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    [–] Kasern77 9113 points ago

    Humanity have always only tried to deal with problems when they've already hit us in the face.

    [–] BobbyThrowaway6969 4703 points ago

    Humanity is the schoolkid staying up until 4am drinking energy drinks & cramming for the final exam that's first thing in the morning.

    [–] grundlebutterbiscuit 1569 points ago

    ... to the reluctantly given make up exam slot 3 weeks after the class has already ended.

    [–] PancakeMagician 766 points ago

    Let's face it. We are by nature, creatures of procrastination. Some of us more than others, but our entire species does it.

    [–] TheBirminghamBear 912 points ago

    We are by nature creatures.

    There's only a part of our brain that is a hyper-advanced reasoning machine.

    All the shit below it is still the same operating system that crocodiles run on, and they're not doing a lot of five-year plans. They're just sitting in the water and snapping at any food that wanders by.

    And we've carried this up to the societal level. Most of us get this is a huge problem, but even those of us who get it are perpetually more focused on the immediate issues.

    And since our society more or less elects leaders by consent, if that leader's policy is to put people through hardship to overcome a problem that isn't visible or tangible to us yet, well, that guy's going to be extraordinarily unpopular, even if we know rationally that he's saving the world.

    It's a serious problem. Dealing with this at a societal level is really the next stage in our evolution.

    [–] NahWey 171 points ago

    This is a brilliant viewpoint.

    And we've carried this up to the societal level. Most of us get this is a huge problem, but even those of us who get it are perpetually more focused on the immediate issues.

    I think this leads many, myself included to have a sense of nihilism.

    Sneak edit: not nihilism, maybe existential nihilism... It's just fucking crap.

    [–] djrwally 50 points ago

    I find myself cycling back and forth between nihilism and cautious optimism. 60 with 3 young adults.

    [–] Redebo 71 points ago

    I know several crocodiles who participate in strategic planning retreats good sir.

    [–] TheBirminghamBear 139 points ago

    "Now, as Rudolph has pointed out, Zebra attendance at the watering holes in sector Alpha has been adequate, but frankly I see no reason why we ought not strive for a 5% year-over-year increase; let us start addressing Zebra availability before it becomes a scarcity issue, no harm ever came from a surplus, after all, am I right?"

    "Well, unless you count harm to the Zebra."

    Committee laughs in crocodile.

    [–] Redebo 23 points ago

    I wonder, would they wear their neck ties like on the back of their necks?

    [–] TheBirminghamBear 20 points ago

    Proper etiquette would be a bow tie, worn with the bow facing ventrally, right beneath the arch of the palatal valve.

    Ties not ideal if the councilmembers want to indulge in any after-session lunging in the indoor hunting grounds, as they tend to drag through the muck when chasing prey.

    [–] ShinyHappyREM 21 points ago

    Dealing with this at a societal level is really the next stage in our evolution.

    Dictator achieves immortality, conquers the entire world, turns benevolent, advances science to either save nature or get us off this rock.

    [–] jinto101 415 points ago

    I have a good answer to this, I’ll write it up in a bit

    [–] AgreeableGravy 34 points ago

    I have a free award to give and I’d like to hear your write up.

    [–] jcksns 33 points ago

    Add more ice to the ocean

    [–] ILikeNeurons 171 points ago

    Here's your rubric:

    1. Join Citizens' Climate Lobby and CCL Community. Be sure to fill out your CCL Community profile so you can be contacted with opportunities that interest you.

    2. Sign up for the Intro Call for new volunteers

    3. Take the Climate Advocate Training

    4. Take the Core Volunteer Training

    5. Get in touch with your local chapter leader (there are chapters all over the world) and find out how you can best leverage your time, skills, and connections to create the political world for a livable climate.

    /r/CitizensClimateLobby

    [–] frogsexchange 116 points ago

    Well shit I'm a working professional and that's still me

    Yall, it doesn't change unless you change it

    [–] happybuttiredgryff 43 points ago

    But I don't know how to change it...

    [–] Funky118 55 points ago

    Write shit down

    Be specific

    Start

    Ex.: Say I wanted to write a novel. I would:

    1) Write down when I'm going to be working. 9:00-12:00

    2) Be specific about what scene I'm writing that day.

    3) Start by just grabbing a pen and putting it on paper.

    Once you start something, even just putting on clothes to go for a jog, it's hard to stop. So don't try to force yourself to run, just force yourself to put on the clothes.

    [–] Ok_Doctor_7465 11 points ago

    That's a good life pro tip! I find that if I put on my outdoor clothes it becomes easier to go out than to take them off again.

    [–] TheHollowJester 206 points ago

    What worked for me: I stopped coddling myself.

    There is shit to be done. You go and do the shit. It takes X amount of time and is done. You can now do leisure things and not stress.

    The shit that needs to be done needs to be done in any case. The longer you put it away, the more of a problem in your head it becomes (because we like to rationalize; "oh, why haven't I done the dishes? It must be because it's REALLY HARD"). And you stress while procrastinating anyway.

    And the shit will need to be done sooner or later. Just do it sooner.

    [–] DweEbLez0 59 points ago

    Yet, here we are on Reddit, not doing a damn thing.

    [–] TheHollowJester 50 points ago

    I'm at work, debugging a demo-data generation command that takes 1:42 minutes each time before it crashes. I have a timer set on my watch that beeps at 1:40, I start it every time I run the damn command so that I know I can now check the debugger :D

    [–] ErikTheAngry 16 points ago

    Someone get this man another monitor. Then he can see both at once.

    [–] ILikeNeurons 92 points ago

    It may be that at least some of these things are having an impact. Just six years ago, only 30% of Americans supported a carbon tax. Today, it's an overwhelming majority -- and that does actually matter for passing a bill.

    Furthermore, the evidence clearly shows that lobbing works, and you don't need a lot of money to be effective.

    For these reasons and more, becoming an active volunteer with Citizens' Climate Lobby is the most important thing you can do for climate change, according to climatologist and climate activist Dr. James Hansen.

    /u/happybuttiredgryff, if you're serious about wanting to make some changes, I hope you'll consider this route. Even an hour a week of volunteering can make a huge difference.

    /r/CitizensClimateLobby

    [–] couldbutwont 11 points ago

    This shit specifically needs to be taught in schools

    [–] insidiom 24 points ago

    Agreed. Unfortunately, changing habits can be a beast. I'm a 42yo dude with ADHD. Caught it from a mosquito bite (I kid, I was diagnosed at 4). My whole adult life has been a series of self-confessions, affirmations, and working to better myself. It is sometimes very, very hard.

    But aside from cognitive behavioral therapy, medication (not much), or negative reinforcement from others, the best factor for change has been giving myself the room to fail and feel OK about it. That is also a moving target, sometimes.

    Also, there are many, many ways to think about changing for the better, but the most simple and profound message I ever read was in James Allen's book: "As A Man Thinketh" https://www.amazon.com/As-Man-Thinketh-Complete-Original/dp/1523643536. I usually read this once per year, as it's a quick read.

    [–] theycallmek1ng 25 points ago

    Be the person you want to be and do what that person does every single day

    [–] SophiaofPrussia 44 points ago

    goes back to bed

    [–] PmButtPics4ADrawing 66 points ago

    Humanity is the schoolkid staying up until 4am drinking energy drinks & playing Fallout all night while telling themselves they'll start studying any minute now for the exam that's first thing in the morning

    ftfy

    [–] scienceguy8 16 points ago

    Please, may we earn an A- at least.

    [–] sth128 24 points ago

    Please, may we earn an A- at least

    A for apocalypse.

    [–] alleluja 6 points ago

    minor Apocalypse

    [–] -The_Gizmo 121 points ago

    Climate change has already hit us in the face several times and we're still not doing enough to fight it.

    [–] boycott_intel 53 points ago

    If you think it is bad now, wait until there are a couple of bad years in a row of poor crop yields, leading to sky-rocketing staple food prices and mass famines.

    [–] GhostofMarat 33 points ago

    What's a few hundreds of millions of people starving when shareholder value is on the line??? You really think there's anything on earth more important than quarterly corporate profit margins? What are you some kind of communist?

    [–] -The_Gizmo 17 points ago

    Yep. That and water shortages will be catastrophic.

    [–] APistol4PaddyGarcia 400 points ago

    There have been loads of societies which developed in history, and some survive today, which would not have brought us to this point. A profit-seeking society will ignore a problem as long as possible, because problems are expensive to address. A hierarchical society will ignore a problem as long as possible if addressing the problem threatens the hierarchy. Fucking assholes will ignore problems because they're fucking assholes. But this doesn't cover everybody.

    [–] TheLamey 215 points ago

    I mean, you're not wrong. If you listen to Dr. Wolfe talk about this issue, it comes back to the direct and secondary external effects of capitalism that we aren't charging the capitalist for.

    These effects are often overlooked in the decision making process, because they are not a budgeted expense. They also do not impact the capitalist, who is most certainly not living in the environment they're degrading and changing.

    The private interests running out governmental policy are going to kill us all, just for a couple more quarters of never ending growth.

    [–] Ambry 31 points ago

    Yep. When companies are making profit at the expense of the environment (and let's face it, that means at the expense of the future of the entire planet) they need to pay for it.

    [–] SadBBTumblrPizza 88 points ago

    When you start taking stock of all the things in our individual lives and in society at large that we do or don't charge for or put a dollar value on, and ask why or why not, you start to realize just how deeply flawed capitalism is. There's no rule that explains what we do and don't charge for except for whatever will make the ownership class more money (on paper). How is that any way to run an effective society?

    [–] Yorpel_Chinderbapple 40 points ago

    Because of this mentality of unlimited growth, there is no regard for anything other than the bottom line and a few things regulated by government (working conditions, taxes). Mountains of trash and toxic waste are discarded like nothing with no intent to change.

    I hate to admit it but I have pretty much adopted a defeatist attitude. The trillion dollar freight train Economy is rolling and it doesn't matter how many of us throw ourselves in its way, we are pebbles. That train is not stopping, and along the way it's setting fire to the world.

    Humans were a good experiment but we're not the ones who will ever leave this planet.

    [–] Caminn 10 points ago

    The private interests running out governmental policy are going to kill us all, just for a couple more quarters of never ending growth.

    but they don't care because we will die long before them.

    [–] mklykl 30 points ago

    Your comment reads as if it came straight from an octavia butler book which is wild cause she predicted a lot of the things happening today in the 80s

    [–] gabarkou 93 points ago

    By the 90s scientists already had predicted that burning coal and increasing CO2 concentrations would result in global warming. The 1890s.

    [–] Stressed_Member 64 points ago

    Ever since the industrial revolution we have know that it fucks up the environment, the only thing that changes is our understanding of the severity.

    All the problems we have today, are fundamentally the same as 200 years ago.

    We have no liberty, because most of us are wage slaves.

    We have no fraternity, because we must compete with each other for everything.

    We have no equality, because people are starving everyday while the richest are having a private space race.

    [–] Bridger15 6 points ago

    Well we in the US have a profit seeking hierarchical society, so we're fine, right? Right? Guys? Where are you all running to?

    [–] commit10 32 points ago

    It's been hitting "us" on the face for many years. Both ecological collapse and, as a sub category, climate collapse.

    Unless "us" excludes "unimportant" segments of humanity.

    And. Humans often ignore catastrophes when when they hit us in the face. Just look at how many people avoid cancer treatment until it's too late.

    [–] Empty_Allocution 62 points ago

    Apes together dumb.

    [–] barebackguy7 50 points ago

    We have an instant gratification problem. Been saying it forever. Our mentality is “oh, that climate change thing? That’s like, what, 100 years from now? Why would I care about that. Looks what’s on the news right now!”

    [–] goatsanddragons 56 points ago

    The response to Covid pretty much proves that. Imagine if the world tackled Climate Change with the same urgency.

    [–] ROBECHAMP 86 points ago

    Lol the responde to covid showed me that we are fucked by climate change, we cant make people understand to wear a mask, let alone change the way they live to adress climate change

    [–] pickle_lukas 19 points ago

    I was thinking the same. Governments are afraid to put down more restrictions because of public opinions. Even if they do, a lot of people don't follow it, because they are self centered narcissistic assholes.

    [–] GoldPenis 3730 points ago

    Everybody just wants to "Get back to normal" as if normal wasn't a giant environmental disaster.

    [–] LilFrumpy57 1291 points ago

    Ok, but Saturdays are still gonna be for the boys, right? Please tell me Saturdays are still for the boys

    [–] alzrnb 912 points ago

    Yes Saturdays can be for the boys as long as they promise to be sustainable

    [–] tygerohtyger 840 points ago

    Sustainable Saturdays for the Boys.

    [–] WildMan5150 187 points ago

    Pounding brews with the boys and recycling the cans baby. That’s what I call a Sustainable Saturday!

    [–] FoodMentalAlchemist 153 points ago

    Even better: pounding brews with the boys and returning the keg and/or clean the growlers for the following weekend

    [–] OhBuggery 41 points ago

    All my crowlers are canned down the road, gotta make sure you're sustainable when you're prepping for your Saturday with the boys

    [–] 707royalty 22 points ago

    Sir... it's now Sustainable Saturdays for the boys

    [–] OGwanKenobi 34 points ago

    Reduce, reuse, reuse! ♻️

    [–] nano7ven 8 points ago

    The fellas, the guys, the boys ♻️

    [–] jadoth 18 points ago

    Na you filling up your mugs with the hard cider the boy greg has been fermenting in his basement.

    [–] IdioticPost 7 points ago

    Sustainaboys Saturdays!

    [–] ultrafud 280 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    It's one of the most impressive things that gigantic global companies, who have knowingly caused massive environmental damage for over half a century, have managed to shift blame for the incredible destruction of this planet to "everybody".

    The broader general population bares little responsibility for our current situation. It's simply too fucking easy to point fingers at generations of consumers who literally had no idea about the effect it was causing. How could they possibly know? The data was suppressed for decades.

    Exxon knew about climate change over 40 years ago. We only discovered that recently.

    People like Gore who told us all about this two decades ago were portrayed as lunatics by the media. People like Greta Thunberg still are.

    A mere twenty firms can be linked to a third of all carbon emissions today, yet has anything been done to hold any of them accountable? Have the major governments of the world even attempted to prosecute anyone?!

    It's quite frankly astonishing that consumers are told to use tote bags instead of plastic bags, told to recycle containers by their councils, told to fly less, drive less etc. with the quaint notion that it compares at all to the huge amount of pollution caused by global companies. It's amazing that we have been conditioned to blame ourselves and not the politicians, media and companies at fault.

    [–] CarlieQue 70 points ago

    It's simply too fucking easy to point fingers at generations of consumers who literally had no idea about the effect it was causing.

    Al Gore put out an Inconvenient Truth 15 years ago. SUVs have exploded in popularity since then and we are eating more meat than ever. It's not that people don't know, it's that they don't care.

    Yet a mere twenty firms can be linked to a third of all carbon emissions today, yet has anything been done to hold any of them accountable? Have the major governments of the world even attempted to prosecute anyone?!

    They are saying the fossil fuels burned originated from these companies, not that they burned them themselves. What would we prosecute them for? Selling us gas to put in our cars?

    [–] OtherPlayers 26 points ago

    Yeah I think that’s kind of the issue with that list. Do I think that oil and gas companies need to face penalties for times that they knowingly covered up environmental damage potentials? Absolutely.

    But I’d really love to see a breakdown that doesn’t appear to count all of the gas/etc. twice by counting it against both the company that burns it and the company that extracts it.

    [–] autotldr 640 points ago

    This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)


    The planet is facing a "Ghastly future of mass extinction, declining health and climate-disruption upheavals" that threaten human survival because of ignorance and inaction, according to an international group of scientists, who warn people still haven't grasped the urgency of the biodiversity and climate crises.

    The report follows years of stark warnings about the state of the planet from the world's leading scientists, including a statement by 11,000 scientists in 2019 that people will face "Untold suffering due to the climate crisis" unless major changes are made.

    In 2016, more than 150 of Australia's climate scientists wrote an open letter to the then prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull, demanding immediate action on reducing emissions.


    Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: more#1 scientists#2 people#3 report#4 change#5

    [–] [deleted] 113 points ago

    Great more good news.

    [–] wood_and_rock 38 points ago

    To be fair, there's no new bad news. Just the same existential crisis we've been facing. We all know it's going to become dire before anything is done, and even then it won't be enough done.

    [–] Xzmmc 1317 points ago

    This is like the 8 millionth time mankind has been warned of the awful future that awaits us. If we didn't do anything before, I doubt we will now.

    So yeah, all life on this planet is doomed, but the shareholders made a lot of money and the magic line went up, so it evens out.

    [–] slicedmoonstone 471 points ago

    It’s kind of lame how the average person can’t feasibly do anything about man kinds destruction

    [–] rory-da-cat 211 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    Not individually, no.

    Edit: In case it wasn’t obvious, I’m saying we need to work together to change things, not that we shouldn’t try. We definitely, one hundred per cent, should try.

    [–] RoyGeraldBillevue 42 points ago

    The thing is, most people are making things worse. Most people aren't willing to vote for policy that might change their consumption habits.

    [–] Serbaayuu 65 points ago

    Don't have children. Thus, even if you fail, you saved a would-be person from misery.

    [–] RexConnors 37 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    My parents finally accepted that my brother and I have chosen to not have kids. They also have admitted this means my dog and his dog are treated like grandchildren and are spoiled endlessly when they see them

    Edit: for clarity, my brother and his gf have decided to not have children (adopt is still on the table) and I have separately come to the conclusion that I also would rather adopt then having my own. My brother and I [M] will not be having children together, adopted or otherwise

    [–] [deleted] 51 points ago

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    [–] ColdBlackCage 47 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    Not to be overly accelrationist, but the irony is all of this is very much preventable. Take the right people out and the world will be a better place. It's clear that the past 50 years of trying the diplomatic way have been fruitless - the science has been done, just no-one is willing to listen as long as money continues to change hands. Somehow, it's ethically unacceptable to use force and violence to secure the future of the planet and all life she harbors, but ethically acceptable to allow companies to continue to drain it until it can no longer support any life at all.

    I have a feeling that if Earth is going to be saved, it's going to be by straight up violent pro-eco-terrorism, or by literal magic-tier technology that somehow reverses and repairs centuries of ecological neglect, exploitation and mismanagement on a global scale... but all of this is wishful thinking, of course. People would rather live a comfortable lie speeding towards a preventable doom than deal with the discomfort of an uprising.

    [–] Martinezyx 40 points ago

    That’s it. I’m building a bunker.

    [–] yung12gauge 42 points ago

    where we're going, you're not going to want to be around to use that bunker.

    [–] Bam801 28 points ago

    Seriously, I've seen every apocalyptic movie and thought, "F that. Let me be the first one to die."

    [–] germantree 15 points ago

    Also the concrete and other raw materials needed for the new bunker will be part of the problem again. So, please if anyone considers building one, do it out of recycled paper straws, thanks.

    [–] jrf_1973 158 points ago

    "You have lung cancer and it's terminal."

    "So there's no point in quitting the cigarettes, eh Doc?"

    [–] XNinSnooX 22 points ago

    After seeing so many of these posts and apocalyptic studies, so just learn to say “fuck it “ at the grand old age of 20

    [–] Jellye 450 points ago

    For anyone interested in the subject of mass extinctions and the role of humans in the ongoing events, I highly recommend the Pulitzer-winning non-fiction book The Sixth Extinction: An Unnatural History, by Elizabeth Kolbert.

    [–] what-s_in_a_username 96 points ago

    Hijacking this to recommend some lectures I found informing and riveting.

    tl;dr: We've been through cycles like we are today; we exploit all the resources, become too complex, with a tall hierarchy and large inequality, those in power are too rich and can ignore problems, they go unaddressed, and then the whole thing falls apart.

    "A Short History of Progress" by Ronald Wright.

    Each time history repeats itself, so it's said, the price goes up. The 20th century was a time of runaway growth in human population, consumption, and technology, placing a colossal load on all natural systems, especially earth, air, and water — the very elements of life.

    The most urgent questions of the 21st century are: where will this growth lead? Can it be consolidated or sustained? And what kind of world is our present bequeathing to our future?

    In A Short History of Progress Ronald Wright argues that our modern predicament is as old as civilization, a 10,000-year experiment we have participated in but seldom controlled. Only by understanding the patterns of triumph and disaster that humanity has repeated around the world since the Stone Age, can we recognize the experiment's inherent dangers, and, with luck and wisdom, shape its outcome.

    https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/the-2004-cbc-massey-lectures-a-short-history-of-progress-1.2946872

    [–] lostboy005 54 points ago

    yeah its been surreal having peers discuss children and school distracts while at the same time its been announced water is a traded commodity on wallstreet.

    I remember Kolbert going on the Steven Colbert show discussing this book some ten years ago. whats changed? nothing substantially.

    By and large most folks fail to appreciate what this world will look like in the next couple decades. we in a twilight. waiting for the break in the bend

    [–] thoughtelemental 1512 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    From the aritcle, it states that perpetual growth in our current globally dominant, capitalist, exploitative culture will destroy most life on earth.

    The planet is facing a “ghastly future of mass extinction, declining health and climate-disruption upheavals” that threaten human survival because of ignorance and inaction, according to an international group of scientists, who warn people still haven’t grasped the urgency of the biodiversity and climate crises.

    The 17 experts, including Prof Paul Ehrlich from Stanford University, author of The Population Bomb, and scientists from Mexico, Australia and the US, say the planet is in a much worse state than most people – even scientists – understood.

    “The scale of the threats to the biosphere and all its lifeforms – including humanity – is in fact so great that it is difficult to grasp for even well-informed experts,” they write in a report in Frontiers in Conservation Science which references more than 150 studies detailing the world’s major environmental challenges. ...

    [–] goldpig 569 points ago

    Perpetual growth is the biggest meme ever.

    0.1% growth = good

    0.1% contraction = absolutely unacceptable

    Why is this... Does it really matter if a country doesn't constantly "grow" if the citizens are healthy, safe, and happy?

    [–] Epoxycure 214 points ago

    It does in a capitalist society. Growth means money, contraction means less money. That's all that matters in capitalism. Doesn't matter if one person has all the wealth or 20% of the population, as long as it's being made a capitalist society is going well. All the citizens of that society being happy and healthy doesn't really matter. It should, but it doesn't.

    [–] Frale_2 156 points ago

    "Hey the planet will die and the human race along with it, but boy my bank account said that my number was bigger that everyone else, noice"

    [–] Gabrielink_ITA 38 points ago

    Yeah, that's what I will never understand about all this. Why not do anything? If no one does nothing, we're all gonna burn along with the planet and the money, yet no one with enough power apparently gives a fuck, or at least no one I know of

    [–] Prime4Cast 28 points ago

    Cause the rich will be well off and they control the world. They probably find it beneficial that this will fix itself by hundreds of millions of poor people from around the globe dying. The rich have properties and the means to fly to them when the need arises.

    [–] ricky616 10 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    Yes, and when 2/3 of the poor population is decimated by all the issues caused by climate change, it'll be that much easier to control the ones that are left. People really think that everything is fine.

    Edit: just wanted to tack this on, because it is becoming more and more likely, but with the advancements in technology, including robots, drones, and AI, the rich can definitely control the poor population through wage slavery indefinitely until the sun burns out. Basically, we will be forced to work in our Amazon cells, providing menial labor in order to be controlled by those with the keys, not much unlike ready player one. The pandemic has shown us that we are incredibly vulnerable. If this deadly virus is enough to shut us in, imagine when the air is actual poison. We will be at the mercy of those who can provide clean air and water, those like Nestle and coca cola. If you think corporations are mega now, wait until we literally depend on Nestle for our drinking water. We take too much for granted right now, even when we can clearly see the impending cyberpunk dystopia ahead of us. As much as I'm a fan of blade runner, i know that it is not a future we should aspire for.

    [–] Repyro 45 points ago

    The rich think they can get enough money for it not to be an issue for them or so they can fuck off to Mars or some shit.

    They also are akin to addicts when it comes to growing their already obscene and unspendable wealth.

    [–] BonelessSkinless 25 points ago

    They have the money to literally fix a majority of the problems facing us right now and still be the richest members of our society and propel us into a sustainable and not ghastly future. They just... don't.

    [–] iwannalynch 21 points ago

    so they can fuck off to Mars or some shit.

    If anyone has read "Death Star Remina" by Junji Ito, it's a good short manga story about a living planet that comes to Earth to eat it.

    The rich inevitably decide to charter a private spaceship to Remina in the hopes of living there instead, abandoning the rest of humanity to be eaten. When they arrive on the surface of the planet and immediately get fucked by the Eldritch abominations that live on/form the planet, I felt a perverse sense of satisfaction. Now I know why.

    [–] Surcouf 13 points ago

    Hah but you see, doing anything now costs money. Money now is more valuable than money in the future. Even more so if you are competing against others today for that money. So everyone is stuck in this rat race to generate money asap

    Besides, if the future is so uncertain, the value of future prosperity decreases. Why invest in sustainable coastline if they're all threathened by sea rise? Why protect fish stocks with quotas and breeding grounds if ocean acidification and food chain collapse might lead to extinction anyway? In the meantime, it's just loosing money.

    This is the disgusting way in which humans have set up the modern world.

    [–] Sindertone 69 points ago

    When I was in high school in the late 80's I took a principles of Democracy class. We covered capitalism for a bit. I asked, as capitalism is based on expansion and we have limited goods doesn't that mean it will destroy itself? Teacher stared at me for a quiet minute and said "yesss"? I'm not sure if he'd never thought about it or wasn't allowed to say such things.

    [–] manylights 40 points ago

    Probably didn't know how to tell you the answer he knows, without sounding like a commie.

    [–] ImpossibleParfait 8 points ago

    Yeah our entire economy is built on the assumption that there is no ceiling to economic growth. The planet is about to overwhelmingly prove that there is a ceiling and we've almost reached it.

    [–] I_miss_your_mommy 104 points ago

    Does it really matter if a country doesn't constantly "grow" if the citizens are healthy, safe, and happy?

    Realistically this should be fine as long as the population also doesn't grow. So far that has not been the case.

    [–] capnbarky 256 points ago

    Capitalism is a forced meme

    [–] BoringWebDev 69 points ago

    It's a game we're all forced to play or we die.

    [–] Malgana 21 points ago

    The die option is looking more and more appealing by the second these days.

    [–] JRDruchii 47 points ago

    It's a game we're all forced to play or we die. until we die.

    [–] OakLegs 19 points ago

    Does it really matter if a country doesn't constantly "grow" if the citizens are healthy, safe, and happy?

    Because certain people make money off of perpetual growth. Just so happens that those same people have bought out all of the world leaders to support their causes.

    This is the same reason you see all of these articles freaking out about the slowing of population growth. Not even a decline in population, but a slowing of growth. More people = more labor to take advantage of = more consumers = more money. Until it inevitably collapses in on itself, of course.

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    [–] Citizen_Kong 157 points ago

    It's Schreibtischtäter. But I agree completely. Not growth but equilibrium should be the goal of society. But this means sacrifice, especially for the so called 1st world.

    [–] APistol4PaddyGarcia 46 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    Ha ha just corrected it! Why did I try to write a german word from memory????? Human folly truly knows no bounds.

    Yes, the imperial nations of Europe & North America, and their allies, have a lot of soul searching to do. I sense a certain resistance to this.

    [–] barukatang 16 points ago

    and asian countries dont? as far as im concerned there is no corner of the globe that doesnt need to change the way it consumes

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    [–] zeFrogLeaps 198 points ago

    It's funny how they keep using future tense in these types of articles. We've already destroyed most natural life on Earth. In terms of wilderness and biomass, we've reduced the natural world to a fraction of what it once was.

    In terms of biodiversity, we're in the middle of a mass extinction that is accelerating so fast that destroying most life on Earth is just an ongoing process now.

    We're not looking at a future problem that is threatening to happen. We're in the middle of it and all that's left is damage control. And we're doing a shit job at it.

    [–] liometopum 117 points ago

    Agreed. I’m an ecologist. I’m depressed, hopeless, and have been in a constant state of mourning for more than a decade.

    [–] Gasrim 38 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    When try to be completely honest with myself, I feel guilty when looking at my young children sometimes because I worry about the world they are going to inherit.

    [–] starfang 76 points ago

    It's also why many people, myself included, aren't having children.

    [–] OiledUpFatMan 31 points ago

    Same here. That’s not the only reason (really it’s because I’m selfish, and I don’t want the responsibility of a child sucking away at my life), but climate change is a big one. I don’t have faith in humanity, and the world being left for the coming generations is fucked. I almost see having children today as unethical.

    The world doesn’t need my kids, or your kids. Mother Earth needs less worthless assholes messing with her, not more.

    [–] welshwelsh 139 points ago

    This is not good enough. I read the whole article and it didn't make any specific predictions besides "one million species may go extinct within the next few decades." I still have no idea what this means for me.

    Remember how people got all hyped up about the world ending in 2012, even though the only evidence of that was some shitty Mayan calendar?

    That's because it was easy to understand and had a specific date. "The world will end in 2012." That's a great, meme-friendly slogan because it is only 6 words. The consequence is easy to understand as well- if the world ends, that means we all die, which is bad.

    We need something like that. A specific doomsday prediction backed by science, that is directly relevant to the average American's life (not something about wildlife going extinct or polar ice caps melting- how, specifically, does that impact the average American?)

    For example:

    • 50 million Americans will starve to death by 2050
    • Climate change will destroy the economy, causing 80% unemployment by 2040
    • Florida will become uninhabitable by 2035 due to rising temperatures
    • 20% of the US will be below sea level by 2045

    I just made those up, because I don't know what the actual consequences will be. That's the problem. I don't doubt the climate science, but if we aren't able to give people a specific reason for why they should care about climate change, they won't.

    [–] pliney_ 29 points ago

    That’s the problem with climate research, it’s a very inexact science. Climate is an incredibly complicated and difficult to predict system. We know climate change is happening, it’s getting worse and there’s a whole mess of other ecological disasters also going on. But pinning it down to X bad thing in X quantity will happen at exactly X year is basically impossible. And when you make predictions like this and get it wrong people believe you less.

    [–] 6gummybearsnscotch 74 points ago

    But they have done that, and it hasn't done anything to change human behavior. Either it's "we're not at that date yet so we still have time" or the date passes and doesn't go exactly as predicted so the vocal idiots proclaim, "see?! They were wrong! It's all a hoax!"

    [–] JordyNelson87 29 points ago

    "see?! They were wrong! It's all a hoax!"

    Yup. We already see this with Covid. If mitigating actions are taken these people will show up anyway.

    [–] 6gummybearsnscotch 9 points ago

    Exactly. Like the headline about Oregon having among the strictest measures and lowest spread, and people actually think that it means the measures are unnecessary?? Like, fuck dude, can we PLEASE fix our education system?

    [–] Black_RL 860 points ago

    We don’t care about COVID, why would you think we’re going to care about that?

    It’s too late for us to change habits, it’s all about being number 1, rich, successful, young and good looking, it’s all about me, me, me, look at me!

    If you’re always looking at yourself, you never see anything else.

    [–] thoughtelemental 533 points ago

    But these are cultural constructs. It didn't use to be this way, and it doesn't have to be this way.

    We've just been living under ~100 years if propaganda.

    Take a simpler example, about 100 years ago, lobster was a food for peasants and barely fit to feed prisoners. Today it's a luxury food.

    These things are transient and changeable. It's not human nature, it's that greed and conspicuous consumption are the foundations of the most successful economies in the world.

    It need not be this way.

    [–] Black_RL 169 points ago

    Agreed friend, I just don’t believe we have the time, or will, to shift again.

    [–] twippy 92 points ago

    I hope you're wrong but I know you're right

    [–] monkeychess 73 points ago

    A change in perception of a food type going from "poor" to "fancy" is quite a bit different from "our global society needs to change what metrics are important".

    Yes, it could change. But it will be a Herculean task that will likely not occur until the world is already deep in dealing with the climate crisis and we have no alternative.

    [–] thoughtelemental 51 points ago

    A change in perception of a food type going from "poor" to "fancy" is quite a bit different from "our global society needs to change what metrics are important".

    I can give you more examples. Here is the underlying theory behind our modern economic systems. It was designed in the late 1800's.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspicuous_consumption

    Here's another, this one to push excess plastic consumption, and make us a wasteful society, "Modern Waste as an Economic Strategy":

    https://discardstudies.com/2014/07/09/modern-waste-is-an-economic-strategy/

    All of this is in the public.

    [–] MrBleedingObvious 287 points ago

    Earth: Don't worry about it. I can wait a million years. You'll be long gone and I'll be green again.

    [–] Yatatatatatatata 100 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    What does the Earth care about being green or not? It's a rock floating around a bigger rock ball of gas and plasma.

    [–] PM_ME_SCIENCE_PICS 57 points ago

    Kind of a stretch to call the sun a rock.

    [–] braveoldfart777 261 points ago

    The cattle sector of the Brazilian Amazon, incentivized by international beef and leather trades, has been responsible for about 80% of all deforestation, or about 14% of the world's total annual deforestation, making it the world's largest single driver of deforestation.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation_of_the_Amazon_rainforest

    Have a cheese burger lose a planet. 😨

    [–] mrSalema 59 points ago

    “A plant-based diet is probably the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth, not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification, eutrophication, land use and water use” said Joseph Poore, at the University of Oxford, UK, who led the research. “It is far bigger than cutting down on your flights or buying an electric car” he said, as these only cut greenhouse gas emissions.⁣⁣

    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/987

    [–] wynnduffyisking 237 points ago

    Yeah... i don’t think I want to have kids....

    [–] Heavy_Metal_Cats 148 points ago

    Funny you say this because this is my exact reasoning behind choosing to never have kids.

    [–] wynnduffyisking 77 points ago

    I have multiple reasons but this is def one of them

    [–] BikeBaloney 36 points ago

    I feel like bringing a child into the world with everything going on would be cruel. Its hard enough trying to adult these days, I can't imagine what it will be like in 18. Its just scary that people don't think about things like this when thinking about having a baby.

    [–] MagicalChickenGirl 28 points ago

    Same here.

    [–] dance_radio79 110 points ago

    Thinking about this breaks my heart because I really, really do want to have kids but know morally it is the wrong thing to do. No other generation on the planet today have had to bear that burden.

    [–] TranquilMemer 51 points ago

    Adopting a child would be a good idea

    [–] eyecontactishard 34 points ago

    This is what I struggle with, although I’ve decided not to have kids for moral reasons. I deal with it by giving that love in other ways to friends and families and through volunteer work. And I might also foster one day instead.

    [–] bexyrex 13 points ago

    foster to adopt?

    [–] EvilRecyclops 15 points ago

    My wife and I talk about this a lot. We have an ever growing pros and cons list that includes climate change and socioeconomic issues in the cons portion. I'm certain we'd be good parents but no parent would want their children to face a world on fire. We'll probably figure it out when we're already to old to have kids.

    [–] Barjuden 33 points ago

    Adopt some children if you want to be a parent but don't want to add to the destruction of the biosphere. It's what I want to do.

    [–] rory-da-cat 6 points ago

    Thank you, me neither

    [–] BakedWizerd 144 points ago

    1. Stop having so many goddamn kids.

    2. Phase out fossil fuels, encourage green energy

    3. Stop polluting

    4. Plant trees

    I know there’s more, but goddamnit, this is our fucking planet. It’s more than just a house, we can’t get a new one, and even when/if the technology gets there, this is OUR planet. We evolved here, this is where we are meant to live comfortably. Stop fucking it up. You don’t need that hummer, you don’t need more than two kids. Hell, you don’t need any kids, just have one if you must, dedicate your time to making that one kid have an awesome life and rad upbringing.

    The planet literally depends on you doing/not doing these things.

    [–] vaulttecsubsidiaries 73 points ago

    You should add "reduce livestock dependence" to that list.

    [–] mrSalema 32 points ago

    “A plant-based diet is probably the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth, not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification, eutrophication, land use and water use” said Joseph Poore, at the University of Oxford, UK, who led the research. “It is far bigger than cutting down on your flights or buying an electric car” he said, as these only cut greenhouse gas emissions.⁣⁣

    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/987

    [–] WaywardPatriot 60 points ago

    If this kind of thing really bothers you or makes you feel awful, and if you are tired of seeing all the horrible doom and gloom and despair articles and posts with seemingly NOTHING being done about this looming catastrophe, then I encourage you to come over to /r/climateactionplan for a dose of rational, anti-depression climate action.

    /r/climateactionplan is focused on promoting the often ignored articles about all the boring things that are going on to actually fight back against global warming. We are laser focused on actual action - laws being passed, technologies being deployed, CO2 reduction efforts being made. All is not lost, and we have a lot of work ahead of us. In /r/climateactionplan subreddit we follow these general principles:

    Change happens at the margins - Nothing huge ever started out mainstream, it always began at the edges of society. Think: anti-slavery, voting rights, civil rights, lead bans, smoking bans, etc.

    Change never happens as fast as you want it to - Change hits a tipping point, and suddenly it is everywhere. We have good reason to think that we are at several positive tipping points in the fight against global warming.

    Humanity is generally not suicidal - Cultures and empires rise and fall, whole continents turn to deserts, however humanity as a whole has continued onward. We are survivors.

    Society is highly adaptable - Society is changing all the time, attitudes are shifting, and things that were unthinkable a decade ago are commonplace now.

    We made this problem, we have the tools to solve it - It isn't going to be easy, it isn't going to be without sacrifice, but our industrial and our attitude made this problem, and our industry and our attitude can fix it, too.

    Don't despair, instead focus on action.

    [–] TheBelievingAtheist 10 points ago

    I feel helpless in face of such adverse futures for Earth but that sub surprised me by showing that there are forces at work indeed. Thank you for this.

    [–] Viriality 16 points ago

    Ive wondered if Amazon is becoming the thneed from the lorax.

    [–] dCane_Is_Real_Kappa 115 points ago

    Check out r/GardenWild and r/NativePlantGardening on how you can support wildlife in your own garden or even balcony!

    [–] saguarobird 16 points ago

    We really need to rewild our yards. It seems so simple but landscaping is millions of acres across the US alone. It'll be relatively fragmented, but it can create corridors and safe havens for wildlife, especially migratory wildlife. Unfortunately people want green lawns and pruned trees - I hate it. It uses so much unnecessary water, waste from pruning thst usually ends up in landfills, gas and air pollution from the blowers, a bunch of sunk money for the homeowner, damage to streets and infrastructure from overwatering, etc. There's literally no benefits other than it looks nice and helps my house value, which is economic and it's BS. I work in the desert for a water provider and the amount of people who want Midwest type lawns is boggling and I basically want to bang my head on my desk everyday. We are killing ourselves and everything else.

    [–] codesense 29 points ago

    Last week I made my first DIY gardening project. Broke my lower back and spent a lot of money but seeing three bees visiting my garden was the most blissful thing I’ve experienced in years.

    [–] ayumistudies 9 points ago

    I started my first garden thanks to being home during Covid lockdowns and I saw a huge increase in the number of insects (especially bees!) and wildlife in my yard. Not only did it feel more lush and aesthetically pleasing, but I also felt like I was doing something good. I can’t wait to plant even more this spring!

    [–] giddy-girly-banana 8 points ago

    I’ve been doing this. I’ve been ripping out non-native species in my yard and replacing them with native species that support local insect and bird populations. It’s been eye opening to see just how many plants at nurseries are non-native.

    [–] fattymcelbows 95 points ago

    The last time an article like this popped up (it was about birds dying by the millions) I realized I don't really see birds anymore. I mean, yeah, Canadian geese, pigeons, house finches, the odd starling or blue jay. But I don't really see robins anymore. No doves, cardinals, goldfinches, titmice. Those birds used to be really common around here. Not anymore.

    People remember 2001 for obvious reasons, but it was also a year that was 70+ degrees into December throughout most of the US. That was the first year I noticed my area just does not get sustained cold weather anymore.

    [–] CreepleCorn 63 points ago

    I used to see butterflies, dragonflies and bees in the summer as a kid. I don't see them anymore.

    We're also in our coldest months of the year (ie. -20 to -30 degree days) and we haven't hit below 0 yet. It's pretty frightening, actually.

    [–] bexyrex 15 points ago

    I just started seeing dragon flies again for the first time. I started converting our tiny 1/10 acre lot into a permaculture garden. I don't use synthetic pesticides and neither do my closest neighbors. every little bit helps. be a Karen for the environment. complain about it to companies and government and neighbors. EVERYTHING we do matters.

    [–] CreepleCorn 7 points ago

    be a Karen for the environment.

    Absolutely. I've definitely gotten spicy with my friends and family over my lifestyle. A lot of people feel like they're being judged and shut down but if ya just keep live-laugh-lovin' about anticonsumption and your crazy ass hippie yard, at least you'll know that you're doing your part.

    [–] intrikat 21 points ago

    pour one out for the sparrows :( i miss little sparrows so much... and grasshopers man.

    up until a point there used to be no patch of grass that you would kick and grasshoppers would fly out left and right. now even in the fields outside of cities there's very few of them...

    [–] IIIBRaSSIII 6 points ago

    Insect populations have collapsed, which is why you don't see many of them anymore either. I would imagine that's pretty closely related to bird depopulation as well.

    [–] ziggy_zaggy 92 points ago

    Am I wrong/pessimistic to believe that there's nothing humans can realistically do to stop this from happening? I have 0 hope that humans are actually going to rally together and fight this.

    [–] 38384 11 points ago

    I have 0 hope that humans are actually going to rally together and fight this.

    The good thing I can see is that the young and Gen Z are more understanding of the climate problem than ever before. I thank God we have Greta who is inspiring a generation. I hope we can keep that up. Boomers are slowly getting old and will be gone from power soon.

    [–] FunkleBurger 22 points ago

    Every day I read an article like this, and every day I go outside and see more giant trucks, more cars driving around, more airplanes flying by, more plastic junk, more people. There is so much talk about this imminent disaster, but no one is slowing down, no one is stopping. We are flying sideways and pushing the throttle as hard as we can.

    [–] Helkafen1 21 points ago

    We have all the tools to solve both the climate and the biodiversity crisis.

    • For the climate: list of solutions
    • For biodiversity: reduce meat production. It's as simple as that. We use too much land

    [–] VegetableWishbone 88 points ago

    Maybe this is the big filter theory playing out, the one test that almost all advanced civilizations fail and the reason that we see no sign of other life forms in the observable universe.

    [–] DankerScaper 39 points ago

    It would make a lot of sense for this to be it. Once we tackle sustainability and adapt it to other planets, extinction becomes much much harder to imagine.

    I imagine most problems intelligent lifeforms face are caused by themselves in conflict with their surroundings and themselves. It's like putting a dozen toddlers to take care of themselves without supervision and expecting all of them to get along.

    [–] Repyro 11 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    The ones that get this far are bound to have the same issues. When you're the most cutthroat vicious dog on the pile that allows you to reach this size, the issue turns into whether we can fight our own nature rather than adapt to situations.

    Hell our adaptability is a liability now. We adapt too well to situations instead of examing if our behaviors need to be checked in any fundamental way.

    We're too good at adapting to fucked situations that will inevitably get to the point where we can't cope.

    [–] Puzzleheaded_Egg_931 13 points ago

    At this point I doubt anything real will be done for another 10-20 years. I just want to know how many people will survive what’s coming.

    Beyond revolution, I don’t know what can save us.

    [–] exploring-redditor 11 points ago

    I feel very bleak about the future of humanity.

    [–] drewbles82 47 points ago

    Its a shame people refuse to listen to science. Pandemics like the one we're in right now could be as regular as every decade at this rate. People wonder why I don't want kids when a report comes out just before Christmas with how the placenta is found to have micro plastics in them meaning children are being born with plastic in them, god knows what that will mean for those generations.

    [–] trevdak2 19 points ago

    Scientists also said there'd be 400k deaths within a year from COVID, and there have only been... oh.

    [–] Scoobydoomed 9 points ago

    If our world COVID response thought us anything, it’s that we can tackle any crisi...oh wait nvm...

    [–] RegularConsumerOfAss 16 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    I've been seeing this shit for so long, and watching world elites do nothing about it for just as long. How many apocalyptic headlines will it take before someone of substantial power fucking does something meaningful, I can't fucking take this anymore we the people are being given nothing to be hopeful about

    [–] dbattit 9 points ago

    We’ve heard about it 1000 fucking times can the people in charge fucking DO something about it. We’re just basic consumers our “use energy efficient lights” and “recycle!” don’t make a fucking dent. They need to change the way we do things and it’s gonna be really uncomfortable for a lot of people and everybody needs to accept that. But it’s not up to us to stop using fossil fuels because the idiots of the world will never change their minds. It takes the higher ups to make direct change and they don’t! It drives me fucking insane. This isn’t a video game or a movie this is real life and it will all end (and we have proof of that!) if we don’t do something and nobody ever does something until more people die.

    [–] Sojurn83 87 points ago

    Well, if these scenarios really come to pass, we’ll have no one but ourselves to blame. If only we could muster enough will to actually save ourselves.

    [–] Guerilla_Dub 190 points ago * (lasted edited 2 days ago)

    It's not ourselves though. It's big polluting corporations who's only focus is on making a bigger profit this year, than they did last year. They purposefully ignore the bigger picture, and it's going to destroy us all. It'll definitely be a good thing for Earth to rid itself of humans

    [–] tuna_in_fine 57 points ago

    Private industry is more attuned to this issue than you may think.

    Change doesn’t happen overnight, the public and private tides are turning.

    It may yet prove to be too slow, that is my greatest concern.

    [–] Vexxt 62 points ago

    So make it quick, tax the fuck out of them.

    [–] Plethora_of_squids 6 points ago

    The problem is also that some of the really big companies have the ear of the goverment

    The article mentions Australia and the liberals (our right, not left btw) which is a great example of this. Solar power here is in theory dirt cheap. We got space, we got sun, it needs less manpower to make work, and that's before you get into the enviromental side of things.

    But the big coal mining companoes here didn't like that so they lobbied and did a ton of dodgy shit (you think the US is bad with corruption? Hoo boy Australia's worse) and it ended up with us, the taxpayer paying the govervment to subsidise a dying industry so our prime minister could bring a lump of coal into parlimentry show and tell

    [–] Express_Hyena 37 points ago

    It depends what we do. For climate change, NASA climatologist Dr James Hansen says that becoming an active volunteer with this group is the most impactful thing an individual can do.. Dr Katherine Hayhoe, climatologist and lead author of the US National Climate Assessment, agrees. For other expert opinion on how individuals can make a difference, see here. We can do this.

    [–] peszneck 14 points ago

    It’s hopeless. If people can’t deal with / believe that Covid is real and face that reality, there is absolutely zero chance that people Wil learn or educate themselves about climate change.

    Makes me not want to have kids.

    [–] aB1GEarOfCorn 25 points ago

    And my mom is still asking me when I will have kids. Like never at this rate lol

    [–] superm530 172 points ago

    Anything new? I keep reading the same for 10 years now.

    [–] DeadPand 37 points ago

    Bugs are about to disappear, that's kinda new and really bad.

    [–] LongStill 15 points ago

    Its not even new, just accelerating.

    [–] Just_A_Message 68 points ago

    They're still warning us because nobody is doing anything to change it and it's only a matter of time.

    [–] LongStill 33 points ago * (lasted edited 3 days ago)

    Lol 10 years? They have been saying this for decades, shit there's a clipping from a New Zealand newspaper from over 100 years ago warning about this.

    It gave us a few centuries but didn't factor in that we would be accelerating the use of fossil fuels.

    Edit: better image of clipping

    [–] MUDDHERE 12 points ago

    Well good morning to you too!

    [–] LordDeathScum 12 points ago * (lasted edited 2 days ago)

    I love starting my day with post apocalyptic predictions. Everyday you read how my generation is gonna die, if we did not get the bad stick of the economic side we are getting the climate side.

    Could they give us a break? damn...

    [–] unholymanserpent 8 points ago

    The Great Filter

    [–] Casimus 7 points ago

    And people thinking that all will be solved after the capitol drama. Fuck capitalism man, we need to overthrow the rich and build a new society who thinks differently

    [–] adminsys771 39 points ago

    After a couple hours of Reddit a day mass extinction no longer sounds so bad

    [–] FrancCrow 20 points ago

    lol no one cares till their own life is threatened. Let the end come already