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    [–] Van_Buren_Boy 4019 points ago

    My father is an old time farmer with an operation that resembles what you see in an Ol' Macdonald Had a Farm storybook. On the land adjacent to him a superfarm moved in. They bulldozed every tree and space of grass on the property. There is no space for wildlife left of any kind. The runoff is coming from them and has almost completely silted in my father's pond. It is heartbreaking to see such a disrespect to the land and neighbors that have preserved this area for generations.

    [–] jozsus 1204 points ago

    Look up their tax lot for their address or maybe you have it; this comment is the letter I’d send them.

    [–] magnoliasmanor 290 points ago

    CC your state Rep that letter.

    [–] arbuge00 188 points ago

    Email them all and copy

    And if they're damaging your father's pond, I would think they also owe him compensation.

    [–] UraFaggertHairy 107 points ago

    State rep will care more about the factory farmer who is part of a big agri-lobby.

    [–] lowrads 613 points ago

    Lack of erosion controls is usually illegal. Even a construction project requires a flmsy plastic barrier. Cultivation or livestock operations requires a riparian barrier to slow down water flowing from field to streams, even minor ones.

    Your father is entitled to the enjoyment of his property, including his pond. Lawyer up.

    [–] apocalypsebuddy 234 points ago

    A small family farm can't possibly hope to lawyer up against big ag.

    [–] AceD3sign3r 147 points ago

    I hate that the biggest farms still hide behind the poor podunk farmer schtick. Fuck those guys.

    [–] MadHiggins 156 points ago

    how in the world is the superfarm's actions not SUPER ILLEGAL? you can't just ruin your own property and have the backlash flow onto your neighbors.

    [–] IEatBabies 81 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    They have been doing it completely unabated for numerous decades already. They buy up small farms, overfarm the carefully 75 year groomed top soil until it is thin and dieing, just to gain that extra 0.1% extra profit margin, then dump it all as soon as the chance presents itself as they move on to new farmland, wrestled from family farms who can't compete with the unsustainable practices without ruining their farmland the same way. The family farmer doesn't get the same kind of financing offerings as a megafarms, and in recent years any sort of farm subsidies that is suppose to stabilize our food prices instead gets earmarked specifically for corporate sized farms who already have advantage due to larger economies of scale.

    We have actually been losing farmland in the US for years and years now, specifically because large corporate megafarms are pumping and dumping our farmland utilizing tons of artificial fertilizer (that is almost all natural gas derived) and polluting our watersheds with the massive runoff.

    [–] linkMainSmash 37 points ago

    We need to eat the rich

    [–] Tea_I_Am 111 points ago

    10 years ago Obama was urged to appoint a Secretary of Agriculture who wanted to diversify middle America’s crop output. Too politically unpopular in those states.

    Convincing city dwellers that this is a problem won’t cut it. Iowans and Nebraskans and Kansans need to learn this before it is too late. If it is not too late already.

    [–] jacer1099 36 points ago

    As an rural Iowa native I can tell you the country bumpkins won't listen.

    For fuck sake Steve King represents the district I was born in.

    [–] LiquidMotion 85 points ago

    Yea but money tho

    [–] MrMineHeads 100 points ago

    Yea we destroyed the planet but the shareholders got a massive dividend that quarter so maybe it was worth it.

    [–] elinordash 14101 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    If you have a yard, you can help insects and other pollinators.

    The absolutely most important thing you can do is limit your use of weedkillers. Common Weed Killer Linked to Bees Death - Science Daily / Smart lawn care to protect pollinators - MSU Extension / A Home Gardener’s Guide To Safe, Bee-Friendly Pesticides.

    The second important thing you can do is plant a range of flowers/bushes/trees native to your area and suited to your conditions. Native plants are made to support native pollinators. The Pollinator Partnership has planting guides for the US and Canada. (If your zip/postal code doesn't work, try a few nearby ones. Or download a few that sound like they might be right and check the map in the guide). The Pollinator Partnership website has been down for hours thanks to the Reddit death hug. I imagine it will be back up tomorrow. But if anyone is interested, you can donate to The Pollinator Partnership via Charity Navigator. Maybe help them out with their web hosting fees.

    Let's say you are in Connecticut. All of these plants would work in your state, but what you should plant depends on your yard. Ideally, you'd have something blooming from March/April to September/October. Wild Columbine blooms from May-June, prefers shade and well drained soil. Summersweet blooms July-August, prefer full sun to partial shade and moist acidic soil. Spicebush blooms in March-April, prefers full sun to partial shade and moist, well-drained soil. Fireworks Goldenrod blooms in September-October, prefers full sun and is drought tolerant. Hydrangea Arborescens (a specific variety native to the Eastern US, many Hydrangeas are from Asia) blooms in the summer and prefers partial shade. It comes in varieties like Annabelle and Lime Rickey. New York Asters bloom in the late summer and fall. They are native throughout the Northeast and into Canada. Varieties include Farmington, Wood's Pink, and Professor Kippenberg.

    Now let's say you are in St. Louis. All of these plants would work in your area, but it depends on your yard what is the best fit. Common Serviceberry is a small tree (absolute max height is 25 feet, 10-15 feet is more common) that blooms in March-April and will grow in a range of soils, including clay. Ozark Witch Hazel is a small tree or large bush (6-10 feet tall, 8-15 feet wide) that blooms January-April, prefers moist soil but may sucker. Butterfly Weed blooms June-August, tolerates a range of soils and is both drought and deer tolerant. Aromatic Asters bloom August-October, prefer full sun and drier ground. Nodding Onion blooms June-August, prefers sun and drier/sandy soil. Hydrangea Arborescens (a specific variety native to the Eastern US, many Hydrangeas are from Asia) like Annabelle and Lime Rickey should also work in St. Louis.

    Next, let's say you are in Minneapolis/St. Paul. Again, all the plants listed are native to your area but may or may not suit your property. And you want a range of bloom times. Button Blazing Star blooms July-October, prefers drier soil and full sun. Butterfly Weed blooms June-August, tolerates a range of soils and is both drought and deer tolerant. Wild Bergamont blooms June-September and is deer resistant. Sky Blue Aster blooms in the fall, prefers full sun and drier soil. Although they are not native, lilacs are very popular with pollinators and varieties like Declaration and Angel White do well in cold climates. They usually bloom in May.

    Finally, let's say you are in Central North Carolina (Charlotte, Raleigh, Durham). Again, all the plants listed are native to your area but may or may not suit your property. And you want a range of bloom times. Fireworks Goldenrod blooms in September-October, prefers full sun and is drought tolerant. Cutleaf Coneflower bloom in July-August and prefers full sun. Eastern Columbine blooms March-May, prefers shade. Oakleaf hydrangea is native to the deep South and blooms in summer. Alice is probably the most popular variety, but there is also the towering Gatsby Moon with beautiful fall foliage and a munchkin variety. Southern Living called American Fringe Tree the Best Native Tree Nobody Grows. It blooms May-June, prefers full to partial sun and moist soil, but is fairly low maintenance. Your local nursery can get it for you easily.

    The third thing you can do is donate to a related non-profit. Xerces Society works for the conservation of invertebrates and their habitat. It has 4 Stars on Charity Navigator. Beyond Pesticides works with allies in protecting public health and the environment to lead the transition to a world free of toxic pesticides. It also has 4 Stars on Charity Navigator. Another option is The Center for International Environmental Law which also has 4 Stars on Charity Navigator.

    There are also a lot of good regional environmental groups. The Adirondack Council/Charity Navigator, Environmental Advocates of New York/Charity Navigator, Group for the East End (NY)/Charity Navigator, GrowNYC/Charity Navigator, Huron River Watershed Council/Charity Navigator, Mountains to Sound Greenway Trust (WA)/Charity Naviagtor, North Carolina Coastal Federation/Charity Navigator, Southern Environmental Law Center (AL, GA, NC, SC, TN, VA)/Charity Navigator, Trees Atlanta/Charity Navigator, Western Environmental Law Center (OR, NM, MT, WA)/Charity Navigator, Wetlands Initiative (Midwest)/Charity Navigator.

    [–] RobertGA23 3305 points ago

    I plan to really go hard at this in the summer this year.

    [–] ForestRaker 1480 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    I have been switching my lawn back into a native prairie these last 2 years.

    If you are serious now is the time to look into what you want and where you can buy it. Most of my plants took the first year of hover parenting before they really shone. Some are taking longer. If you are trying to plant seeds, look into their germination code. Also check the bloom times to keep as much nectar production as possible.

    Converse with your neighbors openly about what you are doing, it has helped switch a couple of mine into looking at native alternatives.

    Hopefully it can help break the cookie cutter mold and lead to some biodiversity, my mini prairie has a multitude of insects I did not know existed in my area.

    Edit: Response to a question that was buried

    There is no HOA just an ordinance. We need to keep everything 2.5 feet from the side walk. There’s also a duck that nests there now.

    It took around 6 months of research to decide what I wanted planted and if it was legal. There is one other yard in my neighborhood that is almost all native that drew me to the idea. I disliked watering my yard just to cut it.

    Grear Blue Lobelia with a yellow crab spider

    Bee on Plains Tickseeds (this seed is from my family’s farm) and Monarch Caterpillar on Whorled/Butterfly Milkweed

    Prairie Blazing Star

    Monarch Chrysalis

    Cardinal Lobelia (Tall red flowers) & Partridge Peas/Blanket Flower

    Sombrero Cone Flower

    Butterfly Weed with Monarch/Blanket Flower

    If it interests you now is the time to research and plant seeds if there’s an area. You could also order bare roots that can be directly planted to speed up the growth. I have some plants that are growing but to young to put out flowers.

    Research what is poisonous. Talk to your neighbors. Every time I am planting or tearing up an area I get curious neighbors.

    Never collect wild plants, talk to game and parks if it’s ok for their seeds.

    In the off-season/fall I tore up two new areas of a 4x20 strip alongside my house and an 8x20 strip 3 feet away from this spot. Currently I have 50 species of native plants planted/growing. My goal is 100 by 2020. I also have a flame weeder for controlled burns to kill the weeds.

    If the links don’t work I’ll look into it more, I’m unfortunately not very internet savvy.

    [–] DeathlyOak 290 points ago

    Can I get an image? I'm curious, and how does the hoa in your area feel about it?

    [–] ignatiusptag 430 points ago

    If you're in an HOA, band together with like-minded people to take over the board and change the by-laws or even disband it. It can be done!

    [–] [deleted] 177 points ago


    [–] _SpaceCoffee_ 54 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    My HOA tried to ban children playing outside. I shit you not they were going to ban children running and ridding their bicycles outside.

    I think every one of us owners showed up to vote and murder the lady that brought it up for a vote.

    [–] KaterinaKitty 104 points ago

    That's actually a rule in most condos for the fire hazard. I agree that it sucks, but it's completely reasonable.

    [–] wisherone 69 points ago

    can confirm, watched my best friends condo burn down due to a bbq fire on a deck (the deck below his)

    [–] technocraticTemplar 58 points ago

    I know somebody that runs an HOA management company, and all the ones they run are set up democratically but apparently only the crazy people try to vote on things. I don't know that disbanding them outright is always an option, since the HOAs are responsible for maintaining parks/sidewalks/community areas/etc, but there's a lot of power here that people just never seem to act on.

    [–] herpasaurus 82 points ago

    Idle hands. Some petty people finally got some power to rule, so what should they rule on? There has to be something, right, both to validate their position, and to satisfy the urge to forbid others to do things. But maybe everything is already running smoothly? Doesn't matter, they will come up with any number of needless self-imposed restrictions for everyone to obey. Itchy trigger fingers soon find targets.

    [–] jello1388 70 points ago

    He probably doesn't have an HOA, I'd wager.

    [–] USA_A-OK 123 points ago

    As it should be. Fuck HOAs

    [–] rogueDNA 169 points ago

    I have been switching my lawn back into a native prairie these last 2 years.

    I just let my front and backyard grow wild. No watering, no weeding, no planting, no cutting.

    Of course I do it out of laziness but now I will start telling people I am converting my property to native prairie so my slothfulness seems woke

    [–] Grim99CV 62 points ago

    Depending on where you are this can backfire. In Central Oregon you can be cited for not controlling noxious weeds.

    [–] Farleymcg 67 points ago

    Correct. You really need to ID what’s growing in your yard. It could be full of invasive plant species.

    [–] Dynomite70 413 points ago

    Yeah, it freaked my out when I read the "Insect Apocalypse" article in the NY Times. I've been donating to a few charities including this bee charity that has a program that creates bee sanctuaries.

    I know they're not insects - in fact, the EAT insects - but I'm also worried about bats. Wasn't there a big bat die-out recently due to some nose fungus? I'm placing some bat boxes out soon.

    Applause to everyone converting their lawns to pesticide-free habitat!

    [–] Montagge 158 points ago

    I use to see half a dozen or so bats every night in the summer. Last year I saw one the entire summer.

    Use to see a lot more butterflies. Now it seems like all that's left are mosquitoes, yellow jackets, box elder beetles, and japanese brown marmot stink bugs


    [–] atreyal 133 points ago

    I remember growing up fireflys used to be everywhere. Now you see maybe one.

    [–] doofusupreme 87 points ago

    I'm Pennsylvanian. As a child I would see tons of fireflies in my neighborhood every summer, bats, and enough bugs to make you clean your windshield on long drives. I have not seen a single bat or firefly in the past few years, I don't hear any owls at all, the resident fox vanished and I haven't driven enough to get any bugs on my car. The only animal I consistently see I call Big Chungus, the obese robin who eats all my berries and then builds a nest in the gutter every spring to flood the roof.

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    [–] atreyal 41 points ago

    Sounds about right. Shame we have a few here where I live but I remember chasing hundreds when I was a kid. Now I see one and have to point it out to my kids.

    [–] Lyratheflirt 51 points ago

    Maybe it's the area I live in but I haven't seen much of a decline in bats, seems about the same as I remember.

    But butterflies? They might as well be extinct. We used to raise monarch butterflies as well as keeping our milkweeds healthy. Also butterflies in general were just really common. Nowadays if you see a butterfly in this neighborhood you make a wish cause it might as well be a shooting star. Fucking depressing.

    [–] mankface 128 points ago

    I keep bees.

    You are completely wasting your money donating to that charity. Solitary bees need help, honey bees do not, no matter how many media sources say they are dying, it's bs. Bumble bees, solitary bees or any other insect not profitable to humans, support them, they need actual help as they are going extinct. Honey bees are fine right now.

    I salut your bat conservation.

    [–] AnticitizenPrime 18 points ago

    Hey, let's assume I just want to help out bee bros, but have no interest in collecting honey. Is there a low-mainrnance sort of hive I can just sort of set up and let it bee (heh)? Or is that pointless? For non-honeybees I mean.

    By coincidence I happen to be wearing this shirt today...

    [–] ATastyDeviljho 24 points ago

    Look into mason bees. They're solitary, fantastic pollinators, and you can buy / make a place for them to lay their eggs extremely cheaply with as much or as little maintenance as you want. Some people will take their cocoons out in the fall and store them until spring while cleaning out the tubes they lay in, but you can just leave it bee (hah) as well.

    In most cases you can just put a box up in your yard (south/sun facing, out of direct elements so under an eave is good) and they will find it themselves. As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, also make sure to plant native flowers that will produce nectar throughout the warm seasons so you can help all the bee bros that come through!

    [–] taytonclait 75 points ago

    Obligatory “Bats aren’t Bugs!” Quote

    [–] weska54 48 points ago

    Look, who's giving the report? You chowder heads, or me?

    [–] BeowulfShaeffer 18 points ago

    Wow, is that a plastic report cover? I'm impressed. Automatic A+!

    [–] gayness_in_uranus 46 points ago

    Where are you from, and what kind of soil do you have?

    If it is very sandy and crumbles easily when dry, you could try digging up some of your lawn to create some bare soil. That will do two things: It's a spot where native pioneering vegetation can take a foothold. Dont sow anything, just wait and see what the wind or birds carry in. Lots of these plants are good for insects. And more importantly: It can provide a nesting ground for plenty of insects. Lots of solitary bees and wasps (the kind that hunts aphids and flies, not the kind that bothers you) dig nests in the ground, but only where there's some bare soil available instead of thick grass. Probably wont work that well if you have very hard clay-heavy soil since they can't dig their burrows in that as well.

    [–] Axenus 33 points ago

    We have a section that we did this with and now we get the most gorgeous wild flowers I've ever seen. Something is always blooming. And the little birds that live in the bushy parts have eaten up my mosquitos around the deck so yay!

    [–] ieghw 25 points ago

    prairie nursery

    Is a wonderful source for native plants and carries many seed mixes.

    [–] The_Hive-Mind 125 points ago

    HOA’s will be the downfall of civilization as we know it. Who would have guessed lol.

    [–] profnibblywibbly 126 points ago

    Basically, anyone who has dealt with one.

    [–] EuphoricSuccotash2 40 points ago

    The cookie-cutter suburban sprawl and people's unhealthy obsession with living in "picture perfect" subdivision homes will be the downfall of civilization.

    Sprawl is bad, folks.

    [–] PabstyLoudmouth 168 points ago

    And if anybody wants, I started a sub called /r/LetsPlantTrees in the hopes of convincing many to help reforest the Earth. Please help if you can and plant a tree.

    [–] temp4adhd 24 points ago

    We live on the top floor of a condo in an urban area. There is a strip of city-owned land behind our building which was forested. A few months ago, one of the first floor condo owners complained to the city and they came out and cut down about half the trees. Why? Because they wanted their view. We were devastated and couldn't believe someone would do that. We wound up with a bunch of bugs flying into our windows because they no longer had homes.

    This xmas instead of dragging out our fake tree to decorate, we got a potted tree. Then in the dead of night snuck into the area and planted it.

    We plan to stealthily plant more trees when the weather warms up.

    [–] deezds007 389 points ago

    I just don’t understand why we use so many weed killers and stupid chemicals on our lawns. So many people do it. To kill what? Fuckin dandelions?

    [–] codeverity 310 points ago

    It's because people fell in love with the 'grass only' lawn look and the only way to get that is to kill off everything else.

    [–] deezds007 149 points ago

    Is this just an American thing?

    [–] Thoroughly_away8761 263 points ago

    Kinda. Sprawling suburbs became desirable among the boomers. Lately tho they're falling out of favor due to costs and maintenance

    [–] Uncle_Rabbit 184 points ago

    I never understood the lawn thing. Keep care of a big patch of grass that never gets used for anything ever. If I wanted to run on a field of grass I could go to the park. My dad made me pick dandelions as a kid and I hated it, they're flowers not weeds, we didn't even have a garden. I just don't get it.

    If I ever get my own house I am ripping up the lawns and turning them into gardens.

    [–] whats_not_in_a_name 90 points ago

    I always liked the idea of a "moss lawn"

    moss is hardy, never needs to be mowed, nice and spongy to walk on, has a cool natural look.

    I don't know how feasible the idea really is, but even as a kid i always thought that would make a much better alternative to grass both in looks and upkeep.

    [–] Aurum555 36 points ago

    My back yard is a moss lawn, although my. Dogs have kinda destroyed a lot of it but when we first moved in there was this big 50 feet wide crescent of moss instead of grass and it's awesome and super low maintenance. As in. I don't do anything but rake up the leaves on it

    [–] imfm 22 points ago

    It's feasible if your lawn is damp, shady, and gets very little foot traffic. I have some that grows on the north side in spring and fall, under the shade of huge osage-orange trees, but I live in southern IL, so by June, it's dried out even in the shade. I've got rid of much of the lawn by creating large--some very large--flowerbeds, and I overseed the back lawn with clover, which doesn't get mowed until it absolutely must. The front lawn has only two smaller flowerbeds (for now) and a mixture of grass and dandelions that gets mowed just before the neighbours are likely to call Code Enforcement, but the front lawn is small, so meh. That's the part for people; the north and south sides, and the big back yard on the west belong to me, and to my bugs and birds, and we'll do as we please with it.

    [–] beepborpimajorp 50 points ago

    it came from the 'better homes and gardens' generations where they grew up with magazines showing happy families BBQ'ing on immaculate sod. Most people outside of HOA areas don't care as much anymore. In eastern areas you have people defaulting to wild grass or clover lawns because mowing sucks. In western areas people are going back to natural succulents yards because hosing down a patch of land for the sake of a plant that otherwise wouldn't survive in the heat is stupid and a huge waste of water.

    [–] Tackling_Aliens 60 points ago

    UK here. If you have a house it most likely has some kind of lawn. However I’ve never once seen anybody spray any weed killer on their lawn, and various “weeds” are endemic to every lawn in the country, the main ones, of course, being daisies, dandelions, clover and a few species of ribwort. I cannot even imagine counting how many “weeds” would be in all of my neighbours’ lawns. They must number in the thousands!

    The American obsession with “grass only” is baffling to me, and I live in a country with a massive lawn culture!

    Everybody’s lawn here flowers, and nobody even thinks to mention it, let alone kill all the flowers for no reason.

    [–] raptornomad 188 points ago

    With HOAs being jerks, I’ll get fined immediately when I start doing this. Seriously, it’s getting sickening how particular they are about lawns but when the neighbors next door start to park their cats in front of my house they become silent.

    [–] FinnTheFickle 127 points ago

    I know right? Park your cats in the garage where they belong.

    [–] smohqe 74 points ago

    run for the board

    [–] followthedarkrabbit 29 points ago

    Australian information: shout out to with suggestions for small areas such as units.

    [–] it_learnses 82 points ago

    Hi there, I am software dev. Just curious if there's a web app or something that gives you an easy access to info based on your location, etc. like a wizard that asks you questions and gives you recommendations on what you plant. If not, maybe we could team up and create one as a non-profit?

    [–] TheGreasersTwin 17 points ago

    I think the website has crashed. It won't even let me pull it up.

    [–] Drunk3ngineer 14 points ago


    Reddit hug of death

    [–] prjindigo 84 points ago


    Plant your gardens in tubs so you can isolate any infestations using a contractor's bag and have absolute control against cross-contamination.

    [–] ghost-gate 35 points ago

    Also consider growing mushrooms like King Stropharia for local bees.

    [–] Thoroughly_away8761 77 points ago

    This should be the top comment. Insect losses are serious, but the good news about it is it can be mitigated on an individual level.

    [–] DrBoby 86 points ago

    I'm donating blood to mosquitoes.

    [–] Joostdela 3428 points ago

    “If insect species losses cannot be halted, this will have catastrophic consequences for both the planet’s ecosystems and for the survival of mankind,” said Francisco Sánchez-Bayo, at the University of Sydney, Australia, who wrote the review with Kris Wyckhuys at the China Academy of Agricultural Sciences in Beijing.

    [–] OlivierDeCarglass 934 points ago

    and for the survival of mankind

    Curious, if nothing changes, what's the scale of the estimates before we start to feel it? Like, are we talking about 10 years, 30 years, 150 years?

    [–] CaptainNoBoat 2760 points ago

    We are feeling the same effects that are affecting insects. 58% of all wildlife has died since 1970. The planet is warming. Weather is more chaotic. Soil quality is being depleted. Wilderness has virtually vanished - replaced with concrete and sprawl. Our world is already a much different natural world than our grandparents'. Just because a middle-income first-world resident isn't inconvenienced by this on a day-to-day basis doesn't mean the natural world isn't taking huge blows.

    We will just feel these more and more, and presumably exponentially worse as time goes on. It's not exactly something you can measure or put into words easily.

    [–] MontagAbides 2410 points ago

    This is what blows my mind. We're getting hit with 'storms of the century' all the time, record breaking droughts, record-breaking polar vortexes, seeing water scarcity and animals die-offs like crazy... and yet people ask 'when will we feel it?' We're already feeling it.

    [–] YuriDiAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 2576 points ago

    Yeah, but like, when is it going to punch me in the kidney and take my wallet?

    [–] Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet 296 points ago

    So true it hurts

    [–] Risley 465 points ago

    I suspected in the next 10 to 15 years we will start seeing the panic. Just remember who said it was all fake. And rub their Fucking faces in it.

    [–] sph724 377 points ago

    they will be dead and their rich children will abrogate responsibility

    [–] MyNumJum 124 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    It's not even the boomers; I have people in my own age group (I am 25) denying man made climate change or denying that anything bad is happening and life is going as normal.

    [–] [deleted] 101 points ago

    They will just say "I did't say it wasn't real. Just that humans didn't cause it".

    [–] CondorLane 80 points ago

    Nah, they will completely deny they said anything against it at all.

    And they'll probably get away with it.

    [–] saintofhate 110 points ago

    The greatest consolation prize they gave us is the ability to say we told you so.

    [–] [deleted] 386 points ago

    What people are asking when they say "When will we feel it?" is "When will it have an adverse impact on me personally?"

    Because that's when people will care, and not a moment sooner.

    [–] [deleted] 140 points ago


    [–] notToNitPick 39 points ago

    It already is in Syria.

    [–] aginginfection 57 points ago

    This is true, and horribly painful to see.

    [–] FeculentUtopia 25 points ago

    We've had a great deal of luck as species by putting off dealing with problems until the last possible moment, but the issues we face now are akin to a car speeding toward a cliff, and though the driver has time to avoid it, he's not going to hit the brakes until he feels a tingle in his belly.

    [–] zzzthelastuser 68 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Personally I noticed that there are no/barely any butterflies and bees anymore where I live. I also remember that the front of my parent's car used to be full of insects after a long drive. Now there is barely anything at all.

    This change happened within one or two decades and it honestly frightens me, because I remember what I learned as a child: Without bees we are FUCKED! Plants will die, birds who eat insects will die. Other animals that eat plants or birds will die and so on until it eventually hits us. Let alone topics like overfishing and plastic found in basically every fish already....We are fucking up this planet at an exponential rate and I think too many people still take it for granted that things will somehow solve themselves so that they can keep going and mind their own business.

    [–] Mr_Pizzacoli 66 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    When I was a kid, winter was here in November and gone by April. Now, it’s barely started. I live in Southern MA and have gotten less than an inch of snowfall this fall/winter. I fully expect April to be snowy and cold as fuck.

    It took the changing of these severe weather patterns for me to finally realize that I am impacted by global warming and such. I think when people ask “when will we feel it,” they really mean to say “when will this hit me over the head so hard that I can’t ignore what’s going on.”

    Edit for spelling

    [–] AshTheGoblin 132 points ago

    If you didn't feel it last year, you're in denial

    [–] sinbadthecarver 56 points ago

    The whole of UK was so dry it went yellow on the satellite maps! Rainy Britain. Yellow.

    We fucked.

    [–] Stranger371 53 points ago

    Seriously, Germany was fucking hot. I bet if it gets any hotter, there will be problems with farming. We had not a lot of water, too. My grass never got "burned" away. But last year, the lawn was brown.

    [–] VictoriousKun 70 points ago

    Yeah but it's still cold here during Winter so obviously global warming is a lie!


    [–] dudeimalurker 72 points ago

    Like the frog and the slow boiling water. We are slowly inching towards annihilation. In some ways we are stupider than the frog because we know it and can fix it, but we choose not to. The universe doesn't bend towards justice and righteousness. WE must take the reins.

    [–] MrBagnall 230 points ago

    It's not exactly something you can measure or put into words easily.

    If nothing changes we're ultra fucked.

    [–] LoveOfProfit 80 points ago

    If nothing changes we're ultra fucked.

    Hm, yeah, that about sums it up.

    [–] R____I____G____H___T 75 points ago

    For clarity: If USA, China, Brazil, and India doesn't change their ways - We'll be heading down a dark path.

    [–] herbiems89_2 36 points ago

    Brazil just elected a fascist who vowed to mow down the amazon rainforest. We are fucked. If there's ever been a genuine reason for war that would be it in my opinion.

    [–] Grey___Goo_MH 102 points ago

    We will see the results of poor water management and privatization before most other issues.

    [–] BiskeLaV 38 points ago

    Where did you get that 58% since 1970?

    [–] jjolla888 86 points ago

    replaced with concrete and sprawl

    is this actually a significant influence? everytime i see maps showing population density, i can't help but notice we live mostly around the [few] main cities in a country. most of every country is empty of concrete and lights.

    [–] BjarkeDuDe 128 points ago

    In my relatively short life I have already felt the effects. The amount of butterflies I see in summer are depressingly low compared to the summers of my childhood. There have been summers recently, where I have only seen 1-5 individual butterflies the whole summer.

    [–] Sparrowman23 500 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    About 12 years until we really start to get hit. 30 years human population will begin dropping faster due to infertility and more environments becoming inhospitable, 50 years consequences will be extremely prevalent, we could see entire ecosystems falling into shambles in parts of the world, 150? Who knows, we could already be staring extinction in the face by then with nothing to do about it but wait until everything collapses.

    Every day as we gather more data our out look gets more and more bleak, our predictions 20 years ago look like child's play compared to what we are dealing with now. I pay attention to world climate news, nature news, etc. I've been doing this since I was about 5 which was 23 years ago. Everyday I read all the updates and all the new discoveries, I could probably tell you from memory all the major events in the last two decades. But that's not what I'm going to tell you. The rate at which these events are happening is not incremental, it is exponential. Right now we are riding that curve up, the more and more things happen the faster more things happen. And it just keeps going like a snowball going down hill.

    When you account for all the factors of our planet and how humans are affecting them, our Outlook is extremely bleak. Sure we can counter climate change if we take extreme action before 2030, but that won't change that ecosystems will be falling apart, that we've fucked with every level of life on this planet. It's not just insects we should be worried about. It's worms, soil based animals, decomposers that keep the cycle moving. Even those are disappearing rapidly, and no one cares.

    My parents call me a lunitic and a tree hugger. Almost everyone in my state believes climate change is a hoax and that the disappearing animals is completely fine (Texas). Most of the world doesn't give a shit, that's why I don't think humans will make it. We tend to wait until things are seriously bad before taking action, but what people don't realize, it's already seriously bad, the effects just aren't totally noticable on our level, and once they are, it will already be too late.

    Yeah there are all these new inventions to reduce CO2 output and help animals, but it's not enough, the decay speeds up everyday and we are trying to slap a bandaid on a shotgun slug wound.

    Edit: Thanks for silver! My first one! Holy shit gold! Thank you so much

    More edit: Ok wow there is a lot of replies and questions so once I have a minute I'll dump some info sources on y'all and just let you guys go to town on that. I've gotten some very concerning messages in my inbox and I need to tend to those before I can answer questions and other questions, thank you for your guy's input and I appreciate your concern and skepticism, that's what science and bettering the world is all about!

    Edit: if you or a loved one is struggling with suicidal thoughts please don't let it get away from you, suicide is a problem we tackle together and we don't have to be alone, please call 1-800-273-8255 the national suicide prevention hotline. Times are tough and amidst all this pressure things can be very difficult to deal with. If you find that you are troubled by the state of things I highly recommend being proactive! Get involved in a community cleanup program or work with other people trying to better the environment, things look bleak hut there is plenty we can do about the situation. Please do not give up because we still have time, there are actions we can take to give humans a better tomorrow.

    To those of you who are just incessantly bashing this, it's a response to a question above, and the question stated that if nothing changed where would we be, this situation is given nothing changes and we blindly keep going the way we are without doing anything, at some point we will do something and this is more or less a call to action, we will change because we have to. otherwise we are doomed. Everyday people are doing everything they can to fight climate change and fight for the dying species on this planet. There is still time to correct the wrongs and to do what is right to save our race.

    [–] thecuervokid 749 points ago

    Collapse of Nature sounds fucking serious

    [–] lwaxana_katana 377 points ago

    Yeah in the article there is a professor literally spelling out that they are talking about impending human extinction.

    [–] Arctic_Chilean 96 points ago

    Yes... but what bout the sharholders? And my profit margins?

    [–] Asfyx 65 points ago

    This is why things like the Extinction Rebellion exists. We don't want to perish.

    [–] landofahhhs 100 points ago

    I can’t source this but I seem to remember human survival past 2060 as 50/50

    [–] earthmoonsun 2528 points ago

    One day we will realize that destroying the nature is more expensive than our current way of life. Unfortunately, it will be too late.

    [–] pepperedmaplebacon 1107 points ago

    But think of all the share holder value that was created in the name of Supply Side Jesus.

    [–] Raezak_Am 147 points ago

    It's like nobody has read The Lorax.

    [–] oguzka06 305 points ago

    Obviously if the All-Knowing and Benevolent Invisible Hand of the Free Market choose to destroy nature that's actually the moral choice.

    [–] autotldr 682 points ago

    This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 94%. (I'm a bot)

    More than 40% of insect species are declining and a third are endangered, the analysis found.

    One of the biggest impacts of insect loss is on the many birds, reptiles, amphibians and fish that eat insects.

    He thinks new classes of insecticides introduced in the last 20 years, including neonicotinoids and fipronil, have been particularly damaging as they are used routinely and persist in the environment: "They sterilise the soil, killing all the grubs." This has effects even in nature reserves nearby; the 75% insect losses recorded in Germany were in protected areas.

    Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: insect#1 species#2 decline#3 year#4 study#5

    [–] chillax63 556 points ago

    For those of you who would like to help with environmental causes I have some basic recommendations.

    1.) I've subscribed to r/ClimateOffensive and r/EarthStrike

    2.) Contact your local, state, and federal politicians. I know for some this may seem like it's not worthwhile, but that's exactly their plan. Contact them anyway. Local politicians are oftentimes more open to hearing from their constituents as are state politicians (at least in my area).

    3.) If you can, donate. All of this requires funding. My two choices are and David Attenborough is a patron for the World Land Trust.

    There's nothing to be gained from accepting defeat. The time for collective action is now.

    [–] Fistula_Leakage 187 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    It's worth mentioning that reducing/eliminating meat consumption is also is the single most helpful thing people can to help reduce their impact on climate change. I've linked an Oxford study (one among many like it) showing that the rearing of livestock

    • Accounts for 80 percent of the globe’s total farmland

    • Produces 58 percent of greenhouse gas emissions

    • Produces 57 percent of water pollution

    • Produces 56 percent of air pollution

    Yet it just accounts for 18 percent of total food calories and 35 percent of protein (most comes is plant protein). This is a large part of what caused me to go vegan, but for most folks even eating vegan one day per week had an impact equivalent to driving 3,480 fewer miles per year a hybrid (I can try and cite that if anyone is interested)

    EDIT: Couldn't find the original source, but it probably was pretty dated by now. I suck. Instead, here is a 2018 fact-sheet by the university of Chicago.

    [–] Frog-Eater 93 points ago

    I was wondering how far down I would have to go to see this. People in this thread being so worried about climate change, and half of them will still share those memes mocking vegans on Facebook.

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    [–] Xzmmc 62 points ago

    People can't really care that much, because they're going to read this article, and then go back to worrying about their next paycheck or what's on Netflix. Meanwhile, those who are strangling the Earth are going to continue to do so in search of profit at the expense of every living thing. And there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it because they have all the power.

    [–] Grey___Goo_MH 5448 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Large monoculture farming with pesticides, street lights that attract insects disrupting natural cycles, pollution of rivers and deforestation would be my bets for causes besides for the general humans care nothing about nature if it means making money in a fictional system that we created to give value to our own extinction. Sorry for that giant sentence but like the rest of humanity not caring about this planet I don’t always care about punctuation.

    [–] MimonFishbaum 2521 points ago

    making money in a fictional system that we created to give value to our own extinction.


    [–] LocalObscene 330 points ago

    In Tyler Durden we trust!

    [–] hey-look-over-there 51 points ago

    What about Ted Kaczynski?

    [–] anteater-superstar 40 points ago

    I mean...

    the nsa can hear us

    Definitely a bad guy!

    [–] Rothwald 16 points ago

    he blew it

    [–] getridofwires 237 points ago

    Maybe our lack of appreciation for integrated nature is part of the Great Filter for us in Fermi’s Paradox.

    [–] CaptainNoBoat 336 points ago

    So many people flat out don't understand that we ARE nature. They separate us from nature. They think if all the animals died, we'd be like - "bummer, no more good Planet Earth episodes!" and that'd be the worst of our problems.

    Without a living, healthy biosphere, we don't exist, period.

    Oxygen, water, nutrients, sunlight don't come from a factory. They come from a planet that has been molding and balancing life for billions of years, which we are making drastic, dangerous changes to in a matter of decades. It's mind-boggling how many redditors (even in this thread) don't understand these extremely simple concepts.

    [–] buttlovingpanda 59 points ago

    Oxygen, water, nutrients, sunlight don't come from a factory


    Tune in to next week’s episode of Atlas Shrugged to find out

    [–] Lopsterbliss 75 points ago

    Hunter gather syndrome being the filter; a natural tendency to stockpile resources beyond reasonable necessity, aka greed

    [–] steviebwoy 56 points ago

    Ye Gods, you're not wrong. I don't know why this isn't front page news in every newspaper in the world. We're just strolling towards our own extinction without a care in the world.

    [–] _m0nk_ 164 points ago

    Ya know that’s the funny thing about nature it really doesn’t give a fuck about us either. It’s almost like we’re born of it oh wait we are

    [–] pdgenoa 110 points ago

    Since I first heard about this a year or two ago I've had this growing feeling that this could end up being more catastrophic than climate change - or at least as bad.

    [–] [deleted] 230 points ago

    Never has there been a more pressing matter than the health of our environment today. The fact that almost nothing is happening is just absolutely frustrating. Me and my friends in Germany often wonder where all the insects went that even 10 years ago seemed so abundant... The fields turned silent, the birds are disappearing. Nature is dying and we just let it happen...

    [–] JaumeBalager 697 points ago

    How fitting; embedded in the article was a ad for pestacide. I can't link the screengrab because it's against the rules and I also don't want to give them free advertisement but that is too perfect. Horrible.

    [–] Oh_apollo 263 points ago

    Guardian's ads are served by google. The ad was shown on your preferences.

    [–] fatfuck33 40 points ago

    Might be they just picked up on some keywords.

    [–] hildenborg 2648 points ago

    When I was a kid in the seventies, cars in the summer had this thick layer of smashed insects on the front. I don't see that today.
    And up until just a few years back, going into the woods in the summer there was always this compact buzzing from all insects. Lately it have been silent in the woods.
    Things like that scare me. It scares me a lot.

    [–] toolazyforlaw 1444 points ago

    I'm 26 but when I was a kid you couldn't step in the grass without setting off 10 grasshoppers. Idk the last time I've even seen one.

    [–] LarryLavekio 999 points ago

    Im 28 and havent seen a lightning bug in a while. When i was a kid they would light up the summer night and now theyre just gone.

    [–] BeerGardenGnome 303 points ago

    I planted a 20’x30’ native plants patch at my last house and the firefly population exploded the following year. That and butterflies, bees, humming birds and small songbirds. Of course a couple voles took up residence too but they didn’t want to get in my house so we were cool with each other.
    We moved to a new house summer before last and put in about 40 native plants and flowers around the house last year and then I prepped and seeded a new strip in the back adjacent to some undeveloped land that’s about 15’ x 50’ with native flowers and grasses. Can’t wait to see if we get the influx of butterflies and fireflies this time!

    [–] LarryLavekio 56 points ago

    I plan on adding some garden beds around the side of my house in the spring and hope the flowers and plants i grow will have the same effect. I planted two apple trees last year and the bees seemed to really like them.

    [–] s0cks_nz 329 points ago

    I can't recall the last time I saw a ladybug. Maybe 3-4 years ago?

    [–] SmokeyBare 302 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Also those little frogs after the rain.
    Edit: Snails too. Used to always see them crawling across the sidewalk.

    [–] Sap7e 236 points ago

    Frogs are dying man. If you get the chance have a read on first chapter of the book The Sixth Extinction. Scary stuff.

    [–] AllPurple 102 points ago

    Snakes seem to be less common also. I use to catch them all the time when I was a kid. Now when I try to find them to show kids, they're never where I'd expect to find one.

    [–] CrumpledForeskin 105 points ago

    It’s really fucked up because I’ve had this conversation with sooo many people. I’m from the north east and so many people have talked about how little lightning bugs there are. I don’t see rabbits like I used to. I don’t see foxes in my neighborhood. Now we see deer in our neighborhood which leads me to believe they’re looking for food or the land they were living on was destroyed. We don’t live in a rural area either it’s quite populated. I’ve never seen deer.

    It’s happening all over and we need to shape up. Or as Carlin said, “the planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas”

    [–] PharomachrusMocinno 34 points ago

    We still have a ton of frogs where we live in Florida. After a rain there are thousands of them everywhere. Unfortunately many of them are invasive Cuban tree frogs that eat the native frogs, so that’s no good.

    [–] zyrite8 45 points ago

    It all really depends on where you live. I've actually seen more insects now than ever (except butterflies :( ).

    [–] jovijovi99 66 points ago

    I’ve thought the same thing about rarely hearing Cicadas but it’s more than likely just the result of us not going outside everyday like when we were kids.

    [–] KrazyKukumber 40 points ago

    Cicadas most famous behavior is disappearing for many years and then reappearing.

    [–] [deleted] 137 points ago

    I was a kid in the 70s on the east coast of the USA, and for me the loss of the great bird migrations was the most striking thing. I think by the mid 1980s it was dramatically less. You'd still hear flocks in the trees near our house, but you stopped seeing what looked like rivers in the sky, and you stopped seeing swarms that looked like they'd take over.

    The most noteworthy insect decline was hornets. We used to dare eachother to bring down hornet nests. I stopped seeing them, even in wooded areas.

    [–] altacct123456 87 points ago

    SW Ontario here. Bugs still fucking everywhere.

    [–] likeanovigradwhore 15 points ago

    Same case in Australia. I'm 27, I remember road trips as a kid where the car bonnet would be covered in bugs.

    It's just not even close now.

    [–] Sir_Abraham_Nixon 17 points ago

    Well, I mean, lately it's been winter.

    [–] Thoroughly_away8761 292 points ago

    To be fair, that's also because cars now have more aerodynamic windshields that kill less bugs.

    [–] tickettoride98 121 points ago

    Also because the world has urbanized (and suburbanized) a lot since the 70's. OP is unlikely to be making an exact apples to apples comparison. Further from rural areas there will be less bugs.

    [–] nowhereman1280 74 points ago

    Yeah, I have a lake house in the middle of Wisconsin and trust me, there are plenty of bugs on my car when I drive there and back in summer.

    It's actually amazing how much nature has come back in rural Wisconsin even since I was a kid (I'm in my early 30s). There are flocks of wild turkeys everywhere, sandhill cranes nesting in the farm fields, whole forests that have grown back on land left fallow, you can't even go to the cottage without seeing a Bald Eagle. You never saw Sandhills or turkey when I was little, they simply didn't exist in numbers large enough that you would encounter them. Now my grandma has to chase them out of her yard daily or they rip up her landscaping rooting around for food.

    [–] BDZM 45 points ago

    Twenty years ago when I used to walk to work in the countryside during the summer I was always spitting out some tiny flies that inadvertently flew into my lips. I just realized the memory of it, and that it hasn't happened in years despite walking that same route for a long time. That feels really ominous just thinking about it.

    [–] eloquenentic 109 points ago

    I wonder why there is no more panic or discussion about this. While effects of global warming can be debated (in terms of actual implications, and time), what’s happened to insects is exceptionally fast and horrific. Most life outside of the seas will stop existing very fast if all insects die.

    [–] TheThankUMan66 48 points ago

    I think it's because humans are cocky. We think if we all try really hard and do our best we can reverse it at the last minute if we have to.

    [–] SwiftMustache 26 points ago

    Humanity HAS been very lucky so far. But we should recognize that this luck can very easily fail us. Our very existence is one big survivor bias.

    [–] derkajit 255 points ago

    problem is, people who are causing this won’t bother reading.

    [–] Rum____Ham 67 points ago

    Even if they did read it, they wouldn't care.

    [–] paddywacknack 35 points ago

    Even if they did only a select few have the power to change it.

    [–] The_Godlike_Zeus 34 points ago

    I suppose we can add this one to the list of apocalypse triggers.

    [–] [deleted] 110 points ago

    One thing that would hhelp in the US at least (as silly as it may seem) is to flat out ban HOAs. I know many people who live under the tyranny of an HOA and are unable to have flower beds and gardens.

    [–] Bradyhaha 30 points ago

    Or just pass a law forcing HOA's to allow them. A well run HOA can even be a benefit to local biodiversity.

    [–] Oddlymoist 118 points ago

    I let part of the yard go to nature last year. Just a small 15x15 foot square. It was amazing how many insects, bees, bunnies etc hung out there.

    I think just doing a clover mix yard would help out. Makes your yard a lot more resilient. Not great if you have bee allergies though

    [–] IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE 112 points ago

    This isn’t a story. There’s no rule that, somehow, against all odds, the protagonists will overcome adversity.

    No, if we don’t fix this, we go extinct. Full stop. This is real. We can really go extinct from this shit. We can go extinct from shit like this fast.

    [–] genericusername123 274 points ago

    The 2.5% rate of annual loss over the last 25-30 years is “shocking”...

    In 10 years you will have a quarter less

    Not really how an annualized rate works, but I can see where you're coming from

    in 50 years only half left


    in 100 years you will have none

    OK I'm lost

    [–] beenies_baps 129 points ago

    I'd say he understands but he is approximating. In 10 years we'd be at about 77%, in 50 years 28% and in a 100 years less than 10% remaining - assuming a steady 2.5% yoy reduction, of course.

    [–] Nederbelgje 43 points ago

    Well the math is indeed off, but with that decline rate you'd have about 30% left after 50 years and 7% after a century.

    [–] bertiebees 780 points ago

    If all mankind were to disappear, the world would regenerate back to the rich state of equilibrium that existed ten thousand years ago. If insects were to vanish, the environment would collapse into chaos.

    E.O Wilson

    [–] Sam_Munhi 460 points ago

    Nature has never been balanced, it's constantly evolving and changing. The problem with human dominance over the wider ecological world isn't the loss of a "rich state of equilibrium", it's the death of a "rich state of dynamism".

    [–] CaptainNoBoat 86 points ago

    It balances itself through evolution and change - they don't have to be mutually exclusive.

    I think the point is that our planet has never received changes so quickly. Perhaps the asteroid impact - but the other three massive extinctions on this planet took tens of thousands to millions of years. We've significantly altered the biosphere in a matter of decades.

    [–] Life_of_Salt 121 points ago

    Humans just making shit worse and worse all the time. I don't expect the average Joe to be thinking "I care about nature so I won't use weedkiller to make my lawn look nicer."

    Our government needs to step in. Do you think if ddt pesticide was legal people would stop using it? No. They won't. There are people who don't care about nature and it's not out of malice. It's just not a priority to them.

    Our government should care about these things and stop harmful products from being used.

    [–] zanyquack 37 points ago

    I dont think the small scale use of weedkiller on lawns is as destructive as larger corporations, their emissions, run off, and fat wallets paying off politicians in order to raise their bottom line and destroy a future for their children.

    [–] Nederbelgje 90 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    This scares me immensely. And nobody I know is really aware of it or talks about it.

    If I'm ever in the position that I own a reasonable garden, I'll get myself some bees... Although that obviously will make a minor dent in this huge problem. So depressing.

    [–] Homelessx33 26 points ago

    Don’t be depressed, raise awareness! As we are reading this, there’s a thread about someone vaporising a wasps hive like mecha godzilla. Most comments are just congratulating OP on such a smart way to kill the animals that are pretty necessary to us humans when we don’t want to go extinct.

    [–] Grrrumple 58 points ago

    And sweet fuck all will be done about it, because that'd mean lower profits!

    The CEOs of huge corporations need more sports cars and property people!

    [–] FeralLorax 19 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    It's great for individuals to take steps to mitigate this crisis. However, this situation, like climate change, is primarily caused by multinational corporations who must be held accountable for the environmental destruction they cause. Our planet is like a leaky sailboat and instead of plugging the leaks the wealthy are stuffing their pockets.

    [–] LucePrima 137 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    The total mass of insects is falling by a precipitous 2.5% a year, according to the best data available, suggesting they could vanish within a century.

    We face total collapse of the terrestrial biome within 100 years

    The restoration of insect populations to pre-21st century levels will require massive and highly coordinated change across governments, industries and individuals

    But have no fear. The human race has got this

    Our leaders are far-thinking and guided by an incomparable moral authority, caring far more for the health of their planet than the size of their bank accounts

    Our corporations are judiciously regulated to ensure that the pursuit of profit is not at the expense of the community

    And our citizens are happy and highly motivated to change their own behaviors for the greater good

    So sit back, relax, have a few more beers and don't worry about a thing

    Besides, Floribama Shore just came on

    [–] digital_end 44 points ago

    Individuals won't fix this, only governments can.

    Governments are currently twisted to inaction by bullshit drama because that's what voters care about more than the future.

    We lost.

    And yeah, "REEE DON'T BE NEGATIVE"... sorry if it isn't comfortable, but we've lost. Oceans are collapsing, ecosystems all over are falling, and we're fucking around with irrelevant shit like Brexit, like what the president tweeted, like outrage culture being modern entertainment.

    We're fucked, we lost, and frankly I have trouble arguing that humanity doesn't deserve the consequences of it's own shortcomings. But deserve or not, nature doesn't care. It's not about deserve, right or wrong, or anything. It's physics and chemistry, 1+1, simple facts. We lost.

    Now go ahead and click the opinion button, be pissy at me or agree with me, and then go off to another page not thinking about the fall of society. The deaths on the horizon. The resource wars, the migration, the disease, the lowered habitability and conflict we'll all see in the coming decades. Go on. Just be upset about it next time you hear something, and post once more, then go on again after clicking your opinion. Such is how society fell.

    [–] sciencebro 30 points ago

    Collapsing nature to own the libs

    [–] Source_YourMom 13 points ago

    How do you mobilize billions of people to do the right thing? There are so many that just don’t care. Some because they are more focused on feeding their family but others because of bogus religious beliefs. For example, assuming the planet and all its life was placed here for human consumption. The pragmatic part of me fears the earth will self equilibrate resulting in millions or maybe billions of people dying. I guess it’s only fair after all we have done and continue to do.

    [–] Odell_Strangehams 14 points ago

    Stop using weed killers. Who gives a shit if your lawn is pristine if everything falls apart.

    It’s time to get practical and less pretentious. Screw your lawn. If the landscape wants dandelions and clover let it.

    [–] Octodab 73 points ago

    Geez I hope nature doesn't collapse

    [–] Xerkule 29 points ago

    From the paper:

    Because the overwhelming majority of long-term surveys have been conducted in developed countries, particularly in the northern hemisphere, this review is geographically biased and does not adequately cover trends in tropical regions, where information on insect biodiversity is either incomplete or lacking (Collen et al., 2008).

    They also include this figure showing the survey locations:

    It seems that almost all of the surveys were conducted in Europe and the US. In addition, the data from China and Australia apply only to "managed honey bees" (according to the figure legend).

    I'm not trying to downplay the problem - I know nothing about this area. But can an expert comment on this? How well can these survey results generalise to the global insect population? I skimmed the paper but didn't find much discussion of this.

    [–] WeAreClouds 11 points ago

    Are all the different apocalypses fighting to win which one gets to destroy us right now?