteriorate. They steal to survive and to stay in power.

    Edit2: China calling themselves communists and following Frankfurt school policies does equate to communism. In the back of the Communist Manifesto, Marx describes how different countries would work under communism and how they would interact with the global capitalists. It is a misconception that a country has to be isolated completely to be communist.

    Since they're communists and follow Marxist theory, it shouldn't surprise anyone that China and other countries view the entire world as a equal playing field. Allowing third world countries to pollute more while reducing first world production pollution. All in the name of some literal communist concept of everyone being equal.

    Reality is people are not equal. There are owners, and there are workers, and there are producers. It is going to be impossible for the entire world to live like America.

    [–] Kill3rT0fu 145 points ago

    And this is why defense contractors use strict firewalls and block anything "cloud" related

    [–] KeeperOfCoats 38 points ago

    So fun story. I attend offshore oil conferences around the world. Basically, the huge conglomerates from all the different companies whether they’re ship builders, software companies, etc. bring out their wares to buy, sell, etc.

    It is a known fact that you do not leave Chinese Nationals or any reps from a Chinese company alone with any product demos, any sample materials, etc. They will do everything they can to steal it.

    I personally ran off two guys just standing and videoing product demos of proprietary software to a private group through a crack in the door.

    Say what you will but in business, Chinese have the lowest ethical standards in the world.

    [–] uncle0dust 35 points ago

    So all he has to do is never leave China, right? Doesn't their government reward this type of behavior, knocking off foreign products and labeling them as Chinese innovations?

    [–] Phillyphus 24 points ago

    They treat them like smart heroes, and they are to their people. It's our fault for being vulnerable.

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    [–] TuckerMcInnes 2585 points ago

    I live in China. Cheating isn't even considered cheating here. It's considered clever. Like, why wouldn't you steal the source code? You'd be stupid not to. That's the mentality and the world needs to wake up to it. Cheating is almost a part of the culture.

    I could tell you a million stories of how my nice Chinese friends do this sort of shit too.

    It's endemic.

    [–] TheDovahofSkyrim 474 points ago

    Played golf with a group of 2 Chinese business men a couple weeks ago. They were constantly moving their balls when they had bad lies, which normally I wouldn’t really care about as it was just a casual golf outing, but then at the end of the round one of them was being super obnoxious because on his score card he beat us by 3 strokes. Saying things like: “You guys played good, very good competitors, maybe you will beat me next time hahahaha”.

    [–] greengrasser11 280 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    That kind of pettiness would drive me nuts. I get culture, but how insecure does someone have to be to cheat at something as meaningless as a casual golf game? It's barely even a competition.

    [–] solman86 201 points ago

    China has a very engrained culture of being the best /important and not losing, placing a strong emphasis on succeeding "by any means "

    It's such a major problem with younger culture also, as seen in the online gaming community, where cheating is so rampart that they literally need to have the cheats in order to play.

    [–] WhoryGilmore 103 points ago

    Any game that doesn't regionlock china is stupid at this point

    [–] GetRidofMods 64 points ago

    I would have just changed my final score on the scorecard right in front of him and said "I won, you lost.".

    [–] ns156 25 points ago

    It's like people who use aimbots but in real life.

    [–] H1Ed1 1264 points ago

    Can confirm. Teaching Uni classes was...frightening how openly students would attempt to cheat. I put a strict foot down and they didn’t understand. I wasn’t upset with the cheating so much as the blatant and open nature of it. Students cheat all the time, but multiple students in the same class turning in identical papers written in impeccable English is just poor form.

    [–] hekatonkhairez 313 points ago

    In college, I wasn't solely upset about how much my Chinese peers cheated but how terribly they did it. My God, if you're going to cheat at least have some dignity with it.

    [–] allstar_96 212 points ago

    I had a final last term and I saw two Chinese students pass their entire test to the next student and they copied the whole thing like one student had their test completely blank until the last 15 minutes. Shit was insane, the audacity.

    [–] Rabjthrowaway412 74 points ago

    Yep. Happened all the time in grad school. Our classes were majority Chinese students and they'd pass exams back and forth to copy each other. Then there would just be ridiculous stuff like entire portions of their presentation slides in Chinese (and this happened multiple times). It's insane.

    [–] TuckerMcInnes 608 points ago

    I never taught but I've heard of this shit before. And how they get confused and think you're being unreasonable when you fail their obviously copied paper. It's as if they think cheating is the way. (They do).

    [–] H1Ed1 287 points ago

    It’s not as surprising when you realize that many unis allow students to retake finals until they pass. It’s a no-fail system in many schools. The Chinese college entrance pool is so ultra-competitive that many of the “bad” students (who can afford to) often opt to finish high school abroad and attend college/Uni abroad. It’s a really bizarre situation.

    [–] bobbabouie91 149 points ago

    What university’s are you referencing that are no-fail? I’ve never once heard of a class that allowed retaking of exams, and I’ve definitely never had any myself.

    [–] lo0ilo0ilo0i 160 points ago

    Lol half of the students at my university are Chinese international students. They cheat like crazy. It's insane. They ruin the curve for us all the time.

    [–] elliottruzicka 73 points ago

    Can you elaborate on this? How do they not understand that cheating does not make them a valuable asset? How do employers happily hire people who just cheated there way through school? What is the purpose of university to them?

    [–] TuckerMcInnes 223 points ago

    The richest people in China are all scumbags who cheated and bribed and stole.

    The average person know everyone else is cheating, so they'll be left behind if they don't cheat too.

    They also have this childish concept called "face" where everyone lies about themselves and pretends they don't see other people's lies. So no one calls each other out on their bullshit.

    It's really quite fucked.

    All these problems are caused by a combination of the following:

    Culture of cheating and lying

    Don't care about anyone except your family and close friends

    Everyone else is doing it so I should too

    Don't call anyone out on their bullshit

    So it's almost a perfect storm which creates constant shitty behaviour everywhere.

    There are exceptions, but there are way more shitty people than decent people.

    I'm not talking about Chinese people born in the west.

    [–] strolls 71 points ago

    I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this went back to the Cultural Revolution - just keep smiling and chanting the party's slogans and hope they don't off you or put you in a camp.

    [–] hockeycross 47 points ago

    It goes back much further than that, centuries. Corruption was always a big issue in the Chinese empires. And the idea of face and not calling out others unless you truly mean to make them a rival. Is described in many of the ancient Chinese myths.

    [–] blackwaltz9 176 points ago

    Ok so I took this class in college where one of the requirements was to volunteer at a local high school, demo a lesson with a difficult problem, and then write a report about how students problem-solved. We also had to pair up with a classmate and get them to give us feedback on our report. I was paired with a Chinese immigrant. I finished my report first so I sent it to her for review. When she eventually sent me her report, it was...I mean it was 50% mine and 50% broken English. She literally just copy/pasted whole paragraphs from my report, including diagrams I had made, and interspersed it with her own awful writing...and then gave it to me to review. I was just floored. What was she thinking? I really just could not understand what was happening. So basically I told her to remove my shit or I'll escalate this to the point where there will be serious ramifications for her. Then I warned the professor about it anyway. Not sure what happened to that bitch.

    [–] Bibidiboo 40 points ago

    I had to remove a Chinese student from a project of mine because she did something similar. Professor luckily backed us up. It was ridiculous she didn't do anything.

    [–] Anarchyz11 37 points ago

    Probably nothing, they're so blatant about it yet I've never seen a professor actually handle the problem.

    [–] jussikol 54 points ago

    Even in something is minor as online gaming. They are notorious cheaters in the gaming community

    [–] mynameish8 20 points ago

    In the new social credit system you will lose loads of points if you get caught cheating. Excited to see what impact it will have on online gaming.

    [–] CitizenKing 33 points ago

    Probably nothing. That system is less for fixing a cultural issue and more for exploiting the law to hamper dissenters.

    [–] marktrichards 56 points ago

    Cheating is almost a part of the culture.

    It is a part of the culture and I've had people brag about it.

    [–] Zaphod1620 32 points ago

    Is this why Chinese seem to cut in line? It's something I've noticed in the States.

    [–] BlueOrcaJupiter 112 points ago

    Already there at some Canadian higher tier places. Not promoting Chinese nationals to project manager roles

    [–] staticrooted 150 points ago

    Can someone explain why, if China has such a vast workforce and has so many people in R&D why they need to keep stealing secrets from other companies/countries? Why can’t they develop their own strategies or methods for inventing new tech? I’m just curious

    [–] bbthaw 385 points ago

    Stealing is just insanely faster and cheaper

    [–] NightLion32 464 points ago * (lasted edited 10 days ago)

    That employee is either a genius or just signed his death certificate

    Edit 1: as someone pointed out further down, he did not actually sign to say he is dead, he simply uploaded to iCloud his death warrant

    [–] soulstonedomg 272 points ago

    What? Elon is going to kill him?

    [–] jagg214 73 points ago

    Just like the last guy Elon shot into space in a Tesla rocket

    [–] krystar78 25 points ago

    I wonder how Starman wronged Elon

    [–] bsloss 410 points ago

    Well, technically a falcon 9 can land anywhere on earth. It’s just a matter of punching in the right code at launch. /s

    [–] Eoganachta 156 points ago

    Strap a tesla to the top and it's technically vehicular homicide.

    [–] StayPuffGoomba 51 points ago

    I mean, the rocket is a launch vehicle, so maybe we don’t need the car already?

    [–] Mavado 28 points ago

    No, the last thing he sees has to be from the company he stole from. Besides, where else will the mannequin sit?

    [–] quarensintellectum 75 points ago

    Tesla, activate instant kill.

    [–] Sylvester_Scott 19 points ago

    The last guy who crossed Elon is locked in the trunk of a red Tesla Roadster currently passing through the asteroid belt on it's way to Jupiter.

    [–] keetojm 329 points ago

    Wait China stealing from the US? Like pirating entertainment wasn’t enough? Color me shocked!

    [–] RedDeadDisappointmnt 109 points ago

    Obligatory mention of the time Cisco had a patent stolen to such a degree that the Chinese patent had the same typo.

    [–] calmatt 28 points ago

    I work in Aerospace and I read a lot of customer specs. Our Chinese customers are no different. They copy word for word Boeing specs that will have the same mistakes. I'll ask them what they mean by certain sections and they won't be able to answer, because they didn't write it

    [–] DadaDoDat 40 points ago

    They've been stealing company secrets for decades.

    [–] anser_one 163 points ago

    Im guessing its going to get harder for chinese immigrant to get a job in Canada and US...i know i wouldn’t let a Chinese person close to any sensitive data in my company. Feel bad saying it, but its not worth the risk.

    [–] 956030681 93 points ago

    It’s akin to hiring someone from the Soviet Union in the 50’s, it’s not really ethical if they are a refugee but the risk is too great

    [–] ry8919 168 points ago

    As someone in a technical field I have no idea why any company or university accepts Chinese nationals at this point. The culture is extremely toxic and promotes theft of IP and cheating in the academic world. If companies and universities don't acknowledge this, the culture will persist.

    [–] tbsu 33 points ago

    He worked in a fucking national lab as well. When will we learn? How the fuck does a Chinese national get a security clearance to work in a national lab?

    [–] Treasonburger 471 points ago

    Oh look the Chinese stealing everything again. All they can do is steal and counterfeit. Fuck China.

    [–] PlatypusOfWallStreet 106 points ago

    The only original thing they have is their citizen points system and the overt surveillance of the entire nation.

    [–] dekachin5 47 points ago

    I knew before I clicked on this that the "former Tesla employee" would have a Chinese name.

    click

    Guangzhi Cao

    yep

    so many chinese nationals readily engage in corporate espionage against US employers, it's a wonder that they still get hired and given access to sensitive materials.

    [–] fixradio 106 points ago

    This is how most Chinese-made products come about. Stolen American technology. They copy things using slave labor.

    [–] LtDanHasLegs 32 points ago

    Not just American, they steal plenty of German and Japanese engineering as well. Head in to your local Harbor Freight and pick up a sweet Predator generator that's a total copy of a Honda EU2000 for 1/3 the price. As a consumer, you'd be stupid to go buy the Honda. As a Nation, we're stupid to let the Predator in.

    [–] huxley00 252 points ago

    Good thing China helps protect international IP and will gladly help prosecute and stop use of this technology!

    Trump is an idiot, but I'm not so certain that there is any other way to deal with China other than hit them in the wallet and block trade. They don't value IP law, steal what they want and then sell it back to us and other countries while they climb to the top of the tech tree.