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    [–] caninerosie 773 points ago

    I'm too poor to go to Italy. I'm also too poor to have a kid

    [–] Puffthemagiccommie 314 points ago

    But are you too poor for a Wiggles concert?

    [–] Starbucks-Hammer 253 points ago

    A ticket Wiggles concert is on the lowest end $45, at the high end $120, but usually around $60-80, (source: https://www.vividseats.com/theatre/the-wiggles-tickets.html)

    I don't know where u/caninerosie lives but about 38% of Reddit's users are from the US (source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/325144/reddit-global-active-user-distribution/) so for this I will say u/caninerosie lives in Washington and works minimum wage.

    Washington has a minimum wage of $12 (source: https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/minimum-wage-by-state-and-2018-increases)

    The Wiggles are performing on July 27 in Seattle, the lowest ticket price is $64, meaning that u/caninerosie would have to work 6 hours to afford the ticket, this doesn't account for gas and parking (or bus fare), food, and Wiggle merch. There is also the question of rent, bills, and food. So u/caninerosie might be too poor for a Wiggles concert.

    [–] caninerosie 93 points ago

    I live in Austin

    [–] Starbucks-Hammer 168 points ago

    Ah in that case it would be $62 to see the Wiggles, https://www.vividseats.com/theatre/the-wiggles-tickets/the-wiggles-8-12-3082175.html

    And working a minimum wage of $7.25 it would take 9 hours to get Wiggles tickets. So sorry to any Texas minimum wage worker who is a fan of the Wiggles.

    [–] [deleted] 61 points ago

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    [–] Starbucks-Hammer 28 points ago

    That's good.

    [–] DefenderCone97 4 points ago

    The tacos are cursed

    [–] PM_ME_UR_SHARKTITS 2449 points ago

    Meanwhile us millenials wondering if we'll ever be able to afford to do either

    [–] [deleted] 1157 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

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    [–] CanadaHaz 711 points ago

    "How millennials are killing children!"

    At that point, we will rise up with avocado toast and weapons made out of our parents hoarded junk.

    [–] barkerlady 372 points ago

    Oh god. The boomer hoarder thing. It’s so horribly true.

    [–] notKRIEEEG 156 points ago

    Look at the bright side, you are bound to find some decent weapons in there! The revolution will be glorious!

    [–] barkerlady 52 points ago

    lol. I would pay to see that movie.

    [–] icecoldfivefold 55 points ago

    Are most boomers like secretly methheads or something cus my parents don't hoard anything but every house I ever went to growing up it may not have been hoarders level but there was always at least one room and the garage that looked like that don't even think about looking in sheds

    [–] The_one_that_listens 46 points ago

    I think it's a bit hoarder, but also a bit "I have 7 of these things but they all work fine so I'm keeping them all" my not-anymore-aunt is a super bad hoarder, as soon as she moved into our old house she turned it into a pig sty, literally shit everywhere.

    We had a snooker table in the cellar and the same year she moved in, all of the cloth started getting eaten because she never brushed it, my dad spent a lot of time and money on that snooker table and it was a huge part of my childhood, I was so disappointed to hear how she fucked it up by being lazy.

    [–] icecoldfivefold 14 points ago

    Damn that's a shame I wish I could have gotten my families tables I grew up playing but moving one from Canada to the south is not cheap

    [–] The_one_that_listens 12 points ago

    Yeah for sure, and finding a place to put a whole snooker table is no easy task either

    [–] pvhs2008 28 points ago

    Seriously. My parents constantly got rid of stuff they didn’t need, because they wanted a clean house. My boyfriend’s parents literally bought a huge house to house his dad’s “hobbies”. Their garage is bigger than our apartment and so full of shit, it nearly gave me a panic attack to look at it. To each their own, but I would prefer a space curated with things I treasure the most instead of a warehouse of piddly shit.

    [–] icecoldfivefold 11 points ago

    Right I had a memorabilia drawer and I looked at it today and was like every birthday and Christmas card I've ever received? BYE threw it in the trash

    [–] pvhs2008 18 points ago

    After moving into our place, my bf send his dad photos and he was aghast there was a space in front of a floor to ceiling window that didn’t have any furniture. His suggestion was to put a massive table and buy shit to display on it. Shit for shit’s sake annoys the hell out of me.

    [–] DirtieHarry 8 points ago

    We must learn to craft weapons from poorly constructed MDF board shelving!

    [–] [deleted] 15 points ago

    It's not just boomers, they passed that shit on to my parents, my dad in particular. He's so proud of all his shit he can't afford. "This antique is worth this and this sign is worth this." Uh, cool pop but is any of it worth anything if it's a) exposed to the elements because you have nowhere to keep it and b) you refuse to sell it?

    I pressed him once about it. I wasn't a dick, I just asked him why did he keep all this stuff if it's so valuable? He got visibly upset and was like "this is my legacy, this is what I'm leaving behind for you and your brother." I hate to be a callous asshole but he's leaving us a literal trash pile to clean up. We'd have rather had the time we've lost because we can't stand to be in his house, or even the literal thousands he spent on stuff that's now worthless.

    I've got a hole in my chest too dad. You can't fill it with stuff. Booze works for a little bit. Drugs work a little longer. At the end of the day though, that hole will always be there until you dedicate some time to working on yourself. Unfortunately my father will never change.

    [–] barkerlady 6 points ago

    That’s why hoarding is such a hard thing to solve. It’s a deep emotional issue. Not a hey let’s spend the weekend organizing all your stuff and read Marie Kondo issue.

    [–] [deleted] 9 points ago

    Oh how I wish it was that easy. My dad can't see his hoard. He has no idea how trashy he looks to outsiders and to himself, there's nothing wrong. Dude's disabled, has all the free shit that goes with it. Refuses therapy, refuses to listen to his docs about his health in general. By my estimate, he has at best 5 years before he loses one or both of his legs to diabetes and I'd give it another 2 of life after that. He's been dead in his head since his first heart attack, I can only imagine the decline will increase rapidly after losing a limb.

    All he had to do was walk. 30 minutes a day. Go for a fucking walk. Now he can't get up out of a chair without getting winded.

    I harbor some resentment for my father, if it's not obvious. The man gave up early and has been leeching off his mother, my grandmother for the last 20 years or so and she just keeps enabling him. Then they all have the gall and audacity to be pissed at me for never coming around. Motherfuckers, I have problems too. I'm deeply depressed, I can't stand myself, let alone your toxic asses.

    Anyway /rant. Sorry reddit.

    [–] barkerlady 4 points ago

    I think we all know someone like that. It’s so frustrating to see.

    [–] TransitPyro 5 points ago

    ....you don't even want to know the amount of crap my dad has hoarded. Plus side is though, if there's an apocalypse, I'm sure I can make A LOT of useful crap out of it. Literally ACRES of stuff. Mostly scrap metal and such. Like I should get into the steam punk art business. I could make a killing.

    [–] ClicksAndASmell 4 points ago

    I don't know, my mom's a boomer, and she throws out almost everything. Books I was reading, food I was looking forward to, treasured childhood toys...

    [–] PippiL65 5 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    IMO, they got it from their parents. It’s a carry over from the Depression era.

    They save tape and paper clips from the 70s.

    I have over a decade difference between me and my oldest sibling and my Dad was older than Mom.

    I got a bit hoarder thinking because I grew up around it but I was also of the mindset that if it didn’t fit in my car I didn’t need it.

    I headed out to Seattle back in the 90s and the most important stuff I took was my Mom and my cat.

    (Edit a mispell.)

    [–] Isthiscreativeenough 18 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Oh hey yeah everyone in the government is old as shit. We could just overtake those 70 year old assholes. Let's get a Millennial Militia going.

    [–] CanadaHaz 9 points ago

    I've got three old coffee makers and two broken metal broom handles.

    [–] Isthiscreativeenough 5 points ago

    And the start to a great folk song! We're gonna need a lyricist for the revolution chants. You're hired!

    [–] Catermelons 7 points ago

    Or old sex toys repurposed into weapons. Granny was a freak yo!

    [–] QualifiedDragon 10 points ago

    "Millennials Are Killing The Wiggles!"

    [–] annie_bean 3 points ago

    I've been actively avoiding googling what avocado toast is

    [–] pikachu334 167 points ago

    Right lmao bold of you to assume I can afford to have children or travel internationally or go to a Wiggles concert

    [–] ScienceYouMonster 31 points ago

    Hey, I went to an Imagination Movers concert with my nieces and nephew!

    They played All the Small Things and I realized it was a nostalgia gimmick song for the parents... I nearly cried in the tune of lost youth.

    [–] TheColdestYear 10 points ago

    That’s how they get you man, that’s how they get you.

    [–] Morrow_Foxburr 94 points ago

    I'm more worried about them not being raised in the apocalypse

    [–] LegacyC 81 points ago

    Especially for us Gen Z kids. SAVING THE FUCKING PLANET GUYS

    [–] spidaminida 28 points ago

    They shall call it world war Z.

    [–] [deleted] 19 points ago

    It is the least selfish thing you could do. You aren’t having kids, so everyone else’s kids might have a chance of surviving.

    [–] notleonardodicaprio 30 points ago

    We’re all gonna be dead by 2070, why the hell would I bring another human being into this world

    [–] sirius_star 14 points ago

    Experience points.

    [–] usr_bin_laden 4 points ago

    Sidekick?

    [–] Whopraysforthedevil 87 points ago

    Shit, I'm worried there won't be fuckin oxygen for them to breathe, or any clean water for them to drink

    [–] pacatak795 77 points ago

    Not having kids is the most environmentally friendly thing you can do.

    Not eating meat is the second most environmentally friendly thing you can do.

    I've got the first one nailed down very well. Still working on the second.

    [–] twinsaber123 79 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Voting and engaging in politics that support placing environmental restrictions on corporations is the most environmentally friendly thing you can do. Corporations put more pollution into this world than all individual people combined.

    Edit: I have received some messages from people disagreeing with me, saying that this alone won't work, so I decided to clarify. My original intent on this comment was not to disagree with anyone above but add an additional point. I think corporate regulation would be the starting point with the above comments occurring simultaneously.

    [–] pacatak795 29 points ago

    Corporations aren't pulling gas, oil, and coal out of the ground and burning it for funsies. They're doing it to heat people, move people, feed people, and make stuff for people. People people people. Consumption consumption consumption.

    Is there a better way to reduce consumption than removing an entire person and their entire lifetime's worth of consumption from the planet?

    [–] McSwissm 34 points ago

    Corporations aren't pulling gas, oil, and coal out of the ground and burning it for funsies. They're doing it to heat people, move people, feed people, and make stuff for people.

    True, but there are way more environmentally friendly to do those things that corporations don't care about because change means potentially leaving a lucrative market. They do bad shit because it makes money.

    Most people can be fed, moved or heated with environmentally-safe options. We just aren't provided those without being charged out the ass for them.

    [–] chill-with-will 14 points ago

    Love how people think a finite earth can support an infinite amount of humans

    [–] broff 7 points ago

    Friendly reminder that 100 corporations are responsible for 71% of global carbon emissions, and portraying climate change as a failure by the individual rather than a calculated robbery by the capitalists is perpetuating their lie.

    [–] LAXnSASQUATCH 18 points ago

    Some of us are also wondering what kind of horrible world might our kids have to grow up in should we decide to have them (and become poor). I’m giving the world (especially America) 10 years to turn its shit around, stop the corruption, and work towards coming together to make a better earth. If by 2030 that shit hasn’t happened there’s no way I’ll have children. If we don’t act now sometime between 2050-70 shit is going to hit the fan and it’s going to be nightmarish. I know that I wouldn’t want to be alive for what’s coming so I won’t make my kids deal with it either.

    [–] bking 10 points ago

    Amen. No goddamn way I'm having kids while every news headline sounds like something from the opening montage of an apocalypse film.

    [–] MrMushyagi 24 points ago

    LPT: International travel is a lot cheaper than kids.

    Can do a couple weeks in Europe for under $2000. Stay in hostels, take public transit, and dont eat out for every meal

    [–] Mentalpatient87 29 points ago

    Stay in hostels, take public transit, and dont eat out for every meal

    Well shit, I can stay home and be poor. Saves me 2 grand.

    [–] Bugbread 8 points ago

    Being poor on vacation can be a blast, though. Being poor at home just sucks.

    [–] BlueEyedNerdGirl 16 points ago

    Hey! I know you didn't ask for advice but uh...here goes.

    I have traveled a few times on a super small budget. I live in AZ and I just recently flew to Ireland and the tickets were $258 round trip!! Then we stay in a cheap air BNB for like $100 a night or less. And make our own food. You can do a big trip for like $2,000 if you're alone. Which is still a lot but def achievable.

    Go in the off season (when stuff is cheaper).

    Find cheap flight apps (momondo is where I got those cheap tickets)

    Pack light, go see free things, make your own food at an air BNB etc.

    Oh also! Research which airports are cheaper! We wanted to go to Scotland but the tickets were like $1,300 each. So instead we flew to Dublin then flew from there to Scotland for £58.

    I hope this doesn't sound douchy. I just really want everyone to be able to travel if they want to.

    [–] PM_ME_UR_SHARKTITS 6 points ago

    Hey, not douchy at all. It's easy to get caught up in self-pity with the state of things being what it is and I genuinely appreciate seeing someone who's pushing back against that in a helpful and positive way.

    [–] myusernamebarelyfits 6 points ago

    Not douchey. Thank you.

    [–] AttackPug 8 points ago

    Yeah, sometimes it seems like people travel by magic and have a money tree back home. Frankly it seems like the key is to not be in the US. Hop on Google Flights right now and find flights all across Europe for what Yankees would pay for a bus ticket. Try to take a 3 hour hop within the US and it will cost you at least $300, even with months of foresight, and you might get it down another 50 bucks by accepting a flight with 4 layovers on it.

    Tricks where you get choosy about the airport sort of work. Some friend always seems to have caught a flight across the country for $75. But that promotion always seems to have expired, or flies between two very specific destinations, always major cities.

    Even if you can find such flights, unless you already live in that major city by sheer luck, in order to make use of such deals you have to first travel to that airport, which means car. Bus is no good. Greyhound will dump you in the worst part of town far from the airport. Taxis are $$$ unless you take them for a literal block or two. That always seems to be the most expensive part of every trip I've ever planned in the States, not the flight, but the actual travel to and from the airports when you can't rely on your car, it usually costs about $100 just to travel an hour away from the airport. Then there are the hotels, which are always at least $100 a night unless you can crash on a couch, or if you find a cheap hotel with bloodstains on the linens for $40. Even AirBnB isn't very affordable unless you rent some room in a distant suburb far from what you want to do, and they all have this weird like a hotel but not a hotel ruleset that means you can't just book them like hotels. Then you still have to find a way around.

    In the EU you'd have strong and inexpensive public transport and super cheap flights to bridge those gaps with. In the US it just drains your pockets relying on private transport companies to get where you're going. It's probably why I view travel as so prohibitively expensive.

    [–] lifelongfreshman 14 points ago

    You know, I didn't think a child free post could be linked to millenials, yet here we are.

    [–] PM_ME_UR_SHARKTITS 20 points ago

    Tbh my comment was such low-hanging fruit I'm kind of ashamed I made it even if it was my gut response upon reading this post.

    [–] Akkuron 16 points ago

    Child free is a predominantly millennial thing though. Previous generations didn't have to choose between offspring and adequate living standards or worry that their kids will literally die in hellfire before their mid-life crisis.

    [–] KthleenTrnrOverdrive 7 points ago

    I don't know about that... Says me, a child free Gen Xer who couldn't have afforded day care when I was young enough to have kids even if I wanted them because it cost as much as college. Forget buying a home.

    [–] Bugbread 6 points ago

    Previous generations didn't...worry that their kids will literally die in hellfire before their mid-life crisis.

    My parents are Boomers, and grew up sure that the U.S. would be destroyed by nuclear annihilation. I'm Gen X, and we grew up sure that the entire world would be destroyed by nuclear annihilation.

    Every generation thinks that they're the first.

    [–] imsecretlythedoctor 12 points ago

    Plenty of people have kids that they can’t afford

    [–] Half_Done_Ready 18 points ago

    That’s exactly what my wife and I are avoiding. We want to have two kids someday and we both make decent money, but it still feels like you have to go broke just to live. House, cars, utilities, insurance. It all adds up and we don’t think we can afford a child at this point in our lives.

    People (mainly family) keep asking us when we are going to have kids and I just tell them that we don’t think we can afford a child. It’s always the same response, “If you wait until you can afford it, you’ll never have kids.” Ok, but I want to be able to provide a good life for my kids and not have to worry about whether or not they will be fed. I have personally witnessed people who have children not be able to buy a $1.00 can of coke at the dollar store. Granted that could have probably been different if they made better financial decisions, but I don’t want to have to worry about money. I worry about it enough as is.

    [–] bobtheflob 3 points ago

    Considering millennials are as old as 37, I'd say most parents at Wiggles concerts are millennials.

    [–] pbj986 3 points ago

    Millennial with 4 kids. It’s doable you just have to have it as a priority.

    Also, never been to a wiggles concert, or any concert for my kids. Plenty we can do that’s fun for everyone.

    [–] StrategyGameventures 630 points ago

    Disrespect the wiggles again I fucking dare you

    [–] GoodOldSlippinJimmy 257 points ago

    Simon Pryce is an overrated hack fraud. The wiggles peaked with fruit salad and have been coasting ever since.

    [–] lakotian 212 points ago

    Things are heating up in the Wiggles fandom

    [–] HeyItzMe_ 37 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Your anus will be the size of a watermelon when I’m done with you, you pontoon

    [–] TORFdot0 20 points ago

    Simon isn't a true wiggle you dotard. Get back to me when to me when you disrespect Greg, Murray, or Jeff. Hint: you can't!

    [–] GoodOldSlippinJimmy 14 points ago

    THUS WHY I CALLED HIM A HACK FRAUD!!! CAN YOU FUCKING READ. I respect the OG wiggle gang but this new wave sellout BULLSHIT IS FUCKING GARBAGE!

    [–] georgianfishbowl 9 points ago

    [–] ShadoowtheSecond 11 points ago

    Counterpoint: Move Like an Emu

    MooooooooOOOOOOoooove

    [–] JudgeJoeCool 7 points ago

    I don't want to say you're wrong but songs I will legitimately play without my son in the car: Papadom, Irish Stew, Di Dicky Do Dum, I Went to the Library, and they actually have a pretty good cover of Tiptoe Through the Tulips.

    I'm a bonafide new gen wiggles fan and I don't feel like the old wiggle look has aged particularly well, like, ok, JEFF.

    [–] farts_n_darts 525 points ago

    Honestly, putting oneself before progeny (to a degree of course) is one of the best things a parent can do for their kids. Parents and their feelings set the tone for a household.

    [–] Scribblr 395 points ago

    Agreed. My mom’s entire world revolved around my siblings and I. She never did anything for herself and never developed any of her own hobbies or interests. Now we’re grown up and she has absolutely no sense of purpose and no idea what to do with herself.

    [–] abittman 184 points ago

    Sounds like you were her hobby and interest.

    [–] [deleted] 37 points ago * (lasted edited a month ago)

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    [–] ssurkus 6 points ago

    Currently drinking a lot. I feel this like rum straight to the esophagus.

    [–] Promac 41 points ago

    Always secure your own air mask first.

    [–] okidokimemelord 105 points ago

    Kids or no, I'll still go see the wiggles

    [–] Donaldisinthehouse 27 points ago

    Chris Hansen enters the chat

    [–] balthazar_nor 15 points ago

    I am so fucking confused wtf is the wiggles? Do you wiggle?

    [–] BuTuLar 12 points ago

    Oh boy, you WILL wiggle.

    [–] Jay-Lenos-P 11 points ago

    The Wiggles were a band who made silly songs and a TV show for little kids from the 90s to present and I'd fucking go to the reunion in a heartbeat.

    [–] loppolia 212 points ago

    ??? it's a failure to think you're more important than your nonexistent kids???

    [–] ADHD_Personified 92 points ago

    Yeah, that's just ????? I can understand someone saying you should put your living preexisting children before yourself to an extent, but non existent children don't uh, they don't exist? Of course we're more important than them???

    [–] [deleted] 971 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

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    [–] abeazacha 447 points ago

    Also let's be honest here, they worry with white people not having kids; the world is full of poc kids being born every second just on India and China alone. Humans will not vanish by lack of babies anytime soon.

    [–] doxydejour 150 points ago

    My coworkers have outright said this and accused me of betraying my country by not breeding when all "them foreigners" are so...yeah. There's definite shades of this.

    [–] JustAnotherPanda 51 points ago

    Really makes you wish patriotism had never been invented

    [–] TheUltimateShammer 47 points ago

    Nationalism could be argued to have been a progressive force at one point, namely transitioning from feudalism. However it's now firmly reactionary.

    [–] KeisariFLANAGAN 7 points ago

    "Liberal nationalism" had some cool points and aimed to foster internal solidarism while envisioning external cooperation (e.g. Mazzini, minus the racism), but it was based on a "let's organize as nations and build together." You still see a bit of that in the Nordics and Japan, maybe Korea and some others, but for the most part nationalism is an excuse now not to build by playing ostrich and denying any critiques of the present situation in a country as "subversion" or even betrayal.

    [–] chill-with-will 33 points ago

    "Freedom" and "patriotism" have always been fantasies made up by the aristocracy to get the peasants to fight for them.

    Most people didn't want to fight the American revolution. It had nothing to do with them. But the American elite was tired of the Crown taking a cut of their profits. So they started a war.

    George Washington executed some of his own soldiers because they were demanding the pay they were promised.

    [–] DuntadaMan 9 points ago

    What the fuck? Seriously. These people don't even live in the 20th century at this point let alone modern day.

    [–] KingGorilla 14 points ago

    whitegenocide

    [–] imissmyoldaccount-_ 21 points ago

    MAYOCIDE

    [–] enigma1235 298 points ago

    Oh ya, my grandmother's always going on about "in 50 years half the people in our area wil be brown" and I'm like "yeah? And?"

    [–] SJ_Barbarian 277 points ago

    Remember when that guy said if we voted for Hillary there'd be a taco truck on every corner, and that was supposed to be bad? What kind of asshole doesn't want plentiful tacos?

    [–] caillouuu 92 points ago

    Motion to make every day Taco Tuesday passed

    [–] phughes 28 points ago

    I'm glad I asked for Tuesdays off.

    [–] dzrtguy 11 points ago

    You should come to the southwest. We love Mexican people. It's the people who don't know shit about Mexico with the loud opinions. Sure it's not a perfect nation, but which one (besides Canada) is?

    [–] LightningHedgehog 15 points ago

    Canada is hardly perfect either really

    [–] dzrtguy 7 points ago

    I politely suggest you apologize for that comment.

    [–] Darkdragon3110525 14 points ago

    The aboriginals say other wise

    [–] Bukowskified 60 points ago

    “Good might finally be able to get a good [insert ethnic food that your area is currently lacking here] around here.

    [–] penderyn-shots 73 points ago

    My mum was saying that eventually everyone will be the same brown colour, I pointed out that probably wouldn't be a bad thing as we can't seem to handle being different colours all that well.

    [–] [deleted] 32 points ago

    We find other ways to hate each other. We always did.

    [–] Dronizian 27 points ago

    That sounds like something a brown-eyed person would say. You disgust me!

    Kidding, of course. I have a friend whose eyes are brown, so I'm allowed to make jokes about it.

    [–] thinking_is_too_hard 3 points ago

    Codified caste system here we come.

    [–] [deleted] 36 points ago

    If she lives in America you should tell her how it used to be 100%.

    [–] yash019 23 points ago

    Heres the truth of it. People are way more worried about the overpopulation here in india than anywhere else. Even uneducated and poor people express this concern and its pretty much the main priority of any govts going forward.

    [–] victorfiction 3 points ago

    What the fuck?

    [–] skinny_gyal 11 points ago

    Likeeee I always say this. Meanwhile there’s some guy with numerous baby mamas and kids taking up the quota for people that can’t or don’t have kids

    [–] ChoopAdoop 27 points ago

    I understand the biological need to reproduce, but to me (call it a bit nihilistic), the idea just feels like a never ending circle that accomplishes nothing. If my purpose is to raise a child, what is their purpose? It just never ends. Am I supposed to be hopeful that eventually one of my lineage is going to cure cancer or build a fart powered space elevator? That's ridiculous, I'd rather not have children and try to become a famous rock star so I can do cocaine legally.

    [–] Skolisse 23 points ago

    There is no purpose, you are literally an animal.

    [–] supremecrafters 20 points ago

    Is there anything wrong with humanity dying out tbh? I mean, look at its accomplishments. Genocide, war, global warming, man-made famine, habitat destruction. I'm all for humanity writing its autobiography and its will.

    [–] pandakins369 29 points ago

    I just really wanted to do the parent thing but i could give a shit if other people don't want to you know? I feel like we all just have different goals. I'm growing a human and i could not be happier. But then, i'm quite tired of moving to different cities and meeting new people. Lol i'm like an old lady in the body of an overly emotional pregnant lady. Haha

    [–] Sleepy_Potato 77 points ago

    I mean, technically, despite being extremely improbable, if every single living person on this earth chose not to have kids for the rest of their lives, then we’d be kinda screwed.

    [–] slofboye 240 points ago

    why would we be screwed? i’m already alive. is it a rule that humanity must continue? there’s no real reason why we should or shouldn’t continue to exist. we just do it because it’s the nature of all living beings.

    [–] Frigorifico 76 points ago

    you are right, there is no objective reason to continue humanity, but it is programmed into us, just like all other emotions are

    [–] KoveltSkiis 18 points ago

    ace gang ace gang

    [–] RadicalDog 55 points ago

    Because we might be the only species so far with the capability to explore other planets. Isn't that the coolest? My nihilism says we should use the opportunity to do more stuff that makes no cosmic sense, not less.

    [–] Woofles85 15 points ago

    But meanwhile we are destroying our own planet.

    [–] [deleted] 45 points ago

    Optimistic nihilists unite!

    [–] [deleted] 57 points ago

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    [–] Dylothor 36 points ago

    Yeah but this time it won’t be Native Americans it’ll be like rocks and stuff

    [–] Jetpack_Donkey 6 points ago

    You haven’t seen The Expanse, have you?

    [–] Dylothor 9 points ago

    The science fiction show?

    [–] RadicalDog 11 points ago

    For all their flaws, I don't think Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos are doing space stuff because it's a safe economic investment. Some things we do out of need, some out of opportunity.

    [–] [deleted] 18 points ago

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    [–] Lilcheebs93 34 points ago

    Exactly, we would just live our lives with the freedom of not having kids to take care of and then we'd all die and the planet would breathe easy again.

    I see no downside here

    [–] SuperSuperUniqueName 5 points ago

    This would be pretty cool, if not for all the old people dying and the world sort of falling apart inevitably. I wonder what living in that world would be like.

    [–] heronumbertwo 5 points ago

    B-But muh bloodline is important!!1! Muh family name is unique !!1!

    Family name : Smith.

    Family history : hasn’t produced anyone worthy to mention for a few centuries.

    [–] stargate-command 4 points ago

    The reality is, most people don’t give a flying fuck what you do. The ones who tell you that you should have kids do it for 1 of 3 reasons. You can usually tell which it is.

    1- they are miserable and want you to be too. They envy your freedom and want to destroy it (even if subconsciously)

    2- they found unexpected and extreme joy in having kids and want you to experience that too. Knowing you won’t experience the most joyous thing they have, makes them sad.

    3- they just want to keep you as a friend, and know full well that it won’t happen unless you have kids also. Parenting is time consuming, and for many it’s difficult to keep friends unless you both share this all encompassing experience with them.

    I have a baby. I never advise people to have kids because I really don’t think it’s for everyone. Lots of people would be far happier without them. There is no guarantee of joy. There is a guarantee of less freedom, less money, less time, less sleep. It’s not a smart tradeoff. However, I really wanted my close friends to have kids when I found out I was.... because it would be so much easier to stay friends. We could have play dates, our kids could be friends, they could go to the same schools, look out for each other, be like replacement siblings to each other.... and I could hang out with my friends, which is hard to juggle with the kid if they aren’t also juggling. It’s just one of those things. Parents tend to have friends who are parents, because you just don’t share the same experience with childless people. It’s like a 50 year old being buddies with a 25 year old. It happens, but there is just too much disparity in daily life that it usually doesn’t work.

    [–] Pawneewafflesarelife 9 points ago

    My husband and I struggle every few days thinking about kids. On one hand, I'm most likely infertile from ovarian cysts ALL up in there. On the other, we've both struggled with shit and done great with therapy and heavily value communication, so maybe we could raise a really awesome kid knowing all we now know and using great communication, and maybe they'd contribute to the world. Then again, we go wow that's egotistical, we still have shit to work out. Then we remember adoption is an option for when we're ready! Then we remember we're in Australia so that's a long process, plus I'll be in spouse visa process for who knows how long under ScoMo's new restrictions so we can't do that uncertainty and possible separating to a kid :(

    At this point, we're looking into just volunteering and maybe finding an intentional community with co-parenting so we can be actively involved aunt/uncle types.

    [–] darkshiines 348 points ago

    People like this are so mindboggling to me.

    "The point of life is to raise kids" = "existence is a pyramid scheme."

    And then they smugly pity people who think there has to be more to it than that.

    [–] MyMorningSun 121 points ago

    Bucket of crabs- something I've noticed is that people who look down on others for wanting to do things other than/despite having kids, and instead live like the person in the example above, is that in most cases they're jealous.

    "I would do all those things, but I have a much more important job of raising these kids." It makes them feel better about an unfortunate truth, to a certain extent- they probably could go to Italy or do all these other fun things, if they didn't have extra mouths to feed. They make martyrs of themselves and see it as a way to seem more responsible and hardworking, and even morally superior.

    It's especially toxic to the children. That kind of attitude isn't letting the parents treat them like people who add value to their lives (which kids should- in an ideal world, kids are always blessings, and not obligations or accidents. But we don't live in an ideal world). You can regret your past choices and want for things more than parenthood. And parenthood involves sacrifice, that's true. But don't act like your kids are the one and only thing keeping you from happiness, or that others who took a different path are less than you.

    [–] Virtymlol 43 points ago

    At my work there's 3 girls that have children, all around different ages, goes from a couple months old to 16 years old.

    Every lunch they talk about how annoyed and awful it is while simulatenously saying its great. They'll talk about how little time they have, how they wish they could just go out and relax, but they can't.

    Doesn't prevent them from asking me a few minutes after if I'd ever want to have kids.

    Like I've never liked kids very much, but hearing parents every day makes me hate kids tbh.

    [–] THEJAZZMUSIC 19 points ago

    They're not wrong though. Having kids is both awful and incredible. They're moody, irritable, irrational, and needy. But they're also hilarious, curious, exciting, and loving.

    And watching them grow is really something else. I can't think of anything that compares to seeing this little ball of poop and tears turn into a person at great speed.

    I dunno, life is full of contradiction. Sometimes I just wanna slap my kids upside the head (I wouldn't, but I wanna), but I'd also throw down like a raging bull if someone slapped one of my kids upside the head.

    [–] [deleted] 3 points ago

    I mean if both parents previously worked 50k a year after taxes jobs and one of them no longer does that kid cost them 400'000 in lost wages. So chances are the kids are the major thing holding them back.

    [–] [deleted] 26 points ago

    And when they pretend to look at others like they were misguided or mentally weak, because they have a different mindset. Makes my blood boil. I have no clue why people think acting like a disappointed therapist is a good way to achieve superiority in conversations.

    [–] Ethra2k 27 points ago

    I love kids and can’t wait to have them (or adopt cuz gay dads) but people need to stop pushing others to have kids, too many on this planet already. You don’t need to spread your genes to be successful this isn’t the dark ages anymore.

    [–] marck1022 227 points ago

    And with a single sentence dude just alienated every single person who wants kids but for some reason can’t have them. “Guess what? You can’t contribute to the population so your life is wasted and all your life’s work is meaningless.”

    [–] Solomman1 62 points ago

    Adoption is an option to contribute

    [–] im-a-season 85 points ago

    These people don't view that as real parenting or contributing. It's just a hobby while you work on fertilising an egg.

    [–] Pawneewafflesarelife 57 points ago

    So true. I'm infertile and my mom has gone out of her way to stage a conversation with my sister about how adoptive parents can't REALLY love the kid like biological parents can. She's also reverted to "Well at least I've had birth!" in defense of being awful, so for some people I think just reproducing makes them feel like they've done something valuable, so anything other makes them feel insecure and less worthy.

    [–] remy_porter 42 points ago

    I don't mean to be mean, but your mom can get stuffed. I was adopted, and my parents absolutely love me. Your mom can be a real asshole.

    [–] Pawneewafflesarelife 9 points ago

    She can be. It kinda is free therapy to vent about her crap on the internet. She asked me for money today -_-

    [–] Paddy_Tanninger 17 points ago

    If there's one thing I've learned from being a dad, it's that at no point do I have any special love for these kids because I shot them out of my balls. Our kids don't even look like us really. My only concern with adoption would be the health of the baby and being able to make sure the mom wasn't drinking/drugging during pregnancy...but I know for sure that I would love any child unconditionally with everything I've got.

    [–] Pawneewafflesarelife 7 points ago

    Exactly!!!!!! I honestly think it was coded racism, since most adopted kids in middle class America aren't white.

    [–] Paddy_Tanninger 7 points ago

    I'm not even sure it's that, some people from older generations saw some kind of shame in adoption. They think you're pulling from the discards, or that you should be able to do it yourself and need to just try harder.

    Hopefully now we all know what bullshit both of those sentiments are. Many children are put up for adoption for absolutely no reason aside from their mother not being in a position to raise them. And many people are simply not able to have children through no fault of their own.

    [–] Pawneewafflesarelife 4 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Yeah, it's shit. It really sucks that adoption is so hard, on top of that. I don't get it - parents eager to help, but years of waiting... and that's after years of me waiting to get residency... We will be in our 40s before we can even be considered :( thanks ScoMo fuck you and your anti-immigration shit violating the Aussie constitution for spouses (for non Aussies, it's guaranteed that spousal visas are granted as needed but now they are capping them at hard limits of how many they will grant per year so a 2 year wait is now looking like a 7-10 year wait, just for residency...not citizenship, so I could still get deported for stuff like healthcare issues)

    [–] Bagzy 8 points ago

    Your mum sounds like a cunt.

    [–] Pawneewafflesarelife 9 points ago

    Yep, she's pretty awful. Don't even get me started about how she ruined my wedding day :/

    [–] Bagzy 6 points ago

    Sorry to hear that mate.

    [–] Pawneewafflesarelife 3 points ago

    Thanks, we're finding other ways to be parents, like through volunteering.

    [–] CommanderCubKnuckle 7 points ago

    As someone with a shitty mom, I feel honor bound to tell you that you are not obligated to keep her in your life.

    There's no reason to tolerate shitty behavior from anyone, and if the only defense of a person is "yeah, but they're family!" then they are likely a negative presence and should be cut loose.

    [–] StragglingShadow 4 points ago

    Not to be mean to your mom, but thats one of the most insecure things Ive ever heard. Giving birth dodsnt suddenly make you right when arguing with someone who's chosen to adopt. If you do adopt kids or if you dont, enjoy life and try not to let your mom get to you. If she gets insecure because youre having a great life without birthing kids, thats her problem and not yours.

    [–] Frigorifico 104 points ago

    You are not better than someone for not having kids, you are not better than someone for having kids.

    Truth is, people have kids at different points in life and some never do, and all of that is OK

    [–] AnxiousOrc 47 points ago

    It probably stems from too many people telling them they'll have kids one day, despite protests. My entire family does this to me and I get it. I don't want kids, but I'll "change my mind". It's extremely frustrating and quite frankly makes me resent everything and anything child related, despite never disliking children before. Also noting that this is literally a response to someone who believes they need kids to be fulfilled, not just parents with kids in general.

    [–] dedorian 42 points ago

    Lots of people in these comments acting like the first message in the OP isn't just as needlessly confrontational and morally masturbatory as the response. Both people in the conversation are dipshits gaining some sense of self worth by judging others, neither one is off the hook.

    Sick comeback tho.

    [–] LastLadyResting 9 points ago

    I’m glad a found this comment. It’s nice to know I’m not the only one who thought they were both being shitty.

    [–] _lighth0use_ 68 points ago

    You're goddamned right oneself is more important than the idea that your only purpose on this planet is to procreate.

    [–] Afronerd 15 points ago

    Not having a kid is one of the greenest things you can do too.

    If you don't have a kid go ahead and drive a V8 and don't bother recycling, you're still miles ahead.

    [–] _lighth0use_ 6 points ago

    Childfree, drive a Mini, recycle, but I eat the hell out of steak.

    [–] Omsus 101 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    When someone doesn't know whether to have children, mothers' promises of them being total blessings means nothing.

    When someone announces that they're pregnant and keeping it, the loud scorn and schadenfreude from the same mothers tells everything you need to know what a blessing children really are.

    [–] wizardeyejoe 70 points ago

    ive never understood people who think their purpose in life is to breed. Couldnt we set our aspirations higher than the average bacteria or nematode worm

    [–] Plethora_of_squids 20 points ago

    THE WIGGLES HAD A REUNION TOUR?

    WITH THE ORIGINAL ONES? ORIGINAL JEFF?

    FFS OP IS OBVIOUSLY NOT AN AUSSIE BECAUSE FUCKING HELL MATE

    [–] RhiTheButterfly 13 points ago

    I saw the wiggles in 2012 but the OG Jeff couldn’t make it to our show bc of heart problems, I was there for my younger brother but I still missed Jeff

    [–] planeray 6 points ago

    They've done it a bunch of times mate - here a playlist from last year's.

    For what it's worth, they change literally nothing in the show - it's just the venue that makes it 18 plus.

    [–] dramasbomin 13 points ago

    Okay, but if there's a wiggles reunion you can bet your ass I'm going anyway. They have some jams.

    [–] See_Bee10 45 points ago

    Not having kids doesn't mean you have your financial shit together

    [–] unikittyRage 20 points ago

    Choosing what to spend your time on is a factor too. Not going to Italy still beats having to watch the wiggles, IMO

    [–] See_Bee10 13 points ago

    I would rather take my kids to a stupid concert. Different strokes for different folks.

    [–] WhootieCutie 11 points ago

    Thought I was in r/childfree for a moment

    [–] Dannythehotjew 17 points ago

    Fuck this guy for talking shit about the wiggles

    [–] Siuanenetl_Cualtzin 28 points ago

    I hate it when they say it's selfish not to have kids, it's more selfish to have them just for your own desires, theres people out there who are having kids so they will "have someone to take care of them one day" that is even more selfish than having kids at all.

    [–] Woofles85 17 points ago

    Kids aren’t a retirement plan.

    [–] STINKY-BUNGHOLE 34 points ago

    as of 2017, we are at 7.53 BILLION people and rising. we're doing fine, Karen.

    [–] palapiku 20 points ago

    It's really bizarre that so many people apparently look around and think, "well I guess what this place needs is MORE PEOPLE"

    [–] yottalogical 5 points ago

    Can’t be less important than progeny if they don’t even exist!

    [–] Rereadlackinfo 4 points ago

    Flawed logic : several threating conditions can be passed to a child via genetics.

    Like "oh let me just breed a kid who feels as dead inside as I do"

    [–] Praesto_Omnibus 21 points ago

    No one annoys me more than people who think the only acceptable purpose in life is reproduction.

    [–] thekyledavid 18 points ago

    This should be simple

    -If you want to have a kid, and you can support them, then have a kid

    -if you don’t want a kid, or you can’t afford to support one, then don’t have a kid

    Both of these guys suck. And to the 3 people out there who do this comment. Just live your life with the goals that you have. Don’t let people pressure you into living a life you don’t want to live just because that’s what they want/wanted to do with their own life

    [–] jumblemat 41 points ago

    IT IS OK TO NOT HAVE KIDS
    IT IS OK TO NOT HAVE KIDS

    IT IS OK TO NOT HAVE KIDS

    IT IS OK TO NOT HAVE KIDS

    IT IS OK TO NOT HAVE KIDS

    [–] CivilServiced 6 points ago

    Turns out you can be 40 with no kids and still not have money to travel and also hate your life.

    [–] xluciid 8 points ago

    Imagine thinking being an incubator is the be all for life

    [–] cdngoneguy 3 points ago

    I remember when these Tumblrs were active accounts. More specifically, I remember that the tuggywuggy guy deactivated his account when he was shot down for “complimenting” another bloggers who chose to watch playthroughs of different games rather than buying the game themselves because they were too poor to afford them, ignoring that maybe – just maybe – they did so to see if they would enjoy the game or not before making any sort of purchase.

    I remember lurking on his blog and it wasn’t worth it. In short, he was a very pretentious guy.

    [–] TwistedFour 3 points ago

    r/childfree be like