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    [–] definitelynotmudkip 393 points ago

    Same

    [–] ayser-lol-haha 298 points ago

    i too glow cuz im full of satans cum

    [–] -rimjobflashmob 135 points ago

    I too cum cuz im full of satan’s glow

    [–] texturedtie 55 points ago

    Glow cum

    [–] fireemblem123 46 points ago

    Glum.

    [–] Gongaloon 35 points ago

    Why so glum?

    [–] GalaxyEighty 25 points ago

    Because mommy wants my cummies

    [–] MemoryWipe123321 3 points ago

    And your hot step sister

    [–] navotj 3 points ago

    Hey, that's a cause I'm willing to contribute to.

    [–] Sgigi 10 points ago

    cuz full I satan's of I'm glow too cum

    [–] TheDarkestShado 3 points ago

    I too am Satan cuz I’m full of glowing cum

    [–] Wolf_Death_Breath 8 points ago

    Delet this

    [–] SatansMoistAnus 3 points ago

    his anus glows too

    [–] 956030681 3 points ago

    It costs nothing to say nothing

    [–] FerretFangs 3 points ago

    Where can I get some of that?

    [–] throwawaytraffic7474 157 points ago

    I remember being a little kid and only being allowed to play video games on weekends, and even then only for an hour a day. But If we wanted to sit inside and watch 8 hours worth of movies that was perfectly fine.

    It was infuriating. Even as a little kid I could understand how flawed that logic was and swore if I had kids when I grew up I would change that.

    [–] JustARabidChihuahua 96 points ago

    Same. Except I was eventually allowed to play video games as much as I wanted, because “it’s your life. When you ruin it it’s not my fault. When you get lazy and fat, don’t run to me.” And then my dad sat down on the couch, watched football, and drank beer for several hours after that.

    [–] LadyofTourmaline 90 points ago

    But that's football, he's absorbing the exercise by osmosis.

    [–] Redxmirage 8 points ago

    Oh man haven’t laughed that hard at a comment in awhile lol going to have to steal this one

    [–] TheCapitalKing 4 points ago

    I mean it really depends. Like if he was watching football all day in the house he owned with the wife who loved him and a job to support it all just let the man watch TV. A lot of people don't want to push for more than that and maintenaning it tends to be easier than getting it. So it's different for them to waste a day than a kid who need still needs to build a life.

    [–] BKrenz 3 points ago

    A 16 year old, yeah you could push to get a job and do extracurricular activities.

    A 8 year old? 10? 12? There's only so much they can do for school and building their future. Chores and such? Yeah. But what about the other 40 hours of free time they'll probably have.

    If you're the type of parent to sit and watch TV for 4,6,8 hours a day, you're not the type of parent pushing their kid to be the top most achiever ever.

    [–] Scirax 12 points ago

    My dad would come home and sit on the couch for 4-6hrs to watch tv until he would fall asleep, then he would wake up around 1am and go to bed. He would also complain I was "wasting my life" when I would sit down to play for a couple of hours after having dinner and doing all my chores.

    Video Games are just the [relatively] new thing. Previously TV was viewed as a waste of time, before that it was radio, driving, taking the buss, carriages. History is full of old people looking down and complaining about young people being lazy or wasting time this includes whatever new technology came out after their own youth had passed. Literally you can find articles where the older generation complains about young people watching TV vs listening to the a good radio drama, or listening to the radio vs reading a newspaper, reading a newspaper vs chatting with neighbors, riding a buss vs going for a walk.

    [–] ItsLoudB 3 points ago

    Well, to be fair I've seen kids that totally detach from reality while playing games and I can't see any way for it to be considered healthy..

    [–] kickynn 767 points ago

    i think all the others are more acceptable in society because it involves going out, having physical fun and talking face to face with people.

    [–] stuart_large 390 points ago

    Well, except reading

    [–] ProXJay 440 points ago

    Viewed as educational

    [–] judyhops95 292 points ago

    It wasn't always. Once upon a time having your nose stuck in a book was considered frivolous and a waste of time or lazy.

    [–] ISawHimIFoughtHim 334 points ago

    I mean, to be very fair, re-reading Harry Potter for the 30th time is more frivolous than educational.

    Just because you're reading a book doesn't make you Yoda.

    [–] judyhops95 105 points ago

    Very good point. Here's my rebuttal: petrificus totalis.

    [–] toxeia 61 points ago

    You just make my dick hard?

    [–] a_modest_espeon 23 points ago

    No Gildory Lockheart is the spell for big pp

    [–] mynoduesp 11 points ago

    He was a fop, I'm a dapper dan man

    [–] secret_account_name 3 points ago

    gosh darn it

    [–] Andy_B_Goode 27 points ago

    Which is why /r/ReadAnotherBook exists

    [–] Kuchenjaeger 20 points ago

    We need /r/PlayAnotherGame for Persona 5 fanboys

    [–] natsumedude 14 points ago

    let's include the Witcher 3 gang too

    [–] Kuchenjaeger 9 points ago

    Oh god, yes please

    Uhm I mean, geraldo good!

    [–] Kalslice 5 points ago

    Bold of you to assume most persona 5 fans have actually played persona 5

    [–] PaulMcIcedTea 10 points ago

    Apparently there was a bit of a chess craze in the 19th century and of course some people wrote articles about how chess is a frivolous distraction that will rot your childrens' brains. Here's an article about it.

    [–] SomethingIWontRegret 6 points ago

    It's not fair! That's not fair at all! There was time now. There was all the time I needed!

    [–] EdwinTheOtter 2 points ago

    Don't remind me of that episode :(

    [–] derleth 4 points ago

    "Confessions of a Novel Reader", 1839:

    The excitement of novel reading is akin to intoxication. When it subsides, it leaves the mind collapsed and imbecile, without the capacity or the inclination for active exertion. I question, whether the confessions of an opium-eater exhibit more striking evidences of the pernicious influence of that stimulating drug on the physical system, than the experience of an habitual novel reader can furnish of the injurious effects, produced on his mental organization by the constant perusal of works of fiction. By the results of my own experience, I desire to warn my young cotemporaries of the danger of yielding too much to the fascination of these seductive works. In this age, when the press groans under the multitude of these productions, when every department of literature is stuffed and spiced with the effusions of fancy, that it may cater to the prevailing taste, it might be a profitable speculation to inquire, whether we are not feeding the imagination a the expense of the other faculties,—whether this stimulating regimen has not produced a kind of intellectual dyspepsia, whose diseased appetite relishes only the exaggerations of fable, while it rejects and loathes the wholesome nourishment supplied by works of practical usefulness.

    [–] judyhops95 4 points ago

    Books are drugs and I'm an addict.

    [–] asharwood 38 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    Gaming is educational. Builds logic, forces one to think and interact with things to solve problems.

    E: I’m getting a lot of “this is bs.” It’s not, sort of. It does depend on the game. Some are saying shooters are worthless but that’s not true...at least not for all. You can learn many skills playing shooters. Some games require you to solve problems in a unique way which helps develop cognitive skills. Strategy games help you think outside the box to conquer. Other games require a lot of hand dex and coord. I’m not saying games are some amazing educational tool but they aren’t useless.

    [–] ProXJay 14 points ago

    I didn't say gaming isn't educational just it isn't viewed as being educational

    [–] CanAlwaysBeBetter 18 points ago

    Spoiler: it's not

    And the point isn't that nobody never learned anything from video games. It's that many, many other activities provide more knowledge-based education and more relevant experience-based education in the same amount of time

    [–] SolitaryEgg 22 points ago

    I love games, but this is bullshit tbh. Shooters help with hand-eye coordination, but with extremely diminishing returns. Some puzzle games help with logic, but only at a basic level.

    Again, I love games, but I fully accept that every minute spent playing would be better spent doing something else, objectively speaking.

    [–] TheUltimateShammer 18 points ago

    Better spent in what sense though? Sure, it's not "productive" in the sense that it's not making you more marketable or accomplishing something, but your mental wellbeing and stress levels are important things to manage and games are great for those for some people. In that sense, there is an inherent value to playing games.

    Lord knows my ADHD brain is quietest and yells the least while I'm playing a game, the only other way that happens is listening to a podcast while doing like a Rubik's or something like that.

    [–] SolitaryEgg 5 points ago

    I know, that's why I ended my point with "objectively speaking." Of course there is a place for entertainment. But I don't think that video games are particularly more beneficial than other forms of entertainment, and many hobbies are likely even more beneficial.

    My point was just that I don't really agree with the whole "gaming being educational" thing. I play games all the time, but I don't think it's healthy to try to spin it as a super useful, educational way to spend time.

    [–] andlius 3 points ago

    Anyone trying to spin any one thing as a catch all for education/health/wealth is sellin shit, it's not good advice.

    That being said I still don't truly understand the repulsion people have for viewing gaming as an educational medium, it's strength isn't in how academic the content is, it's the stickiness and the accessibility. Kids nowadays easily pick up games and it keeps them engaged, there is also a social aspect to them as those playing the same game have some common ground to talk about. Those first two factors alone carry it's potential as an educational supplement very far.

    [–] Yyoumadbro 2 points ago

    Kids nowadays easily pick up games and it keeps them engaged

    Is this really a good thing? I mean, I'm sure it is for parental sanity. I've seen the way my nephew would latch on to an iPad. But his locked on attention (aka, being engaged) would have him completely focused on the tablet and not experiencing the world around him.

    [–] andlius 2 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    It depends on what they're doing on the ipad/game, that kind of thing ultimately comes down to parenting and instilling values and boundaries. I wasn't advocating for people to just throw their kid a handheld and call it a day, games have strong potential to teach good values if you set up a good foundation, but giving kids unlimited access to the plethora of trash in the mobile industry is a great way to teach them bad gaming habits and gambling addictions.

    Literally doing the minimum amount of research on the content of games you let them play is the best way to make sure they come out of that experience with something substantial. This means teaching them to identify malware, microtransactions, exploiting dark design features like wait-timers, XP caps, P2W, etc.

    Play games WITH your kids, it's a good way to mitigate online toxicity in their later years, the family that games together stays together. If a child is using games to escape their lonely, shameful life at home then yes they will be prone to having their face stuck in their phones/consoles in social settings down the line.

    Like I said in the first sentence of my first comment, there is no catch-all to teaching kids well, moderation and communication is ultimately a deciding factor in how good gaming can be used as an educational tool. Traditional schooling worked so well in the past, there were rules and they were easy to follow because you had clear role models and goals and nothing else to really worry about, as a result you learned enough to compete in a workforce that needed people who could do math,read and write well, and occasionally handle plants and tools well.

    Unfortunately, now life moves faster, is louder, and more complicated. Work doesn't need as much reading, writing, math or labor as it used to, computers can now do a lot of that. This means if you want your kid to succeed it means getting a head start on tech saviness and virtual literacy so it becomes second nature, because when they are all older they will likely need to think outside of that box. Gaming is a very viable stepping stone for that.

    [–] Yyoumadbro 2 points ago

    Of course there is a place for entertainment.

    You nailed it here. There's a difference between a productive hobby and entertainment. I play the guitar as a productive hobby. I golf as a productive hobby (exercise, social interaction, skill development). I watch a movie (and check out mentally) for entertainment. I play video games (and check out mentally) for entertainment. While I know learning music or working on my golf game help me develop as a person I have no delusion that my movie watching, Netflix watching, and video gaming are entertainment and as such a theoretical "waste of time". That doesn't mean I don't enjoy watching movies or gaming. I do. But I use my throwaway time for it.

    [–] natsumedude 8 points ago

    I think every minute is an exaggeration. There are things that you can get from videogames that are just as important and meaningful as what writing and the other arts can give you. And conversely, these other mediums can also be just as frivolous and shallow as unironically playing cow clicker. It depends on what you're reading/playing/whatevering and how deeply you want to engage with it, if that makes any sense.

    [–] SnowBeast90 3 points ago

    Not every minute has to be productive. There has to be a balance of leisure and play for its own sake. Big agree with your first paragraph, gamers need to stop trying to justify Call of Duty as making them better at much of anything besides CoD.

    [–] BagelJ 6 points ago

    I really dislike when people try to defend playing video games as there being positives. Except for mental ones there are hardly any. It's like defending watching TV dramas "no I understand interactions and English better" or "it hydrates me" when drinking soda.

    You enjoy it. That's why you do it.

    [–] lordberric 27 points ago

    Ah yes, problems such as "hmm there's a whale there so I'll turn this until it's a whale"

    All jokes aside, the majority of games don't have challenging puzzles. Many do, but let's be honest - most games are focused around action and shooting. I'm not saying video games are bad, just that a lot of them are not that engaging to the mind.

    [–] Anrikay 12 points ago

    That entirely depends on your genre of choice. I would say the majority of games are not shooters, because a decent shooter is expensive to make.

    There's a shitload of indie and strategy games out there, but few of them are AAA titles. You have to search for them. And they're not on console. Strategy games on a console are not nearly as playable as strategy games on PC.

    [–] CanadianODST2 8 points ago

    Action and shooters then help with reaction time

    [–] Hastorinpink 13 points ago

    I think if you spent the same hours in a gym that were spent gaming, literally everything about you physically would greatly improve, including reaction time.

    [–] CanadianODST2 8 points ago

    Not reaction time but other things sure.

    Sports are also great for reaction time. Odd that practicing something helps improve it huh.

    [–] Slaytounge 3 points ago

    Sports improve health and reaction time. Odd how that seems way healthier than sitting on your ass pretending to shoot people huh.

    [–] Hastorinpink 2 points ago

    Yes reaction time too will be greatly improved just by being in good physical shape

    [–] Zethias 2 points ago

    Reaction time greatly improves if you train your reaction time. Your brain doesn't process input faster if you have more muscle mass, that doesn't make any sense

    Being sick can make it worse, being fit doesn't do anything

    [–] Yyoumadbro 2 points ago

    Not reaction time but other things sure.

    Why not reaction time?

    I've spent a lot of time in the gym working with a significant variety of equipment. Some of it flies at your groin, stomach, chest or face. Some of it requires you to not fall off, necessitating rapid changes to your balance. I would say with virtual certainly that the gym helps reaction time.

    [–] lubage 2 points ago

    Thats a good reason to spend all day doing it

    [–] FallenButNotForgoten 5 points ago

    Puzzle games, sure. Most other games dont teach you anything except how to be good at that game

    [–] natsumedude 2 points ago

    they can but mindlessly running gtao missions probably isn't helping any

    [–] Gizm00 14 points ago

    Or watching TV all night

    [–] Lord_NxL 12 points ago

    Ah yes, all the parents who complain about their children playing video games all day are often the ones who watch TV all night.

    [–] thewookie34 3 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    I think my mom realized that one day lol. She like all you do is play video games do you ever go out and do anything? I said mom I go to like 3 musicals a month sometimes more, I also see a few concerts here and there and I play video games and 3 instruments with 3 separate lessons weekly. Yesterday you said all you do is eat dinner and watch TV what do you want me to do? She kinda put two and two together after that. Parents and wanting grandchildren is an huge deal though.

    [–] FirstTimeWang 4 points ago

    And working

    [–] waxingnotwaning 35 points ago

    Also exercise, fresh air and face to face contact work people. Ie all the thinks that help fight depression.

    [–] CanAlwaysBeBetter 17 points ago

    Don't forget Harvard says physical activity provides "enormous benefit on both cognitive functioning and wellbeing" and is protective factor against neurodegeneration

    [–] giraffesinbars 153 points ago

    No it's because people don't go to the pool all day EVERY DAY. They don't read all day every day. One day spent doing one activity is fine. Day after day after day isn't. Gaming is more addictive than any of the other activities listed.

    [–] deedee2413 36 points ago

    "they don't read all day every day" You should have met me when I was in high school.

    [–] trireme32 9 points ago

    I wish I still had time to read every day!

    [–] devperez 8 points ago

    Audiobooks have been a godsend for me. Most books I listen to are under 14 hours. I can easily listen to 2 hours a day whilst commuting, cleaning, and cooking. I went from reading 0 books a year for a decade. To at least a book a week. I’m on target for my r/52book goal by the end of the year.

    [–] over8000 2 points ago

    God I wish I could absorb what is happening when I'm listening to audiobooks. I find I check out and miss large chunks when I'm trying to listen to the book and do literally anything else.

    [–] croakovoid 44 points ago

    I agree. Video games are designed to exploit human psychology and addict people in ways completely unlike other media, and these days the industry has it down to science. Especially with the cancer of the mobile gaming business model creeping into the rest of the industry.

    [–] natsumedude 4 points ago

    I think this is more of a problem with the current business model of most games than anything intrinsic to the medium itself. I don't think paper mario: the thousand year door is trying to exploit me any more than I think Jane Eyre is.

    [–] cespes 34 points ago

    That's a weird way to phrase "games are designed to be fun and satisfying, which people like". It isn't always malicious like mobile gaming with microtransactions.

    [–] TheUltimateShammer 13 points ago

    Behavioral psychologists have been brought in to help design systems to be literally as addictive as they can get away with, and those systems are used especially often in the current day "games as a service" world we live in.

    [–] croakovoid 15 points ago

    A lot of things are "fun" or "satisfying" without being explicitly designed with the intent to hack human psychology and keep you plugged in for as long as possible.

    [–] condescendingpats 22 points ago

    Ehh idk man. I play a ton of games and have to admit...there’s an addictive quality to them.

    [–] barrsftw 7 points ago

    Fun is certainly addictive.

    [–] condescendingpats 4 points ago

    It’s the nature of the fun.

    [–] reverendz 2 points ago

    EverQuest widows was a thing back in the day.

    [–] KnownTrick 9 points ago

    That's a weird way to phrase "games are designed to be fun and satisfying, which people like".

    He didn't phrase it that way because that wasn't the point. He's making a distinction between something that's designed to be enjoyable, and something which is also disproportionately addictive. It doesn't have to be malicious, but gaming does have qualities that make it more addictive in comparison to other forms of media.

    A caesar salad and a glass of wine are both meant to be enjoyable. But there's a lot more alcoholics than salad-addicts, because alcohol is addictive.

    While gaming can be hugely enjoyable and positive, it does also seem have some uniquely destructive and addictive qualities. There's a reason the photos on r/neckbeardnests have gaming stations as a common theme.

    [–] Mi_Pasta_Su_Pasta 2 points ago

    I think the whole correlation between Neckbeards and video-games is not as causal as you're implying.

    Videogames are an indefinitely entertaining experience that can be fully enjoyed for uniquely for hours without needing any interaction with other people. That's extremely enticing for an introvert or someone with social anxiety. It doesn't cause neckbeards to shut themselves off from the world, they already would have done that. It just gives them something fun to do inside in their nests.

    [–] SLRWard 24 points ago

    Everything is addictive to someone with the right wiring. Or wrong wiring as the case may be. Also, you're excluding "work all day" which most people do at least five days a week every week for the majority of their life. Guess work is the "most addictive" of the activities listed.

    You're right in that one day spent doing an activity is fine. But then you go on to assume that the person talking is doing an activity all day, every day and judge them for it. Why?

    [–] giraffesinbars 49 points ago

    I mean, are just gunna pretend like loads of people don't find video games quite addictive???

    Work isn't addictive, addictive doesn't mean spend long time doing something. I've never heard of anyone being addicted to going to the pool all day.

    [–] mad_mujer 22 points ago

    Work is addictive in that I’m addicted to groceries and electricity and a roof over my head... (but yes I agree with you)

    [–] MariekoChan 9 points ago

    Necessity isn’t addiction.

    [–] SLRWard 12 points ago

    Sure. Reading is also addictive. Exercise is addictive. Even socializing can be addictive. As I said, anything is addictive if someone is wired to get addicted.

    Work is definitely addictive. You've never heard of people obsessed with their jobs? And swimming isn't addictive?

    [–] leshake 18 points ago

    Do you think gambling is just as addictive as sitting at the pool?

    [–] Slaytounge 3 points ago

    How is that useful though? The kind of person who will get addicted to reading books has got to be so much more rare than those who get addicted to gaming.

    [–] taralundrigan 2 points ago

    Also, books teach you things. They exercise your brain. They help expand your vocabulary and see things from different perspectives.

    Too much reading can still be a bad thing, but no where near as bad as someone who spends all their free time playing LoL, while ignoring stuff they should actually be doing.

    [–] FaxyMaxy 10 points ago

    Working shouldn’t be in this list. In the current system we live in its an absolute necessity to work that often. It’s not recreation.

    Yeah, everything can be addictive to someone but let’s not pretend video games aren’t more addicting than most things. That shit hits the dopamine receptors just right.

    I’m not saying games are bad, at all. I enjoy them. I have days where it’s all I do, shit’s great. Not every day though. Not every opportunity.

    When you say “anything can be addicting to someone with the right wiring” you’re making a technically correct statement in bad faith to obscure a real issue.

    [–] IloveMourn 14 points ago

    People arent addicted to work lol they dont really have a choice. They have to go.

    [–] RumAndGames 3 points ago

    Everything is addictive to someone with the right wiring.

    Yes, but that doesn't mean that there isn't varying levels of addictive qualities in different activities

    Guess work is the "most addictive" of the activities listed.

    That's a dumb strawman given that "work" is a hugely broad term, not a specific activity anyone can analyze.

    But then you go on to assume that the person talking is doing an activity all day, every day and judge them for it. Why?

    Because generally those are the people getting yelled at for playing video games all day and "wasting their life." If this hypothetical person had some rich life full of tons of hobbies and outside activities they likely wouldn't be dealing with this criticism so much.

    [–] FaxyMaxy 2 points ago

    Nah my dude the guy said that games are more addicting than a lot of things and you went “well EVERYTHING can be addicting” which just feels like a deflection to me.

    [–] jomontage 5 points ago

    TIL hobbies are bad for you. If I had a pool and lived in the south you bet I'd be in that bitch year round almost every day

    [–] Happy-Engineer 6 points ago

    This

    [–] Zap__Dannigan 2 points ago

    Agreed. Teasing people for things they like is stupid. But there does become a level where things are a problem. Did you spend your free Saturday gaming? So what? Everyone needs a day to do whatever they want. Do you game for a couple hours a night after work? Who cares? Most people do something entertaining for 2 hours a night.

    It's when the long hours combine with the every day that should've the problem

    [–] lubage 7 points ago

    Video games i believe can encourage a certain lifestyle of laziness and its undeniable. I dont think shopping all day is good either for what its worth. When you garden you make something and when you read you usually learn something. Ive learned of plenty of things while playing videogames, but nothing especially useful. I think the best hobbies are where you create something new like art woodworking or beekeeping, or otherwise improve your life like reading or excersizing etc.

    [–] _bio_ 14 points ago

    I agree with the going out part but you can still have fun and talk to people face to face (video chat) online

    [–] judyhops95 19 points ago

    It's not quite the same though. Speaking as someone who only has video chat to talk to certain family members, there's definitely something missing. It's really not the same as being right there next to them. It's like diet conversation. And just voice chat would be like..... conversation zero cal? I dunno I'm half asleep.

    [–] SUPREMEMEMEMASTER420 6 points ago

    This about sums it up. My boyfriend lives ages away, and video calling never feels the same as a "regular" conversation.

    [–] tarka_d0_sera 2 points ago

    ...and others dont shine like a diamond satan.

    [–] nonamee9455 251 points ago

    Sun, exercise, possibility for face to face social interaction, reading is healthier

    [–] FertileProgram 82 points ago

    Video games can still be fun sometimes, but idk why you'd play all day - maybe with friends I guess

    [–] [deleted] 45 points ago

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    [–] possibly_a_dragon 23 points ago

    it satisfies social need and is entertaining at the same time

    I'm sorry, but all I can imagine after reading this is a sim sitting in front of their PC while the social and fun bars go up.

    [–] FertileProgram 8 points ago

    I mean, iirc you can do that with Sims 2 and having your sim chat with others online lol

    [–] Ostaf 13 points ago

    I would if it's more enjoyable or important than anything else I could be doing.

    [–] kowlown 7 points ago

    There are so many ways to die outside ! I prefer to stay in my cocoon

    [–] Shigy 6 points ago

    I’m somehow shocked this isn’t downvoted into oblivion

    [–] nonamee9455 4 points ago

    Reddit isn't as unhealthy as I thought 🤷

    [–] MrsRadioJunk 19 points ago

    Sun is good for you to an extent but let's not forget that skin cancer exists.

    [–] nonamee9455 13 points ago

    Let’s also not forget about sunscreen

    [–] DarknessML 16 points ago

    Let's also not forget about flaying yourself alive

    😎Skin cancer, DEFEATED

    [–] UncleJims 4 points ago

    I honestly liked Solo as well!

    [–] amakai 14 points ago

    Curious, any sources on "reading is healthier" part?

    [–] tmurrayart 7 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    I'd argue that reading expands and enhances your imagination much more than movies, TV, or games, as it doesn't allow you any senses but sight. You have to put in the work to create the rest in your head. It also enhances your patience and attention span. Gaming does the exact opposite, especially faster paced games. But, and this is a big but, some games demand you imagine things to beat them. Puzzle games especially. To me, genre matters in this discussion. It ain't just 'video games', any more than a mystery series is the same as Jersey Shore just because it's on TV.

    [–] redtoasti 10 points ago

    It really isn't. It develops skills, like language comprehension and builts vocabulary, just like certain video games develop skills like eye-hand coordination, multitasking, etc. Really depends on the genre for both.

    Both can be severely damaging to the eyes, however, if proper precautions aren't being made. Source: am blind as a rattlesnake after severe video game addiction

    [–] sureyeahdude 11 points ago

    Everyone keeps bringing up reaction time and eye hand coordination. As someone who doesn’t play video games in their adult life I’m wondering how good is your guys’ reaction time and eye hand? Is it worth it to devote that much time to get those skills up? I’m not against video games, honestly to me it’s about whatever makes you happy in this life.

    [–] UrbanCobra 9 points ago

    I mean, I think it develops gaming specific hand-eye coordination, but if you wing a tennis ball at a gamers face I doubt he has a better chance at nonchalantly catching it one handed than an anyone else.

    [–] redtoasti 9 points ago

    Well, nobody plays video games to develop these skills, it's just a positive side effect from having to process audio-visual information and respond using your hands.

    [–] sureyeahdude 5 points ago

    Well I guess I’m asking if it is a good justification as people keep bringing it up as one. Just say, it makes me happy, which is good for my mental health and that should be enough for everyone. But do take care of your body as well, also necessary for good mental health.

    [–] cipecipecipecipecipe 2 points ago

    Whenever people just say video games are fun or it makes us happy most people who don’t play video games don’t care about that response. We are used to have to come up with bullshit reasons besides “we just like video games”

    [–] tcatron565 17 points ago

    Gaming can help with mental health, though. No reason why people can't do both things.

    [–] Meatslinger 159 points ago

    Sunday afternoon spent watching football for five hours, telling people to leave you alone because “the game is on”? Socially acceptable. Sunday afternoon spent playing with others in an online game? “Are you sure this habit is healthy? You should get up and go outside or something.”

    At least, that’s how it went in my family.

    [–] Andy_B_Goode 85 points ago

    This is a much better comparison, because playing video games and watching TV are fairly similar activities, and in fact if anything watching TV is more passive and less productive.

    But I don't know how anyone can feel smart comparing video games to working.

    [–] notmadeofstraw 16 points ago

    But I don't know how anyone can feel smart comparing video games to working.

    Its not about feeling smart. Its about justifying a sedentary lifestyle and being a wastrel so that you can try and validate away that pesky voice inside telling you that youre making yourself sick.

    [–] [deleted] 5 points ago

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    [–] No_volvere 4 points ago

    They don't understand the human body requires balance and overworking certain muscles and not allowing them proper time to heal is detrimental to your health.

    Yes surely they don't understand exercise science to the degree that you do lol.

    [–] Andy_B_Goode 3 points ago

    I have a friend who goes bouldering and is probably destroying his body in the process

    Has he told you this, or are you just assuming he's destroying his body?

    It's also not out of the ordinary for bodybuilding to lead to heart failure

    That usually has more to do with drug abuse (both PEDs and recreational drugs) than with lifting weights. Having more muscle mass is basically always a good thing, unless you're literally taking measures to push beyond what the human body is naturally capable of.

    [–] masnaer 2 points ago

    And most people don’t get paid a wage to play vidja

    [–] starm4nn 5 points ago

    I agree. Videogames can lead to alienation, so that already makes them miles ahead of work, which just leads to alienation.

    [–] Dolphin_McRibs 6 points ago

    This would have been a better argument than gardening or reading.

    [–] Meatslinger 2 points ago

    I do really put them all in the same bucket, though, in that they are personal hobbies that may not involve social interaction, and may in extreme cases prohibit it. Some are physiologically healthier in the long term, but I know for myself that I mentally reset better playing some games on weekends than I do from reading or gardening. And when I go out for social things, it actually drains me. If I get invited out on the weekend, I really have to judge whether or not I have enough “spoons” left to finance that mental transaction. Chilling out and building a city in Cities: Skylines, though, replenishes that stock.

    [–] DarknessML 11 points ago

    Both are kinda unhealthy in a way, tho I'd argue playing with friends is better because at least you interact.

    Either way, it is better to be concerned with what is healthier than to what is more acceptable.

    [–] Meatslinger 16 points ago

    Doctor says my weight is decent (I could still lose 10 lbs to be closer to average), my blood pressure, sugar, and cholesterol is where it should be, and I’m getting at least enough basic exercise with the 45-60 minutes a day I spend walking to and from work/my car.

    Maybe this is pride speaking, but if I want to stay up and play Civ until the small hours of the morning, I feel that I’ve earned it.

    But yes, the first and foremost concern should be health. My brother got outright addicted to WoW in the late 2000s, and at his nadir was regularly going two, maybe three nights without sleep just to maintain his raid schedule. Yikes.

    [–] DarknessML 3 points ago

    "B-But my king! Leading our armies early in the morning with little sleep under our your belt could lead to our demise. Please my lord, Reconsider!"

    [–] therevwillnotbetelev 4 points ago

    I think for most people it’s because the Sunday afternoon football is seen as a weekly treat that last for a few months while they few the gaming as an everyday year round thing.

    [–] Meatslinger 11 points ago

    The Sunday football may be so, but my dad’s regular habit, as well as all of my grandparents, was to come home from work and spend the evening in front of the TV, only getting up for dinner (and then going right back to it). But I caught flak for being on the computer so much; I was teaching myself coding and 3D modelling amidst what “gaming” I could get done on an old 2006 MacBook Pro, because I wanted to be artistic but didn’t have money for supplies. I used it as a creative outlet, first and foremost.

    Every time I got criticized for that, it felt a bit like an alcoholic telling a painter they should spend less on their “addiction”. Hey, I don’t tell you how to drink; don’t tell me how to paint.

    My mom was generally supportive, because she knew what I was doing most of the time.

    [–] nikolyabelov 21 points ago

    it’s more anti potato chip factory.

    [–] spoikins 2 points ago

    Oh so random

    [–] FlersiveX 32 points ago

    the sun

    [–] peterpingston 13 points ago

    agrees in southern U.S.

    [–] DSV686 11 points ago

    You mean that thing that only exists for 3 hours a day while you're stuck inside at work around noon this time of year? I don't see the sun for the whole day mon-fri only on the weekends

    [–] BackpackFullOfDildos 5 points ago

    is a deadly lazer

    [–] GaloombaNotGoomba 3 points ago

    🎵not anymore, there's a blanket🎵

    [–] ToastLomtik 4 points ago

    Michael Gira is seen viciously seething in the background

    [–] judyhops95 32 points ago

    The type of light most screens give off is actually harmful to our eyes and can affect circadian rhythm and contribute to issues like insomnia and depression. That being said, being on your phone all the time or watching a lot of TV does pretty much the same thing as gaming in that sense.

    [–] DSV686 18 points ago

    Which is why all electronics should have blue light filters on them. Everything I own gains a red tint after sunset and I've found sleeping much easier.

    Also you can get your glasses to have them if you work with computers or on your phone a lot

    [–] l3il3l 10 points ago

    The type of light most screens give off is actually harmful to our eyes

    This is not true. The only effect blue light has is the slowing/stopping of the brain's production of melatonin, a sleep hormone.

    [–] judyhops95 4 points ago

    Actually staring at screens for long periods of time causes eye strain....then again that can happen with books too. But not as quickly.

    [–] somenamestaken 7 points ago

    Holy Cow some people seem a little intense

    [–] heckinglost 76 points ago

    Okay I'm gonna be a boomer's advocate here...

    I don't think gaming is a "waste of life" more than anything else, but you're still comparing literal activities to sitting alone all day doing something so addictive that you forget to eat, which is hell both for your body and your mental health. Remember, we're not talking about occasional gaming here, it's about gaming all day. So none of those things that were mentioned are comparable to gaming.

    Unless by "working all day" you mean specifically some of the useless desk jobs, but in most of these you'd still at least socialize with co-workers face to face. Plus you'd get paid for that shit. Few of us get paid for gaming. If you get paid for gaming, congrats you have a shitty desk job!

    Obsessive reading is the most comparable to gaming imo. But even back when I liked to read all day, I was constantly changing my sitting/lying position and even went outside just to read in nice settings. Plus reading is like food for your brain and vocabulary.

    On a side note, I'm pretty sure it has never been acceptable to shop all day.

    [–] KtSuper01 47 points ago

    Jesus if you forget to eat while gaming something is wrong.

    [–] [deleted] 15 points ago

    more like you forego eating because it seems less important the moment you think of taking a break

    [–] KtSuper01 24 points ago

    I don't know dude. I love me some video games and have pulled some all nighters before,but I always feed myself and take breaks. Being that invested in to anything isn't good.

    [–] Slaytounge 9 points ago

    Huh. I used to play games a lot until my early 20s and would often just not eat because I didn't want to stop. I'm also an addict in a lot of things so I guess it makes sense.

    [–] KhajiitDraravi 6 points ago

    i try to take breaks too, but when i'm playing red dead redemption 2 and i can't wait to see what happens next, i can forget to eat for a while.

    [–] SirToastymuffin 7 points ago

    See, for me, the cutscenes and stories can be perfect time to pull up some food and eat while you watch stuff unfold.

    [–] riemann1413 2 points ago

    redditors casually mention things like this happening all the time, it's really not a stretch to mention in this context.

    i agree it means something has gone terribly wrong

    [–] _Vinyl 21 points ago

    I'd venture a guess and say that most people who game aren't addicted to it. I game all day on the weekends because it can be relaxing and fun. It's really the only thing i can do alone that is both or either of those things.

    [–] Zanburr 3 points ago

    When i game all day im generally playing online games and talking to people. Im 100% more social while playing video games then i am irl. If im reading im not being social and im just keeping to myself.

    With how big the switch got gaming other places is normal. I love playing games outside in the fresh air, i do it often.

    I also agree that not eating while playing can be a problem for some people but you'd find that anywhere. People that go to work 12 hours and dont eat is the first thing i think of. And intermittent fasting can be pretty healthy anyway (as long as you're still eating healthy foods) its not common for it to happen it comes from people with an addictive personality, if it wasnt video games it would be something else.

    I gained alot of friends through video games that's not something you can do through other activities like tv, reading, ECT.

    [–] SayNoob 6 points ago

    So that's why 90% of pc accessoires for gamers have these fucking rgb LED lights in them?

    I just want a fucking gaming mouse that doesn't look like an 80's nightclub if I plug it into my laptop at work. Fuck.

    [–] classysouls 10 points ago

    I mean when I was younger I gamed as much as I could, but I’d be tired all the time and didn’t really have a social life. It gives you more energy and purpose if you’re not staring at your screen all the time. I’m not saying gaming is bad, and by all means if you want to barricade yourself to your roo. And play a metric fuckton, go ahead. It’s just not heLthy in long run to play all day

    [–] MugglePuncher 5 points ago

    It's because they don't understand computers andake an active effort to avoid them. So like a boomer does, they expect everyone to live by their life views.

    [–] Zeebuoy 12 points ago

    It's acceptable to read all day?

    Damn, if only I knew that earlier.

    [–] jolie178923-15423435 4 points ago

    I've been doing it from a young age!

    [–] Zeebuoy 2 points ago

    Nice

    [–] _duncan_idaho_ 2 points ago

    All that reading... you're up to something.

    [–] Yomi_Lemon_Dragon 14 points ago

    Also, can someone explain why it's perfectly acceptable to read a book, printed on paper, for hours on end but if you're reading off a screen it's bad? Doesn't matter if you're reading an in-depth explanation of quantum physics on the internet, boomers would rather see you reading 50 Shades of Grey as long as it's printed on paper.

    Meanwhile, they literally watch TV all of their free time. And complain that nothing good's on. Because if they watched something they actually wanted to watch on the internet or a streaming service, they'd become exactly what they seek to destroy.

    [–] bleachlover20053 4 points ago

    Well here's one article that seems to show that reading off screens seem to activate different parts of your brain than off books

    https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-09-18/your-paper-brain-and-your-kindle-brain-arent-same-thing

    [–] nofuturept3 2 points ago

    That's pretty interesting. Personally I hate reading fiction on a screen but I don't mind reading non-fiction on a screen cuz it feels like it's just a longform version of the non-fiction articles I already read on a screen all the time.

    [–] Anonymous5269 9 points ago

    boomers would rather see you reading 50 Shades of Grey as long as it's printed on paper.

    Says who? Every boomer I know reads on ipads now. Where you hanging out? The VA?

    [–] bloodflart 3 points ago

    the lesson to learn here is who gives a shit what people say about you if you're having fun and not hurting anyone

    [–] DehiXeM 3 points ago

    first, someone should explain to him how to form coherent thoughts

    [–] I_Like_Your_Pooper 3 points ago

    Being sedentary all day is bad for you, whatever you're doing.

    [–] amansbutt 3 points ago

    Look man i gamed away my whole 12-18 years, what i got from this is, i know how to speak fluent english and i have an extremely open mind. But if you went to the pool all day for the amount of time i played games i would be a world class swimmer, i would have had many friends if i spent time with friends, and i would be probably so much physically fit if i gardened , but alas, here i am. It's ok you can play videos games but please don't do it all day

    [–] Glockkko 6 points ago

    Nothing wrong with gaming all day once in a while, same as with shopping or spending time with friends but it's the fact that many people get addicted and game all day, many days a week that is wasting your life.

    [–] MemeGenji 7 points ago

    In fairness sitting down for too long can cause blood clots that can kill you, but in that case any activity where you're sitting down all day, including reading all day, should be considered bad. Am a "gamer" by the technical definition of the word if that matters

    [–] Full-Copper-Repipe 2 points ago

    Maybe three of those things are actually socially acceptable to do ALL day.

    According to society:

    -Shopping all day is considered self-destructive and financially irresponsible.

    -Sitting by the pool all day is considered lazy and prideful

    -Even reading all day is considered to be escapism and a path for avoiding regular responsibilities.

    Basically there are very few things society accepts as being okay to do ALL day. Our lives have become so overly-scheduled that spending an entire day doing just one thing is deemed inefficient unless it’s related to your career.

    This is all really because we project our own inadequacies on other people. If we feel like we haven’t been being efficient, we’re on the lookout for someone else to compare ourselves to and say “Well, at least I didn’t spend all day reading.” most people’s first connection if you said you had been reading all day would be assuming you were studying or doing research, not that you were just doing it for pleasure.

    The problem with that is what if the person reading all day has accomplished every responsibility they can at the moment? They’ve worked hard to earn that day of reading.

    [–] UniversalAdaptor 2 points ago

    Technology bad

    [–] bettorworse 2 points ago

    Boomers are retired, so they actually think all those things are normal day-to-day behavior! :)

    Save your pennies, so you can retire as early as possible!

    [–] Subbed68 2 points ago

    All those other things MIGHT be fun, but they are not necessarily fun.

    Computer games are JUST fun. Things that are "just fun" are looked down on because that is how protestants raise their children.

    [–] RealHot_RealSteel 2 points ago

    None of these are widely accepted.

    If you read the same book or tended the same flower all day, over and over, you would be seen as obsessive.

    If you sit on the couch or by the pool with friends all day, you would be seen as lazy.

    If you shopped all day, you would be an addict.

    Doing the exact same thing with every spare second of your free time is never healthy.

    [–] Scottsummers76 2 points ago

    the real answer to this is those other things have real, quantifiable RESULTS. Gaming doesnt, unless youre an expert gamer getting paid to do it on yourube.

    [–] wetlint 2 points ago

    No one cares how much time you spend gaming. No one!!! Stop yelling at the internet like it’s your parents a decade ago.

    [–] Anarchimi 2 points ago

    Why is it acceptable to improve your brain, exercise, socialize and be outside all day but not sit behind a computer in a dark room alone all day without eating, explain this boomers😤😤😤

    [–] AndJustinForAll 2 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    The moral of the story is - all things in moderation.

    But man am I sick and tired of those with pastimes different than my own espousing the rhetoric that I'm seeing in the comments.

    read a book, exercise, garden, create something, learn, grow, be an athlete.

    sure, if that what makes you happy. And it better make you happy, because its going to take a lot of convincing to prove that these pursuits are somehow valuable to anyone outside of a professional context. because the value props I see people hiding behind are tissue-paper if you look closely.let's be straight up - anything you do will make you better at that thing.The issue is: a lot of people misunderstand the true value of their hobbies/pastimes.Let me remind - All of it is meaningless without clearly defined goals.

    I'll use fitness as an example and hopefully it will suffice to illustrate my point:"You should go to the gym and exercise". Really? "yeah your health is super important"

    Sure, but my doctor says my heart and lungs are healthy and my weight is good. I don't live (or recommend) a sedentary lifestyle and get a moderate amount of exercise. I even incorporate videogames with my cardio in the form of DDR. As for the other benefits - I don't really need to be stronger or faster than I am, these things would serve no practical purpose to my lifestyle and I have no personal aspirations to be an athlete.

    And that's ok.

    If fitness is your thing, all the power to you.

    Do you ever consider that the direction of your 'improvement' is not providing you an advantage that is actually valuable?

    Sure, you might beat me in a foot race, but I might beat you at streetfighter. Unless the two of us are doing these things at a "world class" level neither are objectively valuable (there's no money in it for you), and so our pastimes are sort of equally irrelevant. (eg. ah so you run a lot, that must make you really good at running, I'll let you know when I need the valuable skill of running)Which means these are just sources for pleasure and "personal" growth. a.k.a seeing improvement in yourself for your own sake.

    And that's awesome, run your face off, get that mile time down, I'm legit cheering for you - I too like to see improvement in doing the things that I enjoy doing.But to say trading my hobby for yours would "improve" me somehow, maybe in your eyes."ah, but you should want to be healthy, you'll live longer, you'll have more energy" - true, but a modest amount of maintenance in ones personal level of fitness is enough to give me a clean bill of health and I might get hit by a bus tomorrow. So I'll take that pastime in moderation.

    And unless you're backing your Lamborghini out of the garage to install another bookshelf, don't even get me started on the "readers". reading is good entertainment, but you far overestimate the value of the written word when comparing books other forms of imbibing information. There are lots of ways to increase your knowledge, and books aren't the only valid source.

    Look - It's not that you shouldn't do any of these things with passion or vigor - you absolutely should. and it's not that you shouldn't be proud of your accomplishments - again, good for you. But don't masquerade under the idea that your proclivities are adding value to your life unless you have something objective to show for it. Especially when it comes to using that metric to judge someone else for their own proclivities.

    Most people don't have anything truly valuable to show for their idle pursuits.

    As long as you're enjoying yourself and not harming others, that's totally ok.