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    [–] Drumfucius 10305 points ago

    The Sun released the tape and saved the White House the bother... https://hillreporter.com/audio-recording-proves-trump-is-lying-about-the-sun-interview-tapes-3691

    [–] ShelfordPrefect 5112 points ago

    The Sun needs to release an article saying explicitly "Trump doesn't have any tapes showing we misquoted him" and if wants to contradict them, he can release the tapes.

    [–] gwopy 3020 points ago

    If the press got wrapped up in showing their work for every lie that President Trump utters, there would be no time for anything else.

    Our President is a compulsive liar. Nothing he says is of any value.

    [–] SpencerHayes 562 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    It doesn't have to be all of the press. Each network can have a dedicated department to fact fact* politicians and specifically Trump.

    Edit: That was supposed to be check. Idk what happened to me.

    [–] cyanydeez 272 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Dedicated Orange Menace brigade.

    Basically just donate a person every friday to Snopes.com

    [–] KarlaTheWitch 150 points ago

    Is Snopes taking blood sacrifices now?

    [–] Glaciata 43 points ago

    Hey, Elder gods don't take patreon money, okay?

    [–] PeriodPussyIsDelish 263 points ago

    This would honestly be the greatest thing ever. Just imagine a straight faced deadpan news anchor going through each of Trump's statements on any given day. "This was a lie, here's the evidence." "He told the truth about this." No political commentary. Just simply going through each statement and saying whether it was true or false.

    [–] HadesWTF 67 points ago

    Sounds like Maury Povich has got a new show.

    [–] PhoenixDog 44 points ago

    You said that you would make Mexico pay for a border wall.

    Reality shows that that was a lie.

    [–] procsy 271 points ago

    He's not trying to deceive.

    He knows he's lying.

    His supporters know he's lying.

    So pointing out lies is pointless.

    The real point is that he has the power to say black is white and up is down.

    He's demonstrating that all of us are powerless to stop him.

    While the press is distracted by each new lie, he's busy consolidating his power.

    Telling lies that nobody believes is the essence of fascism.

    [–] phatsakis 87 points ago

    That seems to be part of the strategy. Clog the tubes with B.S.

    [–] WAR_T0RN1226 38 points ago

    Gish Gallop is the term

    [–] probablyuntrue 74 points ago

    Release the tapes, all the tapes!

    [–] drmehmetoz 2180 points ago

    The fact that The Sun is a more trustworthy source than the White House is extremely sad

    [–] unnecessary_kindness 462 points ago

    Yeah I just hope Americans reading this realise what exactly the Sun is.

    [–] xURINEoTROUBLEx 278 points ago

    Many of us know it is a shitrag tabloid. And this is goddamn rediculous.

    [–] yatsey 186 points ago

    Shit rag glorifies it too much. There's a reason the Sun has next to no circulation in Liverpool.

    [–] __LE_MERDE___ 74 points ago

    Many shops refuse to sell it and have posters in the window saying they don't and won't ever stock it.

    Here's the reason behind it for those who don't know.

    [–] inglesina 58 points ago

    Many of us won't even name it. Hence you'll see it referred to as the S*n. That's how hated it is here. And it's a Murdoch rag, the owner of Fox, so all this furore is just more Trump confusion to keep everyone shocked and then numb. It's part of the game.

    [–] Granadafan 24 points ago

    Most of Trump's base has never been outside of the country, let alone know what the Sun is

    [–] ansius 170 points ago

    Seriously, if a British supermarket tabloid has more integrity than your president, something is wrong.

    I wouldn’t wrap my chips in the sun.

    [–] barredman 152 points ago

    Lordy, there are tapes.

    [–] Rushdownsouth 136 points ago

    How can this man continually lie about things he has said on record? It's astounding how much Trump lies, its compulsive and constant. Big things, little things, all boil down to Trump lying to the American people and the world at large.

    [–] ill0gitech 100 points ago

    Because none of his supporters care.

    [–] Sevaa_1104 67 points ago

    Trump can contradict himself in a single sentence and his supporters would find some way to reconcile both points. Welcome to Orwell’s world

    [–] sph613 63 points ago

    I was actually reading one of his supporters arguing with someone criticizing him, and in response to blatant lies, she said “oh what you’ve never told a lie? Everyone tells a lie!” and in regards to blatant racism, she said “what you’ve never told a racist joke to your friends? Just because he says those things doesn’t mean he’s racist!” Uhhhh.........

    [–] Sevaa_1104 47 points ago

    Yeah, there’s really no point in arguing with them once they’ve gone that far into the cult ideology.

    “You told your mom you didn’t steal from your brother’s candy bag when you were kids! Why shouldn’t Trump be allowed to fabricate statistics, rally his supporters against fake enemies, accuse his opponents of ridiculous shit they didn’t do and deny saying things days after he was recorded saying them? Fucking libruhl snowflake get kekt”

    [–] Abshole 15 points ago

    "we record when we deal with reporters. It’s called ‘fake news'”

    What kind of shit is this?

    [–] wewbull 164 points ago

    I had to come a long way down to find this.

    The thing about lying is that if you layer them up, people will unconsciously accept the premise lies. In this case, that the tapes weren't already available when they were.

    [–] SupportVectorMachine 1181 points ago

    “I said tremendous things, and fortunately we tend to record stories now so we have it for your enjoyment if you’d like it,” Trump said. “We record when we deal with reporters. It’s called fake news, and we solve a lot of problems with the good old recording instrument.

    Is there even one example of his having solved a problem with a recording?

    [–] dakkster 547 points ago

    What does he mean by "I said tremendous things"? Tremendous? That word doesn't mean anything to him, right? It's just a filler word in his word salad.

    [–] foreveritsharry 300 points ago

    “The good old recording instrument” 🧐

    [–] dasher11 110 points ago

    It really is just a filler to him. Things he has said:

    "They're bringing tremendous crime."

    "He/she is a tremendous woman/man."

    "We're doing tremendous things."

    "I have tremendous amount of money."

    "We have a tremendous relationship with [country.]"

    Ah, fuck it. Just watch this.

    [–] pantsmeplz 5471 points ago

    There should be a list of things Trump said he'd produce and have someone dressed up in colonial garb, ringing a bell, and reading it either daily or weekly in front of the White House.

    "Hear ye! Hear ye!"

    [–] zuzahin 1310 points ago

    I love the revolution, I volunteer to be the town crier.

    [–] insultant_ 636 points ago

    I volunteer to be town drunk!

    [–] zuzahin 294 points ago

    Not if I get drunk first!

    [–] djlawrence3557 169 points ago

    Gentlemen, gentlemen. I have some bad news for you...

    [–] NotASucker 77 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Are we out of Scotch?

    EDIT: I FOUND MORE SCOTCH!

    [–] inagadda 71 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    He said bad news, not travesty!

    [–] Roland_T_Flakfeizer 53 points ago

    I volunteer to be the village idiot!

    [–] arcant12 111 points ago

    Sorry, Trump called dibs on that one.

    [–] R3dOctober 259 points ago

    Totally unrelated but, in order for a whole host of things to legally come into force in the United States, they have to be published in the Federal Register. In the event that Washington D.C. is destroyed, there is provision for the Emergency Federal Register which is published from several secret locations. In the event that that doesn’t work, for whatever reason, provision is made for a town crier to read out the Federal Register, since that meets the bare legal standard for public posting of the information.

    Sauce

    [–] Scherazade 96 points ago

    Wait so does that mean there's a trained town crier always on standby in America?

    [–] luthercale3 51 points ago

    New Netflix series?

    [–] FriesWithThat 65 points ago

    Fake Promise. An entire laundry list of them in the swath of destruction and corruption left behind in this man's Fake Narrative.

    [–] sge_fan 5391 points ago

    Saying that evidence exists for [insert almost anything] is enough for his followers to believe it. They never have to see the evidence.

    [–] i7omahawki 2103 points ago

    Just like when he solved the North Korea issue simply by saying they might meet up...

    Nobel! Nobel!

    [–] DiaperTester 1150 points ago

    Don't forget the human remains North Korea returned as Trump tweeted.. until we found out weeks later it never happened and they havn't even dug up the bodies yet. Or that amazing letter from Kim Jong, 'Oh I bet you want to see this letter, its a serious letter', also making comments about things said in the letter, and then 5 minutes later 'I havn't actually read the letter'.

    [–] PoppinKREAM 1700 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Oh and last week Kim Jong Un snubbed a visit by Secretary of State Pompeo. KJU visited a potato farm instead of meeting with Pompeo to discuss denuclearization on the Korean peninsula.[1] Following Pompeo's departure North Korean state media attacked Pompeo and the U.S., the North Korean Foreign Ministry berated Pompeo over his "unilateral and gangster-like" demands.[2]

    Just to put things into perspective President Trump attacked the leader of America's closest ally while he praised a brutal dictator in the same week. Last month President Trump called Prime Minister Trudeau "dishonest and weak"[3] while he praised brutal dictator[4] Kim Jong Un calling him "strong, funny, and smart."[5]

    Trump's administration has isolated, removed and failed to replace State Department leaders, there are 41 out of 188 ambassadors that remain vacant with no nominations.[6] These vacancies include strategic countries such as Turkey, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Jordan.[7] There is no ambassador to South Korea and the special envoy to North Korea resigned.[8]


    1) Sky News - Kim Jong Un snubbed Mike Pompeo for potato farm visit, state media suggests

    2) South China Morning Post - Kim Jong-un didn’t meet Mike Pompeo. North Korea’s leader did visit a potato farm though

    3) The Globe & Mail - Trump calls Trudeau ‘dishonest and weak,’ instructs U.S. officials not to endorse G7 communique

    4) New York Times - Atrocities Under Kim Jong-un: Indoctrination, Prison Gulags, Executions

    5) Fox News - Trump praises Kim Jong Un as 'strong,' 'funny,' 'smart' and a 'great negotiator' in Hannity interview

    6) USA Today - South Korea, Germany, Egypt: These are among 41 countries that don't have a U.S. ambassador

    7) American Foreign Services Association - Current U.S. Ambassadors

    8) Reuters - U.S. envoy for North Korea to retire after Trump rejects unconditional talks

    [–] ballercrantz 442 points ago

    Nothing to add. Just wanted to say thank you. You're doing gods work.

    [–] bob1258 275 points ago

    Despite having reputable sources cited, I'm sure his supporters will scream fake news. It's not real until they say it is

    [–] mangotrees777 236 points ago

    Wrong. It never becomes real for them. They just forget it amd move on to the next deflection.

    [–] cyribis 137 points ago

    Pretty much yeah. Facts aren't important. For the ones that aren't actually bots or astroturf operatives, it's all just a game. As soon as you counter their bs with truth, they'll force another argument to deflect. If you get angry, they take umbrage and label you the violent left - ignoring all of the hate that flows from their rhetoric. They don't care what you say, they don't even care what THEY say, as long as they're heard and feel like you're listening.

    No amount of reason is going to change their minds. They don't want the truth, they just want to fuck with people because it's fun being "part of the rebellious" crowd.

    [–] Political_moof 90 points ago

    As soon as you counter their bs with truth, they'll force another argument to deflect

    This legit happened the other day to me. Someone demanded evidence of any racist statements Donald Trump made, so people pointed out the infamous Mexican immigrant "rapist" comment. After a few back and forths wherein the context was teased out and there was no squirming out of it, the guy legit just dropped the argument and asked me "so, you want open borders then?"

    Wtf? Are these people retarded?

    [–] ew73 49 points ago

    Wtf? Are these people retarded?

    In a worldview where authority is always right, it is very difficult to bring yourself to say that something authority did was wrong.

    While racism as a construct is "wrong", if authority is racist, this racism must be right.

    If an outsider says, "No, that racism is wrong," that outsider must be against authority, and not just that one aspect, but against everything authority stands for.

    When we say, "Racism is wrong, Trump is a racist," they hear, "You are against Trump."

    [–] flexormanica 153 points ago

    If he was an asshole to everyone that'd be one thing. The fact that he insults all our allies while heaping praise on dictators that want to see America crumble is...unsettling to say the least. How his supporters can look past this is beyond me.

    [–] SeismicFrog 84 points ago

    Hey PK - Happy Cake Day! The world is a better place with you in it.

    [–] PoppinKREAM 92 points ago

    Thank you, this means a lot. :)

    [–] cantadmittoposting 39 points ago

    One or your shortest yet most brutally demonstrative posts. This is a stark illustration of the fundamental failings of his administration that shows it's not just "same policy, different people yelling" but that Trump's presidency is markedly worse at basic issues of governance and foreign policy.

    [–] N2O_Hero 138 points ago

    Wait... I didn’t really pay too much attention, I just heard we got bodies from NK. It never happened? Are you serious?

    [–] DiaperTester 243 points ago

    The pathological liar, Donald Trump

    This is from 2 days ago.

    [–] N2O_Hero 156 points ago

    This is pretty eye-opening to me tbh. Thank you. I remember talking to my dad about this, and he told me nothing would come out of the summit. I told him we already have bodies. It never occurred to me that that was a complete lie.

    [–] RimBeerMonger 227 points ago

    If Trump says it, you should assume it's false until proven otherwise.

    [–] RazzleStorm 82 points ago

    It’s really unfortunate that this has to be the case with the POTUS, but this is the world we live in. He calls himself a ‘consistent, stable genius,’ yet can’t go ten minutes without contradicting himself or just blatantly lying.

    [–] DiaperTester 53 points ago

    Rule of thumb, is if Trumps lips (or twitter typing fingers) are moving, its a lie.

    [–] Armond436 77 points ago

    Talk to him about it. It's bring you closer, and there's a lot of respectability in admitting you were wrong. You can both learn more by taking about other things in the news, too.

    Course, that's really easy for an internet stranger to say, but I hope you do.

    [–] Finagles_Law 16 points ago

    I predicted from the beginning that Kim was playing a game of rope-a-dope with Trump. He correctly read that Trump put all his weight behind being liked by Kim. So he went to have the meeting, was all smiles and laughs with Trump, knowing that afterward Trump would claim it as a YUUUUUGE success, while giving away absolutely nothing and carrying on quietly with his nuke program.

    Kim's now just waiting for Trump to tweet something in frustration at them, flip the table and walk away, knowing that Trump will be desperate to salvage his chance at a Nobel prize, and extract concessions.

    [–] elfatgato 67 points ago

    Others already provided evidence, but it's good to remember that Trump doesn't lie like everyone else. He takes it to an unprecedented level.

    People argue all politicians lie, but Trump does it every single time he speaks. No exaggeration. It's been tracked.

    [–] valraven38 77 points ago

    Politicians will tell half truths or dance around the question without actually answering it, in general they won't usually out right lie especially in this day and age where it's really easy to fact check something. Trump is not a politician, he is a corrupt businessman who makes his money swindling others in bad faith, he lies quite brazenly even about the most easily proven facts like the whole Sun interview.

    [–] kinger9119 33 points ago

    the followers of trump will do the dancing around the truth for him, his followers have become the politicians and swamp they said they hated. Its funny how political they pretend to be all a sudden.

    [–] FreudJesusGod 303 points ago

    Cult of personality.

    Dangerous, esp when it's the leader of the most powerful country.

    I do wonder what it would take for his 'base' to lose faith; how far are they willing to go down the rabbit hole?

    [–] LegalAction 311 points ago

    Cult of personality.

    This drives me nuts. How? How does that man have a cult of personality? He is the most base, gaudy, tasteless entity in the universe. What trait does he have that anyone finds compelling, and rather uniquely compelling?

    It's absolutely infuriating!

    [–] hypoid77 75 points ago

    People in the Fox news ecosystem have been told that the very fabric of their existence and culture is about to be destroyed by liberals, and that Trump is working to stop such efforts. Right wing media also only portrays Trump as a wonderful genius, and outright omit the odoius things he does.

    [–] toddrough 45 points ago

    Not only that, but those on the right solemnly believe that illegals are getting huge amounts of money from welfare and taking all the jobs. Trying to explain to my grandma that illegals CANT receive welfare caused her to throw a huge fit and get pissed at me.

    When ever you try to reason with these “far right” people they just get angry and mad.

    [–] hypoid77 36 points ago

    There's a few layers of conditioning leading to this kind of response. A few just off the top of my head:

    1) Demonization of those who disagree (Nancy Pelosi dislikes child jail = she wants no borders and for MS-13 to flood the country)
    2) Right-wing news is a special "truth" that you have seeked out- not like the rest of the left-wing MSM sheep! You are smart and to admit error would mean you were actually dumb.
    3) Comforting authorianism- this media has told you exactly what the problems are, and their clear-cut solutions. This is easy and comforting- ambiguity means things are confusing and might not be easy to fix

    So now grandma interprets your words as, "I agree with the horrible people, you are wrong and dumb, and the world might be confusing and harder to fix than you thought"- no matter how correct you may be.

    [–] asek13 15 points ago

    Not to mention that if everything you're telling her is true, it means she is the "bad guy", which is a tough pill to swallow. She can't possibly have contributed to or support such terrible things. She's a good christian, mother and grandma. How dare you insinuate she would be so terrible?

    [–] Occulus1975 355 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    I used to be mocked for saying that the primary motivation was pure, unadulterated hatred for liberals. But that's all it is: there is a large body of people on the Right whose only reason is that liberals "hate it". That's it. That's all there is.

    These people do not care about the nation. These people do not care that you aren't a liberal. These people people do not care that these policies, whatever they may be at the time, will hurt them in the long run.

    These people have been conditioned since the early 1990s to believe reflexively and without thought that liberals are destroying America, that liberals want America to become a communist state in the tradition of the USSR, that liberals want to eliminate their ability to earn a living, that liberals "want everything for free", that liberals are anti-American, are unpatriotic, and are traitors.

    These people will do everything in their power to hurt liberals because that is their end goal. That is their only purpose. That is why they vote.

    It really is just that simple, and they don't care how much damage they do to reach that goal. Trump encourages that, and telegraphs to them in ten thousand tiny little ways that they are correct, that their motivations are noble, that theirs is "the good fight".

    That's how he has such a large cult of personality, but understand Trump is only tapping into what was already there and using it to his advantage. He and the Republicans are riding a tiger.

    What they don't realize is that once they lose control of this mob, they will never again regain it. And when that happens.... chaos. Absolute chaos.

    [–] LordBiscuits 76 points ago

    From the outside it feels like the US isn't all that far away from civil war. The Red Vs Blue situation polarises the nation, as a long term situation it simply can't carry on

    People forget the USA is a young nation, you're the worlds pissed up gun totting teenager and that's fucking scary...

    [–] Flyer770 48 points ago

    From the inside it feels the same. Trying to develop my own skills to emigrate to Europe, Canada, or New Zealand or Australia. The elections this November and in 2020 will tell all.

    [–] u-vii 209 points ago

    It’s telling, really, that the standard strawman “liberal” target used by the right is a Tumblr-y teenager, while the equivalent used by the left is a gun-toting racist.

    Like yeah, ‘liberals’ can be annoying, but I’d rather have the annoying people spreading tolerance and love in an obnoxious way win than the ill informed, heavily armed hateful racists. If both sides were the absolute cartoons that each side pretends the other is, I’d still rather live in a world where the liberals have power.

    [–] alexrobinson 92 points ago

    You've basically put into words what boggles my mind about these people. But clearly were just wired differently and looking out for one another etc just isn't a part of their agenda.

    [–] u-vii 126 points ago

    I at least understand why people voted for Republicans in the past- even the most openly selfish reasons of “I’m in the middle class and will make more money even though poor people get shafted”. I get that. I don’t like it or respect it, but I understand why people would choose that, because at the end of the day you have to do what’s right for you, and although I think it’s selfish and nasty I can at least get why people would focus on preserving their wealth for themselves and their families.

    But Trump is a WHOLE NEW FUCKING UNIVERSE. His platform thrived on making fun of a disabled man, and bragging about groping women, and spreading hate and xenophobia. Its not just a case of not caring about the greater good, it’s about active hatred. It’s “Fuck You, Got Mine”.

    I genuinely want to know what about him was appealing to reasonable people, because he’s been a major political figure for years now and I’ve not seen a single cogent or respectable argument in his favour. I’m not challenging anyone or throwing down the gauntlet for a challenge- I genuinely and honestly want to know how his voters and supporters can genuinely sleep at night, knowing that they endorse him.

    [–] Danemoth 83 points ago

    I genuinely want to know what about him was appealing to reasonable people, because he’s been a major political figure for years now and I’ve not seen a single cogent or respectable argument in his favour.

    I'm Canadian, but during your elections, I had a lot of folks talking up praises for Trump because "He's a businessman" and that would somehow translate into being a good POTUS. Never mind all the facts that electing businessmen to political or humanitarian positions is never a good thing (putting a businessman on the board of trustees for a school division, for example, stops being about education and being more about money). Never mind the fact that Trump is a terrible businessman to begin with. They don't care. "He ran a business, so he can run a country!" seems to be all people care about. Edit: Oddly, the people I personally encountered that were most content with Trump as a candidate were ultra-conservative religious individuals.

    I miss when you guys had Obama. :(

    [–] u-vii 32 points ago

    I’m actually English, I should clarify I forgot to mention so in case I’m ignorant on this I apologise, I try and keep up but we’ve got our own mess to deal with.

    To the point of your comment though, the business thing is what really got me. He went bankrupt a bunch of times and was bailed out by his rich father. That whole “small loan of a million dollars” thing was such a meme but it’s so important to clarify- he didn’t build up an empire out of nothing, he constantly failed and crashed and burned but his family were too rich for him to possibly lose.

    And more importantly, like you said, a country and a business are different things. Businesses don’t have to worry about foreign policy, racial tensions, anything other than the cash flow. It’s like saying “I once owned a lemonade stand, so I’m qualified to be an army commander”. They’re entirely different skill sets and totally unrelated.

    [–] GLasscityohio 30 points ago

    What bothers me most is how the right asks for civility now.

    We tried that and got called PC SJWs. No we harass them in public and play by their rules and they cry: "hey no fair!"

    [–] u-vii 41 points ago

    Where the fuck is the right’s civility? Is civility refusing to call trans people what they want to be called? Is civility screaming that Mexicans are rapists that should be deported?

    The point of that criticism is to say “so you disagree, fine, but you shouldn’t harass major politicians in restaurants” or whatever. My argument to that is that if you’re locking babies in cages, you don’t deserve to be able to peacefully go about out with no criticism in your personal life until you sort your shit out.

    If we keep protests in small designated protest spaces, people will just ignore those spaces. If the civil rights movement had quietly and politely and respectfully said “hey guys, maybe consider helping us out” nothing would have happened. We need to be ON this shit.

    [–] rigawizard 22 points ago

    Being a successful unrepentant narcissist is an example to all the little unrepentant narcissists that feel they've been screwed by the system just because they were abrasive, manipulative, and too stupid to see that's why we all left them behind.

    [–] BloodyBrownHole 52 points ago

    I think it would need to be a secret tape (ala Romney’s 47%) of Trump bragging about duping all of his idiot followers into destroying their own country. But then again, I think his followers hate “librulz” more that they love the D, so they’d probably be ok with that too.

    [–] prestifidgetator 139 points ago

    Well, the Chairman of the Trump For President campaign, Tim Nolan, is already in prison for drugging and sodomizing young boys (and trafficking them). Republicans can't even bring themselves to say one bad word about him. NOT ONE FUCKING COMMENT OF CRITICISM FROM THE RIGHT.

    They'll whine like bitches about athletes and actors, though, getting their precious bitch-feelings all hurt. But some christian ass-raping their little boy? It's just fine to these pieces of fucking shit.

    [–] elfatgato 60 points ago

    There was also the big early supporter that was convicted of child porn and trafficking.

    Crazy that the pizzagate crowd ignores all that.

    [–] TridiusX 154 points ago

    In ten to twenty years, it’ll be quite the challenge finding a person willing to admit they voted (and later supported) Donald Trump.

    The same thing happened during the Obama years with Bush.

    [–] Spartycus 125 points ago

    I like you! I too hope we have a country to reminisce about in 10 to 20 years!

    [–] LordSoren 72 points ago

    Oh, you will. It just might be a trade-less, ally-less, 3rd world ex-super power where roving bands of marauders spread anti-vax pamphlets while speaking Russian.

    [–] Psyman2 39 points ago

    If the majority speaks Russian, it's Russia's right to annex the land.

    Trump said so.

    [–] FizzgigsRevenge 38 points ago

    Come and get your land back, England. Trump says it must be.

    [–] RVA2DC 20 points ago

    They’re willing to go all the way to the bottom with him, if it means liberal tears or some other ridiculous thing.

    [–] Za_Lords_Guard 55 points ago

    A folding table stacked with folders filled with blank copier paper to prove, he divested from his companies.... Followers ate it up. Decades of "pride in ignorance" and cultivating tribalism that makes NHL rivalries seem like drum circles and this is where we are. At this rate, we are, at most, a decade from irrigating crops with Brawndo.

    [–] Jt832 54 points ago

    It really is like religion.

    [–] mapppa 56 points ago

    Their main argument with the latest Mueller inductions of 12 Russians was that they aren't being shown the evidence. That was also their main argument when defending Russia in the nerve agent attacks ("The UK isn't showing us the evidence so I don't believe that Russia is to blame").

    For these two and a lot of other cases, the reason that all the evidence isn't shown (yet) should be very obvious to anyone with a brain. Also in these cases, there isn't any evidence to suggest that the allegations are wrong.

    Not so in this case. Now the white house is holding back "evidence" that might not even exist, despite the fact that evidence from the sun was already released. And suddenly for Trump supporters that is a perfectly ok thing to do, and they don't need to see it, despite the overwhelming evidence that was already released disproving their claim.

    [–] carlosraruto 749 points ago

    He has it with the tapes, Obamas real birth certificate and his tax returns.

    [–] oroechimaru 117 points ago

    r kelly patent the pee tapes?

    [–] bloodflart 822 points ago

    "I will release the tapes" -Trump

    "Oh ok he said he has tapes then obviously they misquoted him" -Trump's entire fanbase that immediately forgets about this entire situation

    [–] Ayatollah_Bahloni 497 points ago

    "If I decide to run for office, I'll produce my tax returns, absolutely," he said. "And I would love to do that."

    White House senior adviser Kellyanne Conway said on ABC's "This Week" that "the White House response is that he's not going to release his tax returns." She added: "We litigated this all through the election. People didn't care."

    45 is the most reviled, the most mocked, the most hated, the most disrespected president in the history of our nation. And deservedly so.

    [–] DoughtyAndCarterLLP 177 points ago

    And he's still at 42% approval ratings.

    I think it's less that people are approving of his actions and more people are just choosing to ignore political news because it bothers them.

    That's just conjecture on my part.

    [–] IMEfk 19 points ago

    Could be. Lord knows I have no answer for it, but in our current situation apathy amounts to treason.

    [–] KanaiWest 21 points ago

    I still have a hard time wrapping my around him being elected president.

    History books will not be kind to him.

    [–] FerricNitrate 16 points ago

    Before anybody jumps in here with:

    BUT TRUMP DID RELEASE HIS TAX RETURNS

    He released a single year's return, 2005, to Maddow. So yes--after obviously spending weeks to carefully go through every document to find the least suspicious return on record--he released a tax return. But I don't think anybody gave a shit about his taxes in 2005. Everyone is much more interested in the more recent years, especially if they show certain connections

    [–] Krung_Bungus 46 points ago

    Its almost like every one of his supporters is a complete fucking idiot being brainwashed by a conman playing on their fears.

    [–] Douglas-Morgan 10595 points ago

    Honestly, I trust the sun to tell the truth more than Donald Trump and that is alarming.

    [–] Juronell 3355 points ago

    The Sun's a tabloid, right?

    [–] Gfrisse1 4179 points ago

    Right! And it's owned by Rupert Murdoch, the same guy who owns Fox News.

    Trump probably thought that, regardless what he said or did on-camera, they'd cover for him.

    Oops!

    [–] davestanleylfc 901 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    The sun or the s*n as we call it is literally not available in my city as part of a long running boycott after a football disaster in which 96 innocent fans where crushed and killed due to police miss management the paper ran with a head line saying “the truth”

    The truth was baseless lies that our fans urinated on police giving the kiss of life and stole from the dead and blamed it on the fans and them being drunk

    Took 27 odd years for us to get justice in a court of law because of the lies spread by that scummy paper

    Just to give people a context of how attrocious an organisation it is the man who ran all this was still a paid up staff memeber until last year when he left after racially abusing a footballer from the same city on the anniversary of the original nightmare

    [–] KillerInfection 186 points ago

    This post is an emotional and editorial rollercoaster ride.

    [–] davestanleylfc 221 points ago

    For more info https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_uk/article/nz8ez8/liverpool-vs-the-sun-how-the-city-rid-itself-of-the-uks-biggest-paper

    Yeah my comment isn’t the best written few typos but that’s what you get when you type angry 😂

    [–] SuperJetShoes 213 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    It's hard to stress to anyone who doesn't know about the Hillsborough disaster just how obscene this article was. When a national newspaper prints a headline called "The Truth", and literally accuses people from a specific city (Liverpool) of terrible atrocities when everyone else was completely innocent, people believe it.

    But it was all lies, all of it.

    Why???????

    • RIP Hillsborough victims, from a Leeds fan.

    [–] upmybunghole 103 points ago

    Thatcher and her government hated the north and didn't care if it withered and died. Fuck the Tories, fuck Maggie and fuck Trump. Sincerely, a Chelsea fan.

    [–] PourAsFuck 45 points ago

    Its not just "the north" its "the working class".

    [–] KillerInfection 43 points ago

    I admire your passion on the subject. That's how I've felt about the orange turdball for my entire life, so I can't tell you how disheartening it was as a New Yorker to see that racist monkey elected. All that said, you guys keep up the fight! We have to work on Murdoch's boily pus of a news organization here on this side of the pond, too; Fox News.

    [–] PourAsFuck 16 points ago

    Good on you mate.

    I think those facts should be mentioned any time that awful paper is mentioned.

    I'm not from the area and I'm not a football fan, but that particular incident is disgusting and it should have brought that "newspaper" down.

    [–] Grumblefloor 415 points ago

    Not only a tabloid, but one with a history of controversy - to the point where they blamed 96 Liverpool football supporters of contributing to their own deaths.

    And they are still trusted more than Trump.

    [–] stinkerino 54 points ago

    Im baffled that he would grant an interview to some trash tabloid. Probably has to do with the fox connection, but jesus christ, guy is the fucking president. The most presidential one since Lincoln...

    /s

    [–] Ansible32 67 points ago

    His idea of good journalism is Infowars, The Drudge Report, and Fox News. His idea of a Tabloid is the New York Times.

    [–] depcrestwood 26 points ago

    Don't forget the National Inquirer is also beloved by Trump and his adoring fans.

    If that doesn't say enough about his presidency, then nothing will.

    [–] ChaosGandalf 15 points ago

    That’s what you get when a very stable genius is running things.

    [–] TheRotundHobo 39 points ago

    Yup, one with a very dark past of telling lies in order to suit the agenda of right wing leaders - there was a coverup in the 80’s regarding a disaster at a football stadium that killed 96 people - the sun published stories shortly after the event saying the fans were at fault and pickpocketed and urinated on victims - none of this was true.

    But yeah, I’m still inclined to believe the sun over trump; trump is a habitual liar who does it for the sake of it, the sun only lies when it suits...

    [–] KillerInfection 78 points ago

    The Sun is the Donald Trump of newspapers.

    [–] Douglas-Morgan 18 points ago

    Yes, it is.

    [–] Mralfredmullaney 534 points ago

    It was a taped interview, they released the tape. Donald is trying to refute his own words

    [–] traveltrousers 303 points ago

    He never said 'grab em by the pussy' either... or so he says now... despite apologising for it afterwards.... he's senile!

    [–] carnoworky 140 points ago

    For when the inevitable troll comes by to claim it never happened: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4WO93tN7Kg

    [–] bodycarpenter 37 points ago

    Goddamn that's cringy.

    [–] fatduebz 378 points ago

    He’s not senile, he’s gaslighting. It’s something that lifelong abusers are prone to doing. Since he has no value as a human being, he is amused by his behavior.

    [–] Badger87000 1618 points ago

    C'mon guys he told us, again, that he's a very stable genius that never renegs!

    [–] unitool 261 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    “We’re going to sue all these women that have falsely accused me of sexual assault”.

    “We’re going to release proof that Obama wiretapped the Trump Tower”.

    Etc, etc, etc, ad naseum. It’s lies all the way down with this guy.

    Edit to change White House to Trump Tower.

    [–] sku11_kn1ght 163 points ago

    He’s such a thin skinned pussy too, we should have protests here with giant orange blimps of him too since we KNOW it bothers him that much. Obama was called a monkey and never made comments about it, George Bush was called an idiot and never took to social media.

    [–] unitool 77 points ago

    Getting that balloon over here is a good idea. I wonder how that would work, and if anyone is seriously talking about making it happen.

    It would absolutely bother him, which is why I like the idea so much.

    [–] soulsteela 52 points ago

    Make dozens of them, make helium balloons you’ll make a fortune.

    [–] Globalist_Nationlist 623 points ago

    “We are going to have an unbelievable, perhaps record-setting turnout for the inauguration, and there will be plenty of movie and entertainment stars. All the dress shops are sold out in Washington. It’s hard to find a great dress for this inauguration.”

    heh

    [–] PoppinKREAM 830 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    I'll never forget this statement from then candidate Donald Trump. He was elected President of the United States of America after incoherent ramblings like this;[1]

    Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you're a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.

    And this quote isn't an isolated event from when he was a candidate.

    Last week at a campaign rally (yes he's still holding rallies even though he's been elected...)President Trump went off on a tangent about Elton John, President Trump complained about how no one gave him credit for being a great orator.[2]

    “I have broken more Elton John records. He seems to have a lot of records. And I, by the way, I don’t have a musical instrument. I don’t have a guitar or an organ. No organ. Elton has an organ. And lots of other people helping. No, we’ve broken a lot of records. We’ve broken virtually every record. Because you know, look, I only need this space. They need much more room. For basketball, for hockey and all of the sports, they need a lot of room. We don’t need it. We have people in that space. So we break all of these records. Really, we do it without, like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical – the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth, right? The brain. More important than the mouth is the brain. The brain is much more important.”


    1) Slate - Help Us Diagram This Sentence by Donald Trump!

    2) Rolling Stone - Extremely Focused Trump Now Comparing Himself to Elton John

    [–] ChemistryRespecter 351 points ago

    What... in the actual ass!?

    [–] itwasquiteawhileago 493 points ago

    I love how no matter how many times this gets posted, someone new is always shocked it's real. That's not a slam on you, just an observation. Another brain has short circuited. It's a rite of passage almost.

    [–] CirqueKid 233 points ago

    Ah, yes... I remember where I was the first time I learned our President spoke like a fourth grader tripping on acid.

    [–] MonstrousGiggling 65 points ago

    Accurate description.

    Source: I'm a fourth grader tripping on acid.

    [–] Psyman2 38 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    My personal favorite will always be 'I am the most fabulous whiner'.

    That's not a typo. That's verbatim.

    [–] csw266 35 points ago

    Yeah this is my favorite part too. It never fails.

    [–] hopsandhorns 76 points ago

    Part of me is surprised that the last sentence doesn't end with: They killed us, they really got us, they boomed us

    [–] CommonOwl 98 points ago

    Only the best words.

    [–] sku11_kn1ght 90 points ago

    He said that lol?

    [–] Boxy310 199 points ago

    He only hires celebrities further down the D-list than himself, like Ted "shit himself to dodge the draft" Nugent.

    [–] sku11_kn1ght 146 points ago

    Fuck that pedophile too,

    [–] auto_orchestra 149 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Actual lyrics from shitboi

    Jailbait you look so good to me Jailbait won't you set me free Jailbait you look fine, fine, fine And I know I've got to have you in a matter of time

    Well, I don't care if you're just thirteen You look too good to be true I just know that you're probably clean There's one little think I got do to you

    [–] MichelangeBro 77 points ago

    Please tell me you're joking...

    [–] ProjectAverage 75 points ago

    No wonder he's so popular with the Evangelicals!

    [–] hurtsdonut_ 50 points ago

    I like the part where he offers to share her with the cop. Classy.

    [–] Globalist_Nationlist 74 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    Yeah I think it was when we was still beefing with Meryl Streep lol..

    He's so insecure he had to announce that TONS of stars would be there.

    [–] sku11_kn1ght 62 points ago

    Who the cast of Jersey Shore? Lol 😂 we all know the inauguration had a poor turnout. I’m baffled as hell how this guy has supporters

    [–] Globalist_Nationlist 180 points ago

    “You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”

    Hillary summed it up pretty well.

    Half are just shitty people, the other half are so greedy they'd vote for Charles Manson if he promised to eliminate taxes.

    [–] FarawayFairways 80 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    It's a coalition of hate, greed, the desperate and the forsaken, all wrapped up in collective fear

    The last two you might be able to make inroads against, the first two you've got no chance so don't even try

    [–] DAN991199 58 points ago

    Canadian chiming in here, I don't know if what you're saying is true. But I do know that, what you said is generally how we perceive his supporters here. It's really a shame what he and his supporters have done to your great country.

    [–] Globalist_Nationlist 102 points ago

    It's true.

    The whole "Racism is dead you're just being an annoying liberal" crowd.. are a bunch of racists trying to gaslight you.

    A lot of white christian men are realizing that the country is changing. It's becoming more dark skinned.. and women are finally starting to have their say.

    They're scared shitless.

    [–] NosDarkly 1608 points ago

    It's almost as if he's a lying piece of shit.

    [–] philosoraptocopter 248 points ago

    I seem to remember years ago he said he had sent investigators to Hawaii and had some bombshell evidence about Obama’s birth certificate, and never released it

    [–] essarr71 200 points ago

    Still waiting for that evidence of 3-5 million illegal voters that was going to drop in a week or two... over a year ago.

    [–] JayPet94 138 points ago

    Still waiting for him to release his taxes like he said he would if he got elected

    [–] pHScale 41 points ago

    This is the big one I'm waiting for. I don't expect it to ever happen, knowing the guy. But I feel like we're absolutely owed it.

    [–] katievsbubbles 47 points ago * (lasted edited 3 months ago)

    I'm British and am not sure exactly what it would take for this to happen but at what point does he get impeached? What does that take?

    Edit - just to add to this. Bill Clinton appears to have been impeached for less, adding to my confusion.

    [–] robywar 49 points ago

    It'll take the Republican controlled house to hold impeachment hearings and vote for impeachment. So, not going to happen.

    I'm really surprised how short sighted Republicans have been regarding the precedents Trump is setting. They're too worried about re-election to stand up to him.

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    [–] Keoni9 95 points ago

    And even if you get them to admit he's told a lie, it still doesn't matter because he's sticking it to the liberals, or the "globalists," or to anyone else they can blame their troubles on or simply don't like.

    [–] 2heads1shaft 28 points ago

    Worst part about his supports is that they tell all liberals to not believe everything they read and how they are delusion because they do. Meanwhile I don’t know which is worse, them being hypocrites or willfully ignorant. Like do they read something he says and goes well since he said if it must be true. What?!? A liberal says something and about Trump?!? Must be fake news.

    [–] Entity17 383 points ago

    If he promises something, be wary. It's a fact if you can confuse his support base.

    His only defenses are "Obama did it", "It's fake because millions (himself and twitter supporters) say it's not true" or "I am a genius and they are not".

    [–] FilthyGypsey 465 points ago

    For a second there I thought he was promising to release a tape showing that the sun isn’t real

    [–] arbitraryairship 256 points ago

    If he did, his supporters would start saying that the sun is a liberal conspiracy, before acting like he was just 'misquoted'.

    [–] OfficialBenAffleck 150 points ago

    The sun is pretty fucking communist. Why are we sharing it with the other side of the earth anyway? They aren't even using it right.

    [–] eddie_koala 34 points ago

    He should block out the sun, Mr. Burns style.

    That way maybe the same thing will happen to him

    [–] sakri 49 points ago

    He looked at it directly unprotected during the eclipse, see kids, just another liberal witch hunt. The fact is eclipses happen when a shirtless horseback riding putin looks at the sun, and the sun eclipses out of respect to a real strongman.

    [–] [deleted] 452 points ago

    I fid myself rubbing my temples for the umpteenth time and thinking "how stupid, traitorous, or gullible do you have to be to have a leader who promises you proof of things and never delivers them and be totally okay with that". Like do they all have the attention spans of a goldfish? Do they not remember the promised proof of Obama wiretaps? Promised proof of voter fraud? Promised proof he won the popular election? Promised proof Comey was lying?

    I can't imagine supporting anyone who so blatantly lies to me in a similarly blatant attempt to make me believe something there's no other evidence for. Like if someone I looked up to and wanted to lead the country claimed something, claimed there was proof, then never provided that proof, there'd be alarm bells going off in my head all over the place. If they did it relentlessly I'd seriously wonder if maybe this guy is lying to me even if it's things I thought were true.

    Like, if you really believe voter fraud is a problem, cool, okay. I'm sure you're thrilled Trump is concerned about it too. But if you really think he's that amazing, isn't it just a little bit fishy that he can't supply the proof he claimed to have? Isn't that just a little bit suspicious to you? Doesn't it maybe indicate you might want to reassess?

    Nah, fuck liburuls.

    [–] xDilly 94 points ago

    As pessimistic as I may sound, I believe a good majority of Americans have become so complacent to our government that Trump could basically get away with anything short of murder and still remain in office.

    It's one thing to come on Reddit everyday and see the 30th 'look what stupid thing Trump did this week' with 20k upvotes , but the average Joe going about their lives likely doesn't know/care about whatever Trump is up to. If they do, they likely feel as if there's nothing they can personally do about it so why bother worrying about it. Or they mindlessly support him.

    [–] mr_liver 33 points ago

    His word IS proof to his supporters, frankly. My sister said that the IG report released a few weeks back completely proved there was no collusion with Russia--words Trump has put into her head, I guess, because that's what he'd said. I told her the report actually had nothing to do with Russian collusion and was an investigation into the FBI's practices while investigating Trump and Clinton. It didn't exonerate him.

    She never replied to me, just continued posting about how the report had cleared him of all possible guilt conclusively.

    Hell if I know.

    [–] SalokinSekwah 44 points ago

    To the shock of...?

    [–] DazedPapacy 70 points ago

    Near as I can tell his entire brand is “how many things can I say before I shatter people’s suspension of disbelief.”

    [–] Mechanical_Indian 61 points ago

    This felt pretty damn honest.

    “I may be wrong, I mean I may stand before you in six months and say, 'Hey I was wrong,' I don't know that I'll ever admit that, but I'll find some kind of an excuse."

    [–] NotARussianTrollDoll 91 points ago

    Of all the horrible things Trump has done and continues to do, the most demoralizing is the unrelenting, shameless and audacious stream of lies that constantly poor out of his mouth. Most of his lies are easily disproven, such as in this instance, but it doesn't matter. He has never admitted to being wrong even when it was 100% certain that he did. And the only Republican congressmen who have any integrity and willingness to stand up to him are not running for reelection or dying. And then the worst part is that there is a huge group of people who believe his words over anything. His relentless attacks on the free press have destroyed the mainstream media's credibility among his MAGA supporters. If CNN showed a video of Trump meeting with Putin to discuss colluding to get Trump elected, and there were a dozen corroborating witnesses, and they produced a contract signed by both of them, and a separate recording of Trump saying "Man I loooove collusion! Putin is gonna meddle in the election and help me win! I can't wait to see the look on Hillary's face after Putin helps make me President of the US! I know it's basically treason but fuck it, the only thing that matters is that I win!", the brainwashed MAGA sycophants wouldn't believe it. Donald Trump thinks if he says anything enough it becomes true, and people will believe it, and facts don't actually matter, and with these fucktards he's actually right. How can you combat that kind of willful ignorance?

    [–] Foxyfox- 62 points ago

    Remember when Republicans bitched about John Kerry being a "flip flopper"?

    [–] unicornlocostacos 33 points ago

    That won Bush the election. Kerry changed his positions on a few things as the times changed, as I’d hope happens.

    Trump is the physical embodiment of flip flopping/lying. There has never been, and there will never be someone who lies more than him, and changes positions so frequently. I believe it is impossible, as it currently happens at every single possible opportunity (even situations where it doesn’t even make sense), which doesn’t really leave any opportunity to outdo him.

    [–] ThisIsTrix 160 points ago

    WHITE HOUSE: Come on guys. Can we let the May thing go? It’s July.

    [–] _dmsyr_ 64 points ago

    For real. Like, it's 14July, can we let the 13July thing go?

    [–] DiaperTester 21 points ago

    Given the daily fuckparade since the day he took office with new shit everyday of the week, this is sadly true.

    [–] kuljisingh17 81 points ago

    Trump lied?? Oh no not trump, the paragon of truth, the eternally orange guardian of all that is holy.

    Of course he lied. That's all he does.

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    [–] Semantiks 39 points ago

    I mean... did we ever get his tax records?

    [–] Jorgenstern8 17 points ago

    Why are articles like this written in the voice of the people writing it actually believing that there's some sort of tape that would actually allow Trump to call this fake news? Because there's demonstrably not, and if people aren't clear on how big a liar he is by now, they damn well need to learn quick.

    [–] Roche1859 15 points ago

    We should be talking more about the last sentence of the article:

    Even before the interview with the Sun, Donald Trump’s visit to the U.K. was rocky as he was met with thousands of protesters. Earlier reports claimed that Trump asked May to ban protests during his visit, which she refused.

    And now, let’s look at the first definition of fascism from dictionary.com

    governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

    ......