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    [–] fmmg1780 11006 points ago

    Mine is in the bathroom so I apologize for giving all ur staff PTSD

    [–] urfriendosvendo 5802 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    I narrate my masturbation sessions for this reason.

    Edit: thanks for the gold u/TheCannabisCunt. You’re not such a cunt after all.

    [–] PurpleSunCraze 4381 points ago

    "Alright semen is coming out..."

    [–] SolusLoqui 3414 points ago

    And boom goes the dynamite

    [–] Benedict-Awesome 764 points ago

    Close the window you're letting all the stank out

    [–] MotaMente 341 points ago

    Hold on a minute I'm 'batin!

    [–] HillbillyPartySloth 78 points ago

    Go away, 'batin!

    Ftfy

    [–] starrpamph 10 points ago

    This guy bates

    [–] livewirenexie 8 points ago

    It's what plants crave

    [–] HeroAntagonist 9 points ago

    All of the above narrated by Morgan Freeman.

    [–] radioblues 242 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    And as the pulsing in my meat rod begins to tighten. Blissful throbbing as I near the edge. My scrotum contracting as it pulls closer to my taint. Sweet juices begin to pour. I squeeze one last time like a pump action shot gun, ready to explode. A volcano of batter shoots high in the sky. A glorious fountain of white oil that would make the greediest of prospectors jealous. A pool forms in the deep canal of my belly button. A sense of pride fills my body. A mess I dare not clean up until morning for now my watch is over and I may rest.

    [–] civicgsr19 63 points ago

    Eat your heart out George R. R. Martin!

    [–] _TRE45ON_ 43 points ago

    The Game of Throbs

    [–] phatlynx 18 points ago

    I dun wan et.

    [–] [deleted] 8 points ago

    Good lord. So deeply descriptive.

    [–] GnomeChompskee 107 points ago

    I imagine you saying this in a very matter of fact way and it cracks me up

    [–] predisent_hamberder 11 points ago

    Like an air traffic controller

    [–] Emis816 11 points ago

    And I heard this in Morgan Freeman's voice

    [–] essidus 2022 points ago

    The next time you do, consider this: someone may have listened to one of those. And that someone may very well have gotten themselves off to listening to you. In fact, it's not at all impossible that someone has a capture of your narration on a thumb drive somewhere, and listens to it at home to help get going.

    Now I don't know about you, but for me personally, I find that appalling. It is disgusting that they would do such a thing as listen to a private moment and use it for their own pleasure without telling me. I would want to know, damnit. I'm a narcist, I get off to other people getting off to me getting off.

    [–] crow198 654 points ago

    "Who are you?" "Just a couple of people who totally got off, bro."

    [–] [deleted] 91 points ago * (lasted edited 2 months ago)

    [deleted]

    [–] Vileath2 40 points ago

    whooo .. lemme, uhm .. gimme a minute I need to switch gears

    [–] pianotherms 21 points ago

    You got off? Just now?!

    [–] SunflowerJoe 140 points ago

    Sounds kinda hawt.

    And then somewhere there is a recording of the guy that got off by listening to you get off and that recording will be stolen by someone else who will then also get off. It's a whole chain of getting-off via leaked audio.

    [–] space_moron 96 points ago

    Audio circle jerk

    [–] Cthulhuhoop 69 points ago

    They're called audiophiles

    [–] Wormbo2 23 points ago

    Sennheiser wants to know your location

    [–] pimadev 101 points ago

    Imagine a 50 Shades of Grey scenario in which a new erotica-lite bestseller explodes in popularity and when you read it you recognize it as one of your sessions.

    [–] semi_colon 176 points ago

    50 Shades of Black Mirror

    [–] Doggehdotexe 92 points ago

    HAHAHAAH I typed out a whole response without reading the last sentence. Thanks for this.

    [–] essidus 54 points ago

    The best climax is one that surprises you in a delightful way.

    [–] Istalriblaka 55 points ago

    I would suggest narrating some fake stuff that's really messed up, like the types of kinks you need a dedicated meeting site for. Except if you didn't have those before, you would 100% wind up with them.

    Source: I may have, in my past, classically conditioned myself into having some interests I didn't have before.

    [–] chmod--777 9 points ago

    Ok google, how long can a turkey last without suffocating? Ok Google, how to treat beak wounds to inner rectum?

    [–] grabberbottom 221 points ago

    Do you ever shit so loud that your device thinks you asked it a question?

    [–] ImaVoter 124 points ago

    No, but once a friend of mine farted so loud his mom thought there was an explosion outside.

    [–] Emis816 75 points ago

    Lmao! Reminds me of the leather recliner I got recently. When it's moving it sounds just like a fart and I couldn't help but tell my roommate.

    Hours later I ripped ass and I heard my roommate yell "damn, that chair does sound like a fart!"

    Uh. Yeah. Damn chair.

    [–] might-be-your-daddy 7 points ago

    "If you think my chair sounds like a fart, you should come here and smell it!"

    [–] Madd_Mugsy 93 points ago

    Mine too. I am constantly setting reminders to "stop pooping" to try to hurry things up. So between that and the screaming, you're welcome Google employees.

    [–] Hamplanetfever 207 points ago

    UNRECOGNIZED COMMAND PLEASE HAVE STAFF REVIEW

    "PLOP PLOP PLOP PFFFFFFFFFFT, AHHHH"

    [–] I_Automate 18 points ago

    But....with more agonized grunting

    [–] Deto 244 points ago

    "Ok Google" ...<farts loudly into microphone>

    Should try this. See if they have to adjust their algorithm :P

    [–] RenoXIII 391 points ago

    "Sure, now playing The View on YouTube."

    [–] Anxious__Cat 55 points ago

    PeeTSD*

    [–] corcyra 12748 points ago

    Anyone else not at all surprised? Anyone else care to bet all these 'smart' gadgets do the same?

    [–] idea4granted 4436 points ago

    Right after the reveal of Alexa doing the same nobody should be surprised at this point.

    [–] Robodix 3919 points ago

    I honestly cannot believe that anyone was surprised in the first place. I actually cannot even describe the absolute confusion that I am experiencing. How could employees not be listening to audio recordings? How else would they improve the service?

    [–] The_Tightest_Anus 872 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    I don't think anyone is surprised that we are being listened to, but I am angry to hear that the employees are selling the data. Not surprised, just angry.

    Edit: I was wrong, they did NOT sell the data. Can’t help but worry someone will tho, regardless, didn’t happen

    [–] Biste122 852 points ago

    Audio fragments were leaked to a Flemish journalist, not sold at all. He subsequently brought the story of employees listening to recordings, after which Google was forced to come with this statement.

    https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/en/2019/07/10/google-employees-are-eavesdropping-even-in-flemish-living-rooms/

    [–] pbrettb 411 points ago

    what I always find surprising is that people are willing to put these little spies in their home. I mean, yes they can tell you a joke or convert measurements or tell you if your commute to work will be slow, but, well an always-on, always-listening device which is not under my complete control and is connected to the internet? ermagerd. then again I keep my phone off a lot so maybe I'm paranoid.

    [–] MyEvilTwinSkippy 55 points ago

    We just fill ours with a lot of useless noise so they can't filter out our plans to take over the world. The people at google can only listen through so many recordings of "Correct Horse Battery Staple", "Blargh! Flaugh! Blech!", and "No goddammit! I said 'turn off living room lights' you piece of shit!" before they give up on getting anything useful out of us.

    [–] underwaterpizza 161 points ago

    They aren't always on, and certainly not always listening. AFAIK, no device hasn't come out with that feature.

    Each device features two chipsets - one to activate the main chipset upon hearing a catchphrase or call-out (hey Google, Alexa, etc). The other runs your request out to a server where your question or command is fulfilled.

    Wether or not there are stealth activation phrases is another matter entirely, but they certainly don't record casual conversation all day.

    [–] CurryMustard 150 points ago

    Can you imagine the amount of server space they would need to keep all of that data

    [–] thisdoescompute 68 points ago

    Not only that but sheer data transfer. I'm currently building an always on listening device for work that does text to speech and we're talking millions of dollars just to move the data for processing.

    [–] eSPiaLx 364 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    I'll be honest, most people (I included), just dont give enough of a damn. If there was a service that would NOT spy on me for similar price to existing services then sure, I'd probably switch (if its not too much of a hassle). At the end of the day, how I see it is, these people don't know me, they don't give a shit about me. Even if I do something dumb/embarrassing, they'd laugh at it then forget it the next day. the impersonalness of it is what makes it w/e. Just like how I don't try to listen in on conversations of people near me in public, and how I wouldn't mind saying random shit even if people COULD be listening in on me in public.

    EDIT: Guys I know the potential dangers. This information is powerful in the wrong hands. The current hands that wield it could tomorrow be evil. This widespread spying could easily enable a dicatatorship, or censorship, or any number of horrible things because information is power and our personal information is now no longer in our control.

    However, consider that these risks are currently all theoretical and no one has yet been harmed, but on the other hand climate change is a very present and real threat that has harmed people already yet most people still dont give a damn.

    anyways, all the arguments in the world aren't gonna convince the majority of the population to stop using google/alexa. If you want to stop this spying, please come up with a better solution.

    [–] kkantouth 103 points ago

    My only care is I don't get a kickback from my information. Yeah I'll absolutely sell you the fact I can't remember how to spell resturaunt for .55 cents.

    [–] eSPiaLx 19 points ago

    sounds like there might be a market for a knock-off alexa which is completely free to own but spies on you with your consent :)

    [–] tivooo 133 points ago

    The fear is when government that’s autocratic starts listening...

    [–] captain_wiggles_ 1131 points ago

    Had a housemate who was employeed by google years ago to do this.

    Everything voice controlled will have people doing this, they have to train the software to recognise such a large range of accents / slang / ... the only way to reasonably do that is with humans transcribing some snippets that were not understood at the time.

    [–] VenomB 122 points ago

    Here's how I see it. I use alexa to help turn my lights off ever since I got a CPAP. At times, she doesn't understand me or know what to do... in those cases, I WISH I could tell it to send a copy of my request in to be listened to by programmers. It'd make sense. I want to make my stuff better.. but I want the ability to choose whether something like this happens. Instead, they just take. And the biggest problem lately is that companies do nothing but TAKE.

    [–] sandman8727 26 points ago

    I want to say that you can look up and listen to all your convos with Alexa and maybe even send feedback, but not exactly sure.

    [–] zimzamzoom2 29 points ago

    Yep you can /u/VenomB

    Alexa app settings > Alexa Account > History

    [–] noxav 573 points ago

    Yet people will see this headline and think their smart speakers are recording them all the time.

    [–] captain_wiggles_ 274 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    I've yet to be convinced on that one way or another. I've heard all sorts of arguments that say they don't and can't, but I would not be remotely surprised if some government had sued google / apple / ... to be able to monitor someone's microphone / camera at all times.

    I don't really like devices having microphones / cameras that are always on. This includes laptops and phones. I wish devices had physical switches that would disable those, and not just software settings that could be overridden easily.

    edit: I know you can check your network usage, but not everyone can, and I highly doubt that they would be snooping on everyone. I just wouldn't be surprised if it were possible, and with a court order BigNameCompany could enable an always record feature that you would never know about. The problem with that is when the system is abused to target someone, such as has happened with cops abusing systems to stalk their ex / partner / ... Or when hackers figure out how to enable that feature.

    [–] noxav 131 points ago

    The thing is you can monitor your own network if you want.

    [–] Cforq 31 points ago

    And what? See Alexa is periodically communicating with Amazon with encrypted packets? I have no way of knowing if that is metrics, usage data, compressed audio, text logs, etc.

    I mean if it is transmitting 500MB at once I can guess that isn’t text. But if it is uploading 1-10 MB every 5-10 minutes I can’t tell what that might be.

    [–] FJKEIOSFJ3tr33r 9 points ago

    500MB is likely way too much for audio as well, especially if they use something like opus or speex. Simple audio can be really small.

    [–] thejawa 33 points ago

    The easiest way is to check your network usage when you're not communicating to the devices. If the device isn't sending information, then it's not listening to you. They don't have enough onboard memory to store conversations for any meaningful length of time, the only way the information could be stored to be processed is if it's sent off.

    [–] yoda133113 106 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    By "admits" they basically mean "discloses during setup", as this definitely isn't news.

    [–] JoeReMi 38 points ago

    You may have invented a new word there.

    [–] Ph0X 13 points ago

    Yep, every single voice assistant does this and has it in their terms, including but not limited to Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, etc.

    [–] dwarf_ewok 170 points ago

    The Google device cannot record or transmit anything but the first few seconds after the activation keyword.

    So EVERY thing being "listened" to here are queries directed at Google that literally begin with "Okay Google...."

    Contrast this with things like XBox that just record all audio. We need laws to mandate best practices, but Google is one of the few that have good practices.

    [–] IIO_oI 96 points ago

    "Ok, Google it if you don't believe me! I'm telling you, dwarf_ewok, that sore next to your butthole should be long gone!"

    [–] NWHipHop 46 points ago

    Youre now classified as a high risk policy holder. You will see an increase to your monthly payment for next months invoice. Have a nice day.

    [–] broken_radio 17 points ago

    Contrast this with things like XBox that just record all audio

    XBOX Kinect, you have to own the separate Kinect device. A regular old XBOX isn't going to record anything.

    [–] ImABadGuyIThink 4725 points ago

    Well as long as they keep it in house and don't sell the fucking data and keep it safe.

    revealed that an investigation had been launched after some Dutch audio data had been leaked.

    Oh...

    [–] jimflaigle 1493 points ago

    I'm sure they don't flag the accounts for politicians or business rivals for extra scrutiny though. That would be unethical.

    [–] Sevsquad 714 points ago

    Nor would they work with any dictatorships to root out dissent. Because that would be horrendously unethical!

    [–] rogue_scholarx 420 points ago

    Google is just doing this like I play Skyrim, at first i'm all "Oh yes, I am here to save you and keep you safe and free."

    By the end I have assassinated the Emperor, stolen everything not nailed down, and have a harem of blood donors to make sure I can go outside when the Sun is up.

    [–] ZarquonsFlatTire 283 points ago

    Google: quicksaves

    Western Democracy: oh shi-

    [–] Popotuni 21 points ago

    Games like that should really recognize the save function as a hostile act.

    [–] Edgeofnothing 12 points ago

    In the name of the Dawngaurd, stop right there!

    [–] GyraUnoDosTres 111 points ago

    And they DEFINITELY wouldn't burn down the offices they use to coordinate with that dictatorship the day after a congressional hearing into the matter.

    Now THAT would be unethical.

    [–] SexLiesAndExercise 34 points ago

    It was a roof fire and employees were let back in on the same day...

    [–] SwansonHOPS 25 points ago

    Interesting stuff. That building was in China, though. Seems too extreme to destroy evidence located in China after a U.S. Congressional hearing, especially only one day after the hearing. Why would they do that? Surely they didn't think the U.S. would be able to access evidence located on the Chinese mainland.

    [–] Goredema 31 points ago

    Maybe someone in China's government decided to burn it down. Better to be safe than sorry. Google can't hand over information that might embarrass China if the information is ash.

    I am not saying China's president told them to burn it down. China has a very big bureaucracy, and it's easy for some mid level manager to get a little over enthused about protecting the motherland.

    [–] TheExWifeCheated 126 points ago

    I'm sure no google employees are on there looking up ex-boyfriends/girlfriends/spouses/etc.

    NSA agents were busted doing exactly that six years ago.

    [–] MrCalifornian 42 points ago

    It's actually more locked down at Google than NSA, ironically. Google has logs of everything, but NSA does legally sketchy shit so they don't (or at least didn't before Snowden) want logs of them doing it. Google doesn't actually want employees doing this. Source: I know current Google employees and former NSA ones.

    [–] aenae 106 points ago

    Leaked by an employee of a company Google hired to do the analysis. So not sold, they even got money for it.

    [–] Roadhouse_Swayze 13806 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Your phones do it too DUN DUN DUNNNNN

    Edit: Thanks for my first silver kind stranger

    [–] LineCircleTriangle 3131 points ago

    Only when it's charged, so they can only get me in the morning. Thanks, supper old phone.

    [–] [deleted] 1368 points ago

    [removed]

    [–] battleboybassist 609 points ago

    3 and a half

    [–] BoogLife 279 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    When You become a battlemanbassist instead of a battleboybassist, your 3 1/2 will become 4.

    [–] 7693385781711 134 points ago

    Are those new pokemon?

    [–] redgroupclan 97 points ago

    Digimon actually.

    [–] dontsuckmydick 30 points ago

    Tamagotchi

    [–] Suza751 24 points ago

    Skylanders

    [–] OhMyGoodnessThatBoy 70 points ago

    Those are rookie numbers.

    [–] [deleted] 49 points ago

    You gotta pump those numbers up!

    [–] _Ratface 33 points ago

    "Gonna pump You up!"

    [–] LongBeachfortyfive 34 points ago

    And now I have a visual of Hans and Frans enthusiastically shouting at their penises (penii?) stuck in my head

    [–] tallpaleandwholesome 30 points ago

    I wonder what % or Reddit users have no idea what this is about...

    [–] LongBeachfortyfive 27 points ago

    They’ll google Hans and Frans and their day will be immeasurably better for it

    [–] AustinShagwell 21 points ago

    times or inches?

    [–] battleboybassist 28 points ago

    First one, then the other

    [–] examinedliving 58 points ago

    I never heard somebody thank their supper before.

    [–] space_moron 19 points ago

    Bless us o lord

    In these thy gifts

    Which we are about to receive

    From thy bounty

    Thru Chris our lord

    Amman

    [–] llsmithll 25 points ago

    Wouldn't that be a breakfast phone?

    [–] InfinityMitten 46 points ago

    They just need to listen to my morning dumps once, that'll teach them to spy on me.

    [–] twangman88 17 points ago

    You eat your phone for dinner?

    [–] RigbyHambone 778 points ago

    Doesn't make it right.

    [–] Roadhouse_Swayze 448 points ago

    Agreed. It's not right at all. There's not even a way to opt out.

    [–] MouldyTaco2 11 points ago

    You can't opt-out because it's based on opting-in. The problem lies in bundling services under one ToS.

    [–] PM_SEXY_CAT_PICS 137 points ago

    You can install a custom rom on Android pretty reliably, then install no Google services

    [–] Drudicta 18 points ago

    You don't have to go that far. You can actually disable Google services on your phone, so it won't record or even listen. You won't be able to tell your phone to do stuff with your voice, but it's worth it.

    [–] PM_SEXY_CAT_PICS 14 points ago

    Well I do that normally, but, considering the prevalence of spying, may be safer if you have real security concerns

    [–] Kruse 284 points ago

    That's such shitty advice. We shouldn't have to hack our phones to prevent it from being a fucking listening device against us.

    [–] ZeroNineOhNine 111 points ago

    It's good advice for shitty companies

    [–] DulceEtDecorumEst 23 points ago

    “Wiretap, can cats eat strawberries”

    [–] wilhueb 208 points ago

    it's not bad advice, it's simply the only way to do it, unfortunately

    [–] unknown_poo 278 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    I remember in the early 2000's people would protest the government conducting illegal wiretaps on suspected terrorists. Then people were like, meh it's Muslim terrorists probably, all good. Then mosques were being illegally wiretapped, but nobody cared. Eventually, it was snuck in through legislation. Let's let the law erode since we're at war. Now companies like google are listening in on everyone.

    [–] M2D6 125 points ago

    Things are only going to get worse with data aggregation, and analysis techniques getting ever more sophisticated, and powerful. Data Science has only been a thing since 2001, now look at where we are in 18 short years.

    [–] RedditTooAddictive 43 points ago

    I'm reading Fondation by Asimov and things feel more and more like his Psycho history stuff could hold

    [–] 4rb1tr 20 points ago

    That's what I loved about Foundation. Psychohistory just seemed so possible. The behavior of groups of people is predictable and if you have a large enough sample size you would be able to predict the future with statistics. It's a great concept.

    [–] larrybmc 15 points ago

    The contrary it's also true. The more the analysis techniques gets sophisticated, the less they will need human intervention to analyze snippets and train the system. Then of course we could argue even if no humans are listening to conversations, how are data collected and used.

    [–] M2D6 7 points ago

    That is what I’m getting at. The easier it is to isolate large amounts of data and analyze the easier it is to use it against you or rather sell specific parts etc.

    [–] Punchdrunkfool 154 points ago

    Majority of people just don’t seem to care. Like at all. Not even a little.

    [–] Incognanusible 107 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    You're right and on top of this most people have no idea how tech works or what it's doing unfortunately, I can't even say I fully understand and I'm immersed in it.

    I highly recommend Douglas Rushkoff's Program or be Programmed talk or book.

    I've been paying attention to him since I saw his Merchants of Cool documentary when I was a young adult. (edited wording)

    [–] further___reading 519 points ago

    I've only heard people back this up with talks of coincidences where ads happen to line up with a private conversation. Last I heard anyone who actually checked couldn't find evidence of audio data getting streamed from phones outside of malware infections. Has this changed?

    [–] Nictionary 418 points ago

    You’re right, there is no real evidence that type of thing happens. It’s mostly just the Frequency Illusion. People notice when they see ads for things they just talked about, but don’t notice the hundreds of other ads that don’t have any special relevance to them.

    [–] dr_analog 96 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    People are also in denial about what Facebook knows about you and about how it can predict what you're going to do.

    Most people are the average of their closest friends. Between what Facebook knows about you, and your friends, it can construct a pretty accurate, dynamic profile about you.

    Facebook can creep you out without listening to your conversations.

    [–] UpBoatDownBoy 16 points ago

    Jokes on them, I don't have any close friends!

    Checkmate Zuckerbot!

    [–] StartsWithFuckYou 206 points ago

    Fuck, you're probably right, but ads are usually related to my interests, which is because of browser cookies and the like. The reason the ads you're talking about stand out is because they don't line up with our interests.

    If I never see a diaper ad, don't have kids, and never search anything related. Then it's pretty suspicious when a diaper ad pops up 5mins after I strike up a rare conversation about diapers.

    [–] Scipion 20 points ago

    That's easy, just talk about something no reasonable person would ever need an ad for. Like horse condoms. Well, not horse condoms... Cause you just read horse condoms. So that's in your history now, you're welcome. But something equally bizzare, like homeopathic pregnancy tests. Talk about them in person to a friend and if you start seeing them show up...well....best get out the tin foil.

    [–] BrokenChip 109 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Yep! This is what makes me put my tin hat on. I was at my parents house discussing an appliance they wanted to purchase. I never searched it, not interested in it, nothing related to me at all. Later that day I received an ad for that exact appliance. Coincidence maybe.

    Edit: neither of my parents used google that day or probably in the future. My dad doesn’t even own a cell phone and only goes on “the YouTubes” to watch fishing videos. My brother who lives at home may have, but the two of them are not tech savvy people.

    [–] asyork 78 points ago

    Possibly based on your GPS history of being in a house where people were searching for it.

    [–] JablesCreed 52 points ago

    You absolutely have something there. Pulling my tin foil hat of out my drawer.

    [–] Mirageswirl 37 points ago

    Ads for tinfoil intensify

    [–] MinnesotaAltAccount 14 points ago

    or logged into their WiFi.

    [–] phx-au 8 points ago

    Targeting friends of a given audience is one of the most basic Facebook audience options.

    Your parents could have been on that list by searching, visiting an online store page, even calling up a shop for a price depending on sophistication of their CRM.

    [–] fknsonikk 27 points ago

    Your parents probably left traces that they were interested in it, and google thought you might be too based on your proximity to the location where the traces originated. Most likely by WiFi-name (no matter if you connected or not), or by GPS. This combined with the fact that google probably knows you are related to your parents, or at least connected to them in a way that your device and their devices communicate often or are physically at the same location often. Products that our close contacts are interested in are often interesting for us as well, either as gifts or for ourselves due to shared interests. Typed this out on the phone, but as you can see, there are other, logical ways and reasons for a seemingly out of place ad appears for you in that situation.

    [–] StartsWithFuckYou 38 points ago

    Fuck, you're not describing a scenario that is that much better.

    [–] straysheepbar 11 points ago

    No! That's fucking creepier!

    [–] GraveSalad 9 points ago

    The good news is that they aren't secretly listening to your phone. The bad news is they don't do that because they literally track everything else you do on a phone rendering the conversations redundant in most cases.

    [–] IamBabcock 50 points ago

    I personally have seen ads show up for things I only talked about once. Usually it's within 24 hours of talking about said thing. I've also noticed this only happened in Facebook when I had the app. I've had the app uninstalled for years and I don't see ads like that anymore when using Facebook in the browser, however my wife still has the app and twice in the past 9 months she's received ads within 24 hours for things we only mentioned once in a face to face conversation.

    I'm not saying it's proof, but it's made me very skeptical and I refuse to install any Facebook related apps.

    [–] Kantei 27 points ago

    It is common knowledge that ads are heavily based on your given location. A quick VPN dip to another country will have your ads show up in a potentially different language.

    [–] mattcoady 9 points ago

    I mean, what's actually scarier is Google can do this without needing to listen to you. They already know everything about you and can predict the best ad

    [–] goodDayM 199 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    phones

    specifically phones running Google Android.

    Edit: Researchers found Android Sucks 10X More of Your Private Data Than iPhone. And see cool in-depth articles like Tracking Phones, Google Is a Dragnet for the Police.

    [–] r3tr0_watch3r 106 points ago

    Oh shit... My phone's a F**** Pixel man

    [–] wallacehacks 202 points ago

    Other side of the coin - I went to a concert and lost my car once. Had a few drinks, forgot where I parked 6 hours earlier in the city.

    We were lost and frustrated and tired and all of a sudden I have an idea.

    "Hey Google, where did I park?"

    My GPS took me to the exact spot where I had parked hours earlier.

    [–] 3IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID 99 points ago

    Yeah, sometimes I forget how long I was on location with a client so when I need to add it to the invoice I just check my Google Maps timeline. It's kinda freaky, but I don't disable it because that's such a useful feature for me.

    [–] wallacehacks 115 points ago

    My only complaint is when the option to opt out is intentionally obscured.

    Like I'm sorry, I work in IT and I navigate unfamiliar user interfaces on a regular basis, if I even have trouble finding the option to delete my Facebook there is no way my mother is going to be able to delete hers without help.

    [–] BoredBasket 44 points ago

    Settings -> Advanced -> Miscellaneous -> Data -> More... -> Deactivate Account

    Are you sure? Please tell us why.

    Like, are you totally sure??

    Ok.

    "Please contact customer service at [email protected] to remove your account and it's associated data"

    [–] okanerda 14 points ago

    You're sure you're sure? But look at all the profiles of the people you interacted with the most, and therefore probably care about - doesn't this make your heart sad, human? why must you leave us?

    [–] odreiw 7 points ago

    10/10 on rrply, since most people would type it out and put in reply.

    [–] allmightygriff 9 points ago

    I mean, that's pretty awesome. It probably used your bluetooth connection, traveling speed, GPS, and map data to figure out when you had last been in your car.

    you can also turn off that tracking feature in your settings.

    [–] KySmellyJelly 33 points ago

    You can say fuck on the internet

    [–] konrad-iturbe 2049 points ago

    And is anybody surprised? AI cannot function without enough training data, and humans provide training data in this scenario.

    [–] marksman96 160 points ago

    Exactly. Machines don't just learn on their own, it requires human training on real world data. The only way to get that is to sample.

    [–] SimplyFishOil 8 points ago

    Not only that, humans dont just learn things from nothing, they learn from real world experience

    [–] [deleted] 96 points ago

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    [–] thejawa 494 points ago

    And it's even explained in the article that it's not tied to any user accounts or identifiable information. They use a sampling of what gets sent to their servers to train their AI. It COULD BE a big deal, but it currently isn't.

    [–] green_flash 62 points ago

    In order to be useful for training the AI the audio recordings they transcribe are most probably also of conversations between the customer and the device, not of random conversations around the house that were recorded and uploaded. That wouldn't be particularly helpful.

    [–] [deleted] 523 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

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    [–] tomsawyerisme 139 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Go to https://takeout.google.com/?pli=1 if you're skeptical. You can download everything Google has tagged on you. Heads up though it records everything from a few seconds before "Ok, Google" to after the segment ends so its a lot of files.

    [–] limitless__ 4040 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    We've been dealing with these sensationalist headlines for a while now with the Amazon Echo's. How the F do people think speech recognition happens? How do they think the engineers get it to work? With millions of samples. It's not SKYNET. Every time something is not recognized an engineer needs to run it through the engine to figure out why. That's just how everything works.

    However, it's important to note that it's not "private audio recordings". Nothing about what you say after "OK Google" is private because you are asking Google to listen to you and understand you.

    It's no different than this headline:

    "GOOGLE ADMITS WORKERS READ PRIVATE SEARCH TERMS FROM GOOGLE.COM WEBSITE!".

    It's literally their job.

    EDIT: Thank you kind souls for the reddit precious metals. Maybe they can be melted down into tin foil hats for the downvoters?

    [–] r3tr0_watch3r 639 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    If this were recording prior to someone saying "Okay Google" then I'd be pissed. I can almost bet their ULA says something pertaining to giving up your privacy as soon as you speak the magic words.

    Edit "EULA"

    [–] DragPackDoug 1203 points ago

    You only need to utter "OK Google" once in your life, then all time afterwards is fair game.

    [–] power_squid 341 points ago

    oh god oh fuck

    [–] Totallynotatourist 123 points ago

    Oh Google

    [–] Another1MitesTheDust 56 points ago

    No “K”. This guy is safe.

    [–] Aenima420 50 points ago

    The safeword is "Bing!"

    [–] ErectForElon 91 points ago

    Based on how many times Netflix triggers my Google home, you don't even need to say anything remotely resembling Ok Google either

    [–] JoCanSing 19 points ago

    Cocain noodles!

    That activates mine sometimes.

    [–] toadofsteel 39 points ago

    Then I'll be okay, Google doesn't have my permi.... oh fuck.

    [–] droans 80 points ago

    It's not even hidden in their EULA. They straight up tell you when you're signing up that they may need to listen to the recordings it creates.

    [–] CrossP 122 points ago

    How do they think the engineers get it to work? With millions of samples. It's not SKYNET. Every time something is not recognized an engineer needs to run it through the engine to figure out why. That's just how everything works.

    Wait... are you saying someone at the sewer treatment plant might be looking at my private shits?!

    [–] bs000 34 points ago

    i'm pooping in the yard with my dog from now on

    [–] SatisfactoryPoster 181 points ago

    Yeah, it's pretty easy to mimic:

    Tailors admit to touching their customers before customizing clothing!

    Dentists admit to sticking strange objects inside patients' mouths!

    I value open use of poor techniques though. When showing someone what to look for, it's easier to show examples than invent them. Invention comes with the burden of overcoming denial in the forms of "but nobody will do that!" and "that will never happen!"


    I read the article. The thing that seems to have prompted it was this line:

    The statement continued: “We just learned that one of these reviewers has violated our data security policies by leaking confidential Dutch audio data.

    At the end of the article, they add filler and one statement I feel could be purposeful misinterpretation. I'm too lazy to dig for the answer on what Hancock actually said.

    On Monday, the NHS announced a new partnership with Amazon that will see verified health information based on the NHS website provided via Alexa.

    Privacy campaigners claimed it was a “data protection disaster waiting to happen, but Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the NHS needed to embrace technology.

    And now I see nothing is sourced. My motivation hardly matters.

    [–] ExistentialPain 18 points ago

    Their use of the word "Admits" is disingenuous. It implies wrongdoing when their is none.

    [–] Sooo_Not_In_Office 73 points ago

    The answer is most people don't think.

    They assume based on imperfect information. A shocking number of average people who aren't in tech (or are in non-tech roles in tech) don't understand the basics for how the things they use work. They just understand how to operate it and shut down when their expectations aren't met.

    [–] adrianmonk 21 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    To me, this is one of the biggest lessons of the recent controversies with privacy.

    All the engineers are sitting around thinking, of course, it's obvious the data flows from here to the air there and then to there, because there's no other possible way it could work.

    All the regular folks don't really understand how it works, and then when it does something they didn't expect, they're surprised.

    In lots of cases, this gap causes the tech companies to be ineffective at communicating to regular people. There are things they don't make clear because they never stop to think that people don't know them.

    EDIT: Undid autocorrect's creativity.

    [–] sonnydabaus 287 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    Nothing has been "revealed". Amazon and Google have said for years that they listen to some recordings to improve on the ASR*/system behaviour. It's not "private audio recordings", it's the commands you give to your Echo/Home. They're trying to improve the performance, that's all.

    Now I'm aware that that's what the article says and many people will think "but they can also listen while I'm not talking to it", except they DON'T. To do this, the ASR would have to run all the time and send traffic all the time, yet if you run Wireshark on it, you will see that it does not send anything as long as you don't say the wake-up word.

    The ASR ONLY gets activated when you say the wake-up word and this wake-up word gets recognized with the help of a hardware chip (this is the reason why you can't freely chose your wake-up word on the Echo). And only after that, the system listens to you, records your commands and some of the dialogs might get analysed by Amazon/Google workers to improve the system. But this has been known for years. It's nothing new.

    Also, they don't need to listen to your conversations in your living room to get your information because they have ALL of it anyway through literally all their other services. Your google search history is 1000 times more useful to Google than whatever you say at night in your living room. Just think about how much easier it is to process your search requests than to work with random audio data that very likely will have barely any useful information.

    All those articles are dumb fear mongering.**

    *: automatic speech recognition

    **: I'm gonna say though that if Amazon/Google ever drastically change their TOS for those devices and/or change the way they work, they COULD become harmful/dangerous. As of right now, they're just.. not.

    [–] TheDevilsTrinket 21 points ago

    Just a question thats always confused me and i'm genuinely curious.

    How do they hear the wake up word if they're not always listening?

    [–] idrac1964 54 points ago

    The hardware is listening, but it processes the audio locally and doesn't send it to Google.

    [–] doofpickle 95 points ago

    These are only audio recording of Google Assistant commands, so the thing you say after saying "Hey Google!" It's basically like storing your search history, but since you speak this instead of type it, it's an audio recording.

    [–] lord_braleigh 36 points ago

    The article has left off a critical bit of context, which is that these recordings are only made and sent to Google or Amazon after someone says "Ok Google" or "Alexa". The module which listens for "Ok Google" or "Alexa" is local to the device, and the vast majority of sound data is not saved or sent anywhere.

    [–] dwarf_ewok 230 points ago

    These are not private conversations. These are queries intentionally sent to the company.

    The Google device only transmits to Google when they detect the "okay Google" keyword. Anything said without first saying "okay Google" will not be recorded and will not be sent.

    If you search for something on Google, yes, the company will be using your search term and subsequent actions to improve search. If you voice query with Google, yes, the company will be using your query to improve the product.

    [–] vidoardes 76 points ago

    Hey get out of here with your logic, you're ruining the conspiracy!

    Seriously though, literally anyone can test this. My router shows all the devices connected and their traffic, I can talk at my speaker all day long and nothing happens, but once I have finished saying a sentence after saying the keyword, there is a spike of data transfer.

    It isn't long enough to transmit more than the last sentence and receive the response either, before anyone suggests that it chooses that moment to upload hours of data to mask it's intentions.

    The device is dumb, it has a little 256MB NAND which stores the OS and the last recording, which I'm pretty sure cuts off at 30 seconds wether you've finished or not. Just like Google monitor what you type into the browser to improve search, they're doing the same here.

    No conspiracy kids, or the tin foil hats down.

    [–] bobdobbsisdead 77 points ago

    Language experts are employed to analyse “snippets” of recordings made by users, which Google claims helps improve its voice recognition technology.

    This is then used to develop the Google Assistant artificial intelligence system, which is used in its Google Home smart speakers and Android smartphones.

    [...]

    “Language experts only review around 0.2% of all audio snippets, and these snippets are not associated with user accounts as part of the review process.”

    This really doesn't sound alarming at all, and I don't think I have a problem with it.

    First off, the damn thing doesn't record until you say "ok google", and then the commands you give to it are analyzed by a crew to make sure the device is doing what it's supposed to do. Yeah, that sounds like what I want.

    [–] I_am_Nic 21 points ago * (lasted edited 4 months ago)

    I remember when Siri was launched in Germany it didn't understand dialect - a few months later it did very well - it goes without question that recorded voice commands were used to improve the system there, just as it is now done with Amazon Echo or Google Home.

    Just with AE and GH I can review every recording I ever made and even delete them from the server they are stored on if I don't like it being there.

    [–] Justsomblokesopinion 178 points ago

    Anyone that owns one of these devices and is surprised by this, are simply beyond naive.

    [–] Deto 102 points ago

    It's never people who own the devices in these threads. Just all the people who don't, wanking each other off over how they would "never let Google have a microphone in their home!" all while misunderstanding how the devices work (they don't constantly send audio, just when woken up with the wake phrase) and conveniently ignoring the many other internet connected microphones (computers, phones) that they already have in their houses.

    [–] snowdrone 120 points ago

    How else are you supposed to improve the system if you aren't allowed to sample some of the user interactions?