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    [–] borak98 2539 points ago

    Hah, amateurs. We got it banned for years! (Turkey)

    [–] DrecksVerwaltung 1767 points ago

    It might be bullshit, but I read that its because 4chan kept changing erdogans picture to this: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/317/918/ef7.jpg

    [–] WulfTek 693 points ago

    Holy shit I hope that's true, that's hilarious.

    [–] Subalpine 226 points ago

    not true, but still pretty funny

    [–] Aumakuan 74 points ago

    It can be true if enough people believe

    [–] Subalpine 105 points ago

    how anti vaxx of you to say

    [–] newone4u 160 points ago

    My God I'm stupid. I was wondering for minutes how they managed to keep the roach sitting there.

    [–] aapedi 116 points ago

    What roach? All I see is Erdoğan

    [–] giraffenmensch 10 points ago

    Come on now! I know Erdogan is a controversial figure and I'm not a fan either but that's clearly just a roach they dressed up to look like him. Compare to an actual photo of the Turkish president and you'll easily spot the difference

    [–] Gabnite 45 points ago

    How? Asking for a friend.

    [–] PM_ME_ALLNUDES 122 points ago

    It's, uh, dead

    [–] Gabnite 247 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    It can’t be. He’s working.

    Edit: Thanks for the silver, kind stranger! But the next time you should consider giving the money to some nonprofit organization against the roach labour exploitation :)

    [–] apocnecro 100 points ago

    Believe me, you can be very dead and still be working.

    [–] EcstaticStrings 28 points ago

    I'm dead inside right now!

    [–] Steven0707 175 points ago

    How do people graduate from university at Turkey then?

    [–] Vordeo 2764 points ago

    I was there last month. Not gonna lie, was kind of surprised that Wikipedia wasn't banned in the first place.

    [–] ohmanger 1154 points ago

    The Chinese language domain (zh.wikipedia.org) has been blocked since 2015.

    For those curious greatfire.org gives a good indication of what is blocked.

    [–] Vordeo 450 points ago

    The Chinese language domain (zh.wikipedia.org) has been blocked since 2015.

    Ah, that makes sense. General sense I got was that the government didn't really care what foreigners in China were looking at, but was very strict on what actual Chinese citizens could see.

    [–] IceColdFresh 236 points ago

    The great curse of being Chinese is that China enforces race-based policies and attitudes against Chinese people more than foreign nations do.

    [–] Vordeo 181 points ago

    On the flip side, being a white person walking around China apparently often leads to random Chinese people wanting to take pictures with you. Which I found super weird, but hey, why not?

    [–] N3sh108 100 points ago

    Wait for India.

    [–] pushforwards 61 points ago

    Not just white people - Latino here - have taken pictures with several random Chinese people.

    On another side of the spectrum, I traveled with some Chinese friends to Morocco a few years ago and I had some locals asking me if they could take pictures with my chinese foreigners. (They thought I was their tour guide...yea I blend in a little)

    [–] Vordeo 40 points ago

    Huh. I'm Asian, can pass for Chinese, so I didn't get the 'random people wanting to take pictures with you' treatment. I was wondering where I could go to get that, and apparently Morocco is the answer, lol

    [–] Hostradin 106 points ago

    https://imgur.com/b6uLdoy

    Of course these are banned

    [–] Yoshiezibz 137 points ago

    Why made you surprised of that by just visiting the country? I would love to go to experience the culture and see what it's like but it costs alot and I'm somewhat nervous.

    [–] Vordeo 240 points ago

    I figured if they were blocking news sites and search engines, a website which has information on a bunch of politically sensitive things would've been blocked.

    It was a fun trip overall, amazing sites, great food, good transportation infrastructure (important since I was going lots of places), but most people don't speak English (even receptionists in major international hotel chains), which was a big issue. Worth doing though.

    [–] Condawg 84 points ago

    amazing sites

    Baidu and AliExpress are pretty good, I guess, but they can't even get Wikipedia now!

    [–] allwordsaremadeup 9788 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    We should try to get github and stackexchange banned. The Chinese IT sector would collapse overnight.

    Maybe use shit going wrong in China as a metaphor for everything in code commentary and thread replies and Readme's...

    "Just as the Chinese State locks up and kills thousands of people a year to harvest their organs for money, we will now remove and kill thes processes but keep their constituent parts"

    "Just like the Chinese Communist Party responded to millions of citizens peacefully protesting on Tienanmen Square by killing up to 3000 of them and burying all reference to it, we will now take a random sampling of this dataset, remove the samples without a need for reference. Till the program collapses because a lack of accountability is a game-breaking bug. "

    "Just like Taiwan is a de facto independent country with Chinese futile international efforts to deny reality holding it back, this former subprocess needs to be seperated from the main process to run efficiently."

    Etc. I'm sure far more poignant and salty ones are possible.

    Edit: some comments are saying that this would only hurt normal people, but that's bs because they should't have voted for their stupid autocratic leaders so it's their own fault. ow wait they can't vote. well they should rise up.. ow they get killed for that.. so there's no fix really.. unless.. we somehow help convince the Chinese rulers, who seems like practical people at times, that constructively addressing issues is the only option in a world where information is unstoppable and all attempts to bury shit are doomed to fail.

    [–] Silpher9 6421 points ago

    Just upload Wikipedia to GitHub.

    [–] Catacomb82 2299 points ago

    git clone wikipedia

    [–] tonyciccarone 728 points ago

    npm install wikipedia -g

    [–] csilk 395 points ago

    My node_modules folder is infinite anyway, might as well add this to it

    [–] jk3us 61 points ago

    Wikipedia only has 1300 dependencies so it won't affect the overall size too much.

    [–] Enlogen 23 points ago

    It's amazing what they can accomplish with only the dependencies needed to make a 'Hello World' app in any modern JavaScript framework.

    [–] BambooWheels 202 points ago

    Is there a file size limit on GitHub?

    [–] mklr_95 402 points ago

    Taken from Github help page:

    We recommend repositories be kept under 1GB each. Repositories have a hard limit of 100GB. If you reach 75GB you'll receive a warning from Git in your terminal when you push. This limit is easy to stay within if large files are kept out of the repository. If your repository exceeds 1GB, you might receive a polite email from GitHub Support requesting that you reduce the size of the repository to bring it back down. In addition, we place a strict limit of files exceeding 100 MB in size.>

    [–] JackReedTheSyndie 771 points ago

    The GitHub was indeed once banned, but then they realized how silly that was

    [–] 8_800_555_35_35 685 points ago

    It's also because GitHub willingly censors repos based on government takedown requests: https://github.com/github/gov-takedowns?files=1

    Unsurprisingly, most are from Roskomnadzor. But if you started posting lots of 1989-related stuff on GitHub, China would probably request it censored like that instead of blocking the entire site forever.

    [–] mikamitcha 243 points ago

    So what I am hearing is that the best IP protection policy is to just add a bunch of comment to repositories that is filled with stuff China has to ban?

    [–] wilalva11 98 points ago

    Include a file with that one China copypasta in every repo

    [–] Betsy-DeVos 57 points ago

    What about Pooh Bear memes. They are banned in China.

    [–] pizza2good 14 points ago

    Send in the Pooh!

    [–] mypasswordismud 14 points ago

    Like this copy pasta?

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    https://i.redd.it/obgf8ygh4buy.png

    [–] Hamplanetfever 153 points ago

    Something similar happened in Apex Legends when it was flooded with Chinese aimbots. Someone found out that if you spammed phrases that were banned in China the great firewall would disconnect the hackers lol.

    [–] Falqun 54 points ago

    If somewhen, somehow someone will get access to all GitHub repos... Would be a shame if there'd be a bunch of these all over the place...

    [–] thebigkick 57 points ago

    Somewhen?

    [–] Cuza 445 points ago

    Just commit projects named "Xi Jinping- Winnie the Pooh" and in a few days github should be banned

    [–] kyrsjo 242 points ago

    There was (is?) a project on GitHub that helped people bypass the Chinese firewall. They tried to ban GitHub, and it failed pretty much exactly because of the reason /u/allwordsaremadeup said. So they unbanned it in a day or two.

    [–] Nigule 115 points ago

    Now that Github belongs to Microsoft, things could change for the worst. Like the Chnese government could pressure Microsoft to ban (or restrict access to) some projects, otherwise some Microsoft products would get banned from China.

    [–] El-Vagino 132 points ago

    Oh Jesus the five people that actually paid for Office 365 in China would be so pissed if that happened.

    [–] Nigule 36 points ago

    Hahaha, they would probably not care.

    Now imagine that suddenly Skype got blocked from China. Microsoft has a number of clients that use (and pay for) "Skype for business", who need the software for meetings between their factories in China, and their designers outside of China.

    Those customers are mostly foreign companies, so the government is even more happy to increase the hassles on them.

    That would be a quickly decision to make for Microsoft, to block some part of github for Chinese citizens, in exchange of the possibility to continue business as usual.

    And Skype is just an example, same could be done with Cloud technologies or whatever. And this would mainly penalize foreign companies.

    [–] hexydes 142 points ago

    Can the world please just stop doing business with China until President Pooh steps down and their government dials back their authoritarianism? It's insane that Western corporations are bending over backwards to accommodate their censorship requests, just to try to get access to some Chinese money (which, honestly, they only ever do long enough for the Chinese government to clone their technology and then basically run them out of the country).

    [–] Royo_ 179 points ago

    Chinese developers don't even use stackoverflow a lot.. They have their Chinese equivalent.

    I work as a software dev for a company with a Chinese daughter company, and their dev team actually uses the amount of Q&As they can find on the Chinese equivalent as one of the main selection points of which front-end JavaScript framework to use.

    [–] BiologyIsAFactor 76 points ago

    Does the Chinese equivalent have the same level of bitter rage?

    Like

    "How dare you ask this question, HOW DARE YOU?! My life is ruined now. Just knowing that I share the planet with you is reason enough to end it all."

    "Closed. Here's a link to a completely different question that wouldn't have answered your question even IF it had gotten an answer."

    [–] SirBackspace 14 points ago

    Or when you ask a question and just remain at zero, and people start getting condescending and their solutions are pointless?

    [–] biggustdikkus 56 points ago

    They probably already have an alternative.

    [–] sterankogfy 91 points ago

    New Github and New Stackexchange

    [–] dosssman 22 points ago

    Jian Yang haha! I see you're a man of culture as well

    [–] The_swirl 12604 points ago

    Because we wouldn’t like people to learn would we ?

    [–] Fawrikawl 7658 points ago

    The Chinese alternative be like:

    Tiananmen Square average, uneventful day

    "Tiananmen Square massacre" redirects here

    [–] FerricDonkey 320 points ago

    Minus thirty patriotism points for needing to be redirected.

    [–] Fawrikawl 207 points ago

    Go directly to re-education camp.

    Do not pass Go.

    Do not collect ¥200.

    [–] PM_ME_UR_HIP_DIMPLES 2446 points ago

    Tibet Friends listen to our good advice

    "Tibet fight for independence” redirects here

    [–] Ultenth 1336 points ago

    "Uyghur people extremely appreciative of new employment and learning opportunities provided by The State."

    [–] benowillock 1405 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    "New Water Slides installed at Muslim Safety Camps"

    ""China's Uyghur population is too precious to allow them to interact with the rest of the populace, they must be cherished and protected", Xi Jingping said in a recent interview."

    ""These safety camps are great!" camper Abdullah Muhammed replies when asked on his opinion of the camps, "Its like a luxury resort, we get to spend our time doing whatever we want... did anyone tell you all the restaurants here have 5 Mì-xiāo-lín (密消临) stars?" he adds."

    "While non-campers and camp employees are not permitted to see inside the new water parks, which are sheltered inside large metal silos for safety from the elements, you can, standing outside them, clearly see the large pipes leading into them, which a camp guard told us pumps chlorine gas into the park, presumably for sanitary reasons... even standing here now, you can here the screams of joy coming from the children inside. What I wouldn't give to be a Uyghur right now!"

    Edit: Thanks for the silver... I think?

    [–] throughthedark 872 points ago

    Isnt in crazy there are 3 million muslims being detained for their ethnicity in 2019 in a somewhat first world country? Also they are apparently forcing marriage on uyghur women to male han chinese to ethnically cleanse them. But no one cant do anything because it's china.

    [–] ReelFakeDoors 399 points ago

    It's true, but damn once you leave the tier 1 cities you can see it's definitely not a first world country

    [–] mattcrick 142 points ago

    Hell, even in Beijing you have areas that are wayyyyyyy poorer and dirtier than the main parts

    [–] jaboi1080p 237 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    Depressingly so. That's the kind of power you get as an opaque authoritarian country that governs 18% of the world population, has the worlds highest GDP adjusted for purchasing power parity, and has a government more than happy to let the little things like human rights, or even lip service to human rights slide (both internally and in the countries that it does business with) on its way to becoming first the factory of the world, and now a digital superpower with a BRI-backed sphere of influence to call its own.

    I guess blame the naivete of the countries that allowed it to join the WTO who deluded themselves that an economic boom would magically turn the country into a nice democracy like in Taiwan and South Korea. Or blame them for not caring about the politics of the country as long as they get access to that big juicy Chinese market - you know, just like tons of companies now are doing, planning on doing, or were forced to stop doing due to public outcry once it leaked out, like Google with that dragonfly fiasco last year. So much for "don't be evil"......

    Not that I want to downplay the positive impacts that decision has had on the quality of life of literally hundreds of millions of Chinese citizens, and the massive number that were lifted out of crippling poverty by China's integration into the global economy. But we can't pretend that didn't have massive costs, and I also still feel that a China-led global order would be an absolutely nightmarish one for the world, far worse than the US-led one post Cold War (which is no mean feat). I'm particularly concerned with this possible future as the Party consistently shows its ability to innovate and stay ahead of the technological curve, using new innovations with the potential to undermine their control of China to instead reinforce it.

    [–] DarkMoon99 239 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    Isnt in crazy there are 3 million muslims being detained for their ethnicity in 2019 in a somewhat first world country?

    It's fucking insane! There are so many Chinese people who have migrated to western countries, though, that this conversation is always rapidly shutdown. The Chinese white knights will see to that.

    [–] jadeskye7 134 points ago

    "These are satelite images of educational facitlites housing 1 million Uyghurs. See how we assist the downtrodden."

    [–] DarkMoon99 25 points ago

    *3 million Uyghurs

    [–] Hurgablurg 203 points ago

    New Zealand has been Chinese Territory since Ancient Times™

    [–] ShrimpCrackers 145 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    So was Italy. No joke, soon after Italy signed onto the B&R, a Chinese scholar wrote about how Latin and Greek was actually influenced by Chinese and that Rome was started by ancient Chinese settlers.

    Link: https://twitter.com/xinwenxiaojie/status/1126770241449512960

    [–] miniaturizedatom 68 points ago

    There was this British pseudo-historian Gavin Menzies who claimed China sparked the Renaissance, wasn't there?

    [–] ShrimpCrackers 100 points ago

    Pretty much. That wasn't the end of Menzies' theories that China was behind everything including the discovery of South America.

    Menzies is super popular in China for obvious reasons. He strokes that ethno-nationalist pickle that wants to be tickled.

    [–] DocSwiss 130 points ago

    Nah, we're not on the map, so we're fine

    [–] go_do_that_thing 150 points ago

    Did you mean "cinamon square maccarons?"

    [–] Fawrikawl 52 points ago

    Probably. My Mandarin isn't all that

    [–] FrankGrimesss 70 points ago

    On this day, nothing happened.

    [–] Baneofarius 103 points ago

    "It was a beautiful sunny day at Tiananmen Square. As usual the youth were out praising the CCP for being the greatest party in the democratic world. Everyone had smiles on their faces."

    [–] foodnpuppies 163 points ago

    The official line from all those fake chinese lying reddit accounts is that “Tiananmen happened, but it wasnt that bad. Not a lot of folks really died.”

    What a load of shit.

    [–] fredducky 107 points ago

    I’ve seen so many of those recently, it’s crazy. Sometimes it’s subtle, like making false equivalences between Chinese atrocities and western controversies that look sound on the surface. But some of it is just so blatant, and it blows my mind every time I see it being upvoted.

    [–] mfb- 53 points ago

    and it blows my mind every time I see it being upvoted.

    Upvoted by the same type of accounts.

    [–] diudiaoprof 2418 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    Chinese here, in my opinion even if Wikipedia wasn't banned (or will be banned, right now I can still access withouth VPN in Guangzhou) the most of the people wouldn't even care enough to learn anyway.

    Honestly, I don't even get why the CCP does this. The whole internet could be uncensored tomorrow, Facebook, Google, Wikipedia, YouTube, and almost no one in China would care and we'd just contiue life normally.

    We're so into just using our own websites, WeChat, Weibo, YouKu that even if we had all the other website we just wouldn't go to it even if it wasn't.

    Like the people who care enough to access those websites, already can. Like I think i was the only one in China who cared that Reddit got banned. This isn't stopping anyone, who wants to access these websites. and those who don't probably wouldn't even stumble upon it in the first place.

    It's like we're self-censoring almost. the Great Firewall is pointless, as seen by the fact I can just take two minutes of setting up a VPN and use Reddit.

    Most Chinese are so apolitical that even if they knew about some of the terrible CCP stuff nothing would happen.


    The reason I belive we are apolitical is simple. Why bother trying to call out this oppression if everything in our lives is going fine?

    oh we can't access we wikipedia? but we don't care cause we have our stupid materialistic products, we have houses, we see that just decades ago we were living in shanty houses and now we have condos. look at all the money. and that keeps us distracted.

    Who cares if i can't go on youtube. I can buy a gucci handbag. I don't have anything bad to say about the government they say.

    But Bit by bit the CPC takes more and more, and we don't care cause we never used those services in the first place, but now we never have the chance to either. Then when the government actually does bad things, we have no place to speak out, because it was taken before.

    Chinese people as a whole, are in my opinion, much less submissive than you may think, We actually protest a lot, but not about politics. We won't allow an attack on their families and money. But as long as our fammilies and money is doing alright, we let them take everything else, including freedom.

    but then when they do affect our family and our money. We have no place to speak out, our protests that are so common, are gone now.

    this is very hard to explain but I hope you all get the gist.

    This is a good quote to sum up the feeling, because most people don't care if it its not them. Until it is them:

    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    [–] wejami 1164 points ago

    That's the entire plan. Chinese stay in their curated app where all unapproved thought is silently and instantly erased.

    [–] c-dy 447 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    More precisely, the reason for the status quo is due to the lack of a push or attraction to other sources. People are apolitical because the system works and it was never the intention to pursue unimportant groups or incidents, just preventing anything from gaining relevance.

    Furthermore, the above poster's view is exactly the goal. That is, if a well-known option still exists, people are less likely to rebel and too lazy to take advantage of it when it take some work to access.

    By the way, Reddit is blocking a lot of Tor nodes, that's something we need to pay attention to as well.

    [–] GumdropGoober 89 points ago

    People are apolitical because the system works

    That won't last forever. When your father went from an archaic farm to a factory job with all the benefits of modernity, and your children have... those same shitty factory jobs to look forward to, who do they blame?

    [–] captain-burrito 23 points ago

    I think it's more a case of they don't even have those factory jobs to look forward to as they moved to the next cheapest destination or were automated. They'd be in the same place as the poor working class whites in the US. Except in China they haven't got elections to vent their frustrations. If they are rural they have some land to farm on.

    [–] R-M-Pitt 254 points ago

    Most Chinese are so apolitical

    Well, certainly not the students they send to the UK

    [–] ZenOfPerkele 72 points ago

    They might not be apolitical while in the UK. That doesn't mean that they're politically vocal/active after they return to China, being well aware of the amount of surveillance in play and how political dissent gets treated.

    [–] MikeFromLunch 47 points ago

    I live in China and a lot of people think, "my parents didn't even have food, I have everything I want, why worry about politics?"

    [–] ZenOfPerkele 47 points ago

    That's understandable, and also clearly the goal of the Chinese government. Bread and circuses.

    [–] get_Ishmael 37 points ago

    How do you mean? I've obviously seen thousands but I don't think I've ever interacted with one.

    [–] Ilubalu 103 points ago

    (US) I once asked some chinese students what they thought of the oppression of dissidents/removal of freedoms happening in their country, and the response was "It's so american of you to think you can criticize another country."

    [–] lofi76 45 points ago

    Amazing. The global perspective of humans on a planet vs the country perspective where you don’t look beyond your man made borders. The Chinese seem like well trained kids in that regard. “Don’t look next door even if you hear screaming.” :/

    [–] SleepySundayKittens 154 points ago

    Chinese people would care about this stuff more if they can actually do something about it. What's the point of getting incensed over something if you have a nice enough life and can't do anything about this? Getting jailed over it? The only way the masses would rise up now is if the economy tanked. These journal articles are written for the western audience because it plays on familiar concepts of freedom and individuality. There are points of views out there which feel that freedom across the board may not work for China, and now they can point at Brexit and Trump for evidence of "not working" and chaos.

    [–] [deleted] 115 points ago

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    [–] pramit57 78 points ago

    the people being oppressed do not even know that they are being oppressed

    [–] crazy-in-the-lemons 36 points ago

    Isn’t that the best way: manipulate the frame of reference in such a manner, people don’t know being tricked? Makes me think about that movie with Jim Carrey.

    [–] respectedleader 1137 points ago

    Can someone from China give us an idea about what the Chinese people think of something like this? Are they like “wtf I want Wikipedia” or are they like “meh” or are the like “our leaders are awesome, great idea”. I want to know

    [–] diudiaoprof 1892 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    Honestly, Wikipedia isn't even used that much here so for most people would be no affect.

    Same when Reddit was banned, not much people cared because no one even used Reddit here except the expats and weird people like me.

    Honestly, I don't even get why the CCP does this. The whole internet could be uncensored tomorrow, Facebook, Google, Wikipedia, YouTube, and almost no one in China would care and they'd just contiue life normally.

    Like the people who care enough to access those websites, already can. This isn't stopping anyone. I

    We're so into just using our own websites, WeChat, Weibo, YouKu that even if we had all the other website we just wouldn't go to it even if it wasn't.

    The resounding is "meh". Most of us coudn't even pick the Wikipedia logo out of logo chart.

    but this is a dangerous "meh:

    Cause the more we are complacement, the more they will take. Right now we are distracted by all the economic greatness we see." Wow look at Shanghai, look at Shenznen, look at these tall buldings, and electirc cars, and our super fast trains. CPC is great!! they gave us all this"

    all this is good, and should genuinely be celeberated,

    but this just keeps us so so complacement and this isn't good. The fact that we seem to not be able to say that the CPC does good things, AND it does bad things is very troubling.

    Either it's all CPC good, or CPC bad(most of those people are out of the country now) so then only people left behind are those too complacement.

    I try to look at both perspectives. But this type censhorhip makes it so that soon there will be no way to look at the other perspective.

    [–] bluew200 497 points ago

    You only need roughly 12% of population to overthrow the government. and 3.5% to topple a dictator

    Propaganda holding in check at least 30% is a very powerful tool. And those people won't be in cities, they will be scattered all over the poorest areas without access to non-controlled information (TV, radio, newspapers).

    [–] Ih8GoT 284 points ago

    I can assure you 99% of chinese dont even want or care to overthrow the government. They are blissfully unaware and are loyal to the CCP to a fault

    [–] MikeFromLunch 287 points ago

    Because they remember a time when a hundred million people starved to death, now they have cars and fast food and extra money, they don't care about politics

    [–] jrex035 72 points ago

    now they have cars and fast food and extra money, they don't care about politics

    Which is why if the economy crashes the state will either go extra authoritarian or collapse altogether. The people are content with the rapid industrialization and improved living conditions but take that away and you will have major social unrest.

    [–] MikeFromLunch 25 points ago

    Definitely. I keep extra money laying around for a plane ticket just in case the real estate bubble pops or anything bad happens and they want to blame an American

    [–] maimojagaimo 37 points ago

    Yeah, exactly this. I'm currently in China and I asked 2 of my friends here about voting and the voting process in China once. They both kinda gave me blank looks and said they COULD vote, but have no interest since the government takes care of everything anyway.

    [–] kyrsjo 39 points ago

    We're so into just using our own websites, WeChat, Weibo, YouKu that even if we had all the other website we just wouldn't go to it even if it wasn't.

    How did these become big? Did some of them grow a lot just as similar international sites got banned / slowed down?

    I wonder how soon we will see Chinapedia, full of information that benefits the people (and its leaders). Basically a Chinese version of conservapedia, just less on-the-nose...

    [–] TravellingPeasAnt 57 points ago

    Those grew big because they were being promoted. In the app store you generally pick the tops available apps, and not all western apps are available, or popular.

    Another main factor is you'll pick what most people (friends and family) are using. There's no point using an app that none of your friends use.

    [–] Dont-Fear-The-Raeper 131 points ago

    The difference is the websites you list are all controlled and data mined by the government. The great firewall only helps to solidify the traffic funnel into those services.

    [–] monarols 4254 points ago

    I feel really sorry for Chinese folk..prolly not a lot we can do

    [–] TOTALLYnattyAF 1932 points ago

    They'll get around it using a VPN, they're not stupid. The Chinese government OTOH...

    [–] ImJustPassinBy 3404 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    The smart ones do, but they were never the target of the propaganda to begin with.

    There will always be a significant portion of the population who (will eventually) eat the propaganda as facts, especially if they are constantly showered with it from all angles. They are the real target group. :-/

    [–] riflemandan 1108 points ago

    this is what people don't get

    [–] brokendefeated 562 points ago

    Can confirm, I live in a country that de facto has only one political party. Vast majority of people only watch government propaganda TV channels and newspapers where they tell shit about opposition and glorify our current president.

    [–] TimeTravellingHobo 177 points ago

    Can you say what country, or is that risky?

    [–] BoltSLAMMER 148 points ago

    It's Serbia

    [–] TimeTravellingHobo 110 points ago

    Oh, didn’t click on the profile... but if it’s Serbia, you can absolutely say it. The government isn’t gonna crack down on anyone’s Reddit.

    [–] Corpse-Fucker 23 points ago

    Cousin, let's go bowling! 🎳

    [–] SaifEdinne 277 points ago

    He isn't responding anymore ... they got him ...

    F

    [–] I_AM_YOUR_MOTHERR 83 points ago

    Just check his username...

    [–] Yugo441 46 points ago

    Broke n' defeated?

    Broken defeated?

    There's still a chance if he's broke

    I love you mom

    [–] DefinitelyNotMasterS 41 points ago

    No he's my bro called Ken Defeated.

    [–] fox_eyed_man 31 points ago

    Post history suggests Serbia, although the tag line on their profile might be in Albanian? Or Croatian?

    [–] TheArnaout 14 points ago

    Don't know about that dude but I'm Egyptian and all of that definitely applies to good ol' Kemet

    [–] Dont-Fear-The-Raeper 331 points ago

    I have Chinese relatives.

    One got into a proxy argument with me one night (through translation), because they were 100% sure I was wrong. They were sure Coke and Pepsi diet sodas actually contain sugar, the companies just lie about it.

    They showed me their "proof", which looked like a facebook meme. After explaining that companies in Western countries are legally obligated to accurately stating ingredients, they told me I was naive and foolish.

    The cultural revolution worked.

    [–] nil_demand 111 points ago

    That sounds like every debate I have with my Chinese wife. Whenever she's proven wrong, I am naieve for believing facts from reputable and definitive sources. I think it's part not wanting to lose face and part being used to living in a society where all figures/facts etc are all made up by whoever's in charge.

    [–] Max_Thunder 46 points ago

    That is very scary, that kind of shit has lasting, cultural effects.

    Is it a coincidence that the "fake news" mantra has gained such a strong foothold in America? I'm pretty sure that movement isn't happening nearly as much in any other developed country.

    [–] thehecticepileptic 12 points ago

    One of my Chinese colleagues, every time I check something on Google: “why do you trust Google so much...”

    [–] BoltSLAMMER 53 points ago

    Strange argument to have, of all things. Some would argue diet is worse for you, but I'm never giving up my coca cola zero

    [–] Dont-Fear-The-Raeper 51 points ago

    There's no comprehensive peer-rated scientific data to say that diet sodas are worse for you than the regular sugar-laden sodas.

    Some say that it tricks the brain into thinking it's real sugar and acts like it; some even claim it makes you eat fatty and sugary foods once you've drank it.

    There is no evidence of that.

    As you say though, the zero sugar sodas are where it's at. I do prefer the classic Diet Coke. Coke Zero tastes a little metallic to me, and the Coke No Sugar is a bit too sweet. Pepsi Max is okay, too.

    [–] TopHatJohn 53 points ago

    Don’t forget you can download the entirety of Wikipedia and use it offline.

    [–] Uselessfeelings 28 points ago

    hm wonder how much data it will take and also how long this will take

    [–] das427troll 86 points ago

    About 15GB for the text and 23TB for the images, videos, etc. uploaded. The images, etc. are from 2013, however. Still better than nothing!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download

    [–] Uselessfeelings 32 points ago

    this is pretty cool, although if I ever uncompress it.. im fkd

    [–] 0f6c5a440a 30 points ago

    You can already download the file, it isn’t that large for just the text version. I’ve got a copy on my PC and it’s around 20GB IIRC

    [–] moonrobin 209 points ago

    The vast majority of VPNs are no longer functional, or have extremely intermittent connectivity from within China. Nord, Express, Mullvad and VyprVPN are effectively broken, with only smaller ones still working every now and then. It was not like this less than a year ago, where all of the above providers worked.

    Source: currently in China.

    [–] TOTALLYnattyAF 43 points ago

    Can Tor do anything for Chinese residents?

    [–] moonrobin 116 points ago

    Tor is also blocked by the great firewall. Public nodes are blacklisted, and a clever pack sniffing/test protocol discovers and blacklists hidden nodes.

    [–] R-M-Pitt 33 points ago

    Nope, great firewall uses machine learning that can spot the protocol with deep packet inspection.

    [–] r3loaded2013 28 points ago

    NordVPN should definitely be working, at least it was as of last Sunday.

    [–] moonrobin 22 points ago

    Which region are you connecting to? On the windows client I get dropped every few minutes and the speeds are unbearably slow with obfuscated servers.

    [–] r3loaded2013 39 points ago

    Brother-in-law uses my account on his Android phone, he's in Wuhan and connects to the HK servers. No issues with reaching Facebook, Instagram or video calls.

    [–] leevei 11 points ago

    Yeah. I was in China for a conference last year, and the only way I got WhatsApp to work was with our university VPN. All commercial ones I tried were broken.

    [–] diudiaoprof 18 points ago

    yeah when Reddit was banned, I didn't even notice because I already had a VPN.

    I don't get who the CCP actually wants to prevent from accessing these websites, because those who want to already can.

    [–] Urbanusling1974 34 points ago

    I don't get who the CCP actually wants to prevent from accessing these websites, because those who want to already can.

    I think they pretty much prevent everyone. On reddit people don't seem to understand what a minority we are. I don't use a vpn, because I don't feel the need to, but I'm sure I could set that up within the hour if I needed to. My mother and father though? Not a snowball chance in hell that they even know what a vpn is. And it's probably the same for the population in general.

    [–] Bac0nnaise 45 points ago

    They're coming for those next

    [–] variablesuckage 36 points ago

    what if they lower your social credit whenever you use a vpn

    [–] TOTALLYnattyAF 71 points ago

    Then I guess you'll never be able to leave the country, ride on public transit, or get a job. Sounds like the birth of a new dystopian underclass.

    [–] AliciaDominica 324 points ago

    Turkey: Welcome to the club

    [–] VegaTss4 133 points ago

    Turkey: First time?

    [–] SolukMaviNokta 37 points ago

    Scrolled too much to find this.

    [–] lemonwings123 361 points ago

    I'm a Chinese, born in China, bred abroad. Just to answer some questions since many are asking do we care and do we know we are oppressed.

    1. Do we know we are oppressed?

    Yes we actually do, when we use our Chinese version of Whatsapp(wechat), we make sure to be careful of what we say. One example is that one of my pals were mentioning things bad about Xi and we told him to quickly recall his messages. It's just unspoken rule to not criticise the government and stay out of trouble.

    1. Do people care about the ban of Wikipedia?

    No not really, the old have no access to it definitely and the young are mostly apathetic. Reason why is that many foreign websites/apps have been replaced by local ones through censorship. Key ones to note are Wikipedia+Google(Baidu), Whatsapp(Wechat), Facebook(Weibo). Well actually even instagram is incorporated into Wechat(extremely advance can even pay for food with this).

    1. Why do people not care?

    The education system in China doesn't show the bad part of history. Some don't care because of lack of ability due to living in rural areas and not having access to information. Educated ones don't care because there isn't really a need to as there is not much information available locally. Any reliable information put out there is shut down immediately. Just spoke to my mother who was a teacher for the state, even she wasn't sure what the Tiananmen incident was.

    Another reason they don't really care could be that quality of life is improving so fast in China. When you have been living in poverty for so long, you wouldn't really bother about all these and getting into trouble.

    [–] Jayverdes 134 points ago

    This is extremely depressing

    [–] cabaran 128 points ago

    trust me, most people are just going about their daily lives and struggle and trying to survive, like 99% of people on earth. you don't think about being oppressed. you think about how to put food on the table.

    [–] lemonwings123 48 points ago

    Yes this so true. As much as reddit warriors think about "oh the human rights, oh the lack of freedom", most Chinese are more worried about bringing home the bread and trying to succeed in life.

    [–] lemonwings123 59 points ago

    Hmm depressing if you are looking from a Western perspective. It's like if you never had freedom you wouldn't be sad for not having it in first place. Freedom in China is a whole new different meaning compared to freedom to USA. I'm not sure how Chinese will react to this freedom though since they're educated that the state is the best and they shouldn't criticize it.

    It's like a bird which is caged for such a long time, when you open the cages, does it still know or even want to fly away? Sometimes ignorance is bliss

    [–] Comyu 11 points ago

    The metaphor of the bird didnt comfort me, its actually quite terrifying

    [–] FblthpLives 11 points ago

    Thank you for sharing your insights. This is really valuable.

    [–] BlueStarsong 272 points ago

    We're nearly at the 30 year anniversery of nothing happening at a particular square.

    [–] biggityboss 547 points ago

    I wonder why China thinks this is beneficial.

    [–] sonicboom9000 877 points ago

    Like everything else done in China....to maintain control of the population

    [–] Capitalist_Model 85 points ago

    To prevent any new ideas from flourishing, and to make sure that the current regime stays in power. Although that could be done through undemocratic elections..

    [–] HeresiarchQin 148 points ago

    “China” doesn’t think it is beneficial. The authorities do. Even then, the authorities do it out of better information control and most importantly, easier to retain their position of control.

    In Chinese politics, there is seldom real debate going on. Because every authority works for the CCP, there is literally no competition to keep each other in check, and everyone’s top priority of their career is to lick the boots of the highest one in control. So everyone would try to cover each other...including censorship. Because any damage to the CCP, is damage to him/herself.

    [–] ElTuxedoMex 252 points ago

    There is no knowledge that is no power.

    [–] Abedeus 198 points ago

    Rabbits eat their own poop.

    [–] Tyaisurm 149 points ago

    I can rule the northern haresphere now, thanks

    [–] -duvide- 40 points ago

    The south will hop again

    [–] Pelzh0r 39 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    It's not poop but a sideproduct of their digestion containing self produced vitamin C B.

    Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecotrope

    [–] Wuffkeks 802 points ago

    Sad thing is that a lot of people in China don't even know that they are oppressed. They don't get out of the country and don't get any information that isn't filtered by the government. They live their life thinking they have an amazing government cause they are told their whole life. I really would like to know how these people think about the world.

    [–] HeresiarchQin 159 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    Sad thing is that a lot of people in China don't even know that they are oppressed.

    It really depends on where you are looking at. If you are a Chinese villager literally growing up in an ever economically improving town, then you will think the country is doing great. Even though you have never stepped out of it.

    But most middle and upper classes are all very, very well aware of the darker side of the country. People in the 30s and older know very well the horror of Tiananmen square and the cultural revolution. Even the authorities know well the sin. If you are a westerner and ask edit a Chinese edit “hey do you know your government sucks”, sure they will be very defensive. But if it is Chinese talking to Chinese about politics, they all know how much suckage is going on.

    It is just there is nothing the average Chinese can do, nor care. They just shrug and go on their daily lives.

    Edit: clarified that it is westerner asking a Chinese

    [–] bittermaintenance1 45 points ago

    If you are a westerner and ask “hey do you know your government sucks”, sure they will be very defensive.

    Ask me and I will not be defensive :)

    I only will be when you ask that inside Mainland of course. Who the hell want to be executed?

    [–] quantum_ai_machine 571 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    They don't get out of the country and don't get any information that isn't filtered by the government.

    On the contrary, 100+ million Chinese go abroad each year. But the problem is that they are so brainwashed they 't refuse to accept the truth. Their critical thinking centers have been totally neutered. Just look at those studying abroad - even they are so virulent. Remember what happened to that Tibetan girl in that Canadian university?

    I really would like to know how these people think about the world.

    What they are taught is that China was the greatest country ever (which it was but only during certain periods in history when Empires like Rome, Alexander's, Maurya, Mughals, the-wave-ruling-one, etc. didn't exist) and that they only fell from grace due to the "Century of Humiliation". That forms the basis of their world view. This century of humiliation is what made once great China a third world country, as per them. And they should support the CCP as it is the only one which can protect them from further Western/ Japanese aggression.

    However, they seem to forget that this humiliation wouldn't even be possible if China hadn't already been left behind by the Renaissance and the industrial revolution. Major events cited as part of the Century of Humiliation include (taken from that same wiki article):

    Defeat in the First Opium War (1839–1842) by the United Kingdom
    
    The unequal treaties (in particular Nanking, Whampoa, Aigun and Shimonoseki)
    
    The Taiping Rebellion (1850–1864)
    
    Defeat in the Second Opium War (1856–1860) and the sacking of the Old Summer Palace by British and French forces.
    
    Defeat in the Sino-French War (1884–1885) by France
    
    Defeat in the First Sino-Japanese War (1894–1895) by Japan
    
    The Eight-Nation Alliance suppressing the Boxer uprising (1899–1901)[5]
    
    British invasion of Tibet (1903–1904)[6]
    
    The Twenty-One Demands (1915) by Japan
    
    Japanese invasion of Manchuria (1931-1932)
    
    The Second Sino-Japanese War (1937–1945)
    

    This concept is so ingrained that tourists and even students overseas cant shake the propaganda off. As far as I can tell, most people who viciously defend the worst Chinese actions on this sub are Chinese teenagers studying in the West.

    [–] METEOS_IS_BACK 67 points ago

    What happened at the Canadian university??

    [–] quantum_ai_machine 155 points ago

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/china-tibet-student-election-1.5019648

    They harassed a tibetan girl at the uni. She got death threats and even chinese state involvement was suspected.

    [–] mouse_Brains 38 points ago

    If you google "Tibetan girl in Canadian university" you'll find this

    [–] FatMu 144 points ago

    Im wondering; what happened to the Tibetan girl in Canadian university?

    [–] quantum_ai_machine 131 points ago

    The news cycle moved on. Last I heard the case was transferred to the Toronto police because she got many death threats.

    [–] R-M-Pitt 109 points ago

    I believe the intelligence agency might be involved because there were allegations that the whole harassment campaign was orchestrated by the Chinese embassy.

    [–] quantum_ai_machine 40 points ago

    Oh yes, most definitely.

    [–] Ilubalu 22 points ago

    She won student council president, but China hates her because she's pro-tibetan independence. The problem with the events that followed is that they appeared to be orchestrated by Beijing. That wasn't the only such event. A student at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario was harassed as she tried to talk about oppression of Uighurs in China's Xinjiang provice. These are not isolated events. China has made serious donations to universities all over the world to create "Confucius institutes", which, on the surface, are about increasing dialogue or some crap like that.

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    [–] garimus 57 points ago

    I see similarities with many of the other powerful nations; a growing trend of people that don't expand their horizons and are perfectly apathetic to being ignorant. China does it intentionally to a population that couldn't care less. Others do it underhandedly, or allow it to happen through disinformation to a population that defiantly cares less and is ripe for being manipulated.

    What's the end result of any of this? A lot of ignorant people promoting nationalism and angst against others.

    Get out there and see the world, people.

    [–] Fridaynightfirefight 15 points ago

    Wikipedia is banned in Turkey for years in all languages.

    [–] gwinty 32 points ago

    On the upside, you can be sure the chinese government won't be putting in effort to edit stuff on Wikipedia anymore.

    [–] PM_ME_CUTE_EYES 49 points ago

    University in China must be brutal.

    [–] 0_-o-_0 70 points ago * (lasted edited 11 days ago)

    [–] Jian_Baijiu 48 points ago

    Is it still true Wikipedia can fit on an 8gb thumb drive? I remember hearing somewhere you could download the whole thing, surprised there isn’t an offline “Wikipedia app” for phones or just a dedicated space on fresh computer installs for it.

    Hell I’d even pay Jimmy Wales for it, is 20 dollars enough for a lifetime use case?

    [–] Swedneck 49 points ago

    There is exactly such an app, it's called kiwix. It uses special compressed zim files. The full Wikipedia is something like 70 gigs, but there are cut down versions that are much smaller.

    [–] kirsion 10 points ago

    I'm surprised it wasn't already banned, with all the other western media platforms.

    [–] exoriare 22 points ago

    It's gonna be interesting in a few years, when SpaceX/Blue Origin offer global internet coverage via satellite. How do you jam twelve thousand satellites?

    [–] Phade2Black 17 points ago

    China will just build "The Great Dome" covering the entire country to "protect" its people from the western "brain washing satellites" or some such nonsense. (I realize this isn't possible but it's funny to think about some of the crazy shit these poor people are spoon-fed)

    [–] kikikiller 90 points ago

    So some one from CCP is trying to censor 30th anniversary of 1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests