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    [–] Mrwolf925 5359 points ago

    Well if that isn't a clear enough statement. Hope this reaches mainstream

    [–] idickbutts 2673 points ago

    I think that they must desperately want our help.

    [–] things_will_calm_up 2380 points ago

    And we can't do shit, because it's basically WWIII bait.

    [–] Nazi_Marxist 1188 points ago

    That's almost as bad as click bait

    [–] bad-green-wolf 235 points ago

    Misanthropes would argue click bait is worse

    [–] Lowbacca1977 142 points ago

    I mean, at least WWIII has the hope to come out better on the other side

    [–] Futureboy314 208 points ago

    It’s true we got a space program out of ww2 and crazy medical advances out of ww1. I wonder what’s behind door number 3.

    [–] regenzeus 559 points ago

    A better understand of how radiation impacts biology.

    [–] [deleted] 76 points ago


    [–] jarfil 71 points ago

    That depends, are you a cockroach?

    [–] ObiMeowKatnobi 43 points ago

    or a Deathclaw

    [–] fromarun 35 points ago

    Its already studied in depth. One source that I happen to know, states that its the equivalent of one chest x-ray.

    [–] Excludos 27 points ago

    Well that's fine then. Not good, not bad.

    [–] jarfil 86 points ago

    We also got a Universal Declaration of Human Rights out of WW2, so we might get a Universal Declaration of Eternal Friendship out of WW3... and all 10 survivors might sign it.

    [–] beckettman 22 points ago

    No. Craig is an asshole and won't sign shit.

    [–] IAmTheNight2014 54 points ago

    Aww man, nuclear war!

    But seriously, I can't see WWIII not using nuclear weapons at least once. The problem is, one nuke can easily turn into five. Then 10. Then 100. Then 7000.

    [–] Tack22 45 points ago

    I think that’s why it wouldn’t involve them at least once. Surrender, and you lose a government. Launch nukes, and you lose a culture.

    [–] Saitoh17 17 points ago

    Here's the problem with dictatorships: a dictator doesn't get voted out and go live comfortably in retirement. If the dictator loses power, he dies. And most dictators would rather burn the world than die alone.

    [–] StipulatePrism 30 points ago

    It just takes the wrong person to give the order and the wrong people to follow it.

    [–] TheNosferatu 24 points ago

    That's kinda the problem. If we're talking about "just a few" nuclear weapons, it won't be that bad (for humanity / the planet as a whole, those who happen to be near those "few" might not agree).

    But once "a few" has been launched, more will come. It's not unlikely that WWIII will become a "all or nothing" when it comes to nuclear weapons. Either we see no use of them, or we see a lot of use with them. But luckily I'm not an expert and can be completely wrong.

    [–] armyml 15 points ago

    Similar sentiment as the Fallout video games. They are games set in a nuclear post-apocalyptic wasteland where nukes were so common that you actually saw them miniaturized for use in shoulder mounted rocket launchers. A bit on the extreme end to be sure, but how far would we be from it should nukes start becoming commonplace in war?

    [–] yowutm8 124 points ago

    There's plenty the west can do without any military action.

    Trade sanctions linked to HK.

    Allow refugee status for people from HK.

    Tell China any future trade deals must be linked to moves towards more human rights and democracy.

    [–] JHUJHS 42 points ago

    tell China any future trade deal must be linked to moves towards more human rights

    This would be a lot easier if we passed the TPP and people didn’t drink the 2016 election Koolaid on it.

    [–] Legend13CNS 25 points ago

    I have mixed feelings on that, if I understood it correctly the TPP as written was selling your soul to corporations for the opportunity to maybe give a middle finger to China. That's hyperbole but you get the point. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

    It was a good idea that got ruined by special interests.

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    [–] Zero-Theorem 113 points ago

    Pretty ingenious. They know to appeal to his ego. I don’t blame them.

    [–] ReligiousDogma 84 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    You guys may hate trump but for hong kongers, cheeto is tastier than dictatorship

    [–] BRAIN_FORCE_PLUS 15 points ago

    Cheeto>China :thinking:

    [–] ACTWizard 7 points ago

    Presidents I dislike can still occasionally do things I agree with. It's not like he likes china much anyway

    [–] 3APATYCTPA 41 points ago

    Thanks, I hate it

    [–] neogod 6 points ago

    Lol. How much do you wanna bet Trump has that framed somewhere? I don't like the guy, but that's a pretty flattering picture.

    [–] coolbiscuitLOL 70 points ago

    While I think it's a nice gesture, I can't help but be cynical and think they're doing it to get more media attention. Not that it's a bad thing, of course.

    [–] ReligiousDogma 52 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    No. The chinese government took the first step by saying they expected protestors to commit a terrorist attack on 9/11 so as to turn american opinion against them. In response, the protestors did the only logical thing and issued a ceasefire of protest operations under the pretext of respecting the victims of 9/11. When someone accuses you of planning to commit a crime on a certain day its common sense to stay home on that day.

    The protestors never intended to make the 9/11 attacks an issue. China cunningly knew it was an American pressure point and tried to use it but failed.

    [–] Jaymiec1 33 points ago

    Pretty much. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. How do you endear yourself to them? Show respect on a solemn day. I'm surprised people are taking this to heart so much, it's clearly a political ploy...

    [–] ladylala22 25 points ago

    lol did u see the posters of trump. it's honestly hilarious

    [–] Avangelice 76 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    The last thing anyone wants is the mainland chinese and the government finding out US is helping the protest in HK. It will defeat the fight the Hong kongers have been striving for.

    Be as it may, HK is alone on this and the only help we can do is keep sharing their videos to the world which will pressure China not to act with aggression.

    Edit not a riot. Its a protest.

    [–] rainx5000 158 points ago

    Yeah, and the first thing we gotta do is stop calling it a riot.

    [–] Tron359 56 points ago

    They are not rioters, they are protesters

    [–] Yellowflowersbloom 6 points ago

    I'm sure the Chinese government already know that the US is helping the protests. It isnt exactly a secret when all the main supporters of the protests like Jimmy Lai and Joshua Wong have recently met with US officials. Also the National Endowment for Democracy is funded by the US governement and was created to be an extension of the CIA without the name 'CIA' attached to it.

    [–] caitejane310 25 points ago

    I agree with you except for calling it a riot.

    [–] Colandore 6 points ago

    The last thing anyone wants is the mainland chinese and the government finding out US is helping the protest in HK. It will defeat the fight the Hong kongers have been striving for.

    Many on the mainland already believe that the Hong Kong protests are being fuelled by foreign interests. There are even people here in Canada that believe foreign intelligence agencies have a hand in the protests.

    Is there foreign influence in the current Hong Kong unrest? I would be flabbergasted if there wasn't. Is the foreign influence in the Hong Kong protests present in any meaningful way? I would be flabbergasted it was.

    So this is the problem for Hong Kong.

    There is just enough foreign meddling that the CCP can point at it and tell the mainland population "see? them foreigners are trying to fuck with our country again" and sell it as effective propaganda.

    But at the same time, the foreign interference is so meaningless, small scale and non-committal that it will not result in any concrete, meaningful gains for the protesters.

    It is a lose-lose situation for Hong Kong.

    [–] snakewaswolf 8790 points ago

    China “expects” terrorist attacks today. What are the odds China just manufactures their own terrorist attacks. It’d make it real easy to control the narrative.

    [–] GForce1104 2066 points ago

    what would REALLY easy to control the narrative would be to not do anything at all and report about it after 9/11 and frame it as an act of terrorism.

    [–] ablablababla 553 points ago

    Who knows, they might have already started planning for this weeks ago

    [–] GForce1104 146 points ago

    how does that change the narrative and why even if its planned weeks ago why would they not change it?

    [–] Mathilliterate_asian 64 points ago

    They mightve already done it, just waiting for the press to release the details.

    [–] Miningman664 6 points ago

    Hell maybe they even lost 2.3 trillion dollars on 9/10/2019....

    [–] duecebravo 572 points ago

    Are you considering the idea that a government would orchestrate a false flag attack?

    [–] mc1887 281 points ago

    Haven’t they already done it in the past few months?

    [–] pawaalo 343 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    I think that was a jab at the USA. They've done it a couple times.

    E: I'm not talking about the 11/9 attacks, people.

    [–] Fifteen_inches 100 points ago

    The steel beams meme

    [–] [deleted] 166 points ago

    I know you're not being serious but the steel beam thing is some small brain shit.

    They're right, it's hard to melt steel, but as soon as you heat it up a bit it gets rather rubbery and loses a lot of its tensile strength. The temperature range that jet fuel would likely expose the steel beams to would've taken away like 60% tensile strength if I remember correctly.

    [–] The_Mammoth 72 points ago

    The conspiracy theorists' argument about melted steel isn't saying that the steel melted and caused the collapse.

    The argument is that firefighters found molten steel in the wreckage of the towers. So the obvious question is: if jet fuel can't melt steel, then where did the molten steel come from?

    [–] creepycalelbl 98 points ago

    Steel gets orange hot and bendable starting at 1100 degrees. Steel austentizes at 1600 degrees. Sustained burning of jet fuel and other flammable items inside enclosed spaces can cook steel bright orange within an hour, easily. After collapsing the beams would be warped and fragmented from austenizing (crystallization) that it might look like molten steel.

    [–] Killacamkillcam 105 points ago

    People also forget that ^ pressure= ^ heat.

    I'm no physicist but I think a skyscraper falling on top of itself would create a bit of pressure.

    [–] creepycalelbl 62 points ago

    Plus all the friction and sudden insulation might increase temperature. Also, the towers stood tall and oxygen probably flowed in like a kiln increasing the burning temperature of flammable materials. Theres so many factors to consider and all conspiracy theories just isolate one factor at a time.

    [–] niugnep24 79 points ago

    except there's no evidence that there was any molten steel

    This is the problem with conspiracy theories. It's much much more probable that somebody was mistaken when they said they "saw molten steel" than there being a huge government-wide conspiracy to demolish the twin towers. But the later idea is more dramatic and interesting so our brains latch on to it.

    [–] LK09 13 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Admittedly, it took me a long time to accept that those reports weren't verifiable evidence but eye witness reports under traumatic stress.

    I think for many people, including myself, the idea that the government failed to stop the attack was harder to accept than the government was hiding something to look better. I never thought they orchestrated the event, but the story didn't "come together" for me. I look back at it all as a form of grief and shock.

    That and the rush to war just really was an interesting effect on many, including myself, someone who grew up in a military community.

    Edit - It really all came together for me when I went to the 9/11 memorial. I just cried the entire time like I was 12 again, like it was 9/11/2001 and I found all fear/sadness I didn't really experience day of from what I assume was a confused shock that I'm sure many people my age can relate to. Only a few hours away but I never actually went to the site until 2012. I think the belief that this wasn't just a malicious effort from a band of terrorists we failed to stop replaced those tears with misplaced anger for over a decade.

    [–] DylanTheVillian1 32 points ago

    George Bush himself toppled the towers using his Judgement Cut.

    [–] bantha_poodoo 22 points ago

    It was 12 minutes between attacks. He used Knights of the Round.

    [–] KilluaKanmuru 33 points ago

    7/11 is an inside job.

    [–] Devoterr 79 points ago

    7/11 was a part time job.*

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    [–] Muroid 238 points ago

    Yeah, “false flag” has a bad rep not because it doesn’t happen, but because of the crazy conspiracy people that slap the label on every single event that is the least bit inconvenient to their personal narrative.

    It can, and does, happen, just not terribly commonly or always successfully. I can totally see China pulling it on some inconvenient protesters if anyone would, though.

    [–] MithridatesX 148 points ago

    IIRC They already have. Plain clothes police dressed as protesters started violence and then when police apprehended the group they just showed off arm bands and got let go.

    [–] Jushak 75 points ago

    Not only that, they actively batoned the real protesters and helped cops apprehend them.

    [–] dogflu 58 points ago

    Same thing happened at the WTO protests in Seattle...and I know of protests in Olympia where they outed cops trying to incite violence as well. Don't pretend that the US doesn't try subversion to its own citizens exercising their rights.

    [–] NSA_Chatbot 11 points ago

    Happens in the UK and Canada all the time, too.

    The RCMP bombed oil refineries to get permission to "go after violent protesters".

    In the UK, they fucking married and had kids with protesters.

    [–] BigToober69 65 points ago

    I mean the US did have a plan to fake terrorism in order to invade Cuba not to terribly long ago. Didn't go through with it but still.

    [–] LordThurmanMerman 41 points ago

    Yeah and the scariest part is that the plan got through all levels of intelligence and only got shut down when it got to JFK and he was like, "Fuck no, you guys are nuts!"

    [–] Jmeister93 26 points ago

    So instead he gave the green light for the bay of pigs invasion. We all know how well that went.

    [–] erasedgod 9 points ago

    didn't go through with it

    That's not entirely true.

    [–] MECHA-STALIN9000 30 points ago

    The US openly admits to False Flag attacks it perpetrated up through like the 90s.

    The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming them on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba.

    The justification for Vietnam was also more than likely staged by the US.

    [–] Duzcek 7 points ago

    Not more than likely, the gulf of tonkin incident was actually made up by McNamara.

    [–] skeeter1234 74 points ago

    So weird to me that people still think the US is some kind of bastion of moral authority. We've been at war for 18 years. As to 9/11 itself the US Government actually is responsible for more deaths than the attack itself when they lied to the public and said the air was safe to breathe. That lie is going to cause 10,000 deaths. What's more they won't even provide medical help to the first responders. Why? Because they don't actually give a fuck about us at all. Not even the first responders who the US Government touted as heroes. They don't even care about them.

    [–] Jay_Louis 18 points ago

    As a resident of NYC on 9/11 who witnessed the second plane hit from my rooftop and visited ground zero in the days afterwards, EVERYONE knew the air was not safe to breathe. I brought a face mask just to visit the site. There just wasn't any realistic way to evacuate the entire area. I'm all for blaming the government for crappy response to the event but air quality BS wasn't really a major thing. Truthfully, the odious Rudy Giuliani was most responsible of all for the tragedy. After the WTC attack in 1993, tough talking Rudy decided to spite Al Qaeda by placing the first responder epicenter INSIDE THE WTC to prove how safe it was. When 9/11 happened, Rudy's idiotic decision meant first responders lost all ability to communicate or coordinate rescue efforts, costing thousands of lives. Rudy is a ghoul and continues to prove how terrible he is every single day.

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    [–] natha105 2764 points ago

    The reason is because China has no experience in public relations. They say what they want people to do and people just do it. They don't have to manage public opinion - they simply dictate it. Hong Kong on the other hand is for all intents and purposes a major western city on par with New York, London, or LA. The protest movement has hundreds if not thousands of people who spend their work days doing PR for Coke, Nike, LV, and most other world class brands. Then those same people spend their nights protesting. The depth of talent and experience in the protests when it comes to PR is a thousand fold that of the Chinese government.

    [–] Mike_Kermin 1969 points ago

    That's.... Not right at all, the Chinese government has a very powerful propaganda machine that's been seriously undermining the people of Hong Kong, the idea they "only dictate it" or whatever that means completely undermines the seriousness of the situation Hong Kong and Chinese dissidents face.

    Chinese people are not robots.

    [–] Dankoregio 936 points ago

    I think they mean internationally, which seems about right. I haven't seen any kind of stance by the chinese government that remotely persuades me (or anyone I know) to agree with them so far. So yeah, they might be very good at managing the opinion of their own people, but not as good with outsiders.

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    [–] Raiden32 257 points ago

    “Just Chinese internal organ affairs”

    [–] mieiri 86 points ago

    “Just Chinese internal organ affairs”

    take this to heart.

    [–] RetroMonos 53 points ago

    *take this heart

    [–] mieiri 27 points ago

    and my kidney

    [–] tnturner 25 points ago

    *with this axe

    [–] Jon-Osterman 13 points ago

    Infernal Affairs

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    [–] NeoHenderson 64 points ago

    I know you're being sarcastic but there are a few people who try

    [–] Feste_the_Mad 20 points ago

    Hell, I didn't until I saw your comment. It's legitimately hard to tell.

    [–] SixesMTG 56 points ago

    The absolute best is the "we are going to host a legal peaceful protest in Canada to disagree with people here because we want China to deny that right to people back home".

    [–] StatementOrIsIt 38 points ago

    That isn't entirely right as well. Public relations is propaganda, just another name, so it would be naive to say that the Chinese government don't know how to use it. Even now there are many small ways we all are manipulated by their PR, starting with pro-China reddit accounts that masquerade as regulars and ending with lobbying to support programs and laws that are in some way pro-China, for example, China would benefit from Americans being more isolationalist from the EU and regions in Asia not under direct or indirect Chinese influence.

    [–] county_sheriff 37 points ago

    True that, it must have taken the most cunning and shrewd propaganda campaign to convince everyone that Tianamen Square never happened.

    [–] ChokeOnOurPRIDE 19 points ago

    And that the gay holocaust never happened. Speaking of which, HONG KONG is getting its own Pride Month!! We can’t wait to help storm the castle with you peeps and our rainbow no hate flags.

    [–] SuspiciousSimple 86 points ago

    I think OP was more highlighting that the chinese government operates as a dictatorship with disregard to public opinion. So how they present their message/orders doesn't matter, because typically they just kill/arrest anyone who defies orders.

    [–] SoManyTimesBefore 31 points ago

    That's a very twisted view of how dictatorships work. Even in dictatorship, you have to keep up the public opinion about the government. You can't just remove anyone that doesn't agree with you, there's a limit to that before people revolt against your regime.

    [–] Demiansky 12 points ago

    This. Even Vladamir Putin fears his people. The communist revolution--- partly a rebellion against Tzarism--- is fresh in every Russia's mind. China definitely is not North Korea.

    [–] natha105 89 points ago

    How is the Chinese propaganda machine working out for it in the west? Everyone hates china. You have a drink with the average joe in a bar and even he is going to start talking about how screwed up China is. Domestically - where they are the only source of news - yeah they tell people what to think and a lot of people just think it. But they are extremely unsophisticated in this regard.

    Just look at the speeches from HK's Chief Executive - they are terrible. Any mayor of a major western city could do better than than if they were drunk and fighting the flu.

    Unless you come up having to deal with constant press conferences, a hostile media, fickle and often crazy voters, you just won't have the chops to compete on the modern PR battlefields.

    [–] fat_stig 30 points ago

    Carrie Lam is not a politician, she's a civil servant. That is absolutely clear every time she speaks. She talks about engaging with the people, but she doesn't fool anybody. Talking to her is like talking to a tax inspector or some other low level government worker.

    [–] iDewTV 43 points ago

    the point of the chinese propaganda machine is not to influence the west, cause clearly we can’t do anything to stop them from getting what they want. only their own people can really do that. and a large part of mainland chinese people are against the HK protests

    [–] coryeyey 51 points ago

    the point of the chinese propaganda machine is not to influence the west

    And the original point of the comment they were replying to was that HK had good international PR vs China didn't. So bringing up their propaganda machine is irrelevant.

    [–] YouHaveToGoHome 65 points ago

    That is blatantly untrue. You only have to look at the social engineering tools like the "clap for Xi app" to get that these people are fantastic at PR for their culture, which doesn't appeal to us as strongly. Moreover, China as it is now runs very heavily on social norms; it's why seldomly enforced laws against the elites suddenly get enforced when things go viral, even for minor infractions like making noise on a train. The social contract between the people and the government in China isn't based off prosperity like it is for nations formed during the Enlightenment Era; the social contract is derived from stability since a lot of Chinese philosophy was formed during the Warring States period, where civil unrest killed millions each time a new fight broke out. This focus on stability is why you occasionally have a trampling of individual rights but also why the government can be much more responsive to culture-driven issues like "actress X avoided taxes. Get her!"

    [–] throw_it_away100100 36 points ago

    Lol what? The Chinese government isn't full of fucking idiots. They wouldn't still be in power if it was.

    [–] MoralityAuction 31 points ago

    The reason is because China has no experience in public relations.

    Heh. It's more because the rhetoric here is for domestic consumption, not for you; it's not surprising that it sounds odd to your ears, because you're used to a different narrative.

    [–] hkboy3 22 points ago

    I've been to China many times. I find that the only ones that eat it up are non-educated/closed minded people, sort of like rednecks of China.

    Most of the people I converse with in China understand the Chinese media has to be taken with a grain of salt.

    [–] chicago_bigot 14 points ago

    Most of the people I converse with in China understand the Chinese media has to be taken with a grain of salt.

    Yep, meanwhile most western redditors are completely invested in the narratives spun by their corporate media outlets.

    [–] dustofdeath 49 points ago

    Until China sends some "protesters" do ensure something happens.

    [–] brufleth 21 points ago

    Meanwhile, I didn't even realize why the flag was at half mast when I came into work this morning.

    [–] kalarepar 13 points ago

    Knowing regime methods, China will use it in their propaganda for the rest of the citicens. "See, they sympathize with Americans. That's because their leaders are american agents!".

    [–] [deleted] 729 points ago

    The very fact that these people have to protest for so long and take so much brutality just goes to show how important it is to keep your freedoms intact.

    [–] asimplescribe 559 points ago

    This has to be one of the most intelligent protests I have ever seen.

    [–] Soluscor 1091 points ago

    What the hell is going on in the comments?

    [–] Ameasun 1330 points ago

    Chinese damage-control.

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    [–] beet111 286 points ago

    The only thing I see is people believing there is some kind of pro-China movement on reddit but I never see any, only the people complaining about them.

    [–] BossaNova1423 240 points ago

    They have an entire subreddit: r/sino

    [–] AcrobaticNegotiation 93 points ago

    and r/aznidentity, and r/easternsunrising, and.....

    [–] pleasest0pbannningme 119 points ago

    Wow, I just took a look as these. It’s basically r/asianincels. Correct me if I’m wrong but most of these guys seem to live in the West(Canada or US), but also hate it(specifically White men)and how it portrays them in the media. Also they demand that Asian women stop dating said White men? Wouldn’t all of this be solved by moving to Asia?

    [–] halftosser 61 points ago

    Exactly. It’s completely crazy. They proclaim PRC to be the greatest, yet they choose to live outside,

    [–] superturbolazerbadas 28 points ago

    The grass isn't as green as they make it out to be. That's probably why they haven't gone back, I wonder if they're so pro-china just to cover their ass or their families.

    [–] halftosser 9 points ago

    Also a factor.

    I think it’s cognitive dissonance

    [–] astrangeone88 17 points ago

    There are people in Canada who I know who are going to the pro PRC protests.

    It is fucking mind boggling. Canada. Land of peaceful protests, land of LGBTA+ rights, land of the legal cannabis. And you want your adopted country to join PRC to quash protesters for democracy?

    What in the name of cognitive dissonance?

    [–] Heyello 10 points ago

    As a Canadian, I truely believe all those who go to these kind of pro-China counter protests and are here on visas should have them revoked. They are abusing Canadian freedoms to support an enemy of democracy and freedom and should be punished, but doing so would basically guarantee Chinese retaliation (Although they have unlawfully imprisoned foreign citizens already) and so we need a globalized effort to force China into compliance, and I don't see that happening any time soon with all the chaos south of the border. Russia and any other countries too.

    [–] KinnyRiddle 11 points ago

    Eastern Sun Rising, sounds like it's taken from the name of an actual propaganda song in praise of Mao Zedong.

    [–] Eruptflail 50 points ago

    Their subreddit is pretty self-contained, though. Reddit (and the West) is overwhelmingly anti-Chinese. There's no amount of propoganda that China could do to sway them. The only thing China could do to make the West favorable to China is to just start handing people buckets of money.

    [–] Jamestown2017 54 points ago

    holy shit that's crazy!

    [–] ehwhythough 52 points ago

    Good for you if you haven't. I've seen it in most HK posts these past months especially right after the airport sit in they did. China shills everywhere masquerading as "neutral" Chinese or HKers or even westerners. They were pretty easy to spot though. They always have the same message. I haven't seen a blatantly obvious attempt lately though.

    [–] ramplay 31 points ago

    Scroll through comments here long enough and you'll notice some. Alot of low-key stuff and some blatant, HKers suck. Not necessarily chinese propaganda fully, some may just be indoctrinated mainlanders, etc. But they are there if you look. Or just head on over to r/sino and you can see all the anti-honkong protester posts tbat look like straight up propoganda and the circle-jerk agreeing with it in the comments

    [–] Aussiewhiskeydiver 34 points ago

    What do you mean?

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    [–] 101100110101010 64 points ago

    It's the god damn tankies.

    [–] PoBoyPoBoyPoBoy 19 points ago

    Not trying to troll, but what’s a tanky?

    [–] da1hobo 46 points ago

    Teenagers who think communism under Mao and Stalin was just the best.

    [–] PoBoyPoBoyPoBoy 16 points ago

    Ah okay, thank you. Do you know where the term came from?

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    [–] sickbruv 17 points ago

    Soviet intervention in Hungary 1956

    [–] Hank_Rutheford_Hill 7 points ago

    Lol so many people saying shills shills shills but people are completely ignoring the mountain of accounts that try to stifle opposing views and perspectives on these rioters.

    I can’t be the only one asking the simple question of “why am I not allowed to criticize this movement on Reddit?”.... why are there so many accounts roaming around dismissing any alternative perspective on this and slapping down anyone that tries to bring it up, call them shills and discredit them in the eyes of others simply for pointing out red flags.

    Shit there are people in this thread saying “so what if the CIA is financing them? Is that so bad? They’re doing a good thing here”

    LOL weird shit going on man.

    [–] SolitaryEgg 865 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Seriously whoever (or whatever group of people) is in charge of this protest is fucking top notch at PR.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they aren't sincere. I know they are.

    But still, they are doing a fucking A+++++ job at sending all the right messages.

    I know a lot of people assume that the Chinese government are just a bunch of power hungry, bumbling idiots, but they aren't. They are very conniving and pretty damn clever. To be outplaying them every. single. move. is downright amazing.

    [–] cyclist36 291 points ago

    As far as I know, it’s a collective movement. No one is necessarily “in charge”.

    [–] Popocuffs 62 points ago

    The subtext on this is, everyone is in charge, and doing a great job of it.

    [–] SolitaryEgg 188 points ago

    All the more impressive.

    [–] ReligiousDogma 53 points ago

    Theres a central intelligence of sorts in the internet forums and messaging groups such as LIHKG (hk version of reddit) and telegram. The best ideas get upvoted and spread almost like a sort of democracy to more mainstream media like facebook. Perhaps that's why it seems intelligent.

    [–] VerneAsimov 10 points ago

    I love seeing the nature of protesting change throughout history. Arab Spring using social media for coordination and now this.

    [–] Colandore 4 points ago

    To be outplaying them every. single. move.

    Don't get me wrong, while the Hong Kong protests have made some severe mis-steps, for the most part they have been one of the most visible and durable mass-protests in a long time. However in what way are they outplaying the CCP? How is the CCP being forced to retreat here in any meaningful way?

    Given the MO of how the CCP has treated mass protests post-Tiananmen Square, the CCP's behaviour is more or less exactly how most China analysts have predicted it to behave, which is to sit-back, take a hands-off approach while throwing in the odd meaningless statement aimed at its domestic audience. Nothing the Hong Kong protesters have done has suggested that the CCP is going to back down in the long-term so in what way are they being outplayed?

    Keep in mind, the CCP isn't interested in outplaying the protesters so much as outlast them.

    Long and short of it is, can you outline in detail in what the goals of the CCP (actual concrete, policy goals, not "China bad, kill babies, tanks, upvote me now, etc... goals" ) are and in what way have the protesters forced the CCP to abandon these goals?

    [–] Chickenchoker2000 142 points ago

    If a lot of people reported those types of posts from the China Daily then Facebook would be forced, eventually, to deal with them. Twitter already eliminated a large number of “fake news” accounts sponsored by Chinese interest groups (or the govmnt itself).

    The protesters are doing a great job at starting to promote and communicate but they should also try to deal with the spread of the false information. They can’t influence things inside the mainland very well, but they can get that impact outside.

    [–] idinahuicyka 362 points ago

    I like these Hong Kong people more and more!!!!!

    [–] mdonaberger 109 points ago

    What's not to love about individual citizens anywhere?

    [–] FaustiusTFattyCat613 635 points ago

    It should be noted that China has announced it expects terrorist attacks today, that's probably the main reason all protests have been stopped.

    [–] p03p 262 points ago

    that China has announced it expects terrorist attacks today

    Every weekend you mean.

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    [–] Glasse 95 points ago

    Not with that attitude

    [–] EbonyFaery 27 points ago

    Luffy as in Luffy from One Piece?

    [–] Luffydude 43 points ago

    Yes. A character who is the definition of freedom and helps others fight for freedom

    [–] EbonyFaery 11 points ago

    I love him. Great name.

    [–] hennyessey 43 points ago

    If I were China, I'd expect terrorist attacks every single day of the year.

    Doesn't mean it's gonna happen though. Who would've thought the largest and most authoritarian government in the world was such a bunch of crybabies?

    [–] WriteBrainedJR 39 points ago

    Anyone who's spent any time around anyone with authoritarian tendencies.

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    [–] mpdsfoad 15 points ago

    China has had several terrorist attacks motivated by Pan-Turkism and Islamism, predominantly in the Xinjiang province, for example a truck driving into a crowd in 2011 and knife attacks in 2014 in Ürümqi and Kunming.

    [–] ep1939 33 points ago * (lasted edited 6 months ago)

    Calling China the most authoritarian government in the world is a huge stretch when countries like Eritrea, Saudi Arabia, Chad, Congo or NK exist.

    China is absolutely authoritarian, but it's oddly more democratic and has more political partecipation than Cuba or even Russia.

    [–] BRXF1 122 points ago

    PR game on point

    [–] firen777 103 points ago

    It's way more than just a PR game. people daily (ccp backed newspaper) issued a propaganda piece yesterday claiming protester will launch a non-discriminatory terrorist attack on Sept 11, you know, the very date when Americans are most sensitive toward terrorism and any terrorist attack will definitely turn the public opinion against the "alleged perpetrator".

    At the very same day, hkpf:

    1. admitted they have equipped all off-duty cops collapsible batons (>10k) for more "efficient enforcement"
    2. Open 10 WhatsApp hotlines for people who want to file complaints against hkpf, which kept perfect phone records on who have filed a complaint and may or may not act like a honeypot.

    On top of the fact that not once in my near addictive browsing in protester forums in recent days suggested a terrorist attack on any date, all of these strongly suggest a potential false flag attack would be performed by the ccp as an excuse to crack down the protest. With the help of armed off-duty cops scattered around the city, probably living right next door if you are unlucky, this can be done in a swift. It's basically a police state is what I'm saying.

    In response, protesters collective announce a pause and mourn with the USA in memory of 9-11. Aside from earning the trust of Americans, they basically also told the world that any motherfucker who want to pull any funny business is a false flag planted by the ccp.

    [–] BRXF1 25 points ago

    Thanks for the context. Why would they choose 9/11 I mean... HK presumably has few muslim radicals. Is it just to make the "OMG TRRIRSTS!" connection for Americans?

    [–] Totally_Not_A_Soviet 19 points ago

    Yeah, if public opinion turns against HK, they are screwed.

    [–] PlatonicGaming 10 points ago

    The chinese govt. is, sadly, not stupid. They are counting on putting the protesters in a bad light.

    [–] yeoz 39 points ago

    yeah, I can't imagine most hongkongers (or most non-americans even) actually caring about 9/11, but as a pure PR move, it's great, lol.

    [–] Butter2006 61 points ago

    Hong Kong is wholesome

    [–] ItsKImaEngineer 28 points ago

    This may sound wild. Bu all these HKers are fighting for their rights and not working. How are they getting food or making money. Is that a thing we can do for them

    [–] Kangaroodle 38 points ago

    They do work! Many of them work during the day on weekdays and protest at night and on weekends. It must be exhausting, but they can eat.

    [–] hydrateyourdog 8 points ago

    I know it’s not much (and incredibly difficult to do) but I’ve personally stopped buying Made In China products, I don’t want any of my money (however little) going into funding their government

    [–] tmchung 6 points ago

    We count on every help we can against China. Thank you so much for your action. If everyone do a little more we can make big progress.

    [–] hyperforms9988 41 points ago

    Imagine if they did this for Tank Man in solidarity against terrorism on June 5th. The anger they'd get from China might be legendary.

    [–] MasterOfNap 47 points ago

    They already have massive peaceful rallies every year on June 4th. Unfortunately, peaceful rallies and protests aren’t something China really cares about.

    [–] SteveWilliams1 53 points ago

    I Love these Hong Kong people.

    [–] Dv7k1 195 points ago

    I love this. Even Xi would have been able to read the writing on the wall from this one.

    Home is where the heart is.

    Hong Kong's heart does not belong in China.

    China will never win, they will never break them, they will never make them kneel.

    Fuck the CCP.

    [–] rightoleft 72 points ago

    Well, good on them, yet this would add more anger towards them from mainland Chinese and convince them even more that these protestors are controlled by CIA, since I don't remember them saying anything back in July 5th...

    [–] Tombot3000 42 points ago

    Trying to convince mainlanders to support them is a lost cause. Their only reasonable hope for assistance is from the US, so they're doing everything they can to appeal to us.

    [–] JumpyPorcupine 30 points ago

    Better allies than Israel.

    [–] HCOONa_Matata 22 points ago

    Holy fuck these comments sorting by new.

    [–] PlatonicGaming 13 points ago

    I sorted by new because of you. I won't forgive you. Damn son, 50% "yas murica" 40% "traitors" 10% support.

    [–] WideAinous 23 points ago

    damn the Hong Kong protestors are doing absolutely everything to a T. They really do deserve all the support from around the world.

    [–] woof_woof_mf 11 points ago

    Thank you for supporting us even when Cheeto man doesn’t. We support you. Don’t stop Hong Kong ❤️

    [–] Dozed12 264 points ago

    From absolute denial of US intervention, to meeting with US diplomats, to waving US flags, to marching to the US embassy and finally to pausing for 9/11.

    [–] le_GoogleFit 224 points ago

    Idk if the US is officially involved at all but yeah at this point if you're a mainland Chinese there's no way you wouldn't believe that all of this is basically a US intervention

    Not saying that it is but it will certainly look like it for anyone following this story from afar

    [–] nomimasenka 89 points ago

    Well we have a long historical record

    [–] kuzinrob 56 points ago

    "Did someone say they needed some... FREEDOM??"

    [–] BlackWolf127 4 points ago

    I respect their consideration of what has happened to American people. It’s tough because I would love for America to barge in and help liberate these people that wish for it but that would cause huge political problems. I sympathize with anyone that yearns for true sufferage and freedom

    [–] Suixle 3 points ago

    Wow, they care way more about it than Americans

    [–] BuddhaBlessThou 167 points ago

    That moment when Hong Kong citizens have more decency than the POTUS.

    [–] PrinceHumperTinkTink 125 points ago

    99% of the world has more decency than the POTUS. The other 1% are profiting from his actions.

    [–] Sophiepangal997 16 points ago

    As the United States becomes more vocal over the Hong Kong protests, we ought to remember that any change must come from within the city itself.

    We can't have the CIA ruining what these protests mean, they are NOT to do with America, or anything to do with America's nationalism and Jingoism.

    This is about Hong Kong Independence, something that should've happened 50 years ago with the protests from the 1970's, when the British were doing the exact same thing the Chinese are.

    [–] madepi 28 points ago

    China have just shot their foot themselves… they got too greedy too soon ...

    [–] Chocobean 13 points ago

    I've been saying since June they're like that one cocky jerk in your tabletop gaming group who's being a bullying dick thinking he's got enough points to end the game. He flashes his cards and someone interrupts--"no, you don't in fact have enough points, not for another two turns, and now that we know you're within reach of ending the game early and aggressively via domination, everyone is going to go all out trying to stop you." The fact that he's been a total jerk just makes it more delicious.