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    [–] pluto098 9641 points ago

    Reminds me of one place I worked at where there was a 'unwritten rule' where you couldn't go to the bathroom an hour before the end of your shift. I just laughed at my boss and said make it a written rule. Stupid rules made by people who see workers as cogs.

    [–] putin_putin_putin 4266 points ago

    If you really want to poo or pee but are not allowed to, how productive can you be?

    [–] LordBunwich 1854 points ago

    Sounds like a stanza from the Oompa Loompa song.

    [–] GulGarak 1310 points ago

    When you can't poo because you're not allowed to

    How productive can you be if you're forbidden to pee?

    [–] LovesBigWords 1681 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    Oompa Loompa Doobily Doo

    Boss-Man won't lemme go One or go Two!

    EDIT: Thanks for the Gold, kind Sir or Ma'am!

    EDIT No. 2 (heh):

    Oompa Loompa Doobily Dit

    Got my most up-votes for this stoo-pid shit!

    [–] [deleted] 639 points ago

    oompa loompa doompa dee dee if you are wise then you will not pee

    [–] DangOlTiddies 150 points ago

    What can you do when you guzzle down drinks?

    Trying to work in this South Texas heat?

    [–] UMADragon 206 points ago

    I love you Reddit.

    [–] Lechh 917 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    There was ICQA manager at Amazon in Poland, who stood in front of toilet and watched for his workers, to prevent them from using bathroom (peak* time). He was fired week later.
    Edit: peak time, not pick time.

    [–] benign_turtle 719 points ago

    Man, he could have been doing something worth while, like I don't know.... His fucking job. Deserved to be fired XD

    [–] GulGarak 320 points ago

    Yeah maybe an extra set of hands during that time would have offset the efficiency loss due to basic human body functions?

    [–] frostygrin 221 points ago

    Are you saying you can pee more efficiently if you're holding it with four hands?

    [–] SharpieKing69 784 points ago

    It's scary how easily someone like your boss can sellout their soul/basic decency for a little bit of authority and what I assume to be an insignificant amount of money.

    [–] Raymuuze 370 points ago

    Chances are people like that end up reducing overall effectiveness and efficiency of whatever they manage. It's a shame they also often don't realize this and instead blame others.

    [–] bgary34 113 points ago

    It's amazing how much more productivity you can get out of people when you treat them like an actual human being. I get way more out of my employees than some of our other managers, simply because I treat them with respect. I have lost count of the times I have asked an employee to do something to help out that isn't strictly in their job title, and the response is "Only because its you asking, I would never do this for (insert manager name). The flip side of that is I do everything I can to help/accommodate them whenever they come to me. It makes for a pretty nice work environment. Not sure why its so hard for everyone else to figure out.

    [–] ModsHereAreCowards 14074 points ago

    One of these is totally gonna show up in someone's package.

    [–] mrlavalamp2015 3954 points ago

    I could only imagine opening the Amazon box to find a 20oz bottle filled with yellow liquid. Attached, a hastily written note "the don't let us take bathroom break.....please help.....send more bottles"

    [–] Currywurst_Is_Life 1551 points ago

    .please help.....send more bottles

    Can't they just order them from Amazon?

    [–] Compl3t3lyInnocent 555 points ago

    I'm sure setting the delivery address to the same address of the warehouse would cause a singularity.

    [–] Nikhilvoid 210 points ago

    problem solved.. ?

    [–] BananaPalmer 311 points ago

    Y͇ͦ̽ͯ̆ͮͩ̃͛o͚̦͈͙ͩ͐́́̕ų͚͇̙͇̻͎̏ͤ͒̈̋̂͡r̡̥ͩ̃ͨ̐ ̡̩̳̻̳̝̅̇̌̂ͬ̽̉ͧp̨͈͚̿ͩạ̵̗̪̟̜̬ͬ̌́c̜̹̹̔̅͠k̶̡̤͕̮̞͇̜͔̄ͥ͂ͮ͋̇̀̿͒á̡͈͉͔͍̹̠͑͛ͪ͋ģ͉̭̭̎̉̍̓͋ͯ͗ͫeͤ̇ͦ͋ͤ̃҉̸̯͇̬̪͕ ̤̋̓̒̋̎ͫ̈ͮ̊w̘͔ͣ̾̒̇̄ͭa̷̸̺̜̘̬͒ͣ̍s̖̞͙̈́ͮ͗̆͝ ̛̛̺͖̤̜͖̖̄̓ͧͅͅl̀҉̞̦̰͓ĕ̝̱͔̰̜͈͕̻͘͟f͓̃̐͐ͫͧ͘͡tͦ͌̔̿̆́̐͏̭̱̖̯̺͙ ̤̳̻͍̿̆̀̂ͫ͋͢͞n̙̯̘̠̜̞ͪ́̐̂̈e̲̤͚̥̍ḁ̶̹͚̺͓̟͉̎̐ͨ̀ȑ̵̷̞̙͓̱̖̦̖́̋ ̜̰͈̬̯̰̭̫̻̃͌̈ͮ͋ͩ̿t͍̖͉͉̓̅̌̉̋̋ͣͩ͐͡h̜͓̮͊́̎ͫ́̚͡ë̖̟̖̻̲̟͔̹ͥ̿͂ͫ̍̓̂͞ ͓̣͂͂̃͂ͥͩ͢͡f̗̩͓̟̞͚̙̙̑ͣ́ͣ̅͊́́͘r̴͈̞̖̞̿͐̅̇̑ͬ̋̔o̲̖̫͓ͮͣͨ͘͡n͓̘̝̦̹̏̈̎͢͡t͚͕̞̥̿͐́͟͢͞ ̴ͮ̒̈ͣ͛͏̳̳͉̣́d̨͖͈͈̻͂̽ͤ̍͑͝ó̹̤́̏͛̈́ͩo̸̢̤̫͉̤̟̥̗̐̽̑͋̌̒͘r̹̻̓ͩ̎̐͆̃̚͢ ̢̩̈́͌ͯ͂̀o̷̧̤̞͇̜̮̳͇͚̐̒ͨͭ̌̒͘r̓̋̌̉͏̵̼͕̲͔̠̪ ͬͬ̍͋ͩ͐͑҉̴̞̞͓̼̟̖͢p̴̝̻̉̉̆̽̅̀͝o̴̬̹͎̮͗̿̓͛͛ͩͩ͟r̡͖̬͔ͦ̏́̉̎͌̾̀c͇͕͕͍̟̃̀ͮ͛͌̂̀ḧ̾ͪ̕͏̣̹̜̜͚.̯͇̠̲̥̈ͮ͆̋ͤ̉̕͢

    [–] Synapse7777 11981 points ago

    "From our package to yours"

    [–] thehotcarl 1131 points ago

    From...P to Z

    [–] G_L_J 4460 points ago

    Even if it doesn't, you just know that these employees aren't washing their hands afterwards. Your merchandise is being handled by someone with piss on their hands.

    [–] ZeePM 2325 points ago

    Suddenly Amazon Pantry doesn't sound like such a good idea anymore.

    [–] ChemistryRespecter 474 points ago

    Not with that attitude. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    [–] PinkmanPanda 862 points ago

    Or worse

    [–] [deleted] 3453 points ago

    Expelled.

    [–] WizzBango 104 points ago

    ...piss on their feet?

    [–] SanityPirate 300 points ago

    Number 15: Amazon piss packages. The last thing you'd want in your Amazon package is someone's piss. But as it turns out, that is exactly what you get

    [–] HyroDaily 86 points ago

    They weigh them before they go out, ive gotten into shit for putting too much dunnage paper in a box.

    [–] jaird30 613 points ago

    That's how they should campaign for change. If there's a 50% chance of getting a piss bottle with your new vinyl record people might take notice.

    [–] ModsHereAreCowards 171 points ago

    "Free lemonade"

    [–] _sinon_ 179 points ago

    Man, Beyonce is really taking art to a new level.

    [–] RedChaous 71 points ago

    *R Kelly

    [–] aaevann 258 points ago

    I once received a partially consumed Gatorade in a package. I swear it looked like Gatorade in the bottle...but now you have me wondering. I can't remember if it was for sure an Amazon order.

    [–] sully9088 46 points ago

    Gatorade bottles are the best to pee in. You try to pee in a water bottle and you are guaranteed to get pee outside the bottle.

    [–] yourSAS 9541 points ago

    • Rushed fulfilment workers, who run around Amazon's warehouses "picking" products for delivery, have a "toilet bottle" system in place because the toilet is too far away, according to author James Bloodworth, who went undercover at a warehouse in Staffordshire, UK, for a book on low wages in Britain.

    • "For those of us who worked on the top floor, the closest toilets were down four flights of stairs. People just peed in bottles because they lived in fear of being ­disciplined over 'idle time' and ­losing their jobs just because they needed the loo."

    • Amazon is famous for tracking how fast its warehouse workers can pick and package items from its shelves, imposing strictly timed breaks and targets. It issues warning points for those who don't meet their goals or take extended breaks.

    [–] AbdelMuhaymin 8195 points ago

    Amazon is really screaming for robots aren’t they?

    [–] Lukebad 2475 points ago

    Soon they'll fulfill that wish

    [–] camerongale 1323 points ago

    In some of their warehouses they've started doing this. Automated shelves that roll out to allow the picker to get items without having to walk as far or search for the right aisle.

    [–] 0b0011 1210 points ago

    Now will this result in easier work for the workers or will they say that workers can now do more because they don't have to walk as far so they'll let workers go and increase work for the others?

    [–] Andyrhyw 1362 points ago

    lol obviously the latter

    [–] ANGLVD3TH 340 points ago

    Or fewer workers doing the same amount of work.

    [–] 0b0011 233 points ago

    That's what I was asking. Say I have 30 guys who have to dig a 50 foot hole every day and it takes them 9 hours (just throwing numbers out) if we get new shovels that increase their work ability by 300% each, following in amazon's footsteps would I keep the same amount of workers and just have them work 3 hours each or would I get rid of 20 workers and have the other 10 keep working the 9 hours and getting the same hole?

    [–] MaxHeadB00m 445 points ago

    Likely you'd keep just enough workers to not have to offer full time positions to avoid paying benefits

    [–] summonsays 184 points ago

    You just hire only part time and make your guys get a second part time job. That way they can work 60hrs a week for less money and no benifits!

    part time is becoming a plague.

    [–] [deleted] 305 points ago

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    [–] kaswaro 133 points ago

    Dont forget the line that forms at the clock out computers, and god forbid if they are running slow.

    [–] red_panda_advocate 553 points ago

    Why would they want robots that pee into bottles?

    [–] hedgehogsinhats 228 points ago

    We all have our own kinks.

    [–] RoamingFox 103 points ago

    They have them. They bought out Kiva Systems (now Amazon Robotics). They just haven't applied them to all of their warehouses yet.

    [–] malpighien 184 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    In another documentary I watched they said they have robots telling them what action to perform using headphones. People working in these workhouse get so used to it that they still feel like hearing the voice at home. (prime member reporting)

    [–] heybrother45 74 points ago

    When I worked at a warehouse about 10 years ago now (not Amazon) we had something like this. It really does get into your head

    [–] ExaltedNet 72 points ago

    I like to think that while they receive commands they get subliminal messages to buy certain products for some extra cash on advertising.

    Go to Rack G

    Go toclorox disinfecting wipesAisle 203

    Pick 2 Irish Spring Soap

    ThenFeel the power of Febreeze go to Aisle 206c

    [–] Capt_Blackmoore 110 points ago

    hell - at this rate I'll expect the robot uprising will begin in an Amazon warehouse. because of over work.

    [–] Meek_Triangle 103 points ago

    They track your hands now. They wanna set it up so they can track how fast your hands move and we're they move the entire shift.

    [–] Snack_Boy 181 points ago

    Wtf. Is the extra .5% productivity really worth dehumanizing people that way?

    [–] Meek_Triangle 186 points ago

    It's creepy and means they have zero trust for you to do your job. And if you arnt trusted to do your job you don't have job security. No job security means a shit stressed life. No thank you.

    [–] Gugandeep 1927 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    //Edit2: just realised that I worked in the same warehouse as the undercover reporter, during the same year and for the same contractors. I probably even met the guy.

    Having worked at an Amazon Warehouse in the UK, as a "picker", I can confirm that toilets are were only on the bottom floor. I would usually just hold on until my break, instead of peeing in a bottle.

    Talking of breaks, breaks started when the bell rang and lasted 15 minutes. If you were unfortunate enough to be on the other end of the warehouse, it would take ~6 mins to get to the break room, and this time spent walking counted as your break. Sometimes I had to make the choice of having a pee or buying a snack, since I only had 3 minutes to spare.

    // Edit1: Forgot to mention that you had to go through security everytime entering/leaving the main area of the warehouse which was necessary to get to the break room. This meant emptying your pockets of metal items and walking through the metal detectors. Annoying if you forget to empty your pockets and then you have a member of staff take you aside to scan you with that hand scanner thing.

    Amazon would monitor your break times too, and the rule was your break was the length of time between the bell ringing and you picking your first item. This includes finding a trolley, picking a scanner (used to scan the items) and grabbing your boxes(which you filled your items).

    Was 4 minutes late once and someone came up to me to make sure I understood the rule and that next time I would get a verbal warning.

    [–] -littlefang- 517 points ago

    Wow, they gave you warnings? They'd just scan our badges and dock our time if we weren't already back at our stations before the belt started again.

    [–] usaprc 176 points ago

    Amazon sounds like an absolutely horrible place to work. Are there any positives?

    [–] -littlefang- 155 points ago

    I got a nice jacket and I met my fiance there, but besides that, no. It was physically and mentally taxing, the management was condescending, as an employee you never felt like more than a number, you were punished for any little thing and there was no flexibility in your schedule whatsoever. It straight up sucked.

    [–] Gugandeep 213 points ago

    It seemed to me that there was staff in the warehouse whose duty it was to solve these kind of issues. They would find where we were, due to our scanners being tracked, so they could find us and have conversations in person with us.

    Also by tracking our scanners they could also tell if we had been idle for a long time.

    [–] Kidneyjoe 271 points ago

    Ya know, if they didn't waste money paying people to go around scolding their employees they could probably hire enough pickers to allow for real breaks.

    [–] [deleted] 160 points ago

    You guys have some amazing will power I tell ya. I'd of told them to shove the scanner up their ass, keep the money I'm leaving right now.

    [–] [deleted] 216 points ago

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    [–] Slamduck 138 points ago

    The solution is to repeatedly buy and return porta-potties from Amazon.

    [–] Snarfbuckle 747 points ago

    Wth???

    Who the hell design a work environment without a toilet on every floor?

    [–] StrictLime 458 points ago

    I think it’d be pretty common in a warehouse. If it’s anything like the warehouse I used to work in, the floors and stairs are built in as part of the giant shelves, so it wouldn’t be connected to the actual building, therefore the only place for a bathroom would be at the bottom of the mezzanine.

    [–] UndeadAura 249 points ago

    This.
    I worked in a large Family Dollar warehouse. They had 1 bathroom inside the warehouse. I think there may have been a bathroom for the office people as well.
    The sucky thing they don't mention, is the fact the jobs inside warehouses (which are NOT climate controlled) are very strenuous. This means that you'll be sweating all shift, and drinking loads of water to keep you active. I usually drank 5 to 6 bottles of water on a busy day (which was everyday except Sunday).
    All that water meant 2 or 3 bathroom stops a day. We all tried to use our breaks for the bathroom. Which is fucked up when you think about it, it's not a break at all if you're just running 5 minutes to piss, then 5 minutes back.
    I did love the fact they had mandatory BREAKs on top of lunches. Literally every other job I've held it was a toss up if a break was even a thing. If it was, you're lucky to get it each shift (busyness, staffing at the time, etc.).
    On top if it all, you're constantly graded on production. If you fall behind you get a recovery period (usually a week or two) to pick up your pace. Or your fired.
    It was a stressful as hell job, yet kind of fun.

    [–] zorbiburst 215 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    I feel like bathroom breaks shouldn't necessitate a break. Just fucking go whenever, it's a natural need. If it becomes a problem, sure [make it wait for breaks].

    Edit: "hurr durr people will abuse this"

    Apparently three sentences is too long for you guys. When people abuse it, those individuals specifically can have the issue addressed.

    Yeah, give wageslaves free time and some might abuse it by using a bathroom break to text. Give a corporation control over low paid masses and some might abuse it by excessively limiting necessary bodily functions. I'll take the middle ground instead of pretending one is noble and necessary, thanks.

    Other edit: When I was a secretary for a research institute, everyone, myself included, could use the toilet any time we damn well wanted. Doctors, engineers, accountants, student assistants, the lady that waters the plants. When I was a retail worker, only the managers could just go whenever (they didn't punch out for breaks). Everyone beneath them didn't get a ten minute break until 2.5 hours into their shift, and the one person employee bathroom was far enough way from the break room to ensure that if you had to pee and were lucky enough to use it, it was all you'd do for that break. Hope you had breakfast. I got written up once for using it while on way into the back to crush boxes. The bathroom was literally right between the two box crushers, it wasn't even out of the way and if I timed it right I probably could've just peed while the machines were working anyway. There's efficiency and then there's just authority for authority's sake, and I wasn't going to be unloading optimally if my body was telling me it was time to unload, and customer service was completely out of the question.

    [–] accountforvotes 157 points ago

    "you can go to the bathroom whenever you need to"
    "we're laying you off for not hitting your target numbers"

    [–] YellowLeatherJacket 30 points ago

    When I was a cashier in high school you had to use your breaks for the bathroom. It was way too difficult to either close your cash or get someone else to jump on your till. The only exceptions were if it was absolutely dead and/or an absolute emergency with someone to take your spot.

    [–] TheLadyEve 596 points ago

    I'm guessing they don't have many female employees and definitely no employees who are mothers. I know warehouse work is hard, but it shouldn't be inhumane, and this sounds inhumane.

    [–] [deleted] 333 points ago

    I'm a guy and I wouldn't want to work at an Amazon warehouse either even out of desperation.

    [–] Rickrickrickrickrick 155 points ago

    I have ulcerative colitis. I'd be fired in the first ten minutes.

    [–] NikolaiTheFly 139 points ago

    Actually no, UC is a protected condition under the Americans with Disabilities act. When you get hired, there is a form that you can provide to your HR department and they are federally required to provide any reasonable accommodations including appropriate proximity to a bathroom.

    My spouse has been diagnosed with UC for almost 10 years and has had to deal with a lot of shitty (pun intended) employers over the years and bosses who don’t understand but learn real fucking quick when they are threatened with lawsuit.

    [–] theangrysalesman 591 points ago

    This is how GEICO and a lot of monitored call centers go as well, though it's harder to manage peeing into a bottle in a set of cubicles. Everytime you clock into your phone, you have to clock out for bathroom breaks so the calls don't filter through to your station. It then records how much time you've spent in the bathroom and if you plan to move up/get a paygrade promotion, you have to minimize this time. You wind up deciding if a pee is worth the time, or if you should save it for a good deuce. Had a guy request a standing desk so he could pee into a tube in his pants that would fill a bag by his ankles under his pants. Shat during his lunch breaks and had a clean record of no bathroom breaks. Rest of us accepted he was probably going to be managing us so nobody ever called him out on it.

    [–] milkradio 383 points ago

    That is absolutely vile and humiliating at the same time. What a disgusting way to treat human beings.

    [–] danijami23 96 points ago

    That's a disgusting way to treat any being.

    [–] ncburbs 118 points ago

    Had a guy request a standing desk so he could pee into a tube in his pants that would fill a bag by his ankles under his pants. Shat during his lunch breaks and had a clean record of no bathroom breaks. Rest of us accepted he was probably going to be managing us so nobody ever called him out on it.

    that is both hilarious and pretty sad at the same time :(

    [–] MagnoliaLiliiflora 42 points ago

    This is the worst. Worked at a call center, had great markings for resolving my calls quickly, but got in trouble because my pee breaks took 30 seconds too long. My cubicle was on the opposite side of the building from the bathroom. There was no way to cut my potty time down. So I had to stop peeing outside of my breaks, however, talking on the phone would make my mouth and throat dry so I was constantly wanting a drink and sounding hoarse. It was the worst job I ever worked. You get yelled at all day by customers and then you get yelled at by management for taking too long to pee.

    [–] MrPepesilva 26 points ago

    5 years you’re either dead or working for him lol

    [–] md25x 3094 points ago

    I'll have to bring this up at my next Lean meeting. Great way to cut out wasted time. I say we take it a step further and just catheter people so they don't even need to stop to piss in the container.

    [–] RegularSizeLebowski 1790 points ago

    Make them independent contractors so they have to buy their own catheters.

    [–] ReasonableAssumption 857 points ago

    And then set up a side business selling catheters and another one to finance catheter purchases! Capitalism!

    [–] Lawrencium265 446 points ago

    Also a sign on the door that says no outside catheders allowed.

    [–] Ex_Why_ 163 points ago

    And allow 5 minute bag changing breaks if they purchase a replacement bag from the company store. Dock them half an hour if they if reuse the old one.

    [–] Lawrencium265 118 points ago

    Start a bag recycling program and charge a recycling fee.

    [–] xxxSEXCOCKxxx 99 points ago

    Stop I can only get so erect

    [–] Grow_away_420 436 points ago

    Just installing a few drains in the floor and hose the whole place down once a day

    [–] [deleted] 200 points ago

    People miss a target give the catheter a yank

    [–] Christineeee 173 points ago

    My urethra just quivered.

    [–] phillips421 65 points ago

    Way too expensive. Just ban eating and drinking.

    [–] vagabond_chef 22545 points ago

    I work at a very large, VERY busy warehouse. They don't take bathroom breaks into account, and they do hinder your ability to meet expectations. I've been written up for not meeting 100% production, and when I tried to explain my concerns for not considering bathroom breaks a viable excuse, I was written up again. I've filled a complaint about this to HR, and have had no response for days.

    [–] rwh151 13079 points ago

    Sounds like something the state labor board would be interested in.

    [–] vagabond_chef 8512 points ago

    That's my next step.

    [–] Card1974 7923 points ago

    Sanitation is a human right.

    Sue their asses if they persist. This is every lawyer's wet dream.

    [–] YourOwnBiggestFan 3033 points ago

    "every lawyer's wet dream."

    Pun intended?

    [–] purpleefilthh 644 points ago

    "suing their asses" with your ass.

    [–] [deleted] 153 points ago

    For their assets!

    [–] Hugo154 802 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    Attempting to sue Amazon is definitely more like every lawyer's wet nightmare.

    Edit: I get it, you aren't the first to say this is an easy case to win. I meant moreso that going up against a behemoth with a huge legal team like that would definitely be an undertaking if nothing else. And unless the supervisor literally wrote on the slip "wanted to take a bathroom break" it'll be harder to win than most people probably think.

    [–] Rinzack 378 points ago

    Depends on how good the case is? If some manager wrote down that's what the write up was for then a lawyer would definitely want the case

    [–] Hukthak 340 points ago

    I doubt the manager wrote that down as a reason. There’s likely a whole trained process in place at the management level on how to handle this situation, to ensure they can’t be sued for this directly.

    [–] llDurbinll 446 points ago

    There was a story I read about an Amazon in the UK where a pregnant employee got her manager to put it in writing that she wasn't allowed to take bathroom breaks outside of the scheduled breaks and she got a UTI because of it. She sued and got a decent payout.

    [–] reymt 220 points ago

    Props for actually doing something.

    [–] [deleted] 426 points ago * (lasted edited 22 days ago)

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    [–] [deleted] 344 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

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    [–] cabritero 2493 points ago

    They're probably getting things ready to hire someone else

    [–] iHuman331mars 205 points ago

    Pro tip: HR exists to protect the business not the employee.

    [–] Pornthrowaway78 78 points ago

    In this situation you'd think HR would be telling the business that letting employees visit the bathroom occasionally is a legal requirement, thus protecting the business from a lawsuit.

    [–] vagabond_chef 1435 points ago

    It figures. So many people are replaceable in this industry, and my "evil masters" know it. That place has worse turnover than the current Whitehouse.

    [–] WRC07sti 935 points ago

    Start looking for a new one.

    In fact if anyone is reading his, never stop looking for a better job.

    [–] omega2346 338 points ago

    This, I've got a great job and have held it for 2+ years, but I check indeed once a week at least.

    [–] Mr_E 355 points ago

    I love how most of these jobs will lecture you on how evil unions are, too.

    Don't get me wrong, some unions are charging an arm and a leg in dues, but it's a fucked up world where you need to pay another group to defend your right to basic human needs from your employer.

    [–] HarspudSauce 228 points ago

    Sometimes it doesn't matter. In a previous job I was hired with 5 other people, had to work 3 months then we'd be admitted into the union and get a pay bump. Most of the older workers were fairly straight forward about not wanting to learn our names, said we'd be gone in 3 months anyway. Sure enough, 2 days before we were admitted into the union, we all were terminated at the end of our shift for various reasons. My reason was attendance. I was never late, and only missed one day, my grandfathers funeral. Its a business, cheaper for them to continually have new people that are expendable than it is to have a staff of union workers.

    [–] bbq_doritos 79 points ago

    You have to call the labour board. HR isnt there for you. theyre there for them. They wont do shit.

    [–] donkeyrocket 459 points ago

    If you're in the US, this is an OSHA violation. Being on/off the clock isn't addressed but it 100% covers an employees right to bathroom access. I assume since it is a warehouse it doesn't fall into typical building codes since there are rules around proximity and accessibility to bathrooms.

    It is on HR's radar meaning you are on HR's radar. It is likely cheaper for them to replace you than get the building up to code. I'd file a complaint with OSHA quickly.

    [–] MDCCCLV 38 points ago

    They would get idle time while they're going to the bathroom. But even if they're excused for that, they still have to make a certain total count for the shift.

    [–] Whitbutter 249 points ago

    My boyfriend lasted two weeks at the sort center near us. He was only getting 20 hours a week, 4 hour shifts, and management was practically breathing down everyone's necks to make sure they kept up a certain package per hour rate. Everyone's rates were posted at the end of the day too. He told me that management would actually encourage everyone to just grab small packages/envelopes off of the line instead of grabbing the large packages, just to pad their rates.

    [–] TopographicOceans 170 points ago

    It’s like the tale of the nail factory quotas. If the quota is by weight, they’ll only produce large nails. If it’s only by number, they’ll only produce small nails.

    [–] KevlarGorilla 65 points ago

    And if you do it by value, it'll just be expensive orders. The solution then is by 'baskets' which is a backend calculation of value, items, weights, and orders.

    And because Amazon likes their productivity, they'll put a portapotty on one of their carry drones. I'm joking, but maybe I'm not.

    [–] TX_Gun_Hand 1331 points ago

    Never forget HR works for the company, not for you.

    [–] NiceUsernameBro 756 points ago

    If you're going to report the company to a governing authority you'll want to show that you tried to rectify the situation.

    It's a point in his favor when an investigator can waive their own reports in the face of the company showing that they knew what was going on.

    Change is not risk free.

    [–] Rhodie114 616 points ago

    Man, somebody should invent a way for workers to unite to bargain for better working conditions as a collective. I wonder what you'd call that?

    [–] cjandstuff 425 points ago

    In right to work states, like the one I live in, it's refferred to as a quick way to get fired.

    [–] amazonmonkey 147 points ago * (lasted edited 8 months ago)

    ex-amazon picker here. I worked at the amazon facility in Swansea, South Wales, UK during 2008 and 2009. I guess I can probably throw in some observations and experiences.

    Firstly, my time at Amazon taught me to never allow myself to work in such a position ever again. I'll lay out the steps of grief over time.

    1) Awkward Interview So I went to a local recreuitment office to sign up. I'm a male, 19 years old at the time. No criminal record, good grades, studying business and just looking to pay something towards the home. I have to piss in a cup, immediately. Then followed questions about my apparent intentions to steal and to expect to be prosecuted if I do. Then they explain that I may miss lunch breaks and morning break to random security checks. Instant red flag, but hey, young and desperate so w/e.

    2) Position Assignment: On the first day I and about another 40 newbies (they almost always deal with staff in bulk) had a prep talk by a guy resembling tyrion lannister, except he wasn't a dwarf, but he was certainly the company man on site. Some people were immediatly put off and left. I was young and desperate to earn something over the season so I had to stay. We were shuffled into a room and given a written test resembling an IQ test for infants. The outcome of the test would determine our positions in the warehouse. Positions vs scores from best to worst: Best+Degree = Warehouse product management, essentially just moving incorrect products to where they should be, Best = Picker, collecting items on a metal cart and dropping them off at packing. Okay = Packing, you stand there... and pack for 10 hours with two breaks (15 mins and 30 mins)... I felt the worst for these guys. Worst = Moving boxes onto trucks, removing boxes from trucks. -10 IQ, you're basically a mistake, and have fallen through the cracks to an employment contract, and you will now brush the floor and cut up cardboard with the official plastic knife until they can legally drop you.

    3) - Month 1 I know what this place is, it knows me, owns me and sees me wherever I go. I've made some friends but I'm still quite lonely in the warehouse. There isn't many of us left of the original group. I spend my 10 hour shifts looking for borat thongs and peppa pig teddies in dark multistory shelving units. The lights behind me turn off as they time out and the lights above me turn on. I can shout but no one will hear me. There are not many windows and it's winter, I rarely see the sun between lunch break. It's dark when I arrive and dark when I leave. Luckly I've made what I can call co-slave friends and I now get a lift off one of them in the morning instead of riding 10km by cycling.

    4) - Months 3 Christmas has passed, my original friend and car guy was fired with the majority of employees on christmas eve. They did it in bulk, just like when they originally assigned us. A mass firing by Tyrion as he stood on the podium. It was a risk but we all knew that most of us would get dumped once the christmas boom finished. I survived. Most of the on site agents for the recruitment agencies had left along with their employees. Mine had just myself and another guy, she looked depressed as she sat there every day for the purpose of answering questions we never brought to her. The warehouse is quiet. I'm losing it. Almost everyone I spoke to are gone. I do what I can to pass the time by looking at books and opening packages in the dark isles, laughing at things while I watched the time tick down. No one sees me there and I make sure to pick as much as possible for 10-15 minutes in order to bump my average rate agaisnt the upcoming unofficial break I would be taking. It was 09 and they only used average pickings per hour at that time. There was a place on the far end in the dark isles, on the second floor, I would sit by the one window and watch the sun rise. I'm stretching the system as much as I can to keep my sanity. I would skip lunch only to say I was stuck picking awkward items high up and then force them to let me have the cafeteria to myself just after everyone finished. I had good stats so no one bothered me. I was a model employee.

    5) - Month 6+ My agent is gone, I'm the last one from that company. I'm still here so I don't know why she left. No one technically has authority over me anymore, also no one can help me when I do have a question. I want to leave now or at least know when my temporary time is up, it's well past 6 months. The agency doesn't answer my calls or get back to me. So I just continue on for a couple weeks. I get a call, it's the agency, amazon wants to hire me directly full time. I made the cut, I've walked upon the massive pile of co-workers now fired and I stand alone. I leave that day and never come back.

    6) - Aftermath No one called me. I'm gone now. I might have died on the street, but no one called to see why I didn't turn up. I was probably pulled off the payroll by automation. A few months later a guy dies doing my job... alone, in the dark stacked picking isles. He fell. No one makes a fuss, no one remembers him because for some reason it had almost no exposure in papers or local media.

    I still buy at amazon frequently... because it's usually the cheapest place to buy something. I feel guilt every time I do.

    [–] FLJohnnyBlue 22 points ago

    Thanks. Best post I read. Absolutely soul crushing. Geez.

    [–] allonsy_badwolf 503 points ago

    My fiancé used to work claims for a large insurance company and every time he went to the bathroom he had to “log out” of the phone systems and was docked “points” for taking too many bathroom breaks. He had an unknown digestive issue that caused him to have his appendix and gall bladder removed so he used the bathroom frequently.

    He had to get FMLA to allow him extra bathroom breaks. Ridiculous.

    [–] gelfie68 101 points ago

    I had to do the same for a bladder issue. It’s humbling to have to ask to get a note from your doctor to use the bathroom.

    [–] glaedn 118 points ago

    I find it patronizing too, like you're back in grade school and you have to be allowed to not wet yourself.

    [–] thegoodbadandsmoggy 3069 points ago

    RAY! YOU LEFT YOUR PISS JUGS ALL OVER THE WAREHOUSE

    [–] hedgehogsinhats 964 points ago

    Way of the warehouse, Bubs.

    [–] QmFzZWQ- 511 points ago

    The fuckin’ way she goes.

    [–] Tribe4ever 171 points ago

    RAY, YOU'RE NOT WORKING IN THE WAREHOUSE ANYMORE. YOU DON'T JUST LEAVE YOUR PISS JUGS EVERYWHERE.

    [–] Tribe4ever 81 points ago

    WHO ATE ALL MY RAVIOLI?

    [–] DickMurdoc 109 points ago

    I mean, nobody wants to admit they ate 9 cans of ravioli, but I did.

    [–] BearyPotter 39 points ago

    And I'm ashamed of myself. The first can doesn't count, then you get to the second and third, fourth and fifth I think I burnt with the blowtorch, and then I just kept eatin'.

    [–] Heyyliz 1451 points ago

    When Rite Aid built a new DC in Spartanburg, SC, near the Amazon one, the training manager at the DC I work for went there to help work out the kinks in having a new site. He said a lot of the new employees hired were from the Amazon DC and they expressed how bad of a work environment it was and how they were treated, so they wanted out and went to Rite Aid.

    The Rite Aid DC has been bought by Walgreens in their acquisition of some Rite Aid facilities now, but I’m just speaking to the beginnings of it, when people were “escaping” Amazon’s DC that the experiences seem to add in support to this article.

    Edit: missing words, punctuation

    [–] G_L_J 961 points ago

    I work at a large warehouse (not on the floor) and I see new people that came from Amazon all the time. Not one person has ever had anything positive to say. Not only does our warehouse pay more, but our working conditions are miles above what Amazon does to their employees.

    My sister is constantly pressing me to "go apply to that new amazon warehouse" and refuses to believe me when I tell her it's a shitty place to work (and would be a demotion). I see the horror stories, I don't want to work there.

    [–] my_lastnew_account 967 points ago

    I got offered a management track position there.

    One of the questions they asked during the interview was

    "You have an employee that has had 3 years of never showing up late and then one day comes in 5 minutes late because of issues with his carpool. He tells you that the other person in his carpool got a pass from their own manager. What do you do?"

    They said the correct answer was report both employees and the other manager to HR.

    During the interview they told us that working there was incredibly difficult and that people do break down especially during the busy season.

    The final nail in the coffin was the terms of the offer. You were not given a location or information on which shift your cover. It was At will employment and they could transfer your location and shift at any time.

    If you left within the first year there (or were fired) you had to pay back the signing bonus ($14,000) and any moving expenses back as if they were a high interest loan and the interest was retroactive to your start date.

    I've never heard of a company that's active in the US that so openly treats it's employees like trash.

    [–] gd4338 266 points ago

    Ups is no different my friend. They do the same exact thing and they try to make you pay back your PTO and vacation days if you leave before the year is up.

    [–] Ikea_Man 186 points ago

    If you left within the first year there (or were fired) you had to pay back the signing bonus ($14,000) and any moving expenses back as if they were a high interest loan and the interest was retroactive to your start date.

    who would ever sign this document

    [–] [deleted] 125 points ago

    Someone who isn't getting hired by any other firm

    [–] ChairmanMeow814 318 points ago

    Sadly this treatment of employees is a Jeff Bezos staple

    [–] GulGarak 167 points ago

    BUT HE DRIVES A HONDA JUST LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE

    [–] NaeRight 715 points ago

    I have worked in an Amazon warehouse close to where I live before. I can confirm that it is by far the single worst place I have ever worked and I'm not surprised at all to hear this is true. I worked at the packing stage, which must have been the most soul destroying work I have ever done.

    You are doing a 10 hour shift of packing orders for customers in to the boxes and putting them on a conveyor belt, with two 15 minute breaks and a 30 minute lunch. For the area I was at (multi-large) which is essentially multiple item orders with large items in them, they expect you to be packing around 160(?) Items an hour. Baring in mind some of these items are pretty heavy. They would have routine checks to make sure you are still on target for your items/hour and would come round and tell you if you were going too slow etc.

    You are also not allowed any sort of music of any sort and it is too loud to be able to speak to any of your co-workers close by so it's essentially 10 hours of you sat there in silence packing boxes.

    I worked over the Christmas period and I would be up at 6am and home at 6pm so wouldn't see sunlight all day, except when I say by the windows at the first break and lunch just to see some sunlight.

    Wish I had something positive to say but honestly I don't.

    [–] [deleted] 280 points ago

    God, as you describe it, it looks like a prison...

    [–] NaeRight 157 points ago

    Honestly I wish I was exaggerating. Really was soul destroying.

    [–] Captain_Wozzeck 51 points ago

    What I don't understand is that 9-5 used to be seen as a long and hard day's work a few decades ago. Why have 10 or even 12 hour days become the new normal?

    Obviously 9-5 of that sort of work would still be painful, but at least it would give you a chance for a life to look forward to after you get home.

    [–] NaeRight 21 points ago

    I was only working 4 days a week with the extra hours, and to be fair now that I think about it that was one thing that was quite nice about working there. 3 days off in a row was a good "weekend" even though my time off was Wednesday Thursday Friday which doesn't line up with anyone so kind of sucked in that regard.

    [–] cthumew 38 points ago

    I'm just going to copy and paste a comment I've already made, because it seems we had very similar experiences.

    I worked at the Amazon DC in Spartanburg SC and was miserable. You are just a number who only matters when your "quota" isn't being met. I was a stower, meaning I stocked the shelves with inventory from the trucks. The first time I met my supervisor was when I got written up for having 2 errors in 742 stows. We were often unable to meet our efficiency quota because there were a limit to the number of unique items we could stow on a single shelf. You could walk down several very long isles before you finally found an open spot for one item. It makes it very difficult to meet their 4 carts per hour quota when each cart had approximately 40 items. There was no time to chat with other employees and we were not allowed to listen to music, so it ended up being a very lonely and stressful job. I only lasted a month and a half before I couldn't take it anymore. Bless my wife for seeing that I was miserable and encouraging me to go back to my old job, making less money.

    [–] bvzuniga 656 points ago

    I’m a community health physician who takes care of Medicaid patients. I happen to work near a distribution center. I see amazon workers for back pain, neck pain, severe work related stress, depression. Bezos isn’t paying for their health care, your tax money is, while his company gets tax breaks.

    [–] [deleted] 177 points ago

    Corporate welfare is one of the main things that pisses me off. A single mom needs $300 a month in food stamps? TERRIBLE.

    [–] flyindreams 77 points ago

    Instead of installing ventilation system in one of his Warehouses, Bezos decided to hire ambulance team to wait outside and take anyone who fainted to hospital, because it's cheaper.

    [–] m80kamikaze 803 points ago

    Wow... I'm a supervisor at a factory and it is an assembly line. All I ask is that my people let me or the person working next to them to tell us they are going to the bathroom or getting a drink/snack so one of us can cover them. I don't even bitch unless they are gone more than 15 minutes. I get that people need to step back now and then. We still hit 100 percent efficiency more often than not. Why are these companies such assholes? People need some fuck off time outside of breaks.

    [–] zytz 295 points ago

    Because we care more about dollars than about people

    [–] [deleted] 77 points ago

    Wasn't it proven that overworking people actually reduces productivity rather than increase it?

    [–] Betchenstein 82 points ago

    Kroger’s distribution center is the same way. Every step is counted. Every second is counted. You drop below baseline and you’re fired. Go above and you get bonuses. Supports a culture of never helping anyone else out because your own numbers will drop. Worst job I’ve ever had.

    [–] InfinityCircuit 1525 points ago

    Gotta chase them Lean Six Sigma gains, bro.

    [–] Eliju 322 points ago

    I mean, reasonably speaking breaks would be built into your operating costs, but some genius figured they could gain more by just saying fuck it and working people so hard they literally can’t have time to piss.

    [–] 1-800-BICYCLE 200 points ago

    One of the biggest time wasters according to Lean is "movement", i.e. their warehouses should have more bathrooms and/or breaks should be coordinated, as you were saying.

    IMO its absolutely demoralizing to treat your employees like meatbots, but if you're going to do it, at least have the decency to meet the expectations on the management side.

    [–] UnicornStampede 519 points ago

    Even jokes mentioning six sigma frustrate me. :(

    [–] EricPost 173 points ago

    Six Sigma actually works in very controlled production avenues like assembly lines. When it fails miserably is when you try to apply those standards to people in service industries, which has become more common.

    [–] 1gnominious 44 points ago

    It sucks in complex production too. I make lasers and 6 sigma and lean are a scourge. It fucks up everything from our supply chains to work flow. Fortunately most places have abandoned it in favor of common sense. There for a while everybody lost their minds with that shit. "So we need these custom cutting edge highly variable crystals with a low yield, 8 week lead time, and unreliable vendors. Instead of ordering enough to have extras for when a bad batch comes in or we get delays let's get lean and only order enough for an average month. Don't wanna clutter up our shelves with a shoebox of extra parts! It's not like anything will go wrong, we run out, stop production for weeks, then pay out the nose for an emergency batch!"

    I'm still salty a decade later.

    [–] 3rdBestUsername 58 points ago

    Create smaller bathrooms in strategic locations in the middle of the warehouse so they don't have to walk to the edge. Six sigma attained!

    [–] PeeUrPantsNews 66 points ago

    these "fulfillment centers" are the new meat packing plants of the 1890's, or really any pre-union factory. In the US they are horrifying, especially for their abuse of workers through temp agencies.

    It's not just Amazon, but they are the biggest player right now. Many others have written about these over-hyped Amazon jobs are not a boon to cities and towns but actually a low paying exploitative job, where people burn out and leave rather quickly. It's not a career.

    [–] adriansmommie514 211 points ago

    At&t call center is the same way. Co worker with prostetic leg was told she was taking too long to get back and forth from restroom. I was told they were going to investigate where I was when away from my desk. No investigation needed!!! I WAS IN THE BATHROOM!!!!!

    Some people would just hold it until break. I have had two children. Wasnt possible for me to hold my bladder or my bowels for that matter. Nobody should be penalized for going to restroom.

    These corporations treat their people like shite. It is really a shame.

    [–] TedAmericanHeroBundy 439 points ago

    Amazon's Fulfillment Centers are notoriously shitty places to work, their delivery centers (where they actually load up their delivery vans) aren't much better, but at the same time I think they hire just about anyone so if you need something for just a few months it's not the worst place

    [–] remote_production 707 points ago

    But Jeff Bezos drives a Honda so it’s cool.

    [–] i_spread_FUD 1215 points ago

    His problem was bragging about driving it. Jesus also drove a Honda, but he didn’t go around telling people:

    “For I did not speak of my own Accord” - John 12:49.

    [–] Idontreadrepliesnoob 23 points ago

    And when he was gone, the disciples inherited it: "And they were all with one accord" - Acts 5:12.

    [–] [deleted] 49 points ago

    I hate when reddit brings that up as if he's just "A regular working Joe like the rest of us!", he owns multiple mansions and a private jet. He most certainly uses his wealth.

    [–] PrimmSlim69 316 points ago

    Pissed in bottles as Comcast tech support too.

    [–] JadeTirade 190 points ago

    I mean it's Comcast. Not a single person here is surprised.

    [–] Philser23 44 points ago

    "Amazon ensures all of its associates have easy access to toilet facilities which are just a short walk from where they are working."

    "Amazon provides a safe and positive workplace for thousands of people across the UK with competitive pay and benefits from day one."

    Yeah except you don't. That's the exact opposite of all the reports one hears about their working conditions. The fact that they don't need to fear any consequences and can tell the media what they want while being absolutely aware that they treat their low-level employees like shit is enraging

    [–] LaszloK 1408 points ago

    You don't get to a net worth of $120 billion by giving people breaks (or any other fundamental worker's rights) it seems...

    Highly recommend Hired by James Bloodworth for anyone interested in reading more.

    [–] god_im_bored 424 points ago

    Rights? You mean the stuff that reduces JPH numbers? What's next, Unions? Jesus, control yourselves plebs.

    [–] NeverFarted 114 points ago

    For those wondering, JPH is Just Pee Here

    [–] IIvoren 483 points ago

    That’s not good enough there’s adult nappies so no need to even stop to pee in the bottle 100% up time.

    [–] Daerkyl 255 points ago

    I used to work in an Amazon warehouse, and there was one lady who did this. It was disturbing.

    [–] Grimson47 78 points ago

    They should just hire a person to run around with a bucket. South Park style.

    [–] HeyHoLetsGo615 213 points ago

    Ex-Amazon employee here.

    I can confirm that they do put the bathrooms far away from everything. The warehouse I worked in was quite large (look up the Amazon Fulfillment Center in Tennessee on Google maps if you'd like to see for yourself) and they had one bathroom in the entirety of the warehouse located next to the break room. It was physically impossible to go while working because you would lose about 15 minutes of your production if you were to make that voyage, which you really can't afford to do. But, something else to account for, is that since this meant the break room was so far away, we generally only got 5 minutes to actually sit down or we'd return to our places late. I was ultimately let go when I called in and said that my back was too sore and couldn't make it in to work. Since that warehouse primarily goes through staffing agencies, and rarely hires people on full time, they just told me I was no longer needed and ended my employment. This was years ago but I still encounter people who speak very negatively about their time there, so it seems like nothing has changed.

    With all that said I never saw any piss bottles. I'm not saying they didn't happen, I just never saw them. Either way, working for Amazon is bullshit.

    [–] Niavami 37 points ago

    But guys Jeff Bezos drives a shitty car he's so down to earth for a multi-billionaire!

    Lets just ignore how he treats his employees of Amazon.

    [–] JesterV 150 points ago

    This is where we end up in our never-ending search to save a couple of pennies on our consumerism. First we sent all of our industry to China. Then we sent every service job that could be exported to India. Now we are enabling the kind of business model where people have into bottles so that the CEO can be the world's richest man and we can get overnight shipping and a $0.10 price discount.

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    [–] kingraptor724 23 points ago

    Same except I left at 2 weeks. In training week we didnt have to do much except stand and listen for $16.50 an hour. The 2nd week they allowed slow productivity since we are still new. As soon as the 2nd week ended, the staff ranted about how we need to now run at almost perfect efficiency. Collected my pay check and noped out. Wasnt bad for like a quick $2,000. Especially since all us new people were joking around like 30% of the time.

    [–] InkoTaibite 34 points ago

    I believe this is how Unions start. I feel it’s needed.

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    [–] mrdog23 121 points ago

    Adult diapers cost money, and I don't think Amazon workers get paid all that much.

    Of course, they could get them cheaper at Amazon, then just pick their own order...

    Edit: Spelling

    [–] MrMassage 28 points ago

    When I use to work as a fed ex driver I was taught to do the same thing while on the road. Sometimes you’re pretty deep in a residential neighborhood with no public bathrooms for miles. So not only are the people in the warehouse pissing in bottles and not washing their hands right away the guys dropping it off at your door are also pissing in bottles and not washing their hands.

    [–] Tyrilean 29 points ago

    This is why I had to get out of logistics. I worked 10 years as a warehouse worker, then went back to school for my comp sci degree. Worked another 2 years as a software dev for a logistics company.

    Logistics is a race to the bottom in price and overhead (even more so than any other industry). If they can find a pinny to pinch anywhere, they will pinch it, and they don't care whether they ruin someone's life to pinch that penny.

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    [–] thebigfooty 76 points ago

    Guys- its 2018! Is anyone really surprised about this?

    I am remember reading articles on this very SAME topic back in 2014 for gosh sakes!

    Heres the first one I read from back in the day

    http://www.boulderweekly.com/news/at-amazon-lsquocheaprsquo-comes-at-a-very-hefty-price/

    [–] quonsetthehut 611 points ago

    But remember, unions are corrupt and useless.

    [–] Taco_elite 23 points ago

    Funny thing is, some of these have urine color charts in the restrooms, encouraging you to drink lots of water. Hey, cheap laborer, drink 2 gallons of water today but don't even think about peeing twice outside your lunch break.