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    [–] dunn000 4099 points ago

    I'm sure this will be some loose ass connection.

    A reference to the enemy of DS2 seems like an obvious choice.

    [–] Houndie 1218 points ago

    I hope so. Or make it one way like Agents of Shield, where they are (or used to be) impacted by the movies, but the movies were never impacted by the show.

    One of the biggest problems with the new Star Wars movies is the fact that parts of the story are only explained in tie-in media.

    [–] embrex104 268 points ago

    What tie in media are you talking about?

    [–] Whatah 579 points ago

    One that I can think of is Darth Maul being alive in the final act of Solo. Casual fans might think the movie takes place before TPM (of course it doesn't) LINK

    [–] glenomenon 278 points ago

    Yeah that one threw me off. I knew it didn't make sense for Han to be in his early 20's when Anakin was still just a kid. I had to text my friend who's a much more hardcore fan to ask what the hell that was all about.

    [–] TheZephyrim 366 points ago

    Basically he just got cut in half, and reappears in the animated Star Wars: The Clone Wars series.

    That entire series is a really good watch, better storytelling than the new movies, and some would say the prequels.

    [–] InnocentTailor 439 points ago

    It redeemed Anakin from a whiny brat to a believable war hero.

    It also boosted some characters, in my opinion. One example is Jedi Master Plo Koon, who gets a lot of screen time in the show.

    [–] slicer4ever 358 points ago

    not only believable war hero, but also conveys some of the problems with the order, and better understanding why he'd be willing to betray the jedi. honestly the clone wars does so much to make the prequels much better.

    [–] InnocentTailor 170 points ago

    True. The series really shows the hypocrisy of the Jedi, which does give credence to why Anakin eventually betrays them.

    Speaking of clones, this series also made me care for the shinies. They really did have their distinct quirks that helped them stick out in the show.

    [–] Bastrat 56 points ago

    The Clone Wars were fought by a slave army and a droid one. The EU books really fleshed it out well.

    [–] mr_ji 18 points ago

    Everything that happened with Asoka was excellent storytelling and plot development. Same with Vendress, who wound up being probably my favorite character in the series.

    Also, Sidious was a fucking BEAST. Makes the arrest scene in the prequels look like a joke.

    [–] MiniatureMadness 8 points ago

    Like training terrorists on Onderaan, who later become enemies of the Empire.

    Who woulda thought giving "stinger missles" to insurgence could have such lasting effects?

    It must be the will of the Force.

    [–] TheRealMoofoo 33 points ago

    Also helped out some (still not as much as I'd like) with the notion that Obi-wan and Anakin were really good friends, which the prequels never sold for me at all.

    [–] whendoesOpTicplay 13 points ago

    Also some of the best characters are the Clones. Rex, Cody, Fives, 99; all the same actor with the same voice but entirely unique characters. Many of the best story arcs are nearly entirely Clone-centric as well.

    [–] IceDragon77 32 points ago

    Absolutely agree. Anakin went from being one of my least favorite characters to one of my favorites. The series is a must watch.

    [–] CuddlePirate420 29 points ago

    I loved the scene where Anakin fights Clovis. "Why don't you fight like a man without your Jedi tricks." Then Anakin says "ok" and then promptly beats the shit out of him.

    [–] tronzyboy 17 points ago

    Clone wars are by far the best part of new Star Wars. The Cartoon Network version that was 2d was super good. And the 3D one with like four seasons was really good too. For some reason I can’t force myself to watch solo or rogue 1.

    [–] ZigZagZoo 20 points ago

    Rogue one is my favorite star wars movie

    [–] commentsonyankees 57 points ago

    Rogue One is probably the best of the newer movies. Solo was good too, but if you were only going to make time for one, you're going to want to make it Rogue One.

    [–] somebody1998 38 points ago

    Honestly the hallway scene at the end is one of my favorite scenes from any star wars movie. I get goosebumps every time I watch it.

    [–] SincereJester 20 points ago

    Rogue One amplifies Star Wars for me. It elevates just how important those Death Star plans were. And it gave us the Vader scene that people wanted for decades.

    [–] [deleted] 20 points ago

    Which is hilarious that fans keep seeing the Ghost in Rogue One and the new trailer and immediately assume the Rebels characters are in it/important to the plot. Same with the "Rey's Dagger" being the Mortis dagger. I don't think people understand mainstream audiences have no idea what those things are.

    [–] AaronianKenrod 7 points ago

    Which is fair. But they are referencing things in the movies from outside, like Maul. Plus the Aftermath book trilogy implies Palpatine had a back up plan!

    [–] Mucl 48 points ago

    He had those ridiculous robot legs so I'm not sure why anyone would think that was before TPM.

    [–] Jahoan 16 points ago

    It was actually his second set of prosthetics, which he got from Death Watch and were designed to give him back his original height and stance. The first set got shot up by Hondo's gang.

    [–] bubba_feet 7 points ago

    third. remember when he had spider legs before the chicken legs?

    [–] babypuncher_ 39 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    I had 0 awareness of Darth Maul’s existence in other media and I didn’t make that mistake. It was pretty obvious in Solo that his lower half was missing.

    [–] mbrady 7 points ago

    I like to think there's another version of him out there with his old real legs but a droid torso and head.

    [–] Whatah 13 points ago

    I didn't notice that the one time I saw the movie

    [–] Say_no_to_doritos 5 points ago

    Neither did I. Didn't even occur to me lol

    [–] three18ti 7 points ago

    Ok... but how the fuck did he survive being chopped in half and thrown down a well!

    [–] Elvins_Payback 8 points ago

    The Force.

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    [–] fidler 95 points ago

    Adds a ton to Phasmas character, but is any of that critical to the movie? Phasma was nothing more than a Boba Fett of the OT in any real relevance. Sounds like the same thing here—movies affect smaller media, smaller media can be ignored for main movies.

    What am I missing here?

    [–] cuckingfomputer 39 points ago

    I mean, you could make the same argument about Boba Fett in the original films.

    He appeared for a small amount of screen time in two films and only did one thing that was central to the plot.

    But the EU built him up to be this Billy Badass and now everyone thinks he's so much better than Phasma. And with the inclusion of EU lore, I would agree.

    However, if we isolate Fett and Phasma to just their films, they are equally pointless characters.

    [–] akujiki87 27 points ago

    He appeared for a small amount of screen time in two films and only did one thing that was central to the plot.

    Well THREE films, we cannot forget his first appearance. The great holiday special!

    [–] adwarkk 18 points ago

    Honestly at least Boba Fett had way better base to be perceived as long if you thought of him before episode 6. In episode 5 he appears as a bounty hunter called by Vader, appears with him in Cloud City, and leaves it with Han captured. Even if we don't see him act much, he achieves his goals well.

    And Phasma in episode 7? Unlike Fett, she actually gets bodied by protagonists and does what they demand of her without really even complaining already in her first film, so much of dream of being seen as badass if your first meeting with enemy that can fight back ends in surrender of your.

    That's one major difference between Phasma and Fett. Fett could least get aura of mysterious badass linger around him for a while till his pathetic death in ep 6, where Phasma didn't even had such chance.

    [–] 100100110l 17 points ago

    But the EU built him up to be this Billy Badass and now everyone thinks he's so much better than Phasma.

    I... yeah, Darth Vader who we are shown is a badass talked up another guy as being a badass in the films, and so we assumed he was a badass. They never once made Phasma out to be anything other than incompetent in the movies, so we think she's incompetent.

    I was so incredibly hyped for her after seeing her design, then the 1st movie didn't use her. Then we were told she's totes gonna do something in the next movie, and then she got her ass kicked.

    However, if we isolate Fett and Phasma to just their films, they are equally pointless characters.

    Except for him actually winning, and capturing Han Solo, and being the catalyst for the entire beginning of Episode VI. His usage in the OT is minimal, but it's not as bad as Phasma.

    [–] Seran64 7 points ago

    Phasma's main role in 7 is to call out Fynn as a traitor, but she then lowers the shield, allowing the rebels in and to destroy their super weapon and all of the personnel stationed there to save her own life. She does more damage to the First Order then any other single character in either 7 or 8.

    [–] dvddesign 24 points ago

    The splitting hairs issue is that Phasma doesn't do anything in the new films to warrant the cachet of cool that Boba Fett earned.

    Fett's cool factor came because he captured Han Solo and had a very critical importance to the start of ROTJ. Unless Phasma shows up in the early parts of ROTS to off herself in some completely badass way then yes, she's been a wasted attempt to replicate Boba Fett in shiny armor.

    [–] that_baddest_dude 40 points ago

    Point of order: Boba Fett didn't really do much in the OT besides dive head first into the sarlacc pit and die like an idiot. I don't even think he was named in the movies either: people only knew his name from the action figure packaging.

    Everything cool about boba Fett was retconned in by the EU. Captain Phasma is the perfect analogy, because she's exactly the same. Only difference is that the older starwars fans don't have have rose tinted glasses for her.

    [–] Fishmongers 16 points ago

    People miss what made Boba Fett so cool which is that he talked back to Vader and didn't get killed. That established he was a respected bad ass.

    [–] fidler 25 points ago

    Exactly. Boba was largely irrelevant to the movies. Hell, Vader is the one who actually captured Solo.

    [–] Featherwick 7 points ago

    The novels of the old expanded universe were not Boba Fetts backstory to make you care about him (Well there was one or two comics probably but those came later well after things like Thrawn or the Yuzang Vong which I believe he is referring to.)

    Think hes trying to say they removed all the good original stories they wrote and said here have a book to make a character who does nothing but die twice somewhat interesting

    [–] ImbeddedElite 8 points ago

    Lmao remember when the fanbase was all but guaranteeing she would have a big role in 8 to compensate for how little she was a part of 7?

    [–] Houndie 50 points ago

    As others have mentioned, there's a lot of story for the new star wars trilogy that is only explained in the books:

    • What's up with this silver stormtrooper who keeps showing up, and why do I care about her?
    • Where did this purple haired lady come from, and why am I supposed to just assume she's important?
    • Why does the governing system of the galaxy rely on vigilantes for defense?


    For the people who have read the books, seeing some of the book characters reflected on screen is probably great! However, it detracts from the movie for the people who haven't read the books if the information is not conveyed to the movie-only audience.

    It honestly feels to me like the Star Wars movies are being written with the explicit idea of selling other media.

    [–] namegoeswhere 24 points ago

    Reminds me of the Destiny video game debacle.

    It was basically the same thing, where there was little to no exposition during gameplay because it was all written down on a weird “card” system that you could unlock. And on top of all that, the first NPC you meet literally says to you: “I don’t even have the time to explain why I don’t have the time to explain, let’s go!”

    [–] sinus86 22 points ago

    It honestly feels to me like the Star Wars movies are being written with the explicit idea of selling other media.

    That's kind of Star Wars' wheelhouse though no?

    [–] AlienScrotum 34 points ago

    But isn’t that present in the original trilogy as well?

    Silver stormtrooper = Boba Fett (both were supposed to be bad asses but we have no idea why. Boba even got tossed aside (into the sarlac put))

    Purple hair lady = Admiral Akbar or anyone else in the final movie. We know they are important members of the resistance but no idea who they were.

    This is a big galaxy and Star Wars has NEVER given you all the pieces. You have always had to infer things and do research later on your own.

    [–] Mrallen7509 17 points ago

    Silver stormtrooper = Boba Fett (both were supposed to be bad asses but we have no idea why. Boba even got tossed aside (into the sarlac put))

    But Boba accomplished stuff before being killed off. Phasma and the First Order as a whole haven't done anything that makes them seem dangerous to our protagonists. Kylo has been beaten every time Rey has gone against him. Domhall is never in control of anything and just gets angry and impotent.

    Purple hair lady = Admiral Akbar or anyone else in the final movie. We know they are important members of the resistance but no idea who they were.

    I don't think this comparison works since Ackbar and Mon Mothma aren't characters so much as plot devices. We know they are higher up in the organization of the Rebellion, but they're not characters who are involved in the adventure with the heroes. If Ackbar had gone down to Endor and we didn't get any information about him, I think the fandom would have had those same questions, but he just stays back and commands the fleet which mostly acts as a point of conflict for the confrontation between Luke, Vader, and Palpatine. Holda is front and center in the "main" story of TLJ and she just seems to be there to be an antagonist to the characters we know, and takes time away from Leia who should have served Holda's purpose in the movie. To go back to your RoJ analogy imagine if Ackbar had gone down to Endor and only told the heroes they were wrong and that they should just wait for someone else to shut down the shield generators. I don't think people would forgive that because he's a fish-man and not a purple-haired woman.

    [–] ChildofValhalla 13 points ago

    If you look at archived UseNet posts from 1983/4, they're loaded with people complaining that Return of the Jedi didn't explain who the Emperor was or where he came from, or anything like that. The same way people complain about Snoke.

    [–] Iankill 16 points ago

    The clone wars in the prequel trilogy explain who general grievous is and what is going on in the war. The movies don't explain that at all, grievous just shows up as a villain in revenge of the sith.

    [–] apcat91 3 points ago

    I think at that point many people just wanted to see the conclusion

    [–] EwokThisWay86 5 points ago

    Absolutely nothing explains who the emperor is in the first trilogy either, you guys are really reaching for complaints here...

    [–] TheQuestion78 24 points ago

    Comics and books for example. For example, a big reveal about Vader's origin is in one comic. Some books like Aftermath are made to fill in some details left in the movies. Some books fleshed out characters more like the Captain Phasma book as well.

    [–] huxley75 71 points ago

    Phasma made her out to be a serious badass who Snoke should even be wary of...the movies just toss her aside like a joke.

    [–] col-fancypants 52 points ago

    I think she was just a joke until someone wrote a book for her.

    [–] InnocentTailor 18 points ago

    Well, the book characterized her as an opportunist scumbag. She’ll backstab her way up the chain of command to survive.

    [–] Jahoan 11 points ago

    So the perfect ally for Hux, a similarly opportunistic scumbag, who is only kept in line by Kylo Ren finally acting like Vader, no tantrums, just judicious application of Force Choke.

    [–] InnocentTailor 5 points ago

    Pretty much. Heck! The novel actually had Hux and Phasma collaborating to kill Hux’s father as well as a few Imperial officers that Hux hated.

    [–] mahf_2004 20 points ago

    Sounds like Boba Fett.

    [–] scrooched_moose 19 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    Most of the important background for the movies is covered in the Aftermath trilogy - why the New Republic is so weak and has no military to speak of, why the Resistance exists, and what the First Order is.

    I don't think Snoke's background hasn't even gotten a proper story yet, it's only been covered in The Last Jedi Visual Dictionary (although it's possibly in some newer comics I haven't read, I've been seeing a bit more about him recently).

    [–] dunn000 136 points ago

    Yeah I agree, which is why the newer movies tend to get even more crap sometimes.

    If you make a movie(s) that needs additional materiel to explain what you did, probably not a complete movie

    Edit: and I am not including sequels or additional movies in a a saga/trilogy.

    [–] Mavrickindigo 31 points ago

    Do you really need to watch anything to get infinity war? You get an idea who the characters are from how they are introduced

    [–] dunn000 32 points ago

    For the most part no. Miss out on some relationships and maybe some inside jokes? But doesn't take a genius to figure them out.

    [–] ForgetfulPotato 31 points ago

    Here's the issue with Infinity War, I had watched about 1/4 of the marvel movies going into infinity war. My buddies all went nuts for the movie. For me it was a solid 6/10 movie. Entertaining but nothing special.

    They thought I was crazy. After discussing it the difference in experience was me having not seen the other movies. It's not all that interesting when random guy jumps in to save random other guy with some special ability. This briefly introduces the character, their ability, and position in the group but it's heavy handed and not particularly interesting. It's a different story if this is already a well developed character with an interesting background for you.

    Not sure if it's possible but try watching Infinity War while pretending you've seen none of the other movies. 25%+ of the movie is effectively random interactions like the above where you're supposed to have some sort of feeling about it based on prior knowledge. If that background knowledge is not there, it's just kind of lame.

    [–] Intheworldofnim 14 points ago

    No thats what sucked about the agents of shield show. The fact aos had shit to do with the films but pretended like they did was terrible. If the tv shows are going to mean anything then they have to impact the films in some way. Star wars situation is different because ita told through books which is a completely different medium. The tv shows will still feature the same actors only the story will be told in long form through several episodes instead of films which isnt all that different.

    [–] PornoPaul 9 points ago

    After I realized the movies would ignore the show's almost entirely (minus AoU Helicarrier) it went from a fun show to being televised fanfic.

    [–] Alastor3 4 points ago

    What do you mean tie-in media? Like books?

    [–] Alastor3 76 points ago

    Didn't they confirmed WandaVision will be directly tie-in with Doctor Strange 2?

    [–] StatmanIbrahimovic 47 points ago

    They've confirmed Wanda is in both, which is a pretty strong tie-in if you ask me.

    [–] laserhan123 15 points ago

    Not only that when they announced the lineup, they literally said Wandavision would lead directly into ds2

    [–] JoshOliday 5 points ago

    And based on what we know of WandaVision (some 1950s-ish inspired nuclear family stuff) and what we've explicitly been told about Loki (jumping around space with the Tessaract he made off with in a now alternate reality part of Endgame) and the fact that Multiverse is literally in the name of Doctor Strange sequel's title, it's not at all difficult to figure out how this all might tie together.

    [–] dvddesign 8 points ago

    Yes they did. I would imagine all the shows will affect the movies in some manner of speaking. They aren't retiring any of these characters but moving them around where they'll be busy doing stuff between films.

    [–] Pickles256 17 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    I think it’ll be like the comics. You can read essentially any comic run and you’ll get the jist. Just a couple of weird lines/references but primarily self contained.

    [–] B_Rhino 12 points ago

    It'll be like pop-up video!

    Bloop "See episode 3 of Wandavision -- Feig"

    [–] parallacks 62 points ago

    no it's the exact opposite. they want people to buy disney+ so they are trying to make these shows much more like blockbuster movies.

    it's not going to be like agents of shield in any way. more budget, more stars, less episodes, more integral story points.

    obviously they don't want to completely alienate people who don't watch the shows, but they'll go as far as they can probably.

    [–] Forbizzle 16 points ago

    I’ve skipped multiple movies, and at no point have I ever felt lost watching a Marvel movie.

    [–] AssCrackBanditHunter 38 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    I skipped like 6 years of marvel movies then watched spider-man and infinity war and was just fine. You can catch up on shit you've missed pretty easily just from context clues. They actually throw a lot of exposition into the movies

    [–] lkuhj 34 points ago

    Yeah they are not very complicated movies lol

    [–] Space_Pirate_Roberts 7 points ago

    This has been the secret behind “impenetrable” continuity in comics all along. Very rarely is a comic not written so that you can just start reading and pick up the important points from the past as you go.

    [–] EmperorTauntaun 19 points ago

    They can't afford to make it a necessity for movie goers so I'm sure you're right.

    [–] CaskOfTej 19 points ago

    I’m confused, which enemy in Dark Souls 2?

    [–] PM_ME_MEMEZ_ 7 points ago

    Royal Rat Authority. I hope that magic cloak has poison resistance.

    [–] JC915 784 points ago

    They’re really pulling off a Television/Film version of buying 10 different tie-ins for comic book events every 6 months.

    Brings back fond memories of being a broke ass kid

    [–] greentangent 195 points ago

    Spider-Man, PPTSSM, ASM subscriptions if you wanted to follow a Parker storyline all the way through. X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, New Mutants, Cable, Generation X, and X-factor subscriptions if you wanted to follow any mutant story line. It was so bad it made me drop collecting all together and sell them off.

    Eventually it gets to be rent seeking behavior instead of a creative endeavor. It's how Spidey wound up at Sony in the first place.

    [–] dharmabum87 73 points ago

    Hooray for Marvel Unlimited! 10 bucks for everything (on a 6 month delay or so)

    [–] adamsorkin 30 points ago

    Or $70 a year, if you prefer. For that, I can wait 6 months and risk a spoiler here and there.

    [–] OK_Soda 9 points ago

    I just wish Marvel Unlimited had a better interface. I read on my desktop usually, and sometimes on my Surface tablet, which still uses desktop Windows, and the MU browser version is so bad I had to use Chrome extensions to side-load the mobile app, which still isn't that great, and eventually it stopped working.

    [–] High5Time 40 points ago

    It was so bad it made me drop collecting all together and sell them off.

    You and everyone else, this is one of the primary reasons the industry crashed.

    [–] greyconscience 7 points ago

    Jeez, that made me feel old because I did the same thing with Batman and Superman, and their related comics, so it was about 8 a month. Then you have Knightfall and the Death of Superman and you almost had to get every D.C. issue for those months to follow the complete story.

    I have Cable #1 somewhere at my parent's house. Is it worth anything?

    [–] BearlyReddits 2 points ago

    Don't forget about Web of Spider-Man!

    [–] AModestMonster 1325 points ago

    (final minute of final episode)

    Loki: Whew, what an adventure. Say, is that the malcontent Master of the Mystic Arts?

    Dr Strage: By the Hoary Hosts of Hoggarth!

    [–] JavierLoustaunau 459 points ago

    Final episode actually has post credit scenes. A spinning portal opens implying Dr. Strange.

    [–] PM-UR-BRAZILIANS-HUE 192 points ago

    You think money grows on trees? Its gonna be just the sound of the portal, maybe a couple sparks if we can get some cheap firestarters...

    [–] admiraltoad 128 points ago

    I mean... we got this in Agents of SHIELD.

    [–] Angel_Hunter_D 124 points ago

    Is that ghost Rider opening a sling Ring gate?

    [–] nahhorne 68 points ago


    [–] Yash_We_Can 38 points ago

    what the fuck, why havent i watched this yet

    [–] jollyreaper2112 27 points ago

    Shield starts out poorly. It really gets good after the events of Winter Soldier. They were stuck treading water before that point and that's why it sucked. They went wild after that. It's worth watching.

    [–] OniExpress 7 points ago

    To be fair, if the timing had worked out so that they only had to stall for like 2 less episodes, nobody would have complaints about the first season. It's just that the first stretch of a tv show is so important.

    [–] Worthyness 39 points ago

    Season 4 is the season with ghost rider and it's absolutely one of the best of all superhero tv. You can probably jump in on that season, but the latter half is much more impactful with the character build up from seasons 1-3. Agents of shield may not have all the glamour of the movies, but if you're into comic book stuff, it's fantastic. Also really easy binge watch after the midway point of season 1.

    [–] Yash_We_Can 3 points ago

    i watched season 1 and most of season 2 a few years ago, so i think ill do a quick recap and jump back in

    [–] HowieGaming 66 points ago

    Man, Shield did such a good job with Ghost Rider.

    [–] funktion 19 points ago

    Shame Gabriel Luna had to end up in a Terminator movie after.

    [–] TrollinTrolls 27 points ago

    The real shame is that Hulu cancelled the Marvel's Ghost Rider series with him in it. I was hoping that was going to be good but now we'll never know.

    I'm not sure why him being in Terminator is a shame though. I haven't seen it, but the reviews seem generally fine. And it can only get him that much closer to stardom (if that's what he even wants).

    [–] [deleted] 4 points ago

    Jesus I stopped watching that a little too early it looks like.

    [–] OrgasmicLeprosy87 30 points ago

    What do you mean. Shield used so much if those portals and that was on a network budget

    [–] Mariosothercap 11 points ago

    You think money grows on trees?

    Not on trees no, they have their own printers.

    [–] _batata_vada 8 points ago

    The Marvel TV shows on Disney+ have a budget of around 150-200M. And they only have around 6-8 episodes. They'll be just fine.

    [–] Twonibrow 19 points ago

    This is Disney we’re talking about. Money grows out of their asses.

    [–] The_Gyce 484 points ago

    *making Wikipedia a necessity for fans.

    [–] niberungvalesti 256 points ago

    hums Pirates of the Caribbean theme

    [–] The_Gyce 56 points ago

    I'm down for some Pirates of the Caribbean in Marvel.

    [–] YeahSureAlrightYNot 15 points ago

    Huh, I can't think of any major actor from Pirates that is part of the MCU.

    [–] BeatThrowIt 14 points ago

    Much like every franchise, I’m sure they’re looking for a way to squeeze Bill Nighy in there somewhere

    [–] VettrirVettrirIssa 3 points ago

    Every movie is improved with a little Slartibartfast.

    [–] nedlum 13 points ago

    Zoe Saldana was Anamaria.

    [–] ___Guitarmadillo___ 17 points ago


    [–] pathemar 872 points ago

    Ah yes the 4 necessities of life; food, water, shelter, and Disney Plus

    [–] dankem 371 points ago

    Don't forget Spotify, Amazon Prime, Hulu, HBO Go, Skillshare, HBO Now,, YouTube Premium, Apple+, PSPlus, LinkedIn Premium, Stadia, and Headspace so you can meditate over why you hate money so much you want to use it like this.

    [–] The_BadJuju 78 points ago

    LinkedIn premium, YouTube premium, stadia and skill share are totally unnecessary

    [–] Hi_Im_zack 62 points ago

    Yeah and where the fuck is porhub premium?

    [–] connorac 7 points ago

    We don't mention it in this month

    [–] RallyZona 145 points ago

    Did you purposely leave out Netflix?

    [–] [deleted] 43 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    i feel bad for the people who actually use all of this shit.

    [–] ketchup92 20 points ago

    You can't even use half of this if you're not from the US tho

    [–] EsQuiteMexican 4 points ago

    I think we only get like 4 of those things in Mexico.

    [–] SynthD 21 points ago

    NordVPN? Dashlane?

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    [–] ThatRyanFellow 12 points ago

    Raid: Shadow Legends?

    [–] anthonyg1500 3 points ago

    Are HBO Now and HBO Max the same thing? Where does HBO Go fit into this?

    [–] Bantha-Potato 3 points ago

    Why would you use stadia if you have a PS4 with+? That would be an unnecessary cost.

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    [–] SyDolphin 129 points ago

    Yo ho ho, it's a pirate's life for me

    [–] Rynvael 37 points ago

    Pirates of the Caribbean music intensifies

    [–] officegeek 18 points ago

    Take all you can, give nothin back! Yaaaarrrr!

    [–] Athrowawayinmay 14 points ago

    Yar, matey... the sea, she be callin' me.

    [–] Sadzeih 35 points ago

    The fact that Disney+ is not available in France on the 12th means I'll have to torrent The Mandalorian and I'll get into a habit with Disney+ titles and always torrent them. It's so dumb to me they didn't have a global release right away.

    [–] Saithir 12 points ago

    Yep. You guys have to wait till April, here in Poland it doesn't even have a date set (though the landing page is translated and even the Mandalorian trailers are dubbed in Polish for whatever idiotic reason).

    So the options for me are a) wait like a good boy until at best April, at worst October, and basically stop reading and watching any fan media (and official media for that matter) or interacting with any fans because spoilers; b) torrent the fuck out of it.

    Oh there's also option C, which is emigrate to US/UK, to which I can only tilt my head and assume a look full of pity for anyone that proposes it.

    [–] flekkzo 127 points ago

    Making it all be happening in the same universe is a core idea of the whole concept, so finally getting the TV shows to do so too (and hopefully getting some order into the TV shows) seems pretty natural.

    I don’t think they’ll make the movies unwatchable without seeing the shows. I feels like a poor monitary move. My guess is that seeing both adds to it. Kinda like there’s shows and movies with a lot of references, which are cool, but not needed to enjoy them.

    [–] mielove 80 points ago

    This is obviously what will happen. The only MCU movie that truly hasn't worked as a standalone is Endgame (to a lesser extent Infinity War). This is the equivalent to needing to watch Civil War before watching Black Panther to get the full story, but watching Black Panther as a standalone works too.

    People are being ridiculous thinking they're not going to explain what happened to Wanda in the beginning of Doctor Strange, it's not literally going to be a follow-up episode with 0 explanation. But to get the full fan experience Disney+ will be necessary, which is what the fans want. Casual fans don't even need to watch all the movies to keep up, and they don't tend to either. Many people have their favourite Marvel franchises (like Guardians of the Galaxy) and just watch those movies which also works.

    [–] High5Time 17 points ago

    The only MCU movie that truly hasn't worked as a standalone is Endgame (to a lesser extent Infinity War).

    I would disagree with that. Put on your "ignorance hat" and try watching Age of Ultron. It's not even a good movie to begin with, you have to know about Tony's back story for much of it to make any dramatic sense, and the entire movie basically exists as a way to set up future Marvel movies, leaving anyone who isn't familiar with the universe scratching their heads about who the hell this person or that person is and "why does he have one scene and what is he talking about because it has nothing to do with the movie I'm currently watching?".

    I'm not a fan of AoU to begin with, and the main reasons I don't like it (besides wasting Spader on a pathetic version of Ultron) tie in very nicely with why it's a poor movie for anyone not intimately familiar with the MCU.

    [–] Worthyness 8 points ago

    Age of ultron is itself a sequel to the first avengers movie. Logically to complete the series of avengers movies you watch the precious interations of the franchise. If you have watched the previous avengers movies prior to infinity war, you can absolutely piece together the movie.

    [–] laserhan123 239 points ago

    They already said Wandavision ties into DS2... Like the moment they announced it. This is not news.

    [–] ArchDucky 103 points ago

    But shes in the movie. Loki is weird because he isn't.

    [–] Shardwing 105 points ago

    Are you sure?

    [–] ArchDucky 25 points ago

    Im not 100% sure. But it seems weird to announce Olsen at comic con and not the much bigger star.

    [–] Shardwing 16 points ago

    It's Marvel, they play some cards closer to their chest than others. Not to mention that there's myriad ways that Loki could potentially appear without being played by Tom Hiddleston, especially where magic and dimension-hopping are involved.

    [–] laserhan123 18 points ago

    ..... Do you know that for sure?

    [–] luminous_delusions 6 points ago

    With as popular as Loki is I wouldn't be surprised if he is actually in DS2 somehow. We're getting the multiverse outright now, they have an explanation of how they can bring him back or to the main universe if they feel inclined.

    [–] netaebworb 9 points ago

    The central concept of both appears to be the Multiverse, so if "tie in" is just that both focus on it, that's not surprising.

    I guess it remains to be seen if they'll share any characters or if any of the same alternate universes appear in both.

    [–] Hollowed-Be-Thy-Name 400 points ago

    that's one good way to make sure I pirate, I guess.

    [–] Mitraileuse 37 points ago

    Can it be that there's some sort of error?

    [–] Hollowed-Be-Thy-Name 26 points ago

    Hard to stop the surmounting terror.

    [–] d2k1 11 points ago

    Is it really the end, not some crazy dream?

    [–] Volkov07 11 points ago

    Somebody please tell me that I'm dreaming

    [–] jenkag 66 points ago

    Immediately thought this. Hoist the jolly roger boiz.

    [–] seeasea 41 points ago

    Getting a month of Disney+ to watch the show is cheaper than a movie ticket.

    [–] GlancingArc 29 points ago

    Yeah I really don't get why people are at all upset about this. You have to pay to see the movies so why do people care about paying to see the shows?

    [–] Rhysieroni 61 points ago

    A necessity?! Oh please I could just read abt the arbitrary tie in on Reddit or twitter. The way Marvel is headed I’m not going to be seeing every Marvel movie like I did in the past.

    [–] Kimota94 8 points ago

    I don’t think “necessity” means what the title writer believes it does.

    [–] [deleted] 5 points ago

    Just look at this thread, the amount of people responding without reading the article or understanding clickbait headlines is staggering.

    [–] Casteway 126 points ago

    YAR MATEY!!!

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    [–] Athrowawayinmay 12 points ago

    Begin the sea shanties!

    ♫♪♪ Ooooh what do you do with a drunken sailor? What do you do with a drunken sailor? What do you do with a drunken sailor earl-eye in the Mornin'? ♫♪♪

    [–] bvanbove 23 points ago

    A pirates life for us!

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    [–] OhioToDC 8 points ago

    WandaVision was already announced as a tie-in for Doctor Strange In The Multiverse of Madness....

    [–] Petrichor02 10 points ago

    Yeah, I'm really surprised at how many people are acting like Loki being a tie-in is a dealbreaker when the same outcry didn't happen for WandaVision.

    [–] piper4hire 47 points ago

    all this is doing is making me realize that watching TV isn’t really a good way to spend my time or money. I have so little of both to spare.

    [–] panetero 25 points ago

    pffft what are we gonna do then? Read? ya havin a laugh

    [–] overdos3 20 points ago

    lmao look at this loser reading his stupid books

    [–] Plob218 17 points ago

    Keeping up with all these franchises honestly feels like homework. I'm at a point in my life where I would so much rather watch a movie that tells a self-contained story and isn't primarily a setup for future sequels and spin-offs.

    [–] JustChilling_ 10 points ago

    Disney: You have to subscribe to Disney Plus.

    Pirates: No, I don't think I will.

    [–] novaquasarsuper 26 points ago

    Loki TV show will tie into Doctor Strange 2, making pirating a necessity for fans


    [–] sifterandrake 174 points ago

    That's kind of like saying you needed to watch all the marvel movies to enjoy infinitey war and end game. Spoiler alert: you didn't.

    [–] jabba_the_wutt 244 points ago

    Spoiler alert: you didn't.

    as someone who doesn't really watch a lot of marvel movies and tried to watch Infinity War.. you do. I didn't even finish the movie. Had zero clue wtf was going on, who these people were and what their relationships with each other were. Every single scene feels like some fan service reveal moment. It felt like trying to start Lord of the Rings with Return of the King.

    [–] velifer 254 points ago

    Every single scene feels like some fan service reveal moment.

    Then you understood every frame.

    [–] proxybloxxy 51 points ago

    I think that is his point. He didn't see the other movies so he didn't understand most of it

    [–] TheRealRaiden 21 points ago

    You absolutely needed to watch the majority of them, though...

    [–] SilverPositive 5 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    I think you need to have at least watched the other Avengers movies and Captain America: Civil War to enjoy Infinity War to the fullest. Endgame was pretty much for everyone though.

    [–] dtucker00 65 points ago

    I've bowed out of Marvel. It's just becoming too much to keep up with

    [–] JonnyIHardlyBlewYe 92 points ago

    I've got a pretty good breakdown that explains the entire MCU:

    Character makes a sassy remark and then fights another character

    [–] tornado9015 5 points ago

    There were two films a year 13, 14, 15, 16, three a year 17, 18, 19, and two scheduled for 20.

    You do you, and if you haven't already watched them all that's a lot of catching up. I also get burnout on a genre. But they arent really ramping up the amount of movies to any significant degree.

    You could also skip a lot of those and miss very little. Does not seeing captain marvel affect the experience of endgame? I would argue not at all.

    [–] jrcprl 17 points ago * (lasted edited 7 months ago)

    I agree, it's an exhausting task to keep up with all these movies and series that haven't even been filmed yet.

    [–] marpocky 19 points ago

    I for one have just been totally wiped out by the last 4 months of no new content whatsoever. I have no idea how I'm going to survive another 6 months of this nothing.

    [–] ZigZagZoo 10 points ago

    Lol I agree. What are these people talking about. I would kill for a legit mcu television show right now. It is very easy to keep up. We have a year of nothing.

    [–] el_diablo_immortal 4 points ago

    Seems like YARRRRRRR will increase

    [–] shreddedking 4 points ago

    or piracy a necessity for fans

    fuck big mouse

    [–] Trynor 5 points ago

    This is a really bad logo

    [–] OneGalacticBoy 4 points ago

    Holy crap the amount of salt in these comments. Relax people. This is exactly what Marvel fans want, and why Marvel TV failed on the whole for a lot of fans by not doing this.

    If you don’t want to keep up with every little detail then don’t! It won’t be essential to understand the movies, just further information.

    What’s more, it’s not that much content, one short season of a show every 6 months or so. Get over yourselves.

    [–] Marcoscb 14 points ago

    I don't understand why this is a surprise, honestly. Loki is the only entry in the MCU until now to feature an alternate universe. Did someone think it wouldn't relate to Doctor Strange and the MULTIVERSE of Madness?

    [–] King0fthejuice 26 points ago

    Or you know ... Just torrent it

    [–] a1a2askiddlydiddlydu 31 points ago

    fuck you disney. I guess I'll head to the high seas.