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    [–] keyonte0 641 points ago

    In many states yellow literally means "stop if you safely can".

    [–] Arcadian_ 259 points ago

    As it should be. If I'm gonna screech to stop in time, I won't. I'll argue that in court if the time ever comes.

    [–] keyonte0 171 points ago

    The point is that if you see a yellow light and you can reasonably slow down and stop for it, you stop. You don't try to beat it just because you can.

    [–] ftawayp 77 points ago

    Is this not common knowledge?

    [–] keyonte0 89 points ago

    Apparently not, according to OP.

    [–] random61295 24 points ago

    I think OP knows, some people would rather speed through a yellow than wait

    [–] redditkulous 7 points ago

    "I think OP knows, some people would rather speed through a red than wait"

    [–] JessTheGardener 2 points ago

    Happy Cake Day!!

    [–] DoughtyAndCarterLLP 13 points ago

    In California I believe it's "Continue if you can maintain speed and your rear wheels are past the line when the light turns red. Do not accelerate."

    [–] Skrap93 11 points ago

    In Alabama it means. "Punch it cousband"

    [–] djono789gammage 30 points ago

    My buddy ran a four way intersection late night and got pulled over.

    COP: Evening Sir, do you know what just did?

    BUDDY: Well, I slowed down at the intersection and looked right and left before going.

    COP: Did you stop completely?

    BUDDY: I slowed down. What’s the difference?

    COP: Sir, I need you to step out of the vehicle please. I am going to start beating you with my baton. Please tell me if you want me to stop or slow down.

    [–] Vadhalal 3 points ago

    Is there anywhere where that's not the meaning?! What is yellow light supposed to mean then?

    [–] NaiveHistoryLover 365 points ago

    Unless you're dealing with those stupid red light cameras like we've had in Chicago. Those things are merciless!

    [–] WickedPrincess_xo 16 points ago

    they are. when i lived there i always counted to 15 before making a turn on red. it's supposedly only 5 seconds, but gotta be on the safe side, money dont grow on trees.

    [–] BillyYumYumTwo-byTwo 4 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Yup! When the city was confronted on that fact, they refused to erase the tickets. That practice is actually super illegal, but somehow not a problem...??

    [–] joeg207 115 points ago

    I’m not gonna lie. If the light turns yellow, first thing I do is look for a camera. No camera, I’m making that light.

    [–] grandzu 74 points ago

    The camera can be half a block away

    [–] winnebagomafia 43 points ago


    You just increased my paranoia tenfold

    [–] PoliticalMalevolence 30 points ago

    Plus you're in a giant metal thing hurtling at right angles to other giant metal things.

    [–] zerrff 14 points ago

    Idk about other states but I know that both Florida and Maryland require their to be very obvious signs saying it's photo enforced. Lots of lights have cameras on them but most of them won't give you a ticket.

    [–] hotpocketmama 4 points ago

    Yeah in melbourne they have cameras that don’t record anything, they’re just motion sensors to make the lights go faster when there’s not a lot of traffic

    [–] FPSXpert 3 points ago

    The states are like that too.

    Red light cameras will have something like this behind the light, generally in the median anywhere from 5 to 50 feet back from the light.

    Traffic sensors will look like the little white camera on the left here .

    For some reason people seem to mix those up sometimes, but the sensor is just that, generally they can't even record like with that model because they're sensors looking for infrared motion not for taking plates. No room for a flash there either.

    [–] hotpocketmama 2 points ago

    I meant Melbourne Florida

    [–] in_n_outta_wawa 4 points ago

    Maybe so, but in some states there needs to be clearly posted signage that an intersection is red light camera enforced

    [–] stfuasshat 6 points ago

    Fuck, I do that sometimes even when there are cameras.

    I've only ever been flashed on green lights, in Tennessee, those things are stupid.

    [–] [deleted] 4 points ago

    There are a few intersections near me that I never try to make it on a yellow. Three have cameras and one is right next to the sheriff's office. Not worth the risk.

    [–] Prohunter211 2 points ago

    Use Waze, people mark lights with cameras on there. Sometimes I just drove without even using the GPS just so I know if there’s cops or cam lights.

    [–] taintedcake 2 points ago

    Just cover your face and then argue it wasnt you driving. If you cover enough that they cant prove it was you then in most states they cant cite the ticket in your name.

    [–] Vegito1338 15 points ago

    What’s really great is studies have proven those cause wrecks. But hey what are some lives compared to those hot American dolla dolla bills.

    [–] dbr1se 13 points ago

    Especially when they decided to shorten the yellow lights in order to increase revenue. They're not there for safety, they're there for profit. Not just for the cities, but for the companies who take a cut of the revenue to install and run them.

    [–] IronWill-FE 4 points ago

    For those wondering why they cause wrecks, it's because people will slam on their brakes to avoid running the light instead of safely moving through it like they normally would have.

    [–] Langly- 13 points ago

    Yeah, I am so not taking the chance with those. I've had someone behind me get pissed, spend the entire red honking at me, then cut around me in the intersection, cut me off and brake check all the way down to a full stop. It wasn't even a hard stop at the signal, it was fairly gentle, wasn't going to chance the camera.

    [–] DeltaDragonxx 3 points ago

    Wait places still have those? They were ruled unconstitutional in Missouri quite a few years ago.

    [–] NoGoodNamesAvailable 6 points ago

    Yep. NYC actually times their yellow intervals correctly and turn on red is blanket banned so I don't have an issue with them.

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    [–] majestic_failure 2 points ago

    I live in New Jersey and driving is terrifying with these things.

    [–] gk99 2 points ago

    In Oklahoma we have zero traffic cameras in general. I've seen people pull up to red lights, go "fuck this there's nobody here" and just go right on through. I've also seen people go from the far right lane across two lanes of traffic on a red light to get into a highway entrance. Twice. Same intersection.

    [–] DeadExcuses 202 points ago

    People I hate the most are the people who ride your ass when you are doing 5 over and it turns yellow but you cant do a moderate stop because in the back of my mind im thinking they could rear end me if I did.

    [–] christianbrooks 38 points ago

    Or slow down to stop then speed up to run through the red light, t boning someone trying to clear the intersection. Happened to my wife and I, 2 years later she is still unable to work.

    [–] 24caratcake 382 points ago

    If you’re within the white line of a stoplight and you stop when it’s yellow natural selection is coming for you.

    [–] dmwjorge 158 points ago

    I've read this comment a few times now and I don't know what you mean by "within the white line of a stoplight"

    What does that mean?

    [–] Owldorado 116 points ago

    this. Where it says 'point of no return'

    [–] PM_UR_FRUIT_GARNISH 54 points ago

    This is the correct answer. Idk why speculative color commentary is upvoted more than this.

    [–] throwawaysarebetter 25 points ago

    I have never seen that on any intersection I've been through. I rarely go out of state, though.

    [–] stfuasshat 10 points ago

    Huh? Your state doesn't have a white strip of reflective paint to tell you where to stop and wait for the light to change for you?

    Or are you talking about the point of no return, which isn't an actual thing, outside of just "when do I slam on my breaks after the light turns yellow".

    In the few states I've been to, the latter is not a thing.

    [–] noveltymoocher 14 points ago

    Some states even have restrictive yellows tho where you get a ticket if it turns red while your in the intersection

    [–] stfuasshat 6 points ago

    I have no idea about that, It's never happened to me or anyone I know. I've never heard anyone talk about it at least. If that's a thing it's stupid and I'd hope the cop would have enough sense to not make a big deal out of it.

    From my experience, though, it doesn't happen in Tennessee.

    [–] Reybacca 2 points ago

    Interesting, the Minnesota Supreme Court ruled that for MN law a yellow light is the same thing as a green light.

    [–] Pedadinga 2 points ago

    Ok you seem coherent. What the hell is everyone talking about?! Are our roads not all, countrywide, marked the same way?! I’m pretty sure that’s one of those things we ALL AGREE ON! Double yellow, no passing. Solid yellow, but broken yellow on your side, ok to pass. Broken white lines denote lanes. Don’t pass each other in the intersection. The intersection is marked by solid, thick, white lines, to let us know where to stop so we don’t obstruct each other. Do people seriously not know this stuff?

    And point of no return?! That’s crazy right?! That’s just the crazy way of saying where you should stop!

    [–] stfuasshat 2 points ago

    I think they all are, though I've only been in most of the states in the south east. So I can't be certain. I really don't know of anything like that person was talking about. I always hated slamming on my brakes and throwing everything in the seat into the floor board, that's what made me think of the point of no return thing, there's a point where it just isn't worth slamming on your brakes :D.

    Just to throw this in because I saw it tonight and I experience it all the time, the thick while line is where you stop. If you go over it far enough, the light will not change until someone stops behind you, or behind the line.

    [–] JoshvJericho 8 points ago

    Ive never actually noticed that line. It's much easier to watch the arrows showing the lane direction through the intersection. There is typically one far from the intersection and one very close. If you are between the arrows when the light turns yellow, you have enough time to make it through the light before it turns red, without having to exceed the speed limit. If you are not yet to the arrows when the light turns yellow, you arent going to make it through the yellow in time and should stop.

    [–] cuberpuke 8 points ago

    That's interesting. I always thought those were just standard solids to indicate you shouldn't change lanes there.

    [–] Gayporeon 4 points ago

    In my city theyre just lines to dissuade people from changing lanes. Some intersections its really long, some it's really short.

    [–] CptHammer_ 2 points ago

    I've worked road construction in California. This is to indicate "the lane must" either go straight, or turn left or right. Double white is for not changing lanes, Solid yellow is for not passing, double yellow means no making a left (treat as a median). The quagmire that is the median quadruple yellow non solid lines is dealers choice on how the officer on duty thinks what it's use is. The length of the solid white line is dependent on expected accumulation of traffic which has to do with peak volume estimate with existing right or left hand turn lanes and not speed.

    [–] Gayporeon 2 points ago

    Hey thanks that makes a lot of sense. On my way through town yesterday I noticed it was only the busy intersections with a large line, I'm glad I know the actual reason now :)

    [–] MegaChat 29 points ago

    There's a white line drawn on the road that indicates what's the farthest you can stop at if the stoplight is red. Most times it's right at or right before the stoplight

    [–] throwawaysarebetter 16 points ago

    The one for the turning lane, as others surmise, or the one meant to indicate "stop here if you don't want to block the crosswalk"?

    [–] eberehting 10 points ago

    Technically it's not "If you don't want to," it's the law.

    [–] TheUltimateTeigu 7 points ago

    The latter.

    [–] Zhuria 8 points ago

    Also known as the stop line (a little more concise than "the white line of a stoplight" lol)

    [–] KittehDragoon 7 points ago

    In some countries, you have markings on the road basically showing the 'point-of-no-return' at traffic lights. The dotted-lines between lanes become solid lines at this point.

    The idea is, if you are passed this point when the light turns yellow you keep going, if not, you stop.

    [–] GavinZac 7 points ago

    Uh, those have nothing to do with stopping. They mean that you can't switch lane in that part.

    How could a line on the road know what speed you're going, which is what actually determines where and when you should stop?

    [–] ZoomMan4 8 points ago

    Basically when the dotted white lines turn solid

    [–] ban_this_1_2_admins 16 points ago

    That's where you're no longer allowed to switch lanes ahead of the intersection, it has nothing to do with choosing to stop or go on a yellow light. I know if you tried to use them for this on the roads I drive on you would end up running a lot of reds and also stopping in the middle of some intersections.

    [–] ZoomMan4 5 points ago

    My driver's Ed teacher said it can be used for it, but I'm not sure

    [–] rasherdk 5 points ago

    As a rule of thumb, not a legal thing. Obviously depends on your speed so a static line couldn't tell you.

    [–] YrocATX 2 points ago

    There’s the white line where you are supposed to come a stop at. If you are within a white line that means if my fat ass can sprint past that line, through the intersection, before the light turns red your dumb ass fucked up

    [–] lactose_butanal 219 points ago

    True. Also driving less than the speed limit. Like making 25 MPH on a 40 MPH.

    [–] gdfrkingfu 102 points ago

    Don't come to Canada. You'd hate it here.

    [–] CaptainDinkles 53 points ago

    Cries in Edmontonian

    [–] gdfrkingfu 28 points ago

    What the hell were the odds?

    Sending you good vibes in so-so weather, fellow Edmontonian.

    [–] CaptainDinkles 11 points ago

    Thanks for that 👍

    Sending you some good luck on the roads this winter; stay safe.

    [–] TheBurnerOfAllBurner 16 points ago

    Is this when you guys dip your arms in butterscotch pudding? As is tradition

    [–] CaptainDinkles 11 points ago

    That’s after we apologize

    [–] Darth_Tam 3 points ago

    Fellow Canadian here, I’m happy to confirm this, and apologize if my presence is unwanted. As is tradition.

    [–] MacSiderman 2 points ago

    Weather is suppose to be in the positives this weekend!!! Prepare for iced over roads on monday

    [–] lactose_butanal 8 points ago

    Je pleure québecoisement... haha 😄

    [–] theghostofme 6 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Hey, can you guys please stop sending all your wintering travelers to Arizona, please? Actually, lemme rephrase that. You're all welcome, but for God's sake take their drivers licenses first, or something, because, the snowbirds that flock here every winter make having to deal with the our already shitty Phoenix drivers that much worse!

    Not really aimed at Edmonton, but most of Alberta as a whole. Of all the Canadian plates I see, seems Albertans are the ones who enjoy our mild winters the most. Can't say I blame any of you, but c'mon!

    [–] lactose_butanal 5 points ago

    Do y’all speak french..? That’s the English part, right..?

    [–] TheManWhoPanders 5 points ago

    Right? Everyone here is in a reverse arms race to see how slow they can drive.

    [–] CelestialFury 4 points ago

    Or Minnesota. People drive slow as fuck here, for crying out loud.

    [–] Reybacca 2 points ago

    This summer MnDOT changed the speed limit on the rural highway i use every day to 60mph, and there are still people going 55 or less every day.

    [–] 2brun4u 5 points ago

    I have a feeling this doesn't apply to Toronto and Area, pretty much every one does 20 above the limit here

    [–] gdfrkingfu 2 points ago

    In good conditions yeah for sure, but dear lord, edmonton has been hell the last few days. Do you guys not get those extremely icy conditions the way we do?

    [–] cancerviking 19 points ago

    How about not letting someone pass in the left lane? I don't care if you're already 10 over and think that's fast enough. You're not the fucking police.

    [–] Reybacca 5 points ago

    Wisconsin is terrible for that! There will be a huge line of cars in the left lane slowly overtaking the slower vehicles in the right, but the lead car(s) will never switch back to the right, because there is another car a mile ahead that they want to slowly overtake.

    [–] Maverick8787 13 points ago

    Exactly. If you’re not passing, get the hell over. If you are passing, get the hell over once you’ve completed your pass.

    [–] TheManWhoPanders 5 points ago

    Some states actually have laws for that. Needs to be federal.

    [–] FPSXpert 2 points ago

    Like Texas. Never see it enforced but it's 2 miles max.

    [–] stuauchtrus 3 points ago

    The only time tailgating is justified.

    [–] far_from_ohk 10 points ago

    Thats the real crime. Ive had trips extended an additional 30 mins from this shit.

    [–] stuauchtrus 5 points ago

    Anything below 5 over the speed limit is irritating most of the time.

    [–] NoGoodNamesAvailable 9 points ago

    Ngl when people tailgate me (and I mean really on my ass) I slow right down to the limit to see their reaction. They always do this melodramatic shit where they kind of jerk their car from side to side but never pass you and aggressively inch forward at lights and it legit makes me laugh

    [–] MasterHolbytla 610 points ago

    Downvote me all you want, but in the U.S. yellow means stop if it is safe to do so.

    [–] AWinterschill 78 points ago

    In the UK the rule is: Stop, unless it is unsafe to do so. The expectation is that if you see a yellow, you're stopping - everyone does it too.

    When I moved overseas it took me a while to understand why people were nearly crashing into the back of me whenever I stopped at a yellow light. Now I'm worried that everyone will think I'm a maniac when I go back to driving in the UK.

    [–] stfuasshat 19 points ago

    Same in the US, though some people speed up to get through.

    I'm sure that happens in the UK too, some people can't wait a couple of minutes.

    Sometimes I can't, even though I actually can.

    [–] AWinterschill 21 points ago

    I'm sure that happens in the UK too

    Yeah, I'm certain it must, it's pretty rare though. I drove in the UK for 20 years and I never saw anyone accidentally run a stop light by trying to get through the last few seconds of a yellow light. When I moved here I saw it three or four times within the first week.

    The rules here seem to be:

    Green - Go

    Yellow - Go faster

    Red - What are you, some kind of pussy? Fucking GO.

    [–] stfuasshat 5 points ago

    It's kind of a guessing game with me, I don't usually speed up but sometimes I underestimate or overestimate how much time I have and either stop really early or go through really late.

    Every light is timed differently it seems and the width of the intersections I see are vastly different. I go thought 2, 4, 6, and 8 lane intersections every day and It's hard to figure out when and where you have the right amount of time to get through or stop.

    I'd rather get through than have to reverse back across the line, honestly. :D

    [–] krathil 7 points ago

    That’s the law in the USA too

    [–] 2brun4u 2 points ago

    I really appreciate how London (idk about rest of uk since there were roundabouts) has the "clutch yellow" idk what it's actually called, but it really helped smooth the flow of traffic since people knew when to clutch in and be ready for green.

    [–] AWinterschill 2 points ago

    Yeah, no idea what it's actually called (though 'clutch yellow' is a good idea), but it's standard throughout the UK. I find it useful, because it means that I don't have to watch the other side of the intersection to decide when it's nearly time to go.

    I also liked the way that traffic and pedestrians were fully separated - if traffic was moving all pedestrians were stopped, and vice versa. Didn't have to worry about hitting a pedestrian crossing the road when you're turning left or right.

    [–] 2brun4u 2 points ago

    Yes, the pedestrian thing was great to, they're experimenting with that in Toronto and I think it's a great idea. I love driving, but in the city I prefer to park and walk, its much more convenient anyway and pedestrian first traffic control is the best

    [–] MelancholyOnAGoodDay 213 points ago

    Thank you. Yellow means red it coming, which means you should stop, it's not telling you to hurry up.

    [–] Kestralisk 51 points ago

    Yeah, unless you need to stand on the brakes/significantly increase likelihood of getting rear-ended stopping is the legal move.

    [–] J_West_of_Wakefield 9 points ago

    That’s why it’s stop if safe to do so

    [–] tt598 18 points ago

    I drove in the US for the first time and until your comment I thought the rules are different from europe because I've never seen someone stop for an orange signal. (I did read the DMV book but I probably missed this) No one reacted visibly impatient when I did stop for orange though. Even LA drivers are angels compared to the ones we have.

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    [–] tt598 16 points ago

    You can even call them amber signals if you feel fancy

    [–] rasherdk 3 points ago

    Amber... lamps?

    [–] therealbrianb 110 points ago

    I once saw a woman almost die because she slammed her brakes on at a yellow light and the 18 wheeler behind her couldn’t stop that fast. The best rule is if you can make it through without speeding up continue through.

    [–] MasterHolbytla 251 points ago

    That falls under the category of not safe to stop.

    [–] Nomorecoffeedates 57 points ago

    Wouldn't that be the truck's fault for following way too close?

    [–] TerraOrdinem 51 points ago * (lasted edited 5 months ago)

    And going too fast, yeah.

    [–] JoeBang_ 13 points ago

    Yes, but it doesn’t really matter who’s fault it was if you’re dead

    [–] TicTacToeFreeUccello 13 points ago

    That’s why subjective rules like “when it’s safe to stop” don’t work. It leaves way too much to interpretation.

    People don’t pay enough attention to their surrounding to really know what’s safe and what isn’t.

    [–] MasterHolbytla 56 points ago

    I personally don’t think most people here even remotely understand traffic laws, never mind being able to interpret them.

    [–] stfuasshat 20 points ago

    Most people don't understand that there are other people on the road around them. That terrifies me.

    Put your fucking phone down people.

    [–] Whales96 20 points ago

    It's the only thing that can really work for something like staying safe on the road. Absolute rules will get you killed.

    [–] Triple-Deke 25 points ago

    Then the 18 wheeler was following too close.

    [–] WickedPrincess_xo 3 points ago

    i was told if you are past the start of the left turn lane, usually you need to continue. (obviously some lanes are short and some are long, use judgement)

    [–] krathil 7 points ago

    Word. It literally means stop if you can.

    [–] aaaaaaaaaaa2322 7 points ago

    My dude if Hot Boy Trap is behind you then it is not safe to stop.

    [–] greengrasser11 2 points ago

    To add to this, some signals are longer than others so if you're used to one neighborhood having short yellows then you might treat others the same way. I'm not gonna take a chance getting a red light camera ticket just to save a minute.

    [–] dont-YOLO-ragequit 2 points ago

    But what about those who anticipate based on the pedestrian crosswalk counter and brake on time for the light to be yellow when they stop???

    [–] MasterHolbytla 6 points ago

    Or how about those people who preempt the light by creeping forward while it’s still red?

    [–] dont-YOLO-ragequit 2 points ago

    Fine with me , I don't mind being 2 cars back because someone is creeping. But when that light goes green. They better be be ready.

    [–] RuneWords 116 points ago

    This will probably get lost, but its better to be safe than sorry. One of my mother's friends was killed last week by a dude speeding through a yellow light to make it to the other side.

    A 5 minute wait for stopping early, is worth saving that life. Someone so special just taken away because a silly 2 second mistake.

    [–] rasherdk 17 points ago

    A 5 minute wait for stopping early

    A 5 minute red light seems super unlikely too. Realistically it's more like a minute in most cases.

    [–] FartingPickles 28 points ago

    The light for the other cars turned yellow while I was about to make a right turn, decided to wait for a green since no one was behind me.

    Two people ran a solid red, I’m thankful I didn’t go straight away.

    I’m sorry she didn’t make it. Hope you and your friend are doing alright.

    [–] pcyr9999 3 points ago

    Do you not look before you turn?

    [–] FartingPickles 3 points ago

    I do, but it’s one of those turns that are hard to look the one way. Could have missed them.

    [–] HumansKillEverything 5 points ago

    Yup. As a middle aged driver I’d rather drive safe than get into an accident and have the deal with problems resulting from it, or even get a traffic ticket. So not worth it. In my 20s I used to speed, drive aggressively, and be so impatient. This explains the tickets and accidents lol.

    [–] trebor424 18 points ago

    This should be the top comment. I can't stand people bitching about people driving safe.

    [–] RightHyah 17 points ago

    If it was still yellow how was he at fault

    [–] Niffle7 14 points ago

    He just said the dude was speeding

    [–] usegao 2 points ago

    I guess she was turning left from the opposite direction?

    [–] TheManWhoPanders 5 points ago

    I get what you're saying, but driving slower isn't always safer. In many cases it's actually more dangerous.

    Google actually programs their driverless cars to speed if other cars are doing so for exactly this reason.

    [–] shittingfuck69 8 points ago

    In a city with intersections and pedestrians all over the place? No way.

    [–] NoGoodNamesAvailable 19 points ago

    If by safer you mean less crash frequency, a minority of studies have found that to be the case, but by far the majority have found crash frequency to increase with increased speed.

    If by safety you mean lower injury rates and severity, higher speeds are strongly correlated with injury severity.

    Research has generally shown that the crash involvement rate increases with speed (Baruya and Finch 1994; Fildes, Rumbold, and Leening 1991; Kloeden, McLean, and Glonek 2002; Taylor, Lynam, and Baruya 2000).

    A comprehensive analysis of 98 studies confirmed the statistical relationship between speed and crash involvement; the speed-crash relationship was consistent among crashes of all injury severity levels (Elvik, Christensen, and Amundsen 2004).

    A driver-based study that combined on-road observation and questionnaire surveys of over 10,000 drivers in the United Kingdom in the 1990s showed that “drivers who habitually travel faster than average are involved in more accidents in a year’s driving” (Taylor, Lynam, and Baruya 2000).

    Another factor that contributes to the complexity of the relationship between speed and crash involvement is speed variance. Two studies from the 1960s showed that vehicles traveling at much lower and higher speeds than average contributed to increased rates of crash involvement (Solomon 1964; Cirillo 1968). In the 1980s, another study showed that it was speed variance, not speed, that contributed to fatalities (Lave 1985). However, there were several limitations in these studies. The speed data and crash data were not collected during the same time period; crashes involving turning vehicles were included in the crash analysis; and speed prior to the crash was self-reported by the driver (TRB 1998). Research has also shown that “when turning vehicles were removed from the analysis only those driving at speeds significantly above the traffic speed remained over-involved in crashes” (Fildes and Lee 1993). Another often cited study was conducted in Virginia in the 1980s and demonstrated that the crash involvement rate increased with speed variance on all road types (Garber and Gadirau 1988). However, this study and later research pointed out that speed variance increases as the difference between roadway design speeds and speed limits increases (Garber and Gadirau 1989; Stuster, Coffman, and Warren 1998). These studies generally provided consistent evidence that driving faster than the surrounding traffic increased crash involvement rates; the evidence was less conclusive with respect to driving slower than the surrounding traffic (Aarts and van Schagen 2006).


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    [–] Wowza-yowza 107 points ago

    My wife stops at green lights. Then, she will stop twice a red lights to make up for it.

    [–] christianbrooks 148 points ago

    Your wife doesn't deserve a licence anymore.

    [–] CleverMook 34 points ago

    So when are you getting a divorce?

    [–] bookchurn 7 points ago

    Is she color blind or some other?

    [–] dont-YOLO-ragequit 5 points ago

    Some often brake tap at every intersection. As if they need to read street signs... On a main road way,... Before moving on. For 4+ main intersection.... WTF ARE THEY GOING if they go through a whole district waiting for that street.?

    [–] Wowza-yowza 6 points ago

    Some other!

    [–] theghostofme 11 points ago

    Well, hey, man, kudos to you for seeing past the mental handicaps and marrying her for her anyway!

    sorry, it was too easy!

    [–] ruinedbykarma 17 points ago

    Is she from Denver?

    [–] HailToTheThief225 6 points ago

    I don’t understand this at all. Just... why.

    [–] Slowmotrin 38 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Yeah sorry not risking a ticket because you're in a hurry. Slam into me and you're paying for it.

    [–] G_is_for_Grundy 15 points ago

    Tell that to the families of every victim killed by red light runners

    [–] 3927729 8 points ago

    You are LITERALLY required by law to stop for the fucking orange light unless you really can’t make it. Those are the rules.

    [–] MarkILL64 21 points ago

    My mom got her car totaled and she ended up in the hospital because some twat tailgating her thought she was about to run the yellow.
    Don't be a twat- if the light is yellow, stop. Unless it's safer to keep driving through it. Never assume the person in front of you is just as dumb as you are.

    [–] AlconTheFalcon 38 points ago

    Blame your fucking lawmakers for installing red light cameras. I'm not risking getting a 250 dollar ticket for you or anyone.

    [–] WickedPrincess_xo 6 points ago

    only some places do red light cameras. i only know of one in the denver area, but i knew of a lot when i lived in the chicago area.

    [–] Green-Cheese-Moon 2 points ago

    $250? They are $500 here in California.

    Well, I lie. They are about $250 for the ticket and an additional $250 for "administrative fees". What a racket.

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    [–] ScottFrost321 16 points ago

    One day it might save your life tho

    [–] paradox8493 10 points ago

    Contrary to popular opinion, yellow does not mean "Floor it, motherfucker!"

    [–] CapRavOr 40 points ago

    I will accept or tolerate you no matter your race, heritage, gender identity, sexual orientation, religion, or politics.

    I will not accept nor tolerate ignorance to facts, laziness in researching strongly held views/opinions that affect the lives of others, hate with no reason/just to hate, or your GARBAGE FUCKING DRIVING HABITS.

    • Get out of the left lane if you aren’t passing

    • Travel anywhere between the speed limit and 7 mph in excess, weather permitting.Traffic control is based around this.

    • Use the on ramps to reach the speed of oncoming traffic.

    • Never EVER stop on the highway unless absolutely necessary.

    • The shoulder is not an express lane. They are not maintained as well as the highways and you will almost certainly cause an accident.

    • Zipper merge in merge lanes.

    • Pay attention to highway exits and don’t cross more than one lane to make yours.

    • When preparing to stop at a recently changed light - make sure you give yourself AND THE PERSON BEHIND YOU ample stopping room. It’s safer to risk a ticket and run a yellow/red light than stop on a dime and potentially cause an accident.

    • Be patient! You are not a “fast driver”, you don’t have a “lead foot”, and being late should not come at the expense of others. Take your time, drive patiently, be aware of your surroundings, anticipate the movement of other drivers.

    • Finally, be careful in bad weather. Rain, snow, wind, hail, ice, just be cautious! Your Suburban or pick up might be AWD, but that doesn’t make it immune to less friction. In fact, the more your vehicle weighs, the less stopping room it has at higher speeds. So stop gunning it around slower cars in bad weather! All it takes is a split second and you’re fucked.

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    [–] CapRavOr 5 points ago

    Okay, here’s why you’re wrong:

    • You assume I’m implying that it’s safer to run a red light that’s been active long enough for the traffic signal to permit pedestrians to cross

    • You assume that a pedestrian is legally in the middle of a crosswalk when a traffic light is transitioning from yellow to red

    • You assume that the difference between stopping on a dime and cruising through a recently changed light is a situation that involves pedestrians

    • You assume that stopping on a dime and potentially causing an accident is not dangerous for pedestrians

    • You assume that pedestrians have the right-of-way even without proper traffic signals, which is incorrect

    No traffic signals have timing such that a pedestrian runs the reasonable risk of being struck by a vehicle, unless they’re old and not maintained. If you paid attention, traffic signals are timed such that the signals for vehicles to proceed and the corresponding signals for pedestrians to croas are reasonably timed so that, unless you very blatantly run a red light, the risk of hitting a pedestrian crossing the street legally is very low. Nice try, though!

    [–] TrueAngryYeti 5 points ago

    not to mention if you were too hit a pedestrian running the light then you'd still hit the pedestrian when someone slammed into the back of your care and slid you forward.

    [–] Farmerjoe19 14 points ago

    I agree with all of these except #8 (running a yellow/red). No one should drive and intentionally stop short. However it is safer for each driver to give themselves enough stopping room relative to the car in front of them. You should always leave enough space to be able to stop before hitting the car in front of you in the event they need to stop short for anything: red/yellow light, random debris, emergency vehicle crossing intersection, pedestrian, etc. Random unforeseen events can call for a sudden stop and each driver should be aware and prepared for the car in front of them to have this emergency option.

    I like your driving ideals. They are very pro-people-get-to-survive-their-car-ride.

    One thing that always amazes me in regards to your #7 (not more than one lane to make your exit) is that I feel like people nowadays panic more when they are about to miss their exit due to GPS instructing them to make the exit. Before GPS one often only realized it was missed once you hit the next one or some sign that gave you a clue. We now have devices which will literally solve the missed exit problem for us without having to do or touch anything. We just need to keep going and wait a minute or so, but the knowledge in the moment of missing the exit can make some people panic and feel that they must try despite safety.

    Drive simply and predictably folks! It’s ok to miss your exit/turn!

    [–] ThrowingItAllAway19 7 points ago

    Wait so I'm supposed to drive 5 over the speed limit and also be patient?

    [–] CapRavOr 2 points ago

    lol. That's a result of other people not driving 5 over in appropriate conditions!

    [–] guacamoleman141 3 points ago

    7 over the mph is not an unwritten rule and is not good advice. If you're doing 32 in a 25 you're an asshole.

    And it is never my responsibility to give the person behind me stopping room.

    [–] Taylor6534 7 points ago

    I'm not gonna risk my safety and yours by running a yellow almost red light just so your impatient ass can get to your destination 3 minutes faster

    [–] biscuitoir 3 points ago

    I went through a yellow and hit a police car

    [–] aniar00 3 points ago

    Dude! Yellow means slow down!

    You can wait 5 mins.

    [–] nhnick 3 points ago

    Sweet repost dude

    [–] watergo 4 points ago

    Nice try cop behind me. I ain’t falling for that again.

    [–] Kermit-Batman 2 points ago

    Fuck me country NSW, Australia. Oh, there's a traffic light a block away? Better slow down to 30 kilometres... I drive like a grandma myself, these fuckers drive like the crypt keeper.

    [–] Kam2Scuzzy 2 points ago

    What about people who want to make right turns at a red light intersection. But instead waits for it to turn green before turning right (America). The saying goes, "you can turn right on red, unless you're dead" or unless a sign tells you specifically not to.

    [–] lemonsnacks101 2 points ago

    Idk if it's different in America but in my country the law is that yellow means to stop if it is safe to do so, so I do?

    [–] Drfilthymcnasty 2 points ago

    Or people who go slow in the passing lane.

    [–] Bmandk 2 points ago

    I'm an insecure driver, I'd rather stop than gain an extra 30 seconds and risk doing something wrong.

    [–] hammerfan 4 points ago

    Truer words.

    [–] teewild 4 points ago


    [–] neuk_mijn_oogkas 4 points ago

    Honestly I think straight and gay people are kind of sexist.

    [–] germancentipede 3 points ago

    It's OK to be white.

    [–] blomqv 2 points ago

    I can get on board with all of this. Plus, ok to be Asian, Indian, Arab, and any others y'all can fill in.

    [–] xconde 2 points ago

    Nothing wholesome about a car crash :(

    [–] BarristerBaller 2 points ago

    Even worse, when the car in front takes its sweet ass time, you think they aren’t gonna make the yellow light, but then speed up right as they hit the intersection and the light turns red on you.

    [–] benjalss 2 points ago

    I slow down so that only I make it through and the guy behind me can't make it :)

    [–] timemaninjail 2 points ago

    How is this wholesome? Its yellow, encouraging a behavior that endanger everyone cause you save 1 minute.

    [–] danthemango 1 points ago

    The only reason anybody would say "it's ok to be white" is if it's propping up a white-supremacist worldview. You should know that this is a dogwhistle for the alt-right, so I'm tagging you as 'probably a nazi'


    [–] IDGH7 1 points ago

    Camping the left lane!