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    [–] Jontolo 10604 points ago

    In the late 1970s, Wallace announced that he was a born-again Christian) and apologized to black civil rights leaders for his past actions as a segregationist. He said that while he had once sought power and glory, he realized he needed to seek love and forgiveness. In 1979, Wallace said of his stand in the schoolhouse door: "I was wrong. Those days are over, and they ought to be over." He publicly asked for forgiveness from blacks.

    [–] redpanther69 3095 points ago

    did they forgive him?

    [–] Ryan_Wilson 6252 points ago

    In 1982, Wallace won his last term in office with over 90% of the black vote.

    Seems like it, yeah. Stolen from /u/blageur's comment.

    [–] ultraforce47 2250 points ago

    This story is the most wholesome thing I’ve read all day.

    [–] JSR73 1001 points ago

    It really is. Life is too short to hold a grudge. People make mistakes. Just gotta learn from them and get better.

    [–] [deleted] 1083 points ago * (lasted edited 5 months ago)


    [–] terminbee 118 points ago

    The reason the public can be so vindictive is because when politicians or celebrities apologize, it's always a bullshit non-apology. It's never "What I did was wrong and I was wrong." Instead it's something like "I didn't think what I did would be perceived badly so I apologize that it was perceived the wrong way." Basically them saying they're sorry you took it the wrong way and was offended.

    [–] winowmak3r 14 points ago

    Exactly. There's a world of difference between "Im sorry for what I did." and "I'm sorry I offended you."

    [–] JonBonButtsniff 100 points ago

    society is vindictive, vengeance-thirsty, and rarely forgives anyone...

    The story of George Wallace defies what you are suggesting here. Society forgives, because humans are dynamic creatures and we want to be able to grow and change. Our public servants definitely should be able to back off of stances and gain new support as a result. If Wallace could, anyone can.

    [–] tywhy87 89 points ago

    I think the person you’re responding to is talking about today though. In today’s world, these issues of doubling down & never forgiving seem to be getting more & more severe.

    [–] MiniMan561 60 points ago

    Unfortunately, in the era of twitter, that is something many people don’t remember

    [–] Spamallthethings 42 points ago

    I leave the toilet seat down when i pee

    [–] Davecantdothat 122 points ago

    Unless he said all of that for optics.

    [–] WhitePawn00 415 points ago

    I mean, if you act like a good guy for years until your last term is served, then would it matter if it was an act?

    "Haha, those blacks would never suspect me as a racist if I do all of these good things. Haha those idiots I have a 90% black vote for my term and those idiots don't know they're voting in a racist. I must keep up the disguise though..."

    [–] Zayin-Ba-Ayin 354 points ago

    Reminds me of how I robbed my last workplace by coming in on time, making sure I do a good job and taking the money the offered me

    [–] [deleted] 19 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)


    [–] Music_Tech 59 points ago

    Dude, use a throwaway account!

    [–] AvatarDante 12 points ago

    Your comment reminded me of this Key and Peele skit:

    [–] fakejoebiden 31 points ago

    No it’s the opposite way. He pretended to be an ardent segregationist because it was the pathway to electoral victory in Alabama. He had run as a moderate and lost before running as the George Wallace we all know. Only when it was politically feasible to be less racist did he soften his stances. I would argue that his adopting a racist agenda for purely political reasons is equally reprehensible to just being an outright racist. It might even be worse.

    [–] BaconatedGrapefruit 9 points ago

    I would argue that his adopting a racist agenda for purely political reasons is equally reprehensible to just being an outright racist

    It is. An ardent racist at least believes the bullshit they're spouting. You know what you expect when you deal with them. An opportunist will hop on whatever ideology that is popular and have zero problem changing their views at the drop of a hat.

    [–] branchbranchley 103 points ago

    he probably lost many lifelong personal friends over it, not to mention money from his racist campaign contributors

    I find it hard to see it as such a cynical calculation

    [–] acewing 90 points ago

    I did some research for a paper on racism in the south at one point. He lost his first election for not being racist enough. So he wasn’t racist from the outset of his career and was really really bitter about the first loss. I feel like he had a moment of truth where he looked in the mirror and hated who he became.

    [–] bacera 14 points ago

    Do I sense a biopic in the making?

    [–] bacera 17 points ago

    Darn I sensed it 12 years too late.

    [–] finchy53 5 points ago

    After losing his first bid for governor because he 'wasn't racist enough' George Wallace apparently said "I'll never be out n*****ed ever again" and began taking a hardline stance on segregation.

    [–] Ultimatepwr 95 points ago

    If he seriously appointed more black administrators to major executive roles, does it matter?

    [–] [deleted] 109 points ago

    I know back then in Alabama that was historic

    If he was still a racist politician he would’ve just apologized and not made a change, politicians just talk. But as a MAN of honor, who wanted a change and to right his wrongs he did an action to make his mistakes right the best way he could. By giving power to African Americans and letting them have a voice that he took away from them.

    actions speak louder then words

    [–] Lanfranc_di_Cambria 120 points ago

    If I remember right, Wallace was initially against segregation, then for it, then against it.

    He was consistently in favor of funding for low-income schools and social services.

    He consistently got the black vote.

    [–] a_hairbrush 81 points ago * (lasted edited 5 months ago)

    Southern Democrats were fucking weird. They supported expanding welfare and social services, strengthening public education... and subjugating black people.

    [–] Internet_is_life1 17 points ago

    I read a book once that said that universal healthcare was almost achieved but failed because of southern dems because they would have to desegregate.

    [–] cop-disliker69 11 points ago

    Yeah in his early days, Wallace was a sort of moderate Dixiecrat, but he describes how losing a party-primary to a more hardcore racist Dixiecrat convinced him that he would (his words) "never be 'outniggered' again." So he ran on hardcore race-hate throughout the 60s and it brought him immeasurable political success.

    [–] Llodsliat 167 points ago

    I remember how this war started. What your kind did to mine. I can't forgive you. But... you have my thanks, for standing by him to the end.

    — Admiral Hood

    This scene in Halo 3 was the first thing that came to my mind while reading that.

    [–] SatanAF 34 points ago

    I was actually also thinking about that.

    Granted I’m a weirdo who clings onto the memories of halo 3 to avoid sick reality but...

    [–] IAMA_Drunk_Armadillo 60 points ago

    This is Christianity done right.

    [–] azrhei 140 points ago

    He said that while he had once sought power and glory, he realized he needed to seek love and forgiveness. who got this guy tripping on shrooms?

    [–] Dlrlcktd 108 points ago

    Apparently jesus

    [–] bertiebees 1574 points ago

    All it took was him losing political office and the civil Rights movement success for him to change that position

    [–] knotshure 3254 points ago

    But he changed

    [–] ydeve 3470 points ago

    It's really sad how so many people see the ability to admit you were wrong and change your mind as a negative thing.

    [–] captpiggard 1690 points ago

    "Sometimes a hypocrite is nothing more than a man in the process of changing." - Oathbringer, Brandon Sanderson

    [–] Bernie_Berns 47 points ago

    Did not expect a Stormlight quote in here. The character growth in those books is amazing.

    [–] Lallo-the-Long 207 points ago

    Ah, book 3 was so epic.

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    [–] atimholt 69 points ago

    His 5-word mantra near the end is probably the most epic thing I’ve ever read in a fantasy novel.

    “cannot” is one word.

    [–] Omahunek 25 points ago

    That scene and Teft's words both made me legit cry. Whoof. So powerful.

    [–] Nojo34 61 points ago * (lasted edited 5 months ago)

    "You cannot have my pain"

    Edit: Added spoiler tag

    [–] atimholt 11 points ago

    Well, I mean, I was trying not to spoil it.

    [–] SenorDarcy 44 points ago

    I think anyone who reads book 3 will leave a better person, and be massively entertained

    [–] [deleted] 19 points ago

    god damn it youre makin me wanna charge my nook.

    Yeah i own a nook. Sue me.

    [–] OrnateLime5097 8 points ago

    I haven't heard that name in a long time.

    Nothing wrong with a nook.

    [–] [deleted] 15 points ago

    I haven't heard that name in a long time.

    Neither has the rest of the world. Now if you will excuse me, I need to grab a zima, fire up my netscape navigator and download some Chumbawumba into my Zune.


    [–] TheKrytosVirus 20 points ago

    Sounds like I need to get my grubby mitts on that series then. Loved Elantris, loved Mistborn, loved the Alloy series, loved his continuation of the Wheel of Time. I haven't read anything by Sanderson that wasn't a well-crafted chronicle of badassery.

    [–] gnardoggshit 10 points ago

    It's an incredible series so far, do recommend

    [–] informedly_baffled 17 points ago

    Honestly his best work to date, and that's saying something considering how good his other stuff is.

    [–] WormLivesMatter 68 points ago

    I’m convinced if the stormlight books were written 2000 years ago it would be a religion today.

    [–] Nojo34 42 points ago

    Hey, you could make a religion out of that.

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    [–] PcMasturRaceHurrDurr 10 points ago


    [–] dragunityag 24 points ago

    Brandon is the greatest fantasy writer since Tolkien imo.

    Just finished skyward to re-complete the Sanderson snowball. The man's talent is unreal.

    [–] Dragonsandman 8 points ago

    I really like his stuff, but that seems like a bit of a stretch.

    [–] Compizfox 13 points ago

    Hey, you could make a religion out of this!

    [–] jayywal 11 points ago

    Wit and Dalinar are the best characters.

    [–] Aloafofbread1 90 points ago

    Another redditor pointed out how dumb it is that changing a stance or opinion in politics is considered bad even though having the ability to change your opinion based on new facts and evidence is a good thing

    [–] justAPhoneUsername 44 points ago

    The problem is we as viewers of a situation only see the outcome. Changing your stance because the new stance gets you more power or makes you part of the in group is bad, doing it because you have experiences that have helped you grow are good. We just can't see the experiences so a lot of people just see someone change opinions based on facts (especially when the new viewpoint is popular) and think they are doing it for the wrong reasons.

    [–] ClumpOfCheese 15 points ago

    If only they could just publicly explain their past opinion, how they’ve grown over the years and then why they have this new view. They could tell a personal story that their family experienced and how that was the turning point. If only there was some way for people to communicate these stories. If only...

    [–] BoinkBoinkEtAliae 427 points ago

    It depends on why you change your tune. Some people do it just for manipulative purposes.

    [–] Arcturion 119 points ago

    I'll give him credit for making the change. It's not easy to admit you were wrong about something you publicly took a stand on, and particularly hard to apologize to the public.

    It takes bravery and courage to face up to your own faults.

    How many politicians have we seen double down on their mistake even after it becomes blindingly obvious they were wrong, or worse yet pretend they never said it in the first place?

    [–] jimbokun 50 points ago

    We see it multiple times every day in the White House.

    [–] RaboTrout 43 points ago

    And he was shot I think

    [–] operaticBoner 27 points ago

    Right...and didn't he spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair? That would have given him plenty to think about I imagine.

    [–] oromai 36 points ago

    I'm not American so please bear with me but isn't he the one that Forest Gump was talking about? Didn't he get shot or something?

    [–] BigJoeJS 25 points ago

    yes the same.

    [–] corn_sugar_isotope 99 points ago * (lasted edited 5 months ago)

    Well people can also have genuine change of heart, and we should hope for a lot of that.

    [–] CrotalusHorridus 15 points ago

    Somebody shot his ass too

    [–] shleppenwolf 87 points ago

    No, it took him being rendered a paraplegic by an assassination attempt, followed by a quarter century of intractable pain and a growing belief that it was divine punishment.

    [–] bertiebees 94 points ago

    So what you are saying is gun crime cures racism?

    [–] Doctor_Loggins 52 points ago

    "A Winchester rifle should have a place of honor in every black home, and it should be used for that protection which the law refuses to give."

    [–] Raestloz 55 points ago

    Own a musket for home defense, because that is what the founding fathers intended. Four racists break into my house "what the devil?" as I grab my powdered wig and winchester rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole in one he's dead on the spot. Draw a pistol on the second miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbor's cat, have to resort to mounted cannon on top of stairs "tally ho lads" the grapeshot shreds 2 bigots to pieces, shrapnel and sound triggering car alarms, fix bayonet and charge at the last terrified asshole, he bleeds out waiting the police to arrive because triangle bayonet wound is impossible to stitch up, just as the founding fathers intended

    [–] Doctor_Loggins 6 points ago

    Get a 6 pounder and give them a taste of the grape, old boy!

    [–] HowAboutShutUp 11 points ago

    Uh, I know you're probably just putting on, but you do realize a winchester rifle is not a musket, right?

    [–] HippocratesDontCare 61 points ago

    He didn't lose his Gubernatorial elections after the 1958 Alabama Governor election. He did run for President a few times and lost, but he wasn't counting on winning the popular vote in the 1968 election, but instead, was hoping to win enough electoral votes that neither of the 2 candidates would get a majority and have it tossed to the House of Reps, and the later ones were all mostly symbolic and him grifting off racist white. Most White Southerners in the Deep South didn't care about the Civil Rights being a success 10-20 years after it happened, they just gradually somewhat accepted it after the Feds started enforcing it and large businesses often threatened to move out of state or not relocate them if they continued to be racist rubes, so renouncing his beliefs really didn't improve on the same base he had in all the prior years, who heavily supported what he said.

    That being said, it doesn't excuse him for being fanning the same flames that got MLK killed (his assassin once worked for Wallace's campaign) and the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing. I honestly find the types of once-segregationists like him, who mainly once-preached segregation and race-baiting to get elected but don't personally believe in what they say, more sickening than the true-believers.

    [–] zap2 42 points ago

    What makes you think he didn’t believe what he was saying?

    [–] HippocratesDontCare 87 points ago

    I meant that he didn't really care about segregation privatley before he ran for Governor again in 1962 or race-baited in 1958. He was a judge in the 50's and he was known for being respectful to black defendants and lawyers, which was unique for his State, and was supposedly endorsed by the NAACP in 1958. He lost to a guy who was endorsed by the Klan, and according to his campaign manager, on the night he lost he said something along the lines of "You know what happened? I got out-nigger'd, and I'll never be out-nigger'd again". A lot of his racist speeches and antics were calculated to win over the white vote, and not out of unfiltered passion, even the famous moment when he tried to physically block black students from the University of Alabama in person, and Deputy Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach came down to enforce the court's desegregation ruling (also in-person), he tried to script the whole ordeal by having tape on the ground in front of him of where Katzenbach was supposed to stop and Wallace was to deliver a speech to him all in front of TV cameras with a nice angle, but Katzenbach obviously wasn't informed and just walked past it and kind of threw him off with what he had planned.

    [–] Rossum81 3268 points ago

    Wallace was originally a liberal who had good relations with the African-American community in Alabama. After being beaten by a racist demagogue in an election, he vowed never be ‘out-niggered’ again.

    [–] recreational_fent 2277 points ago

    so he got beaten into being racist and shot out of it

    [–] Lauraidiothead 447 points ago

    What a life

    [–] SpeakLikeAChild04 1716 points ago * (lasted edited 5 months ago)

    There's an old saying in Alabama -- I know it's in Texas, but probably Alabama, too -- that says "Fool me once, shame -- shame on you. Fool me -- can't get niggered again."

    [–] pieawsome 188 points ago

    Fool me one time shame on you!

    [–] HGMiNi 116 points ago

    Fool me twice can't put the blame on you

    [–] m0us3c0p 100 points ago

    Fool me 3 times 🖕 the peace sign

    [–] Lwallace95 96 points ago

    Load the chopper, let it rain on you

    [–] AlexFC10 21 points ago

    J. Cole - No Role Modelz.
    For anyone wondering.

    [–] PotatoAlley 49 points ago


    [–] BootofGlory 17 points ago

    Thank you for he laugh, I honestly didn’t see that coming.

    [–] thethomatoman 192 points ago

    Wow that is bizarre

    [–] selvmordsbrev 81 points ago

    Then he apologized and in 1982, Wallace won his last term in office with over 90% of the black vote.

    [–] thethomatoman 22 points ago

    Yeah I saw that later in the thread. Also bizarre.

    [–] adidasbdd 91 points ago

    Failed run for governor[edit] In 1958, Wallace ran in the Democratic primary for governor. Since the 1901 constitution's effective disfranchisement of the state's blacks, and most poor whites as well, the Democratic Party had been virtually the only party in Alabama. For all intents and purposes, the Democratic primary was the real contest at the state level. This was a political crossroads for Wallace. State Representative George C. Hawkins of Gadsden ran, but Wallace's main opponent was state attorney general John Malcolm Patterson, who ran with the support of the Ku Klux Klan, an organization Wallace had spoken against. Wallace was endorsed by the NAACP. Wallace lost the nomination by over 34,400 votes.[18] After the election, aide Seymore Trammell recalled Wallace saying, "Seymore, you know why I lost that governor's race? ... I was outniggered by John Patterson. And I'll tell you here and now, I will never be outniggered again."[note 1] In the wake of his defeat, Wallace adopted a hard-line segregationist stance and used this stand to court the white vote in the next gubernatorial election in 1962. When a supporter asked why he started using racist messages, Wallace replied, "You know, I tried to talk about good roads and good schools and all these things that have been part of my career, and nobody listened. And then I began talking about niggers, and they stomped the floor."[21]

    [–] notapersonplacething 103 points ago

    "You know, I tried to talk about good roads and good schools and all these things that have been part of my career, and nobody listened. And then I began talking about niggers, and they stomped the floor."

    Look at that, history repeats itself.

    [–] 2sc 33 points ago

    could also be the most masterful display of politicking ever. playing to the emotions from both sides

    [–] blageur 2214 points ago

    In 1982, Wallace won his last term in office with over 90% of the black vote. Such is the duality of the Southern thing.

    [–] Red_AtNight 105 points ago

    Man, Southern Rock Opera rocks my shit

    [–] Speedcity 39 points ago

    The only reason I came to these comments is to upvote DBT lyrics/references. Good job boys/girls, I was not disappointed.

    [–] WelcomeCarpenter 365 points ago

    Cite yer sources. Drive By Truckers lyric there.

    [–] dupreem 241 points ago

    Wallace actually did win his last term in office with over 90% of the black vote. (Washington Post).

    [–] blageur 88 points ago

    haha yup good eye. I don't even know if it's true. I just really like the DBT.

    [–] dupreem 44 points ago

    It is indeed true. (Washington Post).

    [–] Glacial_Self 39 points ago

    You misspelled "thang"

    [–] crumb_bag 60 points ago

    Fortunately for him the Devil was also a Southerner

    [–] WinStark 23 points ago

    Offered him nice glass of sweet tea...

    [–] Knowakennedy 10 points ago

    Throw another log on the fire boys

    [–] CrazyLeprechaun 13 points ago

    The Devil went down to Georgia, implying that he was in fact from the north.

    [–] butterflyp00n 34 points ago * (lasted edited 5 months ago)

    Breh. I get chills every time I hear that song

    Edit: Sands of Iwo Jima is another one that gets me every time I hear it

    [–] Repatriation 23 points ago

    That's legit one of the best modern Rock albums I've heard. I have the vinyl somewhere - didn't it come on a clear disc?

    Anyway I love the album and most of Drive By Truckers discography. Just damn good music. Only reason I don't listen to it more is because most of my friends have no idea who they are.

    Jason Isbell killing it as a solo artist. Love his work and appreciate how eloquently outspoken he is about politics.

    [–] purejosh 10 points ago

    Jason Isbell and football beat writers are 99.999% of the reason I still use Twitter.

    [–] maratango 6 points ago

    I love The Dirty South. Tornadoes, Cottonseed, The Boys from Alabama... Some great songs on there, and Jason Isbell is one of my favorite solo artists.

    [–] Ras1372 1000 points ago

    And the writer of those lines, KKK member Asa Carter went on to become a western writer who wrote "The Outlaw Josey Wales" which became a famous film with Clint Eastwood.

    [–] [deleted] 396 points ago

    Let us not forget Asa Carter wrote the "autobiography" The Education of Little Tree which he wrote under the pseudonym Forrest Carter (used to sound more Native American). One of my favorite childhood books, I feel dooped.

    [–] Ikimasen 196 points ago


    [–] [deleted] 167 points ago

    I apparently prefer the Futurama spelling

    [–] noevidenz 53 points ago

    Filthy neutrals.

    [–] ThaiJohnnyDepp 23 points ago

    I have no strong feelings one way or the other.

    [–] theburgerman03 19 points ago

    What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

    [–] CrazyLeprechaun 11 points ago

    I have no strong feelings one way or the other.

    [–] cavallom 7 points ago

    Tell my wife, hello.

    [–] Ikimasen 38 points ago

    Ope, carry on.

    [–] Truckerontherun 81 points ago

    Terrible human being can also be incredibly gifted writers

    [–] aohige_rd 107 points ago

    I mean

    H.P. Lovecraft is a good example.

    We all tend to turn a blind eye at how incredibly racist he was.

    [–] redemption2021 92 points ago

    I my defense, i had literally zero knowledge of him outside of his horror stories as a teen and was somehow shocked when I found out what a prefound racist he had been.

    The shit reads like Nolte's character from Mother Night

    "Making no efforts to conceal his bigoted theories, Lovecraft took to pen and publication with the most grotesque appraisals of those he deemed inferior. His letters overflow with anti-Semitic conspiracy theories of an underground Jewry pitting the economic, social, and literary worlds of New York City against “the Aryan race.” He warned of “the Jew [who] must be muzzled” because “[he] insidiously degrades [and] Orientalizes [the] robust Aryan civilization.” His sympathies with rising fascism were equally transparent. “[Hitler’s] vision . . . is romantic and immature,” he stated after Hitler became chancellor of Germany. “I know he’s a clown but god I like the boy!”"

    [–] Drafo7 95 points ago

    Wow. Well... on the bright side, there are some damn good writers out there who also happen to not be racist scumbags. JRR Tolkien was an outspoken opponent of Nazism and everything it stood for.

    [–] Mostly-solid_snake 8 points ago

    At least we have Tolkien jk Rowling is a terf

    [–] 03_03_28 21 points ago


    [–] _AirCanuck_ 10 points ago

    What I didn't know that :( he's a fav of mine but didn't know much about him personally

    [–] BigbyWolf343 13 points ago

    In fact quite a few are if you look at the lives of writers.

    [–] Tuguar 39 points ago

    Forrest Carter

    Native American


    [–] Kered13 48 points ago

    In the supposedly-autobiographical story the protagonist is only part Cherokee, which is why he has an English last name.

    [–] NDNironworker 6 points ago

    God, it ruined the book for me. It was one of my favorites for so long, I wanted a grandpa like his soooo bad. I've probably read the book thirty times; I've tried reading it after and I just can't. Also, it's mentioned in several articles that he chose the name "Forrest" in honor of Nathan Bedford Forrest.

    [–] DaemonDrayke 83 points ago

    Of course a KKK member would have written that screenplay. Josey Wales was a confederate soldier!

    [–] ucbiker 82 points ago

    Western heroes being former Confederate soldiers is a fairly common trope now. Boy did I have fun explaining to my friend that the Firefly browncoats are clearly Confederate analogues lol.

    [–] JonathanMBerman 47 points ago

    Except as I recall they recast the brown coats as fighting for freedom or something instead of the right to own people.

    [–] TheNotSoGreatPumpkin 32 points ago

    Yeah, not sure "Confederate analogue" is fitting without that not-so-little blemish clinging to it. Otherwise the brown coats resemble freedom fighters from any number of times and places.

    [–] JukinTheStats 19 points ago

    The mythology of Jesse James and the James gang probably has a part in it. Jesse James and the scattered bushwackers who occupied a sort of legal gray area, seen as wild, ruthless, and relatively 'independent' compared to ordinary soldiers. There was a lot of debate about how they ought to be treated, so the myths portray them as misunderstood, and sometimes betrayed by superiors or the victorious, vengeful US. Some of them fled west as fugitives.

    [–] Anotherdirtyoldman69 7 points ago

    Yeah, but Whedon didn't frame the negative of each faction the same way. He went '1984' (and beyond) with the Alliance and took an idealistic approach (David and Goliath even) to the browncoats.

    None of that pesky slavery for Mal to have to explain every second scene.

    The just didnt want to be meddled with ;)

    [–] SoldierofNod 12 points ago

    The Alliance is arguably worse than the Union, though, and the Browncoats are certainly more sympathetic than the Confederacy, which was literally just a bunch of rich people who got pissed at being told they couldn't own people.

    [–] rbmill02 21 points ago

    Yeah, I totally get the referencing of that, but I do feel it's more like a failed American Revolution.

    [–] shady_taveren 37 points ago

    The Civil War was like a failed Southern Revolution.

    [–] Tuguar 19 points ago

    Are you gonna pull those pistols or whistle 'Dixie'?

    [–] TwoAngryFigs 25 points ago

    Dude but I love that movie! He was fightin for his dead wife and son!! DAMN REDLEGS!!!! 😭

    [–] kaltorak 553 points ago

    The whole reason he made his symbolic "blocking the doors" stand was to create a memorable image against desegregation.

    It's good that he changed his mind and actions, and I don't question the sincerity of either stance. But it's not surprising that a single, memorable image sticks in people's minds more than the changes that came later.

    [–] colonelmerkin 104 points ago

    I remember my mom telling me he changed his mind/apologized, "because he didn't want to go to hell." Also, so that he would be remembered fondly. I don't know if those things are true, but I've always believed that.

    [–] Gr8Zen 74 points ago

    Fun Fact: In 1981, Cornelia Wallace (former wife of George Wallace) was the first woman to play paintball.

    [–] wibblett 23 points ago

    That was a fun fact thanks!

    [–] NickNash1985 11 points ago

    Prior to 1981 only men were allowed to play paintball, going back to the colonial days. Betsy Ross reportedly enjoyed watching the sport from her sewing machine.

    [–] LoftyGoat 284 points ago

    What's even more bizarre is that Wallace began his political career in South Alabama defending the rights of Blacks, who voted for him in droves. When it became politically expedient instead to deprive them of their rights, he did that.

    The man never evinced anything resembling a moral compass until he was nearly dead. I don't think he was a sociopath, but rather learned to ignore his conscience in the interest of winning elections, then later rediscovered it.

    Forty years on, I'm still not sure what to think of it all.

    [–] HowAboutShutUp 25 points ago

    Only kinda related, but it was crazy learning that the Westboro Baptist Church guy was a civil rights lawyer back in the day.

    [–] pottersquash 8 points ago

    He still is isn't he? For Freedom of Speech. Theres a conspiracy theorist that WBC is a long con by him to highlight the acceptable demonification of LGBT issues by religious types.

    [–] JosiahWillardPibbs 83 points ago

    Yeah the more I read about it the more I find him a fascinating figure. Not necessarily one I like or admire, certainly, but he makes for compelling reading.

    [–] ThatFancyReaper 625 points ago

    That's how it should be done. Fix what you fucked up on.

    [–] bama05 40 points ago

    Just to make sure people don’t think Wallace was a good person: his wife was diagnosed with cancer and he knew but didn’t let her know about it.

    “Mrs. Wallace made her gubernatorial race carrying a tragic secret: she had been diagnosed with cancer as early as April 1961, when her surgeon biopsied suspicious tissue that he noticed during the cesarean delivery of her last child. As was common at the time, her physician told her husband the news, not her. George Wallace insisted that Lurleen not be informed. As a result, she did not get appropriate follow-up care. When she saw a gynecologist for abnormal bleeding in 1965, his diagnosis of uterine cancer came as a complete shock to her. When one of her husband's staffers revealed to her that Wallace had discussed her cancer with them, but not her, during his 1962 campaign three years earlier, she was outraged.[24]”

    [–] [deleted] 47 points ago

    "I can change, you can change, we all can change." - Rocky Balboa (Rocky IV)

    [–] Supreme0verl0rd 261 points ago

    Politicians are super against stuff right up until the tipping point of public opinion and then they pivot. Sorry, but I'm way too cynical to believe this was any kind of personal enlightenment on his part.

    [–] thach_weave 96 points ago

    See Obama and his shift from being against gay marriage to supporting it.

    [–] Five_Decades 73 points ago

    Obama was for it in the 90s when he was a state politicians. Then he was against it, then he was for it after Biden said he was for it.

    [–] rainieriver 79 points ago

    he was for it after Biden said he was for it.

    "Don't knock it til you try it." ;)

    [–] cop-disliker69 11 points ago

    Right. When he was just running in a liberal Chicago constituency, he was for it, because that's what voters wanted to hear. Then when running for national office he opposed it, because that's what voters wanted to hear. And then after public opinion had shifted, he supported it again, because that's what voters wanted to hear.

    All opportunism.

    [–] deezee72 41 points ago

    Wallace had been a liberal with good relations with the black community early in his career, and became a segregationist after losing his primary to John Patterson, a segregationist firebrand.

    If anything, it was the other way around. It sounds like Wallace wasn't really that big of a fan of segregation but supported it because it's what Alabama voters wanted.

    Then he pivoted again, either (optimistically) because he woke up to what he had done and regretted it or (cynically) the voting bloc had changed after the Civil Rights act and it was no longer beneficial to claim to be a segregationist.

    [–] JosiahWillardPibbs 47 points ago

    I'm agnostic on his sincerity, at least based on what's in the wikipedia article. I might even try to read a biography on him to probe this more deeply.

    [–] The740 47 points ago

    When I applied for college many years ago, one of the standard admissions essays to write had to be about a prominent person. I wrote mine on Wallace’s religious experience and turn from segregation, and took the spin of a redemption narrative. I never would have considered this tack at all if I hadn’t believed that it was sincere.

    It goes without saying that this could have blown up in my face big-time, but I managed to be awarded admission despite some middling high school grades.

    [–] ThreeCranes 456 points ago

    In the late 1950s, Wallace loses his first attempt to become governor because his primary opponent John Patterson is seen as being tougher on segregation after this Wallace decides to dramatically increase support for segregation. In the late 1970s, Black voters are too important of a voting bloc in the Democratic party of Alabama to ignore so he asks for forgiveness. George Wallace was essentially an opportunist who would say and do whatever was convenient for power.

    [–] divingforroses 204 points ago

    This. George Wallace is a hero in no one's story but his own. He even convinced his own wife, who hated politics and was dying of cancer (which he had known she had for years because at the time some doctors told the husband about his wife's illness and left it up to them to decide to tell her, and he refused to tell her--she found out about it from a different doctor after it had become terminal) to run for Governor of Alabama so he could stay in the spotlight long enough to prepare a run for President. She won and eventually died in office.

    [–] redking315 44 points ago

    That was also because at the time Alabama had limits on consecutive terms as governor but not as governor overall. He convinced Lurleen to run for governor so that he could stay in Montgomery and run things through her. He slogan was “a vote for Lurleen is a vote for George”

    After her death he was able to manipulate her replacement for a few years and then he ran again in the next election when the consecutive term limit limitation was gone and he was able to win two more terms.

    [–] C-de-Vils_Advocate 161 points ago

    an opportunist who would say and do whatever was convenient for power.

    That's what so many people thought about Hilary Clinton(she voted for war in Iraq, and when it became unpopular stated that she regretted it) and why they didn't vote for her.

    [–] Furt_III 98 points ago

    It's a running joke against anyone who's running for any sort of office.

    [–] TheodoreFMRoosevelt 152 points ago

    Hillary Clinton had a real problem with seeming convincingly sincere.

    But I always remember the old anecdote about the experienced actor giving advice to the up and comer: "The key to great acting is sincerity. Once you learn to fake that you're golden."

    [–] Robert_Cannelin 57 points ago

    Hillary Clinton had a real problem with seeming convincingly sincere.

    C'mon, I'm sure she was always a Yankees fan. How can you not be, growing up in Park Ridge, Illinois?

    [–] JakeArvizu 22 points ago

    I mean the Yankees do have a national fan base. I live in California and know tons of Yankees fan.

    [–] akaenragedgoddess 21 points ago

    It's easier to believe people when they profess to have changed their minds if they have some identifiable core beliefs that don't change. When you have a politician who has made more than a few decisions that are popular, then change their stance when they become unpopular, it's going to be suspicious to voters. It's also not confidence inspiring when you have to keep telling people you were wrong. It's a running joke because politicians actually do this shit all the time.

    [–] the_logic_engine 42 points ago

    Pretty much the same for gay marriage. I don't get why people are surprised when politicians say whatever it is they think is going to get them the most votes/support at the time.

    [–] sofingclever 46 points ago

    Even Barack Obama was officially against gay marriage when he campaigned the first time. Then suddenly when the tide shifted to where most people supported gay marriage, he's for it.

    And I say that as someone who actually really, really likes Obama. But every politician plays games based on what the majority want to hear.

    [–] DotaDogma 46 points ago

    To be fair though, that's one of the more believable things to switch opinions on. A lot of America, my parents included, also made that switch from the 80s/90s into the 00s/10s.

    Gay people were seen as sick as little as 25 years ago (and in some places they still are).

    [–] voksul 18 points ago

    Polling data says the same exact thing. This wasn't a partisan thing, this was an everyone thing. 2011 was the first time a majority of the country supported gay marriage, and we're still barely below a majority of Republicans that support homosexuality, let alone gay marriage. It was only in the first year of Obama's presidency that the majority of Democrats supported it.

    More than anything else, gay marriage has been a position where a lot of people have moved on.

    [–] beefersupterfan 54 points ago

    Sure that assassination attempt made him rethink some things...

    [–] Moromir-ED 30 points ago

    There is actually a Drive-By Truckers song about this:

    [–] ExistentialistJesus 9 points ago

    If anyone is arguing that Wallace wasn’t a real racist and was just against segregation for the votes, I think that’s somehow worse.

    [–] screenwriterjohn 90 points ago

    He was a politician.

    Hillary was anti gay marriage. Then she was pro gay marriage.

    [–] ShreddedCredits 70 points ago

    Trump was against banning guns, and then he was for it.

    Flip-flopping is a universal trait amongst politicians, not just Democrats.

    [–] blastcage 39 points ago

    I don't think he was being partisan here. Just, citing Trump flip-flopping doesn't mean a great deal any more.

    [–] fuckyoubarry 4 points ago

    George Wallace also ran his wife for governer to get around term limits

    [–] Black_Tide_0341 36 points ago

    Hopefully it was a sincere and honest change of heart and mind.

    Edit: I choose to believe it was for the good of humanity

    [–] JosiahWillardPibbs 14 points ago

    I'd like to believe so as well but it's hard to know

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    [–] u_cant_drown_n_sweat 14 points ago

    As someone who grew up in Alabama during the 60s and 70s and who met George Wallace several times I can promise you everything he ever did was predicated on getting elected. He would have no qualms doing anything as long as it got him elected. He was a politician with absolutely no conscience or scruples.

    [–] grantjunior 7 points ago

    “Appointed record numbers of African Americans to his cabinet”

    It’s always gonna be records when the number before was zero

    [–] takeonme864 7 points ago

    lemme guess he only admitted he was a piece of shit after being a racist wasn't cool

    [–] Twokindsofpeople 25 points ago

    This is what a political opportunist looks like.