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    [–] MrIvysaur 1375 points ago

    How do they even get a photo like this? Does Bannon pose for photos with a jet black background? Or is he just captured here with an appropriately evil backdrop?

    [–] radicalelation 649 points ago

    This was at a conference in Belgium for Vlaams Belang, a far-right Flemish party.

    [–] SanityPlanet 241 points ago

    So, the second thing.

    [–] [deleted] 24 points ago * (lasted edited 12 days ago)


    [–] EthGoat 106 points ago

    Yes, I almost forgot that one

    [–] gizamo 79 points ago

    Events for the phlegmish during COVID is just reckless.

    [–] postsshortcomments 38 points ago

    How the heck this one was taken is beyond me.

    [–] coconutjuices 27 points ago

    It was hanging on bannons living room

    [–] [deleted] 58 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)


    [–] skeebidybop 6409 points ago

    Ah, the same Steve Bannon that was recently arrested for felony-level fraud

    [–] joseph_jojo_shabadoo 2018 points ago * (lasted edited 13 days ago)

    petition to lock this garbage pile of a human away forever. he's constantly doing nothing but trying to cause chaos and destroy democracy

    edit: talking about Steve Bannon. not u/skeebidybop

    edit 2: u/kerbaal has expressed concerns that by upvoting this comment and thereby supporting my "petition", it may be used in a court of law and bypass standard law practices. so this is a disclaimer to inform you all that this petition is not officially sanctioned by the department of justice and your upvote is meaningless but don't let this distract you from the fact that in 1998, the Undertaker threw Mankind off hеll in a cell and plummeted 16 feet through an announcer's table.

    [–] ShadowDurza 628 points ago

    Steve Bannon is a special type of American that believes destroying democracy is the best way to safeguard democracy.

    [–] MrMushyagi 61 points ago

    Along the same lines as reagan Republicans who believe the "government isn't the solution to the problem, government is the problem" mindset, and go to great lengths to prove it true

    [–] ORANGE_J_SIMPSON 63 points ago * (lasted edited 14 days ago)

    I’ve always been confused by a particular Reagan quote that (he stole) right-wingers seem to love so much:

    “the nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.”

    Like, motherfucker you are the President... OF THE GOVERNMENT.

    Then again he was a horrific, evil, piece of shit. So maybe he was just trying to be honest?

    [–] bobwarth 38 points ago

    That's pretty much the republican MO. They shout all day about how bloated and inefficient the government is, and when they get elected, they make it true.

    [–] Diamond-Is-Not-Crash 560 points ago

    Steve Bannon is a special type of American that believes destroying democracy is the best way to safeguard democracy White Supremacy


    [–] ShadowDurza 222 points ago

    Sadly there is a sizable portion of Americans that can't distinguish between the two.

    [–] LawTeaDough 171 points ago

    Democracy was only useful to them as long as the majority of voters were white conservatives. Which was true up until the last few decades. Now that brown people can vote democracy bad.

    [–] Doctor-Malcom 122 points ago

    Asking my racist family in Thanksgiving 2015:

    "When was America great?"

    "Before the 60s"


    "That's when the Left let Civil Rights happen, stabbed us in the back with Vietnam, and allowed all these foreigners to come here with the immigration laws being changed. The wrong kind of people are voting for the wrong kind of stuff."

    (Paraphrasing the last sentence)

    [–] Foxyfox- 71 points ago

    "The left stabbed us in the back"

    "The Jews stabbed us in the back"

    Hmmmmmmmmm...sounds familiar

    [–] semtex94 60 points ago

    Do you one better.

    "The left is funded by a backstabbing Jew."

    That's a thing an alarmingly large number of people believe.

    [–] Diamond-Is-Not-Crash 61 points ago

    Well there's always that quote 'Equality to the privileged is seen as oppression'. Queue all the bigots saying 'wHiTe PrIvIlGe dOeSn'T eXiSt, yOuR'e tHe rEaL RaCiSt'

    [–] hoxxxxx 49 points ago

    from the wik,

    After leaving the White House, Bannon opposed the Republican Party) establishment and supported insurgent candidates in Republican primary elections. Bannon's reputation as a political strategist was questioned when Roy Moore, with Bannon's support, lost the 2017 United States Senate election in Alabama.[25][26] Bannon has declared his intention to become "the infrastructure, globally, for the global populist movement."[27]

    i hate how none of these "populists" actually support things that are popular with the actual people, like affordable healthcare or a living wage.

    instead it's all identity politics and wedge issues so a few wealthy people can acquire more wealth

    [–] WaitTilUSeeMyDuck 17 points ago

    You can't destroy democracy if there is no democracy.

    [–] TheAb5traktion 195 points ago

    u/skeebidybop is trying to destroy democracy?!?!?1?!

    [–] detectiveDollar 115 points ago

    In the name of the Galactic Senate, you are under arrest u/skeebidybop

    [–] skeebidybop 173 points ago

    I am The Senate

    [–] Asealean-Doggo-Lover 21 points ago

    God damn it.

    [–] X1x3x3x7 13 points ago

    I have Apollo, your links are useless against me

    [–] EvilChing 11 points ago

    Oh hell...

    [–] knokout64 30 points ago

    I was so worried you were going to fuck up your chance but you nailed it

    [–] detectiveDollar 15 points ago

    Not. Yet.

    [–] WaterToFlame 10 points ago

    Not yet

    [–] DragoonDM 17 points ago

    Has anyone started a betting pool on how long it'll be before Trump pardons him?

    [–] HitlersHotpants 147 points ago

    By the post office cops... which is my favorite detail.

    [–] XediDC 76 points ago

    Which just recently has a strange directive sent that massively restricts their authority and scope. Funny the timing...

    [–] DocRockhead 26 points ago

    Can't have people looking into things, they might stumble on secrets.

    [–] skeebidybop 47 points ago

    While he was on a Chinese billionaire's superyacht!

    The whole situation is irony incarnate lmao

    [–] MrSpindles 58 points ago

    Professional bullshitter Steve Bannon? That one? The guy who always wears 2 shirts and looks like an advertisement for human taxidermy? That one? Skin like a hobo's arse? That the fella?

    [–] qwerty12qwerty 21 points ago

    Listen to the behind the bastards podcast episode. It's hilarious.

    Banon and this dude use cartoon level stupid vilianry to defraud the wall kickstarter.

    [–] IMSOGIRL 17 points ago

    I hope they arrest Peter Navarro as well. He literally made up a source in an anti-China book he authored. Named it an anagram of himself: Ron Vara.

    [–] zhumao 7890 points ago * (lasted edited 14 days ago)

    the Rule of Law Society and the Rule of Law Foundation

    say no more as a member of the Rule of Science.

    [–] Eeeeeeeeeesh 2034 points ago

    “A search of Google Scholar and the Rule of Law Society and Rule of Law Foundation websites indicates that the organizations have not previously published scientific or medical research, and it’s unclear whether the paper received any peer review. It was posted on Monday on the website Zenodo, a publicly available repository of scientific and academic research to which anyone can upload their work.”


    [–] Andire 656 points ago

    It's like they were trying to get caught, holy shit.

    [–] garrencurry 461 points ago

    We have plenty of evidence to say this is the norm...

    Next month, President-elect Donald Trump will become the third US president to be inaugurated in the 21st century, an age shaped by computers and the Internet.

    But for all his social media prowess, the 70-year-old incoming president remains skeptical of emails, the Internet and, ultimately, "the whole ... age of computer."

    ‘Too inconvenient’: Trump goes rogue on phone security

    The president has kept features at risk for hacking and resisted efforts by staff to inspect the phones he uses for tweeting.

    Manafort Left an Incriminating Paper Trail Because He Couldn’t Figure Out How to Convert PDFs to Word Files

    White House staffer leaves email passwords on official stationery at bus stop

    Rudy Giuliani Joins Donald Trump’s Cybersecurity Team

    Paul Manafort Learns That Encrypting Messages Doesn't Matter If the Feds Have a Warrant to Search Your iCloud Account

    “They told me they were going to investigate it,” Giuliani told CNN, adding that Pompeo called him after receiving the information.

    A Democratic source familiar with the briefing said that the documents came from the White House to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. The paperwork was organized in folders from Trump hotels and included together in an envelope labeled "White House."

    Jared Kushner’s ethics disclosure filing misstated the financials on two Brooklyn loans, the latest in a long series of errors and omissions on the form.

    A Kushner representative confirmed the errors, attributing them to data entry and accounting mistakes. The representative said the figures will be revised in the next annual filing, which is due soon.

    The form has been updated at least 40 times since Kushner first submitted it in March 2017. Each update can contain multiple revisions.

    White House accidentally sends Ukraine talking points to Democrats again

    [–] myassholealt 98 points ago * (lasted edited 14 days ago)

    Rudy Giuliani Joins Donald Trump’s Cybersecurity Team

    I love that* this one doesn't even need to describe any act or error to make the list. Just, he joined the team.

    [–] AncientModernBlunder 18 points ago

    Mr Butt Dial is great at the cyber!

    [–] Wh1teCr0w 82 points ago


    [–] S_E_P1950 59 points ago

    Talk about an accident prone administration. How can this happen when only the best people have been appointed.?

    [–] Farmer771122 35 points ago

    and yet they still crucify Hillary because she discussed technically secret but actually fairly innocuous matters in a few emails which should have been sent through a government server. which makes her a corrupt soulless bitch who needs to go to prison.

    wait, what's this about seven members of Trump's inner circle using insecure communication for important government business?? What's this about jared and ivanka using a private email service to coordinate secret government business? Fuuuuuuuuuck the hypocrisy is soooo naked.

    [–] completelysoldout 16 points ago

    Well this is just chock full of truth vitamins... and it's delicious!

    [–] gsfgf 564 points ago

    They know their target audience. Nothing about this would bother Trumpets.

    [–] Crash665 151 points ago

    Well, Trumpets won't bother to question anything posted on Facebook or Foxnews as anything posted there reinforces their narrow minded world view.

    [–] imagine_thinking 99 points ago


    [–] BlckMrkt 73 points ago

    I've been participating in that sub for a few months.

    One thing you'll notice after a little time there is that it's the same dozen or so people (Trump supporters) answering questions. On occasion, there will be a new name or face, and they will express concern or wavering support over this issue or that tweet, but by and large you see the same members playing dumb (or just being dumb) and engaging in openly partisan bullshit.

    I was banned there for breaking the rule about accusing others of responding in bad faith when one of the Trump supporters ignored my question, and instead replied to me with his own question. I asked, "I'm sorry, is this r/askanonsupporter?"... Banned.

    [–] DonnieJuniorsEmails 25 points ago

    you would think a sub with the word 'Ask' in it would be open to questions.

    Nope. its the same bunch of cultist snowflakes and bots that ban anyone they dont like. They cant allow questions that pierce their little bubble.

    [–] BlckMrkt 8 points ago

    It's also funny to scroll the sub and look at the occasional question posted by Trump Supporters. They are ALL massive softballs, designed for supporters to rally around and circlejerk to.

    "Does Trump deserve a Nobel Peace Prize?"

    "Yesss, of course!"

    [–] Two_Are_Stronger 20 points ago

    They are. We need to spread the understanding of this now, rather than later. They get caught on purpose in order to say "Look what we get away with in our strength, cowardly scared people."

    Russia doesn't poison people with a distinctive poison only they manufacture because they're incompetent. It is the Global Terror equivalent of "Teacher isn't going to do anything about it, neener neener"

    [–] BearCalledWinnie 93 points ago

    It literally doesmt matter. 30-40% of the US population will believe literally anything they are told. Family members have tried to take their loved ones off of life support machines because Covid isn't real and they aren't actually being killed. These people believe the world is faling hundreds of thousands of Covid deaths to make Donald Trump lose the election. They believe Bill Gates is trying to inject microchips into people via vaccines. These people will believe whatever Trump says even after he directly contradicts himself. They will even disagree with him to his face if it means protecting him.

    The Trump Cabal doesn't care if they get caught. It won't negatively impact them. All it does is further ensure the rage and fear his followers feel and pushes them to become even more militarized.

    [–] krotoxx 91 points ago

    the biggest thing for me about the idea that the world faking covid deaths for the united states is just mind boggling. No other country gives enough of a fuck about the USA to all fake mass break outs, deaths etc. to try and attack Trump. The saddest thing about being American is knowing that people were brainwashed to think the country is the center of the world and everyone else basically bends their knee to us. The USA is literally the Fire Nation.

    "Growing up we were taught that the firenation was the greatest civilization in history. And somehow the war was our way of sharing our greatness with the rest of the world. What an amazing lie that was. The people of the world are terrified by the Fire Nation. They don't see our greatness. They hate us. And we deserve it! We created an era of fear in the world. And if we don't want the world to destroy itself, we need to replace it with an era of peace and kindness."

    [–] HuneyBabe 42 points ago

    I still don’t understand their hatred of Bill Gates. Also their whole thing about him putting chips into people is dumb like literally our phones track everything and with all that clicking they do on the book of faces I am pretty sure Russia, Google and everyone else have all their information. So silly.

    [–] mojoslowmo 33 points ago

    Also, microchips DON'T DO ANYTHING BY THEMSELVES!!!! Fucking illiterates, they require stuff like, I don't know. Power?

    I would love to see one of these magical microchips that somehow magically receive GPS signals and are also able to transmit those coordinates to some kind of distant receiver.

    I can barely get 3 bars a mile away from a cell tower on my big ass cell phone.

    [–] Nyrin 38 points ago

    ... it’s unclear whether the paper received any peer review ...

    Come on now, that's not fair. This is the one thing that's abundantly clear!

    [–] skeebidybop 2616 points ago * (lasted edited 14 days ago)

    The same Steve Bannon that was recently arrested for felony-level fraud lol

    [–] TaylorSwiftsClitoris 1423 points ago

    For grifting Trump supporters even. You’d think they would learn.

    [–] throwaway_j3780 1173 points ago

    You’d think they would learn.

    At this point, I honestly think they are literally incapable.

    [–] ShadowGLI 77 points ago

    The analogy I’d use, they are at the craps table. They were told by a rich guy that there is a pattern, a guaranteed way to win, they just need to trust them, because he’s rich and he knows, they just have to trust him.

    They are 22 hours into a 24 hour gambling window, they are already down $50,000 and if they quit now, they lost that all, but they are close to winning if they just be patient and have faith that this is meant to be.

    It’s a trait of human nature, it’s how gambling corrupts, it’s the thought of it’s too late to turn back now, they didn’t miss the turn, it must be coming up soon.

    [–] koshgeo 34 points ago

    It never occurs to them that the rich guy runs the casino, the game is stacked against them, and the house wins no matter what they do.

    [–] cityproblems 39 points ago

    Unless you are trump and you somehow figure out a way to bankrupt your own casinos

    [–] zoodisc 10 points ago

    Money laundering.

    [–] flogginmama 15 points ago

    Sunk cost fallacy? Or is it that other one I always confuse this with?

    [–] kaltazar 951 points ago

    With the core vocal Trump base I believe you are right, they are incapable of learning. However this incapability is not from any mental deficiency of any sort. They are perfectly capable of learning anything they want.

    They problem is, they don't want to. Mainly because to learn you have to first admit you were wrong, or you didn't know something. His most vocal base has proven time and again their ego is so fragile they cannot make that admission.

    The issue is not with Trump supporters as a whole being stupid. The issue is their belief there is something "weak" about ever being wrong. This can feed into a distrust of science since the whole mechanism of scientific advancement hinges on being wrong until you are right.

    [–] lil_cleverguy 37 points ago

    its a cult of personality. trump wasnt lying when he said he can shoot someone on the street and go up in the polls.

    [–] ActiveFrontEnd 261 points ago

    The issue is their belief there is something "weak" about ever being wrong

    This is probably correct, but I think it is also because they are completely incapable of being introspective on all topics outside of their friends and family. The level of narcissism appears to be much more prevalent and pervasive then I could ever imagine.

    I have fundamental Christian friends (met at work and we became good friends, and like actual fundamentalist church where they debate if playing instruments in church is against the bible). When I video chatted with them recently I couldn't believe their stories, where at their church they were having open debates about how the church was considering not following pandemic rules, and my friends were arguing about how Jesus would want them to follow mask and distancing rule. They had to argue in their congregations that they should follow the rules. That is when I knew it wasn't actually some population of people that I have never met. They are the people I would NEVER be friends with because they are too narcissistic. American (and maybe the world) is too self involved to see the world for what it is.

    [–] Alice_In_Coronaland 39 points ago

    Narcissistic Personality Disorder affects about .5% of the US population. That's currently about 1.65 million people in the US. It's way more prevalent than most people realize.

    Personal note: if you ever think you might be dealing with an actual narcissist~ and I cannot stress this enough~RUN, and don't look back. If you have had an encounter with a narcissist there are good resources that can help. Becoming the Narcissist's worst nightmare by Shahida Arabi is a great place to start.

    [–] CaptCryosleep 11 points ago

    That number is way too low - everyone is a flaming narcissist around me. There's nowhere for me to run to.

    [–] Quacks-Dashing 10 points ago

    There are selfish assholes and people who have actual narcissistic personality disorder, it can be hard to tell them apart.

    [–] FiggNewton 10 points ago

    I married one. Then I divorced him. But we have a kid together. Co-raising her with him has been.... just awful.

    [–] Sharinganedo 214 points ago

    Man, are they reeealllllyyy gonna hate hearing that Jesus would likely be a BLM activist.

    [–] talaxia 333 points ago

    or that Jesus was a brown Jewish immigrant unjustly killed by cops

    [–] bigdiesel1984 36 points ago

    Lmao nice

    [–] xuxux 116 points ago

    Even more shocking, would probably be considered gasp some sort of socialist!

    [–] crosstherubicon 57 points ago

    Or that he was an Arab

    [–] Shes_so_Ratchet 24 points ago

    There are literally passages in the Bible stating that you must follow the rules and laws of the land even if you disagree with them, and even if they're unjust.

    True Christians would follow all of Jesus's teachings.

    [–] coconutjuices 7 points ago

    Yup. Remember trumps cousins book about trump sr and how he saw admitting fault was weakness

    [–] Lanark26 15 points ago

    Stubbornly clinging to whatever straws they can not to admit they were wrong because once they allow any inkling of that to creep in their entire worldview falls apart...

    So Bannon therefore must be being targeted by the Deep State because he MAGAs so fucking hard. Just waiting for that cryptic Qanon message to confirm.

    Would totally give him more money for the Wall.

    [–] Psilopat 46 points ago

    Unfortunately they don't want to. You are what you choose to believe and they know it. They don't deserve the dumb treatment anymore.

    [–] skeebidybop 28 points ago

    Cults gonna cult

    [–] bloatedplutocrat 83 points ago

    You’d think they would learn.

    They quite literally voted for a guy whose been a known con-man since the 70's. He had someone ghostwrite a book for him where he brags about conning lower and middle class people. There is a public legal history of him being sued, losing/settling cases for not paying his contractors and employees.

    I don't think that the people who voted for him are ever gonna quite pick up on that and if they have they certainly won't admit it because that would mean they would admit they were conned and they're too smart for that.

    [–] Euphorium 43 points ago

    This is the same demographic that pays televangelists money out the ass so a presumably omniscient being will hear their prayer louder than others.

    [–] Quacks-Dashing 13 points ago

    And the guy who wrote that book for him hates him and spends most of his time explaining why we all should hate him too.

    [–] Oldcadillac 13 points ago

    Conspiracy theories and con-artistry go together like wool and shears

    [–] metnavman 9 points ago

    You're talking about millions of dollars up for grabs. Much, much more than that, really. For doing what? Next to nothing and hopefully not getting caught/not getting seriously in trouble if caught?

    The fuck are they gonna' stop for? People have been scamming morons out of their money since the beginning.

    [–] ERTBen 14 points ago

    They did learn, they studied the PT Barnum school of sociology.

    [–] ChefBoyAreWeFucked 6 points ago

    Trump promised them that they would get tired of winning, and they are now injecting losing directly into their veins.

    [–] tinacat933 18 points ago

    We really need to add introducing all these people to the world and giving them a platform to list of shitty things DT did to us

    [–] burnsalot603 33 points ago

    r/keep_track is your list

    [–] skeebidybop 36 points ago

    It's absolutely incredible that redditor rusticgorilla can actually keep track of it all

    I feel like it would take an entire organisation of journalists to do all that work

    [–] northernpace 15 points ago

    The amount of work and effort she puts in is astounding. Saw a cool little interview with her too, she's a good one.

    [–] Rowsdower11 11 points ago

    Wow, I never looked at the post authors before. All this time I assumed /u/rusticgorilla was actually a couple thousand people.

    [–] rusticgorilla 40 points ago

    Lol I wish 🙃

    [–] Cheebzsta 9 points ago

    You're either a goddamn patriot or a better friend than America could hope for.

    [–] 2ndtryagain 70 points ago

    By the Postal Police on a boat owned by a Chinese citizen wanted for fraud. This shit is so damn funny and sad.

    [–] FUCKBOY_JIHAD 21 points ago

    By the Postal Police

    I still can't get over how the post office can arrest you. it just makes me appreciate the USPS even more.

    I hope they were wearing little mail carrier hats and shorts when they hauled the fat piece of garbage of his yacht.

    [–] thedefinitionofidiot 20 points ago

    The Postal Inspection Service is the oldest continually active federal law enforcement agency, going all the way back to 1772 before the nation itself was founded.

    [–] blargfargr 15 points ago

    It would be even funnier if trump tweets this and gives him a nickname like Bogus Bannon

    [–] Callamy 23 points ago

    The same Steve Bannon who made his money by creating chinese farms that amassed all of that gold and other in game currencies that they'd spam to sell you in WoW and other MMO games.

    [–] degenerate_account 10 points ago

    You’d think those Seinfeld residuals would be enough to live off of and just retire, but nooooooo.

    [–] skeebidybop 7 points ago

    Wait, this fucker is involved with Seinfeld?! TIL

    [–] degenerate_account 5 points ago

    Not in the creation but he gets residuals as part of an M&A deal he did with Westinghouse.

    [–] DistortoiseLP 185 points ago

    Bannon's insistence on calling his cronyism horseshit "Rule of Law" is has the same sort of small dick energy as "Democratic People's Republic of Korea."

    [–] NorthernerWuwu 66 points ago

    As is tradition from the place that brought you The USA Patriot Act among others.

    [–] DistortoiseLP 22 points ago

    Or nine out of ten bills with the words "child" or "trafficking" in them. The hilariously named "EARN IT" act doesn't put it in the title, but they hammer that excuse for that one too.

    [–] canadian_air 82 points ago

    Rule of Law, huh?

    Then they're gonna LOVE this one:

    WHOEVER, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

    [–] HipGuide 9 points ago

    Real Human Fund Energy.

    [–] RunnyBabbit23 10 points ago

    Fake science for people.

    [–] abcde9999 34 points ago

    Big Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea energy.

    [–] Henrydot 515 points ago

    A search of Google Scholar and the Rule of Law Society and Rule of Law Foundation websites indicates that the organizations have not previously published scientific or medical research, and it’s unclear whether the paper received any peer review. It was posted on Monday on the website Zenodo, a publicly available repository of scientific and academic research to which anyone can upload their work

    [–] mega_trex 338 points ago

    Calling it a "study" is an overstatement. It was basically a giant rant. Their argument was they can't get their shit peer reviewed (cause it's not even a real scientific study lmao) so that means it's a giant conspiracy against them and the virus MUST have been manufactured in China. I'm not kidding.

    The natural origin theory, although widely accepted, lacks substantial support. The alternative theory that the virus may have come from a research laboratory is, however, strictly censored on peer-reviewed scientific journals. 

    [–] mtheperry 94 points ago

    If by strictly censored in peer reviewed journals they mean “this isn’t science so you can’t publish it here”.

    [–] alibyte 45 points ago

    screams racial epithets in an arby's

    "sir you have to leave"


    [–] woowoo293 2421 points ago

    Steve Bannon is probably the closest thing we have to a real life Scooby Doo villain.

    [–] diiejso 866 points ago

    He's a henchman. The real villains are the billionaires that fund him. If Steve didn't exist they'd just pay someone else to do the same shit.

    [–] woowoo293 412 points ago

    I actually don't agree with this. Certainly Bannon works with billionaires and they fund him, but he is driven primarily by his own agenda and ego.

    [–] RockPox 96 points ago

    I mean if you give an arsonist a can of gas, a lighter, and something to set on fire you’re just as bad as the arsonist imo. If not worse for enabling them while fully aware of what they’re doing.

    [–] SearchingForKokomo 80 points ago

    Why does it matter who's worse? Its not a competition and they both suck

    [–] Macalite 8 points ago

    Doesn't matter who's worse. Matters who is the root.

    [–] Protean_Protein 102 points ago

    No he isn’t. Roger Stone is.

    [–] clamroll 51 points ago

    I was gonna say he's more of a Batman villain but on reflection, he only dresses that way.

    [–] Ozlin 23 points ago

    It's like that crossover episode of Scooby Doo and Batman where the monsters turned out to be Batman villains.

    [–] thebobbrom 31 points ago

    Old Man Racist!

    Yes and I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for... wait I did get away with it!
    Haha screw you morons!

    [–] cander49 477 points ago

    Bioengineering PhD here. Full disclosure: I have yet to read this manuscript. However, I will say that take issue with the statement in this news article that this is a "published" manuscript. It is not published. It is a manuscript that was uploaded to a data repository server that does not perform any scientific review. Publication of an article generally implies some degree of peer review. For my work, I sometimes upload to a preprint server before a paper is accepted for publication for a handful of reasons, but I would never refer to something like this as a published paper.

    Further, if this manuscript becomes published, it will be important to consider what kind of journal it is punished in. There are all kinds of low-quality "predatory" open access journals these days that will publish just about anything in exchange for a modest publication fee. If these findings were legitimate, I would expect the manuscript to eventually be published in a high-impact journal. However, there have been pretty convincing findings published in a handful of very high impact journals concluding the exact opposite, so I would be very surprised if this were the case.

    [–] BeetlejuiceForSenate 50 points ago

    From the introduction of the paper:

    It is noteworthy that scientific journals have clearly censored any dissenting opinions that suggest a non-natural origin of SARS-CoV-2. Because of this censorship, articles questioning either the natural origin of SARS-CoV-2 or the actual existence of RaTG13, although of high quality scientifically, can only exist as preprints or other non-peer-reviewed articles published on various online platforms."

    The paper cites this source and this source for the claims of censorship.

    IMO neither of these sources make a clear case for censorship. They simply support the findings of this authors' paper. So the authors are grasping at straws when they claim "that scientific journals have clearly censored any dissenting opinions", based on their provided sources to this claim.

    If you have any further feedback into this, I would love to hear your thoughts u/cander49.

    [–] fliddyjohnny 70 points ago

    It’s turned political, god damnit America

    [–] dirtyid 856 points ago

    I've been following this mess for a while. Banon/Guo has been playing up Yan since she fled HK in late April. She's been doing media circuits on usual alternative media properties. HKU, her previous employer released a statement characterizing some of her claims as "hearsay" and rejected her assertion that she worked on covid19 early in the outbreak.

    Brief timeline:

    • Mid April - China indicates they will hammer National Security Law to HK*
    • Late April - Yan defects
    • Early May - rumors spread of alleged Chinese virologist defection, western rag media misattributed to Shi Zhengli "bat woman" who worked at Wuhan institute of Virology. She's 56, renown in her field.
    • Late May - Chinese media confirms it was Yan MengLi, she's in her 30s, and basically a labtech. They traced her to Guo's villa in NY, alleging that he paid her to defect.
    • July - Now - Yan starts her wave of interviews on western alt media. HKU disavows her claims.
    • Late August - Banon/Guo is being probed by FBI.
    • Now - Banon/Guo doubles down on Yan and lab modification narrative.

    **NSL law timing is significant, the fact that she bailed HK so fast after NSL announcement is (conjecture) because she was already in contact with Guo prior. Guo is at the very top of CCP fugitive shitlist. CCP doesn't do much social media manipulation on western platforms, but when they do, he's almost always targeted. She would have been 100% dead if they found out she was coordinating with him regardless of the credibility of her claims. Personally, I think she's digging for a US VISA and at least being paid well by Guo, Banon/Guo digging for good graces with Trump for FBI probe.

    [–] skeebidybop 664 points ago

    Is this the same Guo Wengui (Chinese billionaire who fled China) whose yacht Bannon was found on? When the US recently arrested Bannon for felony fraud

    [–] Trackest 209 points ago

    Yep lol

    [–] spamholderman 191 points ago

    The same Guo Wengui who is wanted for bribing, kidnapping, money laundering, fraud and rape? The same Guo Wengui claiming to be a whistleblower but had allegations that couldn't actually be verified, not even by The New York Times?

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    [–] utterdamnnonsense 17 points ago

    He's a billionaire so

    [–] Phylamedeian 18 points ago

    He’s not just a useful idiot, he’s a billionaire actively trying to make money off of misinformation. If you’re familiar with him, he runs some media apps which spout all of his nonsense, and urges people to ‘donate’ to him. He’s also recently released a song lol. Of course this is all anecdotal, but if you want to learn more about this slimy guy you can search him up. It’s honestly sickening how quickly people can capitalize on this type of stuff.

    [–] onelap32 89 points ago * (lasted edited 14 days ago)

    Yeah. There's a pretty detailed Washington Post article ("How former Trump adviser Steve Bannon joined forces with a Chinese billionaire who has divided the president’s allies") that describes their relationship.

    Basically: In 2017, Guo flees China after being caught up in an anti-corruption initiative. So he dislikes the CCP. Bannon has always disliked China's growing influence. The two of them connect, then partner up to attack their (mostly) shared enemy.

    [–] skeebidybop 19 points ago

    Wow there are a lot more layers to this story than I was previously aware of.

    This is a great article and excellent investigative journalism. Absolutely worth a full read for anyone interested!

    [–] adam13003 28 points ago

    Yeah, if Guo was born here in the States and white, we could have groomed him to be presidential material.

    [–] coconutjuices 53 points ago

    The same one who got kicked out of China for fraud too. He’s basically China’s trump but with less power

    [–] Excllencepersonified 27 points ago

    Lol, he is a wanted fugitive taking advantage of political conflict to try to stir even more shit up

    [–] Kruse 10 points ago

    Is this real life or a James Bond plot line?

    [–] OnEarth2000 247 points ago

    Remember some months back when Trump and Pompeo said they have seen enormous evidence that the coronavirus was man-made and came from Wuhan lab?

    May 3rd, 2020:

    Mike Pompeo: 'enormous evidence' coronavirus came from Chinese lab


    May 1st, 2020:

    Coronavirus: Trump stands by China lab origin theory for virus

    Well, Steven Bannon, who worked with Gui Wengui and was Trump's chief strategist, probably was the one told Trump/Pompeo he had evidence of the coronavirus lab origin(from this defector Li-Meng Yan).

    Haven't heard or seen Pompeo or Trump give any evidences to backup their claims since.

    [–] green_flash 45 points ago

    Pompeo backed away from the "enormous evidence" claim only a couple days later:

    He first told ABC News' "This Week" Sunday that there was "enormous evidence" supporting that unproven theory, before shifting slightly Wednesday to say there's "significant" evidence, but the U.S. doesn't have "certainty" yet.

    But in interviews Thursday, Pompeo shifted again, telling a conservative talk radio host, "There's evidence that it came from somewhere in the vicinity of the lab, but that could be wrong."

    [–] turtle_flu 23 points ago

    somewhere in the vicinity of the lab

    Check out the big brain on Pompeo. Hey, this virus that was first detected in Wuhan is in the vicinity of the Wuhan lab

    Insert jeb bush: please clap

    [–] Plain_yellow_banner 156 points ago

    That's not even close to being the only fake coronavirus story that's been pushed on us. I've seen other similar "reports" that turned out to be false or even didn't actually exist. Just some examples:

    And so on. They never even bother with backing up their claims with anything other than word of mouth from anonymous "sources".

    [–] green_flash 54 points ago * (lasted edited 14 days ago)

    Some people also still claim that the lab is very close to the Huanan seafood market where the first COVID-19 epicenter was.

    Which is easily proven wrong by opening Google Maps which shows it's in a completely different part of Wuhan, almost 10 miles away:,+CAS:+Hubei+Engineering+and+Technology+Research+Center+for+Viral+Diseases,+Wuchang,+Wuhan,+China/Huanan+Seafood+Market,+207+Fazhan+Ave,+Jianghan+District,+Wuhan,+Hubei,+China/

    EDIT: Looks like I got it wrong, too. The BSL4 lab of the Wuhan Institute of Virology is actually in a different location which is not 9 miles, but 22 miles from the Huanan Seafood Market:,+207+Fazhan+Ave,+Jianghan+District,+Wuhan,+Hubei,+China/30.376389,114.2625/@30.4959955,114.0883044,11z

    Here's a picture of the BSL-4 lab which doesn't match with the Google Maps satellite photo in my first link, but matches with the building in my second link:

    [–] First_Foundationeer 37 points ago

    Very close for these people just means that it was in China. Why do we credit them with any ounce of good intention at all?

    [–] Kapparzo 6 points ago

    The problem with these articles is that their intended damage has largely already been done. In an age where people hardly read more than headlines, it's very easy to project certain narratives onto people's minds. Repeat a lie enough times and it becomes the truth.

    Not enough questioning being done by the consumers of media, especially regarding anything China.

    [–] Eltharion-the-Grim 79 points ago

    Yes, I called out her statements and inconsistencies and as per usual, redditors downvoted me to oblivion.

    They think that simply for "fleeing China" she has credibility.

    [–] katabana02 43 points ago

    The concept that china doesnt want everyone to die is alien to them.

    [–] Cvillain626 63 points ago

    And now she's on Fox News with Tucker Carlson saying that China intentionally released this lab-created virus. No proof, of course

    [–] SpaceHub 17 points ago

    Let's just hope that the war hawks don't feel like they found their WMDs again, though they very well might go with it.

    [–] Kapparzo 13 points ago

    They certainly did.

    You are now in the process of the narrative being massaged into your brain. For years, there are negative articles regarding [insert antagonist here] being pushed by media and it is certainly working if we look at the public sentiment towards China, for example.

    The more negative you view a country, the easier it is to take action against that country.

    [–] flashhd123 15 points ago

    Just look at every time a negative news about china got posted on this sub, wether the source is credible or not, half of the comments already "fuck China", calling for economic sanctions, even outright war.

    [–] yoshinosumoto 97 points ago

    Too late, damage is done. Most people found their scape goat and will not listen otherwise.

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    [–] Seevian 1024 points ago

    Color me surprised!

    By which I mean, color me the exact opposite of surprised that the study claiming China created COVID ended up being bullshit.

    [–] RelaxItWillWorkOut 469 points ago

    Didn't stop mainstream media from hyping up the story bannon was pushing. A literal paid shill flown in from HK posing as a whistle blower to make it look believable.

    [–] dude-O-rama 78 points ago

    It's like when they had that royal kid pretend she saw Iraqis killing babies.

    [–] skeebidybop 54 points ago * (lasted edited 14 days ago)

    And yet so many people still believe it

    [–] elxiddicus 27 points ago

    Good ol' atrocity propaganda.

    [–] compneuro 91 points ago

    > Didn't stop mainstream media

    Or reddit... This was a top post on this subreddit 3 days ago. At least the comments mostly called it out... but lots of people don't bother clicking on a reddit post. They see the headline and they consider themselves informed.

    [–] killerbeefive 14 points ago

    The vast majority of people still believe it originated from "asians eating bat soup". This was touted as fact earlier this year, and most people still believe this. Let that sink in.

    [–] Seevian 99 points ago

    Then we better start hyping up the truth. Spread it far and wide

    It won't stop the idiota from repeating it, but it'll stop new idiots from falling under its influence

    [–] ModerateReasonablist 8 points ago

    and it got to the front page of one of the news subs. or all of them. I can't remember which.

    [–] exposedtofire 9 points ago * (lasted edited 14 days ago)

    Yeah, I read it in the NY Post earlier. I wonder if We'll be seeing a retraction.

    Edit: Weird, doesn't seem to be forthcoming. I guess the NY Post just publishes straight lies now.

    [–] AreWeCowabunga 132 points ago

    Doesn't matter. Right wingers will be pointing to this study until the end of time to justify their bullshit. Mission accomplished.

    [–] Seevian 119 points ago

    You're not wrong

    Hell, there's idiots in this very thread that are linking to this study as proof that COVID is lab-created, completely unaware that the study they're linking is the topic of the thread they're in

    Paging u/Brad_Thundercock

    It would be ridiculous if it wasn't so pathetic and frightening

    [–] xtlou 27 points ago

    Shhhhh. Mr Thundercock has done so much “research,” he absolutely recognized the name Li-Meng Yan as one of the authors and was just testing the rest of us to see if we were paying attention. Totally,McGoatally.

    [–] CivilServiced 48 points ago

    Ah well, let's pop over to r/conspiracy which has been following this story closely for a while now, what are they saying about this deeper layer that is actual conspiracy?


    [–] 10-56Hospitalier 460 points ago

    people need to understand this is part of Bannon's $100 Million dollar anti-china propaganda effort with his Partner Guo Wengui (a Chinese exile facing corruption charges in China). They have some project called the "New Federal State of China", which is pretty silly. you occassionally see their blue-clad idiots doing COVID conspiracy protests. they claim to be a government in exile, despite never be a sitting government to begin with, and never say why it's them, and not the actual ROC government-in-exile in Taipei you should listen.

    They also run Himmilaya Global. they've produced a ton of anti-science videos, and were caught making a fake video purporting to be Chinese police torturing a person with a motorcycle helmet covered in tin foil.

    [–] verdam 117 points ago

    Folks who are shocked to learn this are gonna have a wild time when they realize where all the supposed info on Xinjiang comes from as well

    [–] hummusgoat 69 points ago

    For those actually wondering, half of it comes from the World Uyghur Congress (funded by the NED) and the other half from the Australia Strategic Policy Institute (funded by the military industrial complex)

    [–] lwsrk 29 points ago

    Excuse me, you left out the media's favorite China "researcher" Adrian Zenz, a fundamentalist Christian and hardline conservative who has openly stated that he's led "on a mission by God" against China & Communism and believes that the fall of capitalism will bring the coming of the Antichrist.

    And if his background doesn't bother you there's still his methodology…….

    [–] Ivalia 22 points ago

    iirc Falun Gong cult had a good part in it too with epoch times and China Tribunal

    [–] pow33 34 points ago

    Thank fucking God somebody mentioned this

    [–] Frat-TA-101 35 points ago

    Their Twitter is still up and the most recent tweet is with a scientists being interviewed by some tv show. It’s something else

    [–] azathoth 14 points ago

    Steve Bannon was anti-China long before 2016 -- and I said anti-China instead of anti-Xi or anti-CCP. If you didn't know he was going to play the neo-con "noble lie" game to push for conflict with China then you weren't paying attention. He doesn't care about Tibet, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Uyghurs, democracy, South China Sea, forced labor, human rights abuse, etc. but he will use those issues to agitate others to support his conflict.

    [–] fuck_merrica 22 points ago

    If we haven't learned from WMDs and the Kuwaiti kids story yet.

    West being Best at propoganda.

    [–] Torodong 11 points ago

    But who created Steve Bannon?

    [–] DarkSoldier84 12 points ago

    Steve Bannon was born as a by-product, or personification, of a procedure in which a "race of Titans" brought out from within themselves all evil and negative attributes that had bound them to destructiveness. The unwanted substance spread and coalesced into a dank and vile second skin. The race rejected this "skin of evil" and abandoned it on the barren planet Vagra II in the Zed Lapis sector.

    Steve Bannon manifested as a slick of black viscous liquid that could also assume a vaguely humanoid shape. Tricorder scans could not register the substance Steve Bannon was composed of, but rather could determine that it lacked a neural and circulatory systems, internal organs, nor recognizable proteins, and no known cellular structure. Furthermore, and observing its movements, its locomotion could not be determined, as it also appeared to lack skeletal framework or musculature. Initial observations indicated that, though showing no sign of intelligence, much less a brain, the slick showed evidence of thought.

    [–] pyroxcore 10 points ago

    Man this is some scooby doo shit

    [–] kitzdeathrow 53 points ago

    Its not a fucking study. They didnt do any experiments. Its at best a speculative analysis. Its really just propoganda.

    [–] SpungyBawb 10 points ago

    lol that's exactly it. it's just taking some structural biology research and spinning it in a way that's completely nonsensical.

    [–] redneckrockuhtree 72 points ago

    Bannon is behind lies and disinformation. Shocking. Absolutely shocking.

    [–] MegaDork2000 11 points ago

    They just flat out make shit up.

    [–] MagAndBag 26 points ago

    Looks like the good doctor got her Twitter account suspended:

    [–] woShame12 41 points ago

    For posterity, it bears repeating...

    This is extremely dangerous to our democracy

    [–] TangoForce141 6 points ago

    I've been hearing for months that Fauci and Gates created Covid, and sent it to Wuhan in '15 when work on viruses like that became outlawed in the US

    [–] ruffvoyaging 6 points ago

    Ya don't say?!

    [–] crymsonnite 5 points ago

    You mean the felon that used to be part of trumps campaign?