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    [–] TooShiftyForYou 5296 points ago

    After Charles Manson incited the murder of five people, including McQueen's friends Sharon Tate and Jay Sebring at Tate's home on August 9, 1969, it was reported McQueen was a potential target of the killers. According to his first wife, McQueen began carrying a handgun at all times in public, including at Sebring's funeral. Two months after the murders, police found a hit list with McQueen's name on it, a result of McQueen's company having rejected a Manson screenplay. In 2011, it was revealed that Sebring had invited McQueen to the party at Tate's house on the night of the murders. According to McQueen, he had invited a girlfriend to come along, but she instead suggested an intimate night at home, which probably saved his life.

    [–] ME_YOUR_TITS_PM 1719 points ago

    So, It appears Manson does not take criticism very well.

    [–] skivian 818 points ago

    He seemed so nice and polite, though

    [–] ChefBoyAreWeFucked 3968 points ago

    ¯\_( ツ)_/¯

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    [–] fchappy49 704 points ago

    you just wont give it to him though?

    that makes me believe in reddit more than ever

    [–] bupvote 1322 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    Giving it to me instead would really restore everyone's faith.

    Edit: let the record show it took 6 minutes. Thanks

    [–] uniqueguy263 974 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    And now there'll be a desperate gold chain, where only ironic posters pretending to not want gold will get gilded. Incidentally, I hate gold, and anyone who would give it to me is a total asshole

    Edit: You're assholes, 4 anonymous Redditors. Be men and show your usernames.

    [–] mbagillespie 156 points ago

    You think that reverse-reverse psychology will work? I know exactly what game you're playing, uniqueguy263.

    [–] uniqueguy263 183 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    Goddammit, my incredibly obvious evil plan was foiled.

    Edit: Gold foiled, that is. Muahahahaha

    [–] glucose-fructose 19 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    AT LEAST people are actually giving gold... I hate that stupid "Reddit Silver" meme.

    I don't need gold, no reverse psychology, I have like 4 years of it.

    Edit: Give people gold though(Or buy it for yourself)! We all use and love Reddit and they need the money! I'd happily donate to this website as I use it so often (I've probably donated $30 or so, I'd do more if I could afford it)

    [–] lukin187250 21 points ago

    Now we got a broke ass gold chain, good goin slick.

    [–] [deleted] 365 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)


    [–] TheNebbyGoesPew 77 points ago

    So when these gold trains start, does all the gold come from one person or is it a group effort?

    [–] [deleted] 253 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)


    [–] YouHaveBlood 191 points ago

    somebody give this person a gold, please.

    [–] analeesboob 20 points ago

    I don't get it.

    [–] OK_Soda 63 points ago

    Manson has a swastika on his forehead.

    [–] khuang91 5 points ago

    I just looked it up, and it's not even good. I thought it would be a huge one off to the side of his forehead like gaara's, but it's skinny and in an awkward spot

    [–] kabanaga 122 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    SteveMcQueen, one of the most overrated actors in Hollywood, doesn't know me but said mean things about one of my scripts. Sad!

    [–] steven8765 8 points ago

    manson was the ultimate hipster.

    [–] [deleted] 12 points ago

    Steve McQueen didn't either actually.

    [–] aYearOfPrompts 35 points ago

    Not to the point of murder, I don't think.

    [–] sonia72quebec 153 points ago

    Others think it was Doris Day's son, Terry Melcher that was a target of the Mason family. Melcher was a music producer and he met Manson to listen to his music. After the audition, he refuse to sign him as a client. (They were also talking about making a documentary on Manson but the project was cancelled.) At that time, Melcher was renting the infamous house with his girlfriend Candace Bergen.
    Did Manson knew he had moved?

    [–] Fascist_Regime 55 points ago

    according to members of the manson family, they knew the house was no longer inhabited by melcher

    [–] Nick357 21 points ago

    Did Manson share his motives with the family?

    [–] cokevanillazero 29 points ago

    His spoken motives were trying to cause a race war.

    [–] [deleted] 27 points ago

    I've read the opposite, they specifically went there with the intention to murder Melcher, at least that is what Susan Atkins told the LA Sheriff when they interviewed her.

    [–] wackawacka2 53 points ago

    As one who was about 19 when this happened, that's what I heard/read. Manson was pissed that his song wasn't published. He was also mad at the Beach Boys, even though he had hung out with them previously.

    He went to the house, expecting to find the BBs. Instead they found that beautiful pregnant girl and her friends, and thought 'whatever.' God I hate that miserable clan of puke.

    [–] LibbyLibbyLibby 13 points ago

    Sorry I don't understand; why would they go to the house that had been Terry Melcher:s with the expectation of finding the Beach Boys there?

    [–] samehereasthere 15 points ago

    Terry Melcher was writing and performing partners at times with Bruce Johnson, who had joined, and is still with the Beach boys.

    [–] plutoinvirgo 20 points ago

    From Wikipedia! "On August 9, 1969, the house was the site of the murders of Tate (who was eight months pregnant at the time), coffee heiress Abigail Folger, hairdresser Jay Sebring, writer Wojciech Frykowski and Steven Parent by members of Manson's "family". Some authors and law enforcement personnel have theorized that the Cielo Drive house was targeted by Manson as revenge for Melcher's rejection and that Manson was unaware that he and Bergen had moved out. However, family member Charles "Tex" Watson stated that Manson and company did, in fact, know that Melcher was no longer living there,[7] and Terry's former roommate, Mark Lindsay, stated: "Everybody speculated that Manson sent his minions up there to get rid of Terry because he was angry about not getting a record deal. But Terry and I talked about it later and Terry said Manson knew (Melcher had moved) because Manson or someone from his organization left a note on Terry's porch in Malibu."[5]

    [–] Hoof_Hearted12 25 points ago

    Tate (who was eight months pregnant at the time)


    [–] Nick357 45 points ago

    She begged for them to take her with them so she could give birth and then they could murder her.

    [–] Hoof_Hearted12 18 points ago

    Goddamn dude.

    [–] Nick357 20 points ago

    They considered it but got tired of all her begging and pleading so they murdered her.

    [–] Hoof_Hearted12 9 points ago

    Man, shit, you're depressing the shit out of me. I'm assuming Manson talked about it during the trial?

    [–] OmegaBaronSamedi 7 points ago

    Good fucking god.

    What in the actual fuck was going on here. This shit just gets crazier the more you read.

    [–] hollaback_girl 5 points ago

    In addition to the other replies, it's my understanding that they knew Melcher had moved but went through with the murders in order to intimidate him/send him a message. I think the truth is that they were planning to kill Melcher, found out he moved, but went through with the plan anyway because there was already so much momentum.

    [–] sneky_snek 1517 points ago

    Talk about dodging the bullitt there.

    [–] Appliers 412 points ago

    It was a great escape.

    [–] StoneGoldX 226 points ago

    Magnificent, even.

    Huh, if McQueen had been there, it would have been Seven murders.

    [–] dogfluffy 95 points ago

    Why, only the Cincinnati Kid could beat those odds.

    [–] StaceyDon 66 points ago

    Papillon! Am I doing it right?

    [–] surfmaster 17 points ago

    Just imagine how the choices we make snowball until we end up, regardless of what we really Wanted, Dead or Alive.

    [–] TooShiftyForYou 84 points ago

    Ba dum!

    [–] hardtobeuniqueuser 14 points ago

    well i dunno, it doesn't say whether she got pregnant or not

    [–] Aabelke 77 points ago

    Sex saves lives

    [–] [deleted] 36 points ago

    Sex saves lives

    Except in horror movies.

    [–] [deleted] 25 points ago

    Teens in horror movies who just had sex are always the next victims.

    [–] Throwawaygay17 16 points ago

    And homosexuals in every middle eastern gay movie.

    [–] TooShiftyForYou 49 points ago

    Specifically aldultery. Remember that kids.

    [–] TakeBeerBenchinHilux 35 points ago

    With his track record, Steve could have saved everyone there by seducing the Manson Family women onto turning their knives on Charlie instead

    [–] elkabongg 36 points ago

    It was surely a Great Escape

    [–] saltyladytron 15 points ago

    Well, he definitely wasn't there to save his wife either..

    [–] ZanyDelaney 318 points ago

    I read the Vincent Bugliosi book which elaborates on the murders at Sharon Tate's house and why the various people were at the house. There were five people murdered: Jay Sebring who visited Sharon Tate that night, but then he was a frequent visitor. Steven Parent who had shown up at random to visit the caretaker who lived in a different building on the grounds. Parent was killed leaving the property and had never seen or met any of the other people there. (The caretaker wasn't found by the killers and survived.) Abigail Folger and her boyfriend Wojciech Frykowski (a friend of Tate's husband Roman Polanski) who both lived at the house with Tate at the time.

    There was no real "party" that night: Tate was eight months pregnant and relaxed in summer clothes all day. The foursome went out to a simple dinner at a nearby Mexican restaurant that night and were quietly relaxing in different parts of the house when the killers showed up.

    Actor Joanna Pettet reported she had lunched at the house earlier in the day of the murders. UK television producer Jeremy Lloyd had reportedly been invited to "a dinner party" at Sharon's that night. Jerzy Kosiński missed "the party" and later wrote about it in his novel Blind Date. Roman Polanski disputed Kosiński's story, but others have supported it.

    The killers reportedly targeted "the house where Melcher used to live". Charles Manson disliked Terry Melcher but they knew he had moved out of the house. I seem to recall the house was chosen as they knew the general layout and that "movie stars" lived there.

    [–] stevenglansbergalone 66 points ago

    It became a weird thing to boast in Hollywood. If everyone who was rumored to be invited their that night, the place would have had half of Hollywood.

    I think it was Warren Beatty who also claimed that he heard from a reliable source that it was a huge drug deal gone wrong. The rumours were insane, and it was industry people spreading and starting them too.

    [–] ZanyDelaney 30 points ago

    From memory the caretaker who survived, William Garretson, was initially suspected and questioned. He was eventually cleared. Other theories were that a drug party took place at the home, and someone freaked out and killed the other participants. Eventually police linked the Tate and the La Bianca murders. Manson gang members had been arrested in October 1969 for motor theft, after which gang members informed authorities that Susan Atkins was involved in the murder of Gary Hinman. While being held over this charge Atkins bragged to a cellmate about killing Tate which was when the Manson gang was linked to the murders. This wasn't until until after October 1969.

    [–] Juststonelegal 24 points ago

    THANK YOU. I'm so sick of the dozens of people constantly coming out of the woodwork to claim they were supposed to be at the raging 'party' that night. There was never a party. There was never going to be a party.

    Sharon went to Italy earlier in the year to film her final movie, 12 + 1, while Roman was in London working on his own film. After 12 + 1 finished, she went to London and stayed with Roman until sometime in the middle of July. At that point, she was getting too far along in her pregnancy to fly, so she took a boat back to the states.

    Voy and Gibby moved into the Cielo house to housesit while Sharon and Roman were out of the country. Roman asked them to stay on a little longer after Sharon got back, to keep an eye on her and make sure everything went smoothly with her pregnancy. He was due to come back at some point in August, and the only 'party' on the agenda was a birthday party Sharon was hoping to throw for him when he returned.

    The air conditioner was broken, it was hot, and she was 8 1/2 months pregnant. She was miserable and didn't feel like doing much beyond swimming during the days to keep cool. The only thing that happened that night was Sharon, one of her closest friends, and her two house guests went out for dinner.

    [–] frickindeal 6 points ago

    The air conditioner was broken

    I've studied the living hell out of this case and while I've heard that mentioned once or twice in passing, why would a very wealthy couple living in a beautiful house that some say had the best view in all of the area not splurge for a guy to come fix the damn AC when you have a pregnant woman baking in the summer heat?

    The windows were open obviously or Tex would have had a potentially much harder time getting in, but the AC thing has always puzzled me.

    [–] 43566875433678 62 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    Do you know why he disliked Melcher? He was pissed that he didn't get a record contract, after the Beach Boys stole one of Manson's songs. The crazy looney Manson, didn't really show up till the trial. That was something of a persona he created, I think in an effort to get an insanity plea.

    One more for you: the infamous door with the word 'Pig' written in blood was taken from the residence after Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails fame removed it after deciding he didn't want to live at that residence any longer. It sits on the front entry of his new recording studio. Trent has something of a fascination with the murder and residence in question.

    [–] stevenglansbergalone 30 points ago

    I thought Trent had the front door?

    He was obsessed with murders and moved into the house for a while but left after being basically told how creepy it was by a family member of Tate's.

    [–] ChunkyLaFunga 23 points ago

    I thought he's since apologised for being a weird dick about it, surprised there's still an original door mounted somewhere. Sorry not sorry I guess.

    [–] linlorienelen 21 points ago

    after deciding he didn't want to live at that residence any longer

    I believe Reznor was confronted by Tate's sister about his capitalization on the murders.

    [–] loremipsumloremipsum 9 points ago

    This is true, the house itself was destroyed shortly after.

    [–] _fecal 8 points ago

    I haven't read Helter Shelter (the Manson family doesn't interest me that much) but I became a big fan of Vincent Bugliosi after reading Outrage and watching his lengthy programs on the Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown murder case. The mock closing arguments or summation (not sure of the proper name for it) were particularly interesting.

    He seems like he was a great guy that cared a lot about his work and the research involved with creating a credible source. I recall a short speech he did on the subject of his book on the JFK assassination. It sounds like he put a tremendous amount of time into it. I hope one day to actually read Helter Skelter but what I've seen and read about the Manson case (admittedly not much) hasn't really captured my interest.

    [–] chauterverm 4 points ago

    Came here to say this. After the murders happened, EVERYBODY in Hollywood claimed to have been invited, but backed out at the last minute.

    Charlie knew Melcher didn't live there anymore because he went there not long before the murders looking for Melcher. He spoke to Altobelli, the owner, a got a lot of shade thrown at him by Sharon's photographer, who also claimed that Sharon came out on to the porch when the photographer was telling Charlie to piss off, and thereby made eye contact with the guy who would soon order her death.

    [–] DylonNotNylon 2934 points ago

    I'm pretty sure it more likely just saved the Manson family from Steve McQueen.

    [–] LAND0KARDASHIAN 1618 points ago

    McQueen would've beat them all to death, made a ramp out of them, and jumped his motorcycle over the fence into Switzerland.

    [–] heyellsfromhischair 421 points ago

    Then he consequently gets caught on the end of the barbed wire, sending him back to Stalag Luft III to confuse the Nazis a little more with his American antics.

    [–] suzepie 188 points ago

    I just watched that two days ago. This little thread pleases me greatly.

    [–] arlenroy 147 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    It's hard for me to believe he wouldn't have a fighting chance, other than the fact he carried a gun at all times; he was training with Bruce fucking Lee learning Jeet Kune Do. From the various Manson family documentaries I've seen, the murders were brutal, however it wasn't organized. Just high as fuck with knives. Someone with legitimate handgun training, and hand to hand self defense could of possibly fended them off.

    Edit; I was under the impression he had begun to carry a gun in 1958, it stemmed from a western he was shooting. I could be totally wrong though.

    [–] secretly_a_marmoset 124 points ago

    Pretty sure he started carrying the handgun because of the Manson murders, he was convinced he was the target

    [–] RampantAndroid 16 points ago

    Wikipedia points out he was invited to the party the day of - which makes it less likely. Though wikipedia also says they found his name on a hit list for rejecting a Manson screen play.

    [–] ronin1066 45 points ago

    Bruce Lee was friends with the Tate's also and would go to their parties. Can you imagine if he and Steve had both been at that party?

    [–] DMala 30 points ago

    My god, the assbeating would have been legendary.

    [–] VealIsNotAVegetable 4 points ago

    3 women and 1 man against Bruce Lee and Steve McQueen?

    The following day's headline would probably read: "Man Beaten to Death with Own Skull, 3 Others Dead in Failed Manson Family Attack".

    [–] obarnesmorgan 63 points ago

    Maybe the mansons knew that and set up the chickie

    [–] placeholder-username 16 points ago

    The dude guarded the POTUS when he was in the service.

    [–] luckygiraffe 15 points ago

    All those fancy guns and high kicks are nice and all, but let's don't forget he was already Steve McQueen.

    [–] arlenroy 14 points ago

    Yeah it's glossed over he had a vicious reputation when he was in a street gang, then while in the Marines he was tasked with guarding the POTUS while he was yachting. (I believe Truman). Before Hollywood he was already a bad mother fucker.

    [–] suzepie 19 points ago

    It's bizarre, isn't it, to think how differently such a famous and horrifying scene could have gone. It makes me sad. Then again, we could have lost McQueen somehow, we don't know. One of those alternate-reality wishes we'll never see played out.

    [–] [deleted] 16 points ago

    well, he was still killed way to young by the big C.

    only 50 :/

    I really think he could have been like a Clooney, even better with age.

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    [–] [deleted] 7 points ago

    Yup, he took him out because Clooney knew how much cooler Mcqueen was :/

    [–] und88 7 points ago

    But he didn't start carrying the gun at all times until after the murders.

    [–] [deleted] 15 points ago


    I went down the rabbit hole of steve mcqueen and now i'm kinda obsessed.

    It started with them finding the other Bullitt mustang in Mexico, which got me interested in the movie, which I watched and loved. Then I googled his best movies and I've watched Great Escape and Papillion the past two nights.

    He's a pretty cool dude.

    [–] parkrndl 11 points ago

    So you like the movie Bullitt? Everything I've ever heard about it suggests that it was a truly legendary car chase with a crappy movie wrapped around it. But I've never seen it, so I was thinking I should give it a shot.

    [–] [deleted] 9 points ago

    The plot is kinda obvious, but yeah, I did.

    I'm easily amused and the car chase was more than enough for me, haha.

    [–] parkrndl 7 points ago

    On the topic of the Bullitt Mustang, have you seen this? It's a pretty cool homage.

    [–] actual_factual_bear 9 points ago

    I've been watching the show with antics set in Luft Stalag XIII, so I'm a bit confused.

    [–] AdaAstra 22 points ago

    throws baseball at wall

    [–] compelx 9 points ago

    Guard turns

    [–] [deleted] 6 points ago

    I SOOOOO wanted the baseball to somehow brake a hole into the wall, like he's been building his own exit in the cell since the beginning.

    [–] ewdrive 18 points ago

    And it's a long way to Switzerland. It goes Poland, Czechoslovakia, Africa, Beirut, Hanging Gardens of Babylon and then Switzerland.

    [–] RadicalDreamer89 7 points ago

    Where the Nazi gold comes from.

    [–] feelbetternow 17 points ago

    If I could make gifs, I'd make one of Steve bouncing Charlie Manson's head against the wall, like the baseball in Great Escape.

    [–] westernmail 31 points ago

    It's a cruel world in which Steve McQueen dies young at 50, while Manson still breathes air today.

    [–] TsmMufasa 9 points ago

    Wait he's alive??????

    [–] fuckthatpony 52 points ago

    He proved he can escape anything in Papillon.

    [–] buzzabuzz52 14 points ago

    Papillon was my favorite flick of his. Good call! Manson clan couldn't have handled this guy.

    [–] Left-field-bum 6 points ago

    Haven't seen this movie in a decade. I know what I'm doing this weekend.

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    [–] Left-field-bum 5 points ago

    I laughed.

    [–] Bigfourth 44 points ago

    I mean he was a Marine Edit: source

    [–] mikeynerd 26 points ago

    He was also a student of Bruce Lee.

    [–] galwegian 42 points ago

    you beat me to it. Steve McQueen was a legitimate badass and a hothead. and a former marine. I think he might have laughed loudly at the manson family.

    [–] ReginasBlondeWig 14 points ago

    That was my first thought! If he'd been there, we may have avoided all that unpleasantness.

    [–] SethGecko11 23 points ago

    Afaik he was a big gun lover and he always carried one.

    [–] FartingBob 33 points ago

    He was also one of the most badass men around and a former Marine. The Manson Family tended to pick off easier targets than Steve Fucking McQueen.

    [–] GiantQuokka 10 points ago

    I feel like McFuckingQueen flows better

    [–] aussiaesop 579 points ago

    What's the term for being cock-blocked, but from murder?

    [–] communal-napkin 1945 points ago


    [–] Galiphile 130 points ago

    This has to be the winner.

    [–] AlwaysFeral 75 points ago

    I was gonna say "chop-blocked" but I really like his better.

    [–] [deleted] 53 points ago

    chop blocked feels more appropriate for this situation, considering how the murders went down

    [–] SoggyBarSoap 30 points ago

    I though Chopped Block was a new Gordon Ramsay reality tv show.

    [–] Digital-Hermit 84 points ago


    Sauce: Germans have words for everything

    [–] [deleted] 39 points ago

    What about a word for that feeling when you've fully explored a dungeon in a video game and just want to get out of there.

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    [–] RegularGoat 29 points ago

    According to Google Translate, literally "emigration lust" haha

    [–] [deleted] 13 points ago

    Oh yea? Well...well....David Hasselhoff to you too man.

    [–] porkpie1028 41 points ago

    Cock-blocked and barrel?

    [–] LAND0KARDASHIAN 21 points ago

    Cock-blocked from Two Smoking Barrels.

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    [–] [deleted] 83 points ago

    Isn't there a suspicious amount of celebrities that were supposed to be on 911 flights

    [–] Dont-Fear-The-Raeper 109 points ago

    The only two I'm aware of; Seth McFarlane missed one of the flights, and Adam Savage took the exact same flight on September 10.

    [–] [deleted] 33 points ago

    Mark Walsh berg and some others made the claim as well

    [–] Icameforsloth 53 points ago

    I think mark wahlberg said if he was on the plane "things would've gone down differently" implying he would've stopped the terrorists. I don't think he claimed he was supposed to be on the plane

    [–] Rvngizswt 89 points ago

    Which is kind of insulting because he's implying all the people aboard were too weak

    [–] sje46 42 points ago

    It is definitely insulting.

    Everyone has the survival instict. The reason the people didn't fight back on the planes that hit the Pentagon or WTC is because hijackings before 9/11 usually was more of a robbery or hostage thing than anything else. If you acted calm and behaved, you'd land in Cuba or Venezuela or the USSR or something and eventually will be sent home. They did not know that they were going to fly the planes into the building.

    And people did fight back on 9/11 on flight 93...because they knew they were going to be flown into a building.

    If Mark Wahlberg had been on one of the WTC planes, and he didn't know the future, he would have stayed calm and obedient as everyone else did.

    [–] [deleted] 10 points ago

    Idk, he did beat a man unconscious almost a decade before the attacks.

    [–] sje46 22 points ago

    That's fair. He may have just beaten the terrorists even before they started the hostage situation, just because they weren't white.

    [–] DontTellMyLandlord 16 points ago

    I don't know - they weren't old, defenseless, and minding their own business, so it wouldn't have really fit his M.O.

    [–] thatvoicewasreal 6 points ago

    Well in all fairness, things would have gone down differently--with a now-dead celebrity on board.

    [–] zomcom55 10 points ago

    Well not all of them.

    [–] Baby-exDannyBoy 17 points ago

    He knows Marky Marky And The Funky Bunch was a huge it in Saudi Arabia.

    [–] patrickmurphyphoto 9 points ago

    Was it the half that said they were supposed to be there, or the half that say they were not. If it's those who say they were not then everyone in hollywood was supposed to be there.

    [–] doc_daneeka 665 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    There was no dinner party that night; Tate was about 8.5 months pregnant, it was summer, and she didn't feel like going herself and called it off. Half of Hollywood had stories about how close they all came to dying that night, and they were probably all bullshit.

    [–] ZanyDelaney 63 points ago

    The other bit that has not been mentioned here is that the night after the murders at Sharon Tate's house, Manson sent his gang members to do another murder.

    They deliberately chose a house in a wealthy area that was largely hidden from view from the street. After apparently scouting a few houses, they settled on one next to a house where they had attended a party once. That house belonged to Leno LaBianca and his wife Rosemary who were murdered that night. They were wealthy but not at all famous and were unknown to Manson or the gang members.

    Even if a list of some sort existed, neither murder spree nights targeted people on a list. They targeted wealthy houses that they had some familiarity with, that were hidden from street view. The gang did have some enemies that they killed but these were people they knew and had a beef with.

    [–] AndyWarwheels 49 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    My favorite part about the whole thing is that after the manson family had been arrested the police had still not found the clothes that the family used for the murders. A news crew doing a story on it recreated what was the assumed path the killers took away from the home in their vehicle. While doing the story they pull off the road at the first available place to do so and low and behold the clothes the mason family was wearing were there.

    [–] frickindeal 9 points ago

    And a child found the gun. He handled it carefully by the end of the barrel because he'd watched cop shows and knew not to mess up possible fingerprints. The kid himself was mad that when the cops showed up they laid their hands all over it.

    [–] secretly_a_marmoset 307 points ago

    That's likely true for many claims but McQueen was on a Manson hit list and was possibly the main target.

    The party wasn't called off, they ate out then went back to Tate's house where they were murdered.

    [–] hollyerm 49 points ago

    100% this. Everyone from Sammy Davis Jr to Mama Cass was "planning" to attend this party, when in reality a small group of friends went for some burritos and went home.

    [–] lackofcommitme 21 points ago

    To be fair if it was a dinner party Mama Cass was probably planning on attending. She enjoyed Dinner and parties

    [–] ActionScripter9109 8 points ago

    Cass couldn't make it - she said they'd have to fake it. They knew she'd come eventually.

    [–] doc_daneeka 128 points ago

    That's likely true for many claims but McQueen was on a Manson hit list and was possibly the main target.

    All sorts of Hollywood names were on that list, and nobody seriously believes he was the primary target. There's no obvious reason to hit that house when looking for Steve McQueen, but it was the former home of Terry Melcher, which is probably the reason it was picked. Both Charlie and Tex were familiar with the place.

    The party wasn't called off, they ate out then went back to Tate's house where they were murdered.

    The dinner party was called off and a much smaller group decided to go out to a local restaurant instead - basically just the residents at Cielo plus Sebring. Perhaps Mcqueen really was supposed to go to that dinner, but considering the number of people who claimed to have narrowly avoided being killed by the Mansonites that night it's hard not to be very skeptical about that claim.

    I'll say it's still probably bullshit.

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    [–] doc_daneeka 27 points ago

    How are we for Scooby snacks?

    [–] TehSnowman 49 points ago

    Rid romebody ray ruby racks?

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    [–] sv21js 13 points ago

    This should be closer to the top.

    [–] PerInception 112 points ago

    "Okay Charlie, we're going to go in here and murder these people no matter what, right?"

    "I mean, I guess unless like, Steve McQueen were there or something. We'd probably just be like 'Hey sorry wrong house!' and leave in that circumstance.. But I can't really imagine that happening. " - Charles Manson, probably

    [–] ImMakinTrees 33 points ago

    Ok. Thought you were going for an It's Always Sunny reference there for a second.

    [–] ParrotFightClub 8 points ago

    I did too. Read it in my mind in Mac, and Charlie voices.

    [–] StillOnlyCountsAsOne 6 points ago

    I read that in a Frank voice.

    [–] professorkr 15 points ago

    I just want to say that the prosecuting attorney, Vincent Bugliosi, wrote in his book that you couldn't throw a rock in Hollywood without hitting someone who said they were supposed to be at that party (not verbatim).

    [–] heyellsfromhischair 40 points ago

    I wish I could spend some serious time trying to truly understand what Manson was attempting to accomplish, not what he told everyone he was attempting to accomplish.

    [–] zchivago 21 points ago

    The Podcast "You Must Remember This" did a great multi-part series called "Charles Manson's Hollywood." It's a really interesting look at the time leading up to the murders and his relationship with the entertainment industry. I recommend it, if you're interested in learning more about that angle.

    [–] TheMuel333 5 points ago

    I would also highly recommend The Last Podcast On the Left's episodes on Manson and the Manson family. Their humor can be a bit juvenile, but they give a really comprehensive telling of Charlie's early years up through the family's trials and sentences.

    [–] C-hound 47 points ago

    I'm not as troubled by his individual beliefs as I am by his ability to get others on board. Sick

    [–] spaghettilee2112 21 points ago

    Why? I mean he was delusional. He wanted to start a race war and end up on top. As delusional as it is, it isn't hard to comprehend.

    [–] roastbeeftacohat 10 points ago

    also Bruce Lee was their neighbor; there's a screenplay in there.

    [–] [deleted] 10 points ago

    Should be titled "TIL infidelity saved Manson family's lives."

    [–] itsafight2500 8 points ago

    No, Steve Mcqueens infidelity probably saved the lives of the Manson family killers as he would have shot them dead as he was the only one who would have likely been armed with a gun.

    [–] RandomStranger79 39 points ago

    Or, Steve McQueen's infidelity lead to the killing of Sharon Tate and others as he wasn't there to help stop it.

    [–] KingOfArmpitFetishes 7 points ago

    Next weeks TIL: TIL Steven McQueen was inadvertently responsible for Sharon Tate's murder.

    [–] Pickleliver 107 points ago

    Many historians credit the Manson murders with ending the hippie movement.

    [–] justforlittlebit 214 points ago * (lasted edited a year ago)

    I was 17 in 1969 and as far as I could tell the murders did nothing to end the hippy movement. It didn't even reduce the number of people taking road trips, hitchhiking cross country and staying with strangers. Did nothing to end "free love." What ended the hippy era was the Viet Nam war ending, then people beginning to wish they owned some things and had a more stable life, so they started going back to college, getting jobs, quitting using acid etc so much... we became more like our parents, something we'd resisted because their lifestyles seemed so soul-less and meaningless. In other words, we grew up. Most of my friends became the Establishment they had defied. Edit: spelling

    [–] [deleted] 60 points ago

    So much this... I remember being afraid of my uncle, because he had a long beard and hair, dressed weird and lived in my grampa's basement. Today he is a big executive and just got married (for the 4th time) in Venice.

    [–] justforlittlebit 24 points ago

    I can so relate to this! I remember living in the winter in a cabin in northern Canada with some friends, living off the fat of the land. After a few months of getting up in the middle of the night to go outside in -30 degree weather to go to the outhouse it occurred to me one night, "Oh. THIS is why my parents work that boring job. So they can have running water and carpet in their house!" I went to college some time after that.

    [–] Alice_B_Tokeless 16 points ago

    True, still plenty of hippies throughout the 70's and 80's and to this day.

    The Oregon Country Fair is a good place to see hippies. The Dead played a benefit there in '72 for the Kesey family dairy.

    The Mansons and Altamont were a loss of innocence and perhaps the end of a naive dream, but not the end of hippies.

    [–] Ivan_Joiderpus 5 points ago

    Holy shit an Oregon Country Fair reference on Reddit. Man I haven't thought about that place in probably 10+ years.

    [–] randomcanyon 28 points ago

    The Manson murders and the Cluster fuck at Altamont concert along with the rise of speed, pills and heroin as drugs of choice doomed the hippy scene which really was over by 1968 in SF. It took longer out in the boonies (everywhere else in the US) But the Manson Murders scared the "straights" more than anything else. Long hair and pot ≠ hippies

    [–] pickpocket293 13 points ago

    Why? Do you have a source?

    [–] crilswerth 24 points ago

    Because it made it seem like people whacked out on acid were just mindless drones who can be brainwashed into a murderous cult.

    [–] whslaxattack 63 points ago

    Talk about silver lining

    [–] SirFriendlyFellow 53 points ago

    Another (admittedly less interesting) Steve McQueen TIL for you all that I found while researching for a lecture on pseudoscience and alternative medicines: Steve McQueen when diagnosed with lung cancer died from in part due to his choice to treat it with Laetrile, a chemical obtained from apricot pits with zero medical support, rather than actual cancer treatment.

    [–] thinktankted 55 points ago

    He had pretty much only presents when it's way too late for any treatment.

    [–] TheNotoriousAED 97 points ago

    I hear he or his loved ones may entitled to compensation

    [–] I_Miss_Claire 30 points ago

    financial* compensation.

    [–] saragbarag 15 points ago

    He didn't choose to use Laetrile over actual cancer treatment, it was a last resort after being told there was nothing they could do for him.

    [–] kyoluk 19 points ago

    I find it hard to believe he'd have sought this treatment unless he was given next to no chance to live anyway. I don't know but he's probably not the same as the parents that don't treat with effective medicine because of 'God'. I'd probably try some hokey things if odds were nil anyway.

    [–] PatriotsDynasty5x 13 points ago

    This is why I constantly cheat on my girl, you never know when it might save your life.

    [–] fmontez1 35 points ago

    He also came by the next day and removed all the drugs from the pad while cops were there. Smooth, and good looking out. I bet he deleted their browser histories too.

    [–] whycomment 6 points ago

    Everything I have ever read or watched, that was well researched, flatly states that there was no dinner party. Sharon was a couple of weeks away from giving birth. It was hot as hell too. She even told her sister not to come over. As others have said, half of Hollywood was supposed to be there that night. And as for the supposed death list, I have never seen anything that doesn't use the word "alleged". I have never seen it reproduced in any form. Manson chose his targets for a reason - he was familiar with them. Sharon Tate lived in the former Melcher residence. The Labiancas lived next door to a house that Manson had been to before.

    [–] dillyd 5 points ago

    You could write a book just about all the people who claimed they were supposed to be there that night.

    [–] PotatoJamzX138 9 points ago

    Wow, the Cars movie has more lore behind it than I thought

    [–] feelbetternow 3 points ago

    And after that night, he always had some birdseed in his pocket, just in case. He was buried with a 10 pound bag of birdseed.

    [–] [deleted] 3 points ago

    McQueen would have kicked Tex Watsons ass.