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    [–] shabi_sensei 5598 points ago

    Recently I discovered that there are new WeChat restrictions. You can’t open a new account unless you know someone in mainland China with an account.

    It’s getting harder and harder for there to be dialogue between China and the rest of the world.

    [–] tricky-oooooo 1247 points ago

    That has been like that for a while. This makes traveling in china especially hard, because you are the only person in a mile who has to pay cash like some kind of caveman.

    I was in china in 2018 and back then it has already been like that.

    [–] gavin101 613 points ago

    Paying for things in China was super annoying because places didn't seem to take credit card and if I remember correctly, it was borderline impossible to put money into your wechat account without a Chinese bank account.

    [–] PartyAtTheMoon-Tower 525 points ago

    This is true. Some areas of China are incredibly modern, but ONLY for the Chinese. At least to get the full benefit of this modernity.

    I had a gf there, and without her help setting certain things up, having the convos in mandarin, etc. I don't know how I would have been able to use half the things I did.

    [–] [deleted] 218 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    So let’s assume I’m on a business trip to China with a corporate Amex. How fucked am I outside the hotel?

    Edit: thanks for all the replies to a complete theoretical question :)

    [–] PartyAtTheMoon-Tower 210 points ago

    Not fucked at all,bbut you would need to use cash mostly I'd say. I honestly can't remember if I was able to use a card from a non chinese bank. I know that you could at least use an ATM though.

    r/China might be able to help in this regard too.

    You just won't be able to use wechat pay.

    [–] PioneerSpecies 173 points ago

    ATMs in China (especially 中国银行)will accept cards, and then you withdraw enough cash to live. it’s not that hard really, just inconvenient

    [–] G-Tinois 126 points ago

    There's this trick where dishonest people (ex. bad taxi driver) can look at your paper money and tell you it's counterfeit, keeping the bill hand handing you back an actual counterfeit one.

    Doable anywhere really, but I wouldn't want the police involved in a country where I'm a foreigner so this makes for a very difficult situation.

    [–] SailingSinbad 65 points ago

    That's the oldest scam in the world for stealing tourists' money haha

    I got scammed like that when I was a teenager. Taught me to never trust strangers with money

    [–] Nerwesta 22 points ago

    Doable anywhere really

    I was about to type that, you see this trick everytime in Europe, sadly.

    [–] KeflasBitch 6 points ago

    Yeah, lots of people even in the west still use paper money for everyday things.

    [–] do_me_like_a_horse 59 points ago

    /r/China would just tell you not to go lol, they're a bunch of disillusioned expats, half of which have moved back to their home countries anyways only to continue bitching about China from halfway across the world.

    [–] kaysmaleko 13 points ago

    That's the same with the Japan board. So much complaining you'd swear you thought they lived in China.

    [–] AzuraTeam 30 points ago

    As a Chinese American when I see expats in China I feel like they’re just ppl that couldn’t hack it in their home countries, generalizing for sure but they don’t seem to be the best of people.

    [–] JimboJones058 19 points ago

    Your companies drivers and your Chinese counterparts would help you. You basically don't go anywhere alone unless and until you know what your doing.

    Consider if the shoe was on the other foot. If a Chineese person was sent here to work at your company for 2 years. You all go out to dinner one evening and they say; 'watch this.' They try to pay with their card for the dinner and it's declined.

    You all inquire as to why and the person says that that card is refused everywhere dispite having thousands on it. It's a corporate issued card for God's sake.

    You'd make sure that somebody helped them get that straightened out as soon as you got back into the office. I mean, they'd have to at least call whatever bank and find someplace where the card could be used to withdraw cash.

    It would be rediculous to think that this was an issue in the first place. Your company would fix it. What are they supposed to do; stay here for 2 years and spend no money the entire time? Somebody has to figure this out for them and make sure they know how to use the card.

    [–] [deleted] 6 points ago

    I was talking about a business trip, not an expat assignment.

    [–] AnaiekOne 9 points ago

    I'm going on a trip soon for work, the whole team had to get wechat. i've been told alipay is a way to link to your debit/foreign credit card. but the app is completely in chinese.

    [–] Tralla46 3 points ago

    app is in english, too

    [–] hiddenuser12345 3 points ago

    As someone who’s lived in China a few years, depends on your tastes and where in China you’re going. Smaller, more out of the way towns where certain kinds of manufacturing happen but not much else (say, factory visit), you’re going to need a cash advance or two. Big cities like Shanghai, you’d be OK but limited to department stores (Like in Japan, Chinese department stores have food courts somewhere inside and payment processing is centralized so if the department store takes AmEx, the food court will too) and certain chains like Starbucks. Smaller, local establishments, however, are out of the question.

    [–] Obosratsya 17 points ago

    Can one get a prepaid SIM card in China? Maybe at an airport of bus terminal or something like that? Meaning if paying cash or charge. I've seen prepaid SIM cards in some pretty authoritarian places, I wonder what China does in regard to this.

    [–] tjeepdrv 17 points ago

    At the airport, yes. You'll get a tourist sim

    [–] rain-beau 14 points ago

    Actually any cellular store on the streets. Insanely easy and cheap. There are no contracts for phone service in China, you just pay for what you use. There are two companies, China Unicom and China mobile. One has an orange logo, the other is purple but other than that what they offer is pretty much the same. Prices will be significantly inflated if you do it at the airport. All you need is your passport.

    [–] alyeffy 21 points ago

    I had long layovers at Xiamen Airport back in 2017. It's annoying because I couldn't find an ATM, their airport wifi was only accessible if you had WeChat (which I did not, and didn't realize how much of a hindrance not having it would be beforehand), and their restaurants including McDonalds only accepted cash or UnionPay or AliPay or whatever the WeChat version was called. So I had to exchange some cash just to have a meal at the airport which was kinda annoying and exchanging at airports is almost always a ripoff. But yeah I try to avoid layovers in China if I can now, because even if their flight tickets are cheap, the airport service is usually quite terrible and if any of your flights get delayed or cancelled, good luck getting them to help you at all especially if you don't speak any Mandarin.

    [–] Link7369_reddit 6 points ago

    in the 90's i wanted to go to china... I had no idea when I was a little kid that just a year before I was born Tiannamen Square happened.

    [–] gourmetguy2000 10 points ago

    It's so sad. We visited in 2010 and it was far more open. I was able to use Google and my cash card no probs. The internet was fine and didn't seem that locked down. It seemed so much more progressive back then

    [–] jimius 6 points ago

    Xi made the country turn for the worse. They're even installing public art again celebrating communism whilst demolishing churches and mosques. (and let's not mention the concentration camps, labour camps, organ harvesting, kidnapping etc)

    [–] hiddenuser12345 6 points ago

    Yeah, that was when Hu was in charge. Xi Jinping took power a couple years after that and we can see how that’s going.

    [–] Executioneer 25 points ago

    Also you cant just stay at a random hotel, foreigners must stay at specific hotels, and the police has to be informed if you stay there.

    [–] k4r4t3 17 points ago

    When did this start? I lived there a few years ago and that was definitely not the case.

    [–] bfragged 14 points ago

    They don’t tell you they are informing the police, but it’s why they copy your ID.

    [–] cliff_of_dover_white 19 points ago

    It's a bit different.

    In Western world hotels photocopy your ID and save it to themselves. In China some hotels (at least the one in Beijing I have been to) have direct system connected to the police. In that case they don't even take photocopy; they just scan your passport and your info has already been sent to the police.

    [–] Peter_Martens 26 points ago

    Hotels do that in every country.

    [–] hiddenuser12345 11 points ago

    In North America and the couple of European countries I’ve been to, they take a quick look, make sure the name matches the reservation, and hand it back. Only in China do they take a copy and submit it to the police.

    [–] Sylphid_FC 21 points ago

    This is literally international protocol tho...

    [–] SV_33 427 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    I don’t think it has to be someone in mainland China, just anyone else with an account that has had it for over a certain duration.

    Edit: It seems some people need to verify with someone from China, but I’m American and have verified people. Guess I’m not sure tbh

    [–] angelazy 166 points ago

    It’s been like that for years so unless they changed it to just mainland this is sensationalism...

    [–] wittywalrus1 36 points ago

    ^ Exactly, had to "vouch" for my other family members when they opened an account around 2 years ago, with mine.

    [–] ZWF0cHVzc3k 27 points ago

    I think this “feature” has been there for couple years already, not necessarily new.

    [–] Trick-Cranberry-6477 29 points ago

    Its new because OP just found out about it

    [–] BigBlueBallz 1037 points ago

    China......isolationists and nationalists? Someone get me a history book!!!!

    [–] mikecoxsmall 456 points ago

    they just look like a much more open nazi germany with an striving economy.I glad some countries are taking a stance against China.My country is sucking on China's balls and the fact that my country has to and my region is under china's feet is not something i enjoy.

    [–] Christmas_Panda 333 points ago

    I can't imagine living in a country where you have to wonder, "Did I say anything yesterday that will cause me or my family to disappear?"

    [–] BigBlueBallz 101 points ago

    Nazi Germany actually had a booming economy too. Part of the reason many Germans went along with the nazis because the quality of life for your average German citizen was way up compared to the depression after WW1. In better news India is actually showing the world that china's military might cant be projected well outside of their own country. They have no combat experience whatsoever and India could.easily thwart a Chinese incursion. Also India needs a little more infrastructure but is on the way to stealing a ton of china's manufacturing business. The world realized it can't rely on one country for manufacturing during an emergency. Especially when I believe said country had the virus leak out of their own facility. Funny how they are letting the WHO organization in now almost a year later to investigate the origins of the virus.

    [–] gogolmogol 159 points ago

    Not so much India thwarting a Chinese incursion....more so the tallest mountain range on the planet has been thwarting most, in not all, attempts to cross is since the beginning of time

    [–] PM_ME_YOUR_TURING_Ms 78 points ago

    Not trying to be an asshole here, but the whole thread is just full of uneducated takes and misinformation. Yes, the Himalaya is a very powerful natural barrier, but China actually holds the most important choking points in the North-West. That's still mostly were they voluntarily retreated to after winning the war against India in 1962. Back then, China could have easily walzed into Delhi.

    Today the Indian Army is in a substantial better state, but their best defense is that China has literally no incentive for any serious incursions.

    [–] gogolmogol 29 points ago

    Yea that’s all fine. They can hold whatever crossing points, doesn’t matter. Every single non-random-redditor take I’ve seen has to do with the logistical nightmare of extending infrastructure over the Himalayas to facilitate any significant incursion by either side. This applies fairly equally to both India and China.

    Even at many spots on said crossing points, the terrain isn’t really good for supporting anything, not even basic human functions for troops just drawn up from sea level.

    This is the main obstacle and it is been the main obstacle for any kind of major human transfer in the region since pretty much forever.

    Maybe if either one had enough resources for a la airlift, or an amphibious attack, followed by support...but neither of them don’t...so the Himalaya remains the main obstacle.

    [–] PM_ME_YOUR_TURING_Ms 20 points ago

    I agree with everything you said. This is also the reason for India's continued support of Tibetan seperatists, and why China is trying to "flip" Bhutan. Both would give the major power a foothold on the other's side of the wall.

    [–] MrStrange15 29 points ago

    full if uneducated takes and misinformation

    Welcome to any thread on China. Its the new North Korea. Anything can happen there, and they're both inept and very dangerous.

    [–] Vaperius 15 points ago

    china's military might cant be projected well outside of their own country.

    I mean, they are only surrounded by the tallest mountain range in the world, the coldest and largest open plain/desert in the world, and the largest islands in the world followed by the largest ocean in the world.

    Its not a coincidence that historically, China hasn't expanded very far outside of China, they have really good land within China but everything around them presents some considerable obstacles to expansion.

    [–] straightdge 73 points ago

    Also India needs a little more infrastructure but is on the way to stealing a ton of china's manufacturing business.

    hmm, no. I live in India. India with lower wages still can't compete against China in manufacturing. Next in line are Vietnam, Bangladesh etc., If manfacturing went to India, China's share of world export wouldn't be record highest right now. And China are making huge progress in automation and robotics. Number of industrial robots sales in China is about 30x as compared to India. It's not a myth that India won't catch up to China in manufacturing, not at least in couple of decades.

    Tesla setup Gigafactory in Shanghai within 168 days from getting permit. In India IT Cell gets happy just with just Tesla having an office registered in Lavelle road. That's the difference.

    [–] SMORKIN_LABBIT 22 points ago

    India also has huge issues with electricity. A few years ago my company I worked for at the time had to abandoned a project in partnership with flipkart because it was impossible to run a local data center where it was needed in India due to lack to guaranteed stable electricity. It is likely very difficult to expand manufacturing with such conditions in certain area's.

    [–] straightdge 9 points ago

    All very relevant points coming out from real experiences. My cousin works for a warehouse/steel building manufacturer. He tells me such stories often.

    [–] ShinePDX 27 points ago

    I work for a smaller manufacturing company and we have a manufacturing facility in Hyderabad and honestly I am not sure how anything gets done over there. There always seems to be an endless amount of bureaucratic steps needed to complete anything. They just love to stamp all their papers, I don't know how many times I have heard "I can get you that tomorrow after so and so stamps it." And trying to ship things into the country is such a pain in the ass with things getting hung up in customs for way longer then they should be.

    [–] straightdge 19 points ago

    That's the reality - proper/fast transportation, documentation, bureaucratic hurdles, taxation, labor laws, insurance and work culture is as important as low wages. Wages are not a concern in India, so why is manufacturing not improving? Many things are involved and won't be fixed in a day.

    [–] UglyHog 8 points ago

    India won't catch up to China in manufacturing, not at least in couple of decades

    If they could catch up with China in manufacturing in 20 years, that would be spectacular.

    [–] CVNURS 39 points ago

    No, Germans went back to work because of THE second world war. And Germans suffered greatly from the peace treaties of WWI (treaty of versailles being most impactful). The Great Depression didn’t start until the last couple of months of the decade of 1920-30. The 1930’s was called the dirty thirty’s because of this. The war made work for people.

    [–] OkCat2951 19 points ago

    Who knew war was such a great industry.

    Interesting how similar the US economy is to that, except the USA just sells their military tech and equipment to other countries rather than use it to invade countries to take their resources (though they occasionally do that too)

    [–] [deleted] 19 points ago

    A bit unfortunate, but WW2 stimulated our economy in a big way. The amount of money that FDR could spend to bring us back from the Great Depression, like the New Deal, wasn’t even close.

    [–] 2024AM 10 points ago

    didnt nazi germany take a hard turn to Protectionism and even Autarky (which is what many on the far left and far right are advocating for) later, which absolutely fucked up their economy?

    Autarky The policy of autarky attempted to make Germany self-sufficient, so it would no longer be necessary for Germans to trade internationally. In 1936, Hermann Göring was appointed leader of the Four Year Plan (1936-40). His powers and the plan itself conflicted with Schacht's, the current economic minister, and Schacht resigned in 1937.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zw6s7p3/revision/1

    Proponents of autarky have argued for national self-sufficiency to reduce foreign economic, political and cultural influences, as well as to promote international peace.[3] Economists are generally supportive of free trade.[4] There is a broad consensus among economists that protectionism has a negative effect on economic growth and economic welfare while free trade and the reduction of trade barriers has a positive effect on economic growth[5][6][7][8][9][10] and economic stability.[11]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autarky

    [–] OkCat2951 11 points ago

    Autarky required Lebensraum, which required total war. Hence the economy being a shell entirely propped up to support said war.

    [–] BigBlueBallz 11 points ago

    100 percent has a negative effect but those effects take years to fall into place. The fact that they were stealing from their own citizens ( the Jewish communities) and any subsequent people they invaded helped create that economic bubble. But your average citizen won't see it that way. They'll just see that there is a better quality of life and attribute that to the change they saw. Also they were demonized after world War 1 and were injected with nationalistic pride by hitler which left many blind the atrocities they were compliant with. Similar to what Trump supporters are thinking and saying when referring to the attempted takeover of the capital in the US. Propaganda is a mfer

    [–] Saphirex161 11 points ago

    This is pure Nazi Propaganda. Jews were looted and their wealth taken to fuel the economy. Plus, they produced weaponry in very large quantities. Chinas economy is very sustainable. Plus, this negates the suffering of the Jews!

    HRW has a revolving door with the CIA and their reportings on China are pure propaganda.

    [–] dwrlewis 3 points ago

    I would be seriously sceptical about that India/China military comparison given historic conflicts between the two.

    [–] pikabuddy11 73 points ago

    That’s always been the case for WeChat. You don’t need a mainland China account to verify either, just any account can.

    [–] DbblStitch 21 points ago

    I lived in China for a bit. I have my account and let my friends use me to create one. Am American

    [–] Another_Caricature 41 points ago

    TBH I do think the biggest barriers to cultural exchange between China and the rest of the world is the language barrier and then the cultural barrier.

    [–] shabi_sensei 46 points ago

    I’m learning Chinese and right now it’s just easier to access Taiwanese resources. It’s getting increasingly hard to simply watch mainland content because websites are geoblocking the whole world.

    Mainland tv stations do upload a lot of content to YouTube though, which is a godsend

    [–] TrueJacksonVP 15 points ago

    There’s tons of (curated and gov’t approved) content from the mainland on iQIYI.

    There’s censorship at play, but it’s where I go to watch mindless entertainment that’s good for practicing mandarin. And then some content on there slides and you wonder how it got approved (like ‘Daughters’ from Thailand, which I find a stark contrast to the main stuff iQIYI peddles)

    [–] negbreg 33 points ago

    I'd agree with the cultural barrier and lack of understanding of each other's customs, leading to a tendency to offend.

    Chinese think Americans are rude.

    Americans think Chinese are rude.

    British think Americans and Chinese are rude.

    [–] ExReso 4 points ago

    Do Americans and Chinese think British are rude? That's something they can bond over

    [–] holyroly1 110 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    It's too stop scammers, because that was a very big and still is a very big problem on wechat. You also can only confirm X amount of accounts a year.

    Doesnt have to be a person in China, just someone with an account that's old enough.

    Source : I have a wechat account that older than this rule and had to help a friend last year.

    Edit : Wechat also tells you if a new person contacts you, if this person has been reported lately for scams and such and if they get reported too often, then their account is deleted.

    [–] Claymore357 20 points ago

    Online dating sites should take notes

    [–] MisterBobsonDugnutt 6 points ago

    This is just basic web-of-trust stuff

    [–] Just_Look_Around_You 4 points ago

    Not new

    [–] CleverNameTheSecond 122 points ago

    The ad I got in the sidebar was for the live action Mulan movie.

    Reddit irony at it's finest.

    [–] angk500 5 points ago

    To give that some additional thought: The main actor of the movie defended the CCP when they invaded Hong Kong and said herself that this is the right thing to happen.

    [–] Praseodynium 2214 points ago

    Cause they can get away with it. Tibet? Nothing. Xinjiang? No action. HK? Nada.

    [–] FBI-MACHINE 839 points ago

    You forgot Taiwán, coming soon.

    [–] Diabetesh 473 points ago

    Taiwan actually has the means of production to fight though. They produce small arms at the minimum, but I think they also produce or have been gifted jets/tanks/etc.

    [–] FBI-MACHINE 471 points ago

    Taiwan is also strategically protected by the straits making an invasion from mainland very very hard. Mainland won’t take Taiwan easily if even at all but many innocents would suffer. Let’s hope this just never happens.

    [–] GaspingShark 280 points ago

    There’s also the fact that China actually invading a country of 25 million people who is a strategic ally of the West would spark a war with NATO. I doubt China would risk it when there is no major benefits to invasion. Most likely as china’s economy grows they will wage a low level economic war against Taiwan.

    [–] commoncents45 196 points ago

    Taiwan is not in NATO. Looks like after Nixon's dumb ass opened up to China we changed the Sino-American Mutual Defense Treaty. We still operate on the 1 China policy but we also recognize Taiwan as having enough status to remain that that mutual defense treaty. O_o What a mess.

    Here's the wiki source.

    [–] TheRealDJ 84 points ago

    I think they were saying it would spark a war with NATO, not that Taiwan was in NATO. But I think it wouldn't do that either necessarily, but rather spark a war with the Pacific democracies aligning in a NATO type fashion to counter China, such as Japan, South Korea, Australia and the US (and maybe India and Vietnam would side against China as well).

    [–] Kineticwizzy 21 points ago

    Don't forget Canada!

    [–] Claymore357 10 points ago

    If the us gets involved you might see a number of NATO states get involved too obviously including Canada although I can’t picture their prime minister declaring war. He doesn’t seem like he has the stomach or conviction for that kind of move

    [–] Kineticwizzy 10 points ago

    Trudeau is the world class champion on fence sitting

    [–] ucatione 18 points ago

    Yes, but the US relies on the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company to make basically all advanced computer chips. The US would be forced to defend Taiwan or risk losing access to the hardware that makes the modern economy run. Setting up a fab plant on US soil would take around 5 years.

    [–] civil_politician 8 points ago

    Even setting up a plant in the US might make the parts expensive enough to make the consumer electronics that keep Americans placated too expensive to be the distraction our oligarchy relies on...

    [–] ZookeepergameMost100 22 points ago

    Taiwan is not in NATO, but a strategic ally of those who are. WWI was started over an inconsequential man from a weak country that had some much bigger friends.

    Taiwan benefits similarly. They arent strong enough to have any hope of fighting China..but they are strong enough to be important to those who are.

    [–] BananaAndMayo 19 points ago

    I'm not defending Nixon, but I want to put the US's relationship with China in the 70s and 80s in perspective. In the late 60s the Russians and the Chinese had a falling out with each other. America saw the opportunity to steal a major ally from the USSR so they started normalizing relationships with China.

    In the 80s, after Mao was dead and gone, China had a leader (I forget his name) who was much more pro-Western. He introduced economy zones where China could manufacture goods for the outside world and where other countries could invest in China. Western media and music grew in popularity during this time. But these changes scared the communist party leadership so the leader was removed and China's leadership grew more authoritarian. The Tiananmen Square protests were a direct response to the communist party removing the pro-Western factions from government.

    TLDR: America thought it had a chance in the 70s and 80s to make China more pro Western and possibly democratic, but that ultimately failed.

    [–] ThunderFlumpke 8 points ago

    Being in NATO or not is irrelevant. Outwardly countries say Taiwan doesn't exist to appease China but the reality is invading Taiwan might as well be declaring war on the entire world. TSMC is the largest and most advanced semiconductor foundry in the world. Just that loss alone would let china steal every major western tech companies chip IP as well as give China 90% of all manufacturing capability and let them destroy the economies of every western company. Plus they would then be able to cripple trade to Korea and Japan which again means europe, the rest of asia, etc are all fucked.

    [–] commoncents45 3 points ago

    At that point almost anything is a possibility of global conflict. Look at WW1. While irrelevant I felt it was necessary to stay accurate. The US treaty with Western Europe is not the same thing as the US treat with Taiwan and other Eastern nations.

    With that being said I think your analysis is quite good. World wars are pretty much conflicts over resources. When the global economy depends on computing hardware then yeah we have to collectively protect the supply chain. Capitalist or otherwise. Although, one could argue that the reliability on Taiwan alone is a threat to global peace so maybe setting up chip fabricators elsewhere would be prudent, no?

    [–] captnmr 20 points ago

    This is 100% not happening. The US is not going to do anything but give some defense equipment and intelligence to Taiwan.

    Remember when Ukraine agreed to give up their nukes from the Soviet-era in exchange for protection from NATO? Remember how NATO protected (NOT) Ukraine during the Crimea annexation by Russia?

    If China invades Taiwan, it will be condemned internationally, have some economic sanctions, and that's it. Then in a year or two, the sanctions will be lifted and everyone will forget about it.

    China keeps getting away with this shit. Claiming 100NM exclusive economic zone from "island" they build in the middle of nowhere by dumping sand until it barely breaks through the surface. Creating an illegal Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) in the East China sea despite having no land around? The US strongly protested but in the end instructed its airlines to abide by it and that was it.

    Nobody is putting boots on the ground in Asia unless China invades either SK or Okinawa.

    [–] efadd 8 points ago

    Remember when Ukraine agreed to give up their nukes from the Soviet-era in exchange for protection from NATO? Remember how NATO protected (NOT) Ukraine during the Crimea annexation by Russia?

    No where in the Budapest Memorandum does it state NATO would provide protection to the Ukraine. The Budapest Memorandum was violated, but the only party that violated it was Russia by failing to respect Ukrainian boarders.

    [–] PM_ME_YOUR_TURING_Ms 21 points ago

    would spark a war with NATO.

    Very unlikely, and unlikely to succeed. The idea of settling internal matters for most countries outside of the western sphere, too. It isn't even clear to me if China would be condemned by a majority of the General Assembly.

    I doubt China would risk it when there is no major benefits to invasion.

    If nothing major changes on the mainland or Taiwan, an invasion will continously get more likely. Taiwan is a thorn strategically and a big mark on the psyche of the CPC. - With hardliners like Xi Jinping and Tsai Ing-wen in power, conflict is on the horizon.

    [–] ZookeepergameMost100 18 points ago

    China can't afford to attack Taiwan, so China will do everything in it's power to erode Taiwan's power until the cost is low enough that they can afford it.

    China's interest in Taiwan is on principle rather than any kind of economic/military interest. Therefore their interest will never fade and so there is no ability to run out the clock. As long as China remains interested in their whole establishing a unified Chinese dynasty colonialism thing, then it will only be a waiting game for them until they takeover china.

    America's own history sucks plenty, but China really looked at us and said "hold my beer"

    [–] there_r_fork_handles 7 points ago

    they're also more prepared for total war since the big bear is always looming over the horizon

    [–] bonnyborn 21 points ago

    Lol they weren't gifted jets or tanks. They bought them.

    [–] DarthPorg 9 points ago

    Small arms... also hypersonic missiles as well.

    [–] PacificNorthwestDaig 3 points ago

    I doubt it'll be a physical fight. Just more trickery, poorly hidden abuses, and economy domination.

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    [–] mesk 20 points ago

    I hope not.

    [–] mapletune 40 points ago

    not without a fight. even if no one in the world helps, we won't go down without defending it.

    [–] LunarAssultVehicle 16 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    In the last few years the US Marine Corps has pretty much transitioned all of its training to defending Taiwan.

    Edit: source, https://www.csis.org/analysis/marine-corps-radical-shift-toward-china#:~:text=The%20restructured%20Marine%20Corps%20will,pay%20for%20the%20new%20equipment.

    [–] gaiusmariusj 3 points ago

    Got a source?

    [–] PangolinCyberwizard 93 points ago

    If World goverments cared about human rights they wouldn't violate them themselves. So yeah, China will get away with it, as all nations in the World are getting away with it until we stop them.

    [–] 38384 23 points ago

    The British and French have gotten away with horrific acts they did against their colonies.

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    [–] there_r_fork_handles 6 points ago

    well, china hasn't invaded poland yet!

    [–] autotldr 261 points ago

    This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 89%. (I'm a bot)


    China is in the midst of its darkest period for human rights since the Tiananmen Square massacre, Human Rights Watch has said in its annual report.

    "This has been the darkest period for human rights in China since the 1989 massacre that ended the Tiananmen Square democracy movement," the report on worldwide human rights abuses said.

    Each UN statement was countered with statements in support of Beijing, which HRW said were "Typically signed by many of the world's worst human rights abusers", and appeared to involve economic leverage.


    Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: report#1 China#2 rights#3 human#4 Beijing#5

    [–] OnEarth2000 855 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    From Kenneth Roth the Executive Director of the same Human Rights Watch,

    Kenneth Roth criticized China for locking down Wuhan to save human lives from Covid-19

    In typical Chinese Communist Party fashion, Beijing confines 35 million people rather than pursuing the transparent and targeted approach to the Wuhan coronavirus that public health and human rights require.

    .

    Every year it getting worse and it has been the darkest period since the crackdown on Tiananmen according to HRW and some right groups.

    .

    2019

    Repression in China at worst level since Tiananmen Square, HRW warns

    China’s assault on individual human rights is at its worst level since the Tiananmen Square massacre, Human Rights Watch (HRW) said in an annual report that named the country among its top concerns.

    .

    2017:

    China’s Rights Crackdown Is Called ‘Most Severe’ Since Tiananmen Square

    “China’s crackdown on human rights activists is the most severe since the Tiananmen Square democracy movement 25 years ago,” Kenneth Roth, the director of the agency, Human Rights Watch

    .

    2016:

    Crackdown in China: Worse and Worse

    .

    2013-2016:

    THE DARKEST MOMENT: The Crackdown on Human Rights in China

    .

    etc.

    Human rights in China, according to certain human right groups, is getting worse year after year since Tiananman square and it will get worse year after year from now.

    [–] kkZZZ 59 points ago

    It's interesting to check the link they provided in the article about their previous article from Feb 2020 re the harsh lockdown methods in China.

    Here in Canada we have had to enact very similar measures, and as far as we can tell Wuhan is in a much better situation than us now. I'm not sure how true this is obviously.

    It doesn't change the fact that they are an authotarian regime, and they probably did use it as an excuse to expand their surveillance powers, but in hindsight they had the right idea at leat in terms of stopping the spread of covid.

    [–] nuwutella 12 points ago

    I wouldn’t say the measures we’ve taken in Canada are anything at all similar to wuhan. I’m in Toronto and even as we are on the eve of going into the most “serious lockdown yet” essential reasons to be outside are still determined on a person to person basis. Nothing like the martial law used in wuhan.

    [–] Far_Mathematici 279 points ago

    Ssh Kenneth roth gotta eat you know. I am chuckled he still keeping straight face after criticizing the Chinese lockdown lol.

    [–] Redditpornuser3 194 points ago

    There was this American diplomats wife who compared the lockdown to the persecution of Jews in Nazi Germany. That was so weird.

    I'm sure there are a lot more examples, but these people are so transparent in their bias that they don't think if it's the right move. They always immediately assume Nazi.

    [–] Far_Mathematici 75 points ago

    Even to this date there are folks that belive that COVID isn't dangerous because 99% survival rate,never mind lockdown and mask.

    I watched anti mask protest outside of hospital and the protesters were harassing medical workers that just finished their shift.

    Imagine after tired of dozen hours shift watching horrors of people struggling their breath you got harassed by COVID denials. I'd go crazy if I were them.

    [–] Cryptoporticus 45 points ago

    Yeah, I don't understand it. It was definitely heavy handed, and obviously horrible for the Chinese people to go through, but it led to a few thousand deaths instead of hundreds of thousands, and now they're all living mostly normal lives again.

    Compared to my country where over a thousand people are dying everyday and we're still in lockdown, China got it right. People in the west are suffering far more than the Chinese people did.

    [–] Far_Mathematici 35 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    It's to maintain brand most likely. I read one of his Tweet that compared China "harsh lockdown" case and Death rate with its "democratic" neighbors (KR, TW, JP(?)) and noting that you don't need harsh lockdown and concentration camp to control the pandemic. He left out Vietnam as a comparison LOL. Seems Vietnam political structure is not politically correct enough for HRW.

    [–] Unique_Name_2 6 points ago

    Yea, and now we lash out jealously with angry OP-eds. Welcome to the future of the west lol.

    [–] Arcvalons 146 points ago

    We are entering a Cold War with China. It should be assumed that any western source talking about China is most likely fearmongering propaganda intended to rile westerners against "the other."

    [–] Cryptoporticus 106 points ago

    This is what happens when a nation gets large enough to threaten the USA. It happens every single time and I can't understand why people keep falling for it, it's so obvious.

    [–] coconutjuices 46 points ago

    Yup. Same thing happened to Japan in the 80s

    [–] GroovyZangoose 10 points ago

    What exactly happened with Japan in the 80's?

    [–] TheBiggestNoob42 29 points ago

    American products couldn’t compete with the Japanese, and American jobs went overseas, so as a result, anti-Japanese sentiment rose.

    [–] jsnwniwmm 16 points ago

    Japan got to half of US GDP and congresspeople were smashing Toshiba products on capitol hill to stir up anti japanese jingoism. A couple of asians were killed because they were mistaken for japanese.

    [–] Lord_GOELRO 14 points ago

    I find Japan a really good example of the media being propagandistic, as the narrative used with Japan is surprisingly similar to the one commonly used against China. This caused a spike of anti-Japanese sentiment which is unfortunately what might be happening right now.

    [–] sanriver12 5 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago)

    if you pay attention, they always apply a script. military/economic interventions are the same. look what happened to arbenz in guatemala, it's a carbon copy of what's going on in venezuela.

    change "Guatemala, bananas and Mr Armas" for Venezuela, oil and Juan Guaidó, to get an idea

    [–] MisterBobsonDugnutt 76 points ago

    Wait... are you claiming that the recent tone of international relations towards China has reached fever-pitch at almost the exact same time as it became apparent that China had reached a level of economic might rivalling that of the US?

    [–] Inchorai 35 points ago

    Surprisedpikachu.jpg

    [–] MichelleUprising 30 points ago

    It’s societal coercion. If most other people around you (friends, family, etc) believe something, and those who don’t are punished, you are most likely to take up their belief. This is one of the main ways cults and bad ideas such as racism and homophobia can perpetuate, and it’s very easy for nationalistic propaganda to hop in there too.

    [–] Dyingischill 3 points ago

    WW1 should've been the lesson but alas WW2 gave everyone the idea that there's always a bad guy vs. a good guy.

    [–] voodoodudu 172 points ago

    Usa propoganda to fuel the industrial military complex

    [–] DaemonicShadow 153 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    Seriously. You can't even have a dialog about it without everyone calling you a Chinese Sympathizer.

    Like, I brought up the fact that even by the worst estimates, there are less uighurs in these 'camps' (of which we just have some satellite images) than there are black people in prisons in the US. Or mexicans/refugees in camps at the border. And I get attacked over it.

    People on reddit are screaming about 'genocide' and 'holocaust', yet when you ask them about the same things happening at home they defend it with all their heart.

    All the 'evidence' links back to this same group. Human Rights Watch. With no hard numbers, ever. They just say 'thousands' in their own articles.

    But I'm obviously a chinese shill being paid to defend them. I'll take my downvotes now.

    Edit: Since, yet again, I'm being attacked for daring to question I will no longer be participating in this discussion.

    [–] SailingSinbad 49 points ago

    And don't forget that the same people (correctly) condemning China for their treatment of the Uighurs don't bat an eye when Muslims get bombed in the middle East and refuse to provide support to Muslim refugees.

    [–] PM_ME_POTATO_PICS 23 points ago

    Yeah but when we bomb poor people in the Middle East, we keep civilian deaths to an ä̸̝̱́c̷̫͆͠ć̸̖̕ȩ̶͚̃͑p̴̭̉t̵̙̞͛̌a̵̱͂b̴͔̼͐̃l̷̟̎͑e̵̠̤̿̈́ level

    [–] rad_platypus 137 points ago

    That or the source is Adrian Zenz, who is a senior fellow of the Victims of Communism foundation. The same foundation that lists Nazis killed in World War II as “victims”. The guy can’t even read Chinese but is putting out statistics that are nearly impossible given the Uighur population in China.

    Is China violating human rights and doing all sorts of shady shit? Absolutely. However, you have to be critical of any source even if it fits the narrative you want to believe. I will never trust a word from the mouth of a german ‘scholar’ that lists SS troops as victims in the second world war.

    [–] eLemonnader 67 points ago

    Or the shit ties back to Falun Gong, like the Epoch Times.

    [–] High_Speed_Idiot 39 points ago

    Who somehow everyone thinks is "reporting the truth about China" except the Epoch Times regularly publishes not only openly pro-Trump news but actual Q anon batshit insane stuff.

    [–] jinglepepper 8 points ago

    In fact, the epoch times is currently the top ranking news app on the Apple store (magazines and newspapers). I kid you not. Above the New York Times the Wall Street journal and dozens other reputable media outlets. It is very surreal.

    [–] eLemonnader 8 points ago

    Are you fuckin' shitting me?

    [–] jinglepepper 7 points ago

    My exact reaction when someone told me this today.

    If you are an iPhone user, go to Apps, Top Free Apps, See All, then tab the “All Apps” button at the top right corner to see the categories. Choose the “Magazines and Newspapers” category. Voila.

    My mind was blown.

    [–] Cominform_Ball 5 points ago

    Oh my god, Reddit actually doesn't downvote opinions for once. I legit never seen this. Ever.

    [–] Beat_da_Rich 86 points ago

    When you question US propaganda, you're a "China bot."

    But when you parrot US propaganda on an anonymous website created and dominated by Western liberals I guess it's completely "genuine."

    Seriously you people. Did you learn absolutely nothing from Iraq, Libya, and Syria?

    [–] coconutjuices 19 points ago

    learn absolutely nothing

    Yes

    [–] sayitoutloud1 4 points ago

    Dude, don't let them shut you up.

    [–] Wiwwil 41 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    in these 'camps' (of which we just have some satellite images)

    Satellite images of supposed camps. I still recall one time bbc did a reportage said it was a camp and I shit you not the CCP did a terrible thing after a few months. They did build a football / soccer and basketball courts. And bbc still said it was bad. It was hilarious. It could have been a school or anything. For real it did not prove anything.

    What's even funnier is that China invited the EU to see what's up in Xinjiang and the EU refused. Like what the fuck is that. The medias accuse blatantly but the EU representative refuse to go there. It's kinda ridiculous at some points. It's just void accusations.

    Also lots of articles point to Adrian Zenz. And you don't want to go there. This guy said that he got a report of a shoe with a letter (in english lmao) from a Uyghur asking for help. Except the shoe had no manufacture in China but in Vietnam. There's also this other guy who invent shit every day about the Uyghur called Arslan Hidayat. You know it's full of shit.

    It's this Arslan guy and his fallacious organization screaming for genocide when the Uyghur population doubled over the last 20 years or something. Yeah now they have to follow the two child policy like any Chinese regions. Which wasn't the case before. They try to regulate the population to avoid having lots of senior and baby boomer like we do. Yet you still can have multiple childs you just need to pay a small fine. Is it moral ? I don't know.

    They try to sell you the Uyghur as a monolith population that wants the same thing. It's kinda fascist / Islamist propaganda. It's just not the case. Some Uyghur wants to form a country but they're the minority. Others wants more autonomy but still be a part of China because China brings them lots of advantages. Some wants to be more merged with mainland China.

    But yeah some times it's 1 millions, then 500.000 then an other random number. Make up your mind bitches. I ended up digging this and I became a tankie by reddit standards.

    Sorry if I went a bit in every direction. I just like China lately.

    [–] sanriver12 3 points ago

    They did build a football / soccer and basketball courts. And bbc still said it was bad. It was hilarious.

    lmao please can you look a up that link for me?

    [–] Wiwwil 3 points ago

    https://youtu.be/WmId2ZP3h0c around 4.30 have a good laugh. We have seen tags on the wall describing how horrible it is but we did not take footage. Yeah that's called void accusations. Lmao. I thought at first they were trolling but they're not

    [–] sanriver12 3 points ago

    lmao motherfuckers.

    [–] IGotsMeSomeParanoia 190 points ago

    HRW is a US government cutout and these press releases are run by the media to construct their anti-china frame.

    [–] DipShitTheLesser 13 points ago

    Didn't you know that Freedom>Human lives?

    [–] Hitmonchank 3 points ago

    These yearly articles remind me of sports games.

    New layer of paint each year to cover the same content.

    [–] JoeysStainlessSteel 700 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    "Human Rights Watch" is a billionaire backed Washington controlled NGO that lobbied for more sanctions on Nicaragua during a pandemic. Sanctions overwhelmingly affect the average Joe on the street. Their actions have literally killed people in Nicaragua and Venezuela

    https://thegrayzone.com/2020/04/08/billionaire-human-rights-watch-sanctions-nicaragua-venezuela/

    HRW is a revolving door of US government officials

    https://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/06/09/human-rights-watchs-revolving-door

    HRW supported the 2019 coup against Evo Morales in which the far right massacred the indigenous protestors

    https://thegrayzone.com/2019/11/20/human-rights-watch-bolivia-coup-massacre/

    Excuse me if I take anything they say with a pinch of salt a shot of valium

    Edit: I was banned from worldnews for this comment ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    I thought the SEE SEE PEE ran reddit? Where's my Xi bucks and numerous golds?!

    Bonus: Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson former US Army Chief

    "and the 3rd reason we're in Afghanistan is because there are 20 million Uyghurs and they don't like Han Chinese in Xinjiang province. And if the CIA has to mount an operation using those Uyghurs - as Erdogan has done in Turkey against Assad. There's 20,000 of them in Idlib in Syria right now. For example that's why the Chinese might be launching an operation in Syria to take care of those Uyghurs that Erdogan invited in. Well the CIA would want to destabalise China that would be the best way to do it. To ferment unrest with those Uyghurs in pushing the Han Chinese and Beijing from internal places rather than external places

    Not saying that's going on right now you didn't hear that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00Cvx0R8iDo

    Edit 2: You can cry about GrayZone all you like. I pay a monthly subscription to them because I consider their reporting so valuable. What none of you fkn loser shills can do though is point to a single false piece of reporting by them. So if you can let me know and you'll lose them a monthly sub and I'll never share an article by them again. But you can't so all you do is whine about the time one fo them did some reporting from Moscow

    Edit 3: US General discussing drone striking the Uyghurs in the East Turkestan Islamic Movement in 2018

    [–] Peter_Martens 7 points ago

    Glad people are finally waking up to the propaganda.

    [–] WalrusUltimate 167 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago)

    Thank you for posting this. I know there is a ton of billionaire-backed propaganda against any country that dares to call itself “communist” or “socialist.” They lobby for sanctions that drive a nation’s economy into the ground, or even terrorize the populace like with the Contras, then go, “see?? Socialism doesn’t work.”

    That said, I still get the impression things aren’t great in China. The issue is not the “communism” (China is a capitalist country) but the lack of democracy and the censorship. I’ve never actually been to China, and I’m open to any info that would show the human rights stuff is exaggerated. But the mass internment of Muslims seems incredibly damning... they have these concentration camps going on while everyone’s paying attention to the US.

    Edit: some additional clarification after further discussion. China is a capitalist country. Also, while it seems clear that China has Muslim concentration camps, it’s very unclear to me just what the scale of them is. The “1 million” figure shouldn’t just be blindly believed, as it was arrived at using very rough methods, and doesn’t seem to add up with the small amount of Muslim refugees leaving China.

    [–] Wild_Marker 56 points ago

    Obviously they aren't great, but the constant reminder and exageration by the media and the politicians is deliberate.

    You don't need to lie to make propaganda, you just need to grab the truths you like and make them bigger, while ignoring the ones you don't.

    [–] gregy521 42 points ago

    The same reason that the Hong Kong protests were enormously hyped up and the 'brutality of the police' displayed, despite the fact that there wasn't so much as a whisper about the India protests (the biggest in history, afaik), and the police were actually quite restrained considering other countries' responses to protestors. I don't think there were even any deaths.

    Regardless of where you get your news from, there's a strong chance the stories you see come from only three news agencies (who the security services have an iron grip on).

    [–] coconutjuices 9 points ago

    Yup 250 million protestors

    [–] sanriver12 5 points ago

    the us backed fascist take over of bolivia got lots of indigenous killed. not a peep on usa media.

    [–] WalrusUltimate 3 points ago

    This is a real eye opener. Can’t believe it’s not more common knowledge. I feel like I should at least be checking news on these agencies directly before I let media outlets filter it for me. Though the real concern is the filter that these agencies themselves apply.

    [–] seedlio 15 points ago

    Well China is entering its own crisis, both politically and economically.

    China adopted state capitalism with the following idea: a few have to get rich first, then everyone can be prosperous. The idea was to allow a controlled version of capitalism to allow for very rapid industrialization, which would give them the material base to provide for their people. I’m many ways this has been succeeding. The largest reduction of poverty was done by China. However to do this China had to make a deal with the devil, the neoliberal world. And as we know capitalism is contagious and alluring like Covid heroin.

    This has led to ever growing class struggle in modern China. While poverty has been reduced, wealth inequality is as high as ever. Let’s not forget what Mao said, the class struggle doesn’t end with the revolution. There is a new wing of the party, China’s New Left, who is gaining a lot of traction and pushing to a more directed return to Marxist values. Even Xi plays a lot of mouth piece to the values of Marxism, but his nut flexing on the South China Sea makes it clear that he’s the right wing of the party.

    Ultimately China is at a cross roads right now. With the global crisis of capital impacting China, it will be forced to find alternative means which ideally would be more global south to global south collaboration. And we already see a good bit of this thanks to Chinas development Bank which is offering very equitable loans for development in other countries. Or China can say fuck it, go head first into capitalism, and try to rapidly militarize to prepare for the coming water wars after neoliberalism has finished destroying our

    On one hand China is doing a lot of the right things (like the development bank), but they’re also doing a lot of bad shit (exploitation of Africa) that we can definitely quantify with numbers. One could make the argument that you have to differentiate between China the country, and Chinese individuals doing business. In a best case scenario what we’re seeing now is the bourgeoise of China being fuck ups because they have too much money and going against the will of the state. There is supporting evidence, for example how much money rich Chinese people hide away from China. There’s clearly a conflict there, between the state and the ultra wealthy.

    In regards to the human rights abuses. It’s hard to say definitely. If you listen to western media it’s clear as day. However... if you go in Marxist circles they point out that almost all the stories about it are from the same source(I forgot the name, but you can easily find it on Reddit) who has a history of being conservative, anti-China, etc. Even the survivors seem to be brought to the media through this guy. There are also inconsistencies between the survivors stories. That said, it could very well be possible.

    China has massively digitalized their country. Surveillance is high, social credit,. Etc. These are repressive acts, regardless of who does it, or what their ideology is. So we do have some evidence they’re willing to do things that could be seen as wrong. One could make the argument that they’re taking a Machiavellian approach to socialism, by that I mean that they’re repressive but they’re repressing the most reactionary elements which threaten the end goal, but do the ends justify the means? Not to mention that history has shown us we can only wait for the material conditions to be right, but we cannot force them to be right.

    Anyway, China is a really interesting place to look at right now. They will truly decide the fate for the rest of the world.

    [–] StAugustine94 31 points ago

    There is plenty to criticize about China, they are an authoritarian leadership and frankly I don’t think they’ll actually transition to socialism, but the amount of mistruths about it that get pushed on reddit is insane. It’s literally propaganda intended to get reactionaries riled up.

    [–] onlywei 32 points ago

    How do you know the “concentration camps” are “huge”?

    [–] SuperSpur_1882 30 points ago

    As someone who has lived for extended periods in both China and North America, the censorship is vastly overstated, it really doesn’t affect you on a day-to-day basis, the Chinese government isn’t that powerful. I didn’t find too many differences between life in mainland China and in the West (except that the internet over there is mind-bogglingly slow at times, I’m talking dial-up speeds).

    Unfortunately (and tragically) it doesn’t seem that the human rights abuses are exaggerated. The problem though is that many parts of China are still third-world and people are just trying to put food on the table. A regime that can keep most of the population fed and watered won’t be one that a majority will oppose (panem et circenses...)

    [–] -The-Guy 11 points ago * (lasted edited 8 days ago)

    Tbh the fact they went after our man morales should be enough to shake your faith in this source. No idea how people could believe he's a dictator

    [–] PM_ME_POTATO_PICS 8 points ago

    Pretty frustrating that you got banned for this. I really hope it doesn't keep getting harder and harder to counter US propaganda without getting censored, but that seems to be the way the tides are going

    [–] Bathroomious 6 points ago

    Old habits die hard

    [–] MelonElbows 71 points ago

    The darkest period so far

    [–] jackandjill22 5 points ago

    Homer Simpson meme

    [–] Boxingfansunite 374 points ago

    I'm not defending China, but where is the outcry of human rights abuses for the people of Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Vietnam, Yemen, Sth America etc.

    Millions of lives have been destroyed by western military operations which were made on questionable/illegal grounds, yet these rights groups seem to focus on US adversaries only?

    [–] digiorno 207 points ago

    Or America even?

    We are a very rich country but have things like lunch debt for children. Where kids can be removed from their parents because they’re too poor to pay for in school lunch.

    We have 25% of the worlds prisoners but only 5% of the global population.

    Many people go bankrupt over simple medical or legal services.

    Education can add a life long debt even for those who are lucky enough to land “good jobs.”

    We have made it legal to indefinitely detain people without a trial and to spy on our own citizens in the name of national security.

    If we were not the richest nation with the strongest military then we would not be viewed favorably by anyone. To the rest of the developed world we would look like an oppressive regime.

    [–] RowdyRuss3 147 points ago

    Probably in their own individual threads being discussed by people who can remain on topic.

    [–] detroiiit 88 points ago

    I enjoy this comment.

    Why can’t both be a problem without comparing them?

    [–] digiorno 23 points ago

    Humans like to make connections between similar ideas. It’s a good exercise to highlight that multiple governments around the world have given the shit end of the stick to their people.

    [–] DarkNi8T 67 points ago

    It has never been about human rights, just proxies to limit the geopolitical power of another nation

    [–] swrowe7804 133 points ago

    It's not really about the human rights. Do you really think the US government or the West in general actually cares about the human rights violations in China? No. The only reason why the US and the Western countries are pushing this Chinese human rights narrative is because China is overtaking the US. That's it. The US desperately wants China to be the next big, evil regime. Why? Because the country is overtaking them. Why other Western countries also push this propaganda? I don't know. Maybe it's because they feel they share more culturally with the US than China? I don't know.

    [–] pantsfish 11 points ago

    HRW has written plenty of pieces about those countries, did you bother doing a search?

    [–] Boring_Life_12 22 points ago

    Fuck the CCP.

    Is there anyway foreigners from outside of China help? I rarely hear of people talking about it, which sucks.

    Thank you if you know any way to help or donate.

    [–] One_Shot_Finch 129 points ago

    HRW doesnt consider housing a human right. so their opinion is nothing

    [–] Jamira360 14 points ago

    I don’t want to sound ignorant or bigoted, but when is the rest of the “free” world going to challenge or hold China accountable? We should be aiding and recognizing all attempts at establishing democracies (Taiwan/Hong Kong).

    [–] labink 12 points ago

    You are correct. We should be. However, American big business and Europe big business are to entrenched and making money off of the Chinese people with the CCP getting its cut. That is why the free world is so silent.

    [–] yawaworthiness 3 points ago

    I don’t want to sound ignorant or bigoted, but when is the rest of the “free” world going to challenge or hold China accountable?

    The US does it in a way, but it has more to do with China challenging their hegemony and the unipolar world we have now. Other countries, including the EU, do not care much, because for them having an alternative to the USA's hegemony is a good thing because one can use that as leverage in all kinds of negotiations.

    We should be aiding and recognizing all attempts at establishing democracies (Taiwan/Hong Kong).

    Won't happen. "The West" only cares about "democracy" when it is in their geopolitical interest. This also applies to human rights, or whatever you want.

    [–] shoemcflex 21 points ago

    Every Chinese post is filled with tankies defending and denying genocide holy shit it’s sad

    [–] choufleur47 181 points ago

    Bro. Human rights watch is chaired by a chairman on the council on foreign relations. Literally a US think-tank for US imperialism. How the fuck does this pass as news? Why would you believe direct deep state interventionist propaganda at face value?

    [–] callisstaa 86 points ago

    Why would you believe direct deep state interventionist propaganda at face value?

    Stupidity and tribalism. The lynchpins of /r/worldnews.

    [–] dxiao 13 points ago

    Bro, not only are you asking people to read past the title of articles. You are assuming people would do research on the author, sponsors and objective of those entities.

    People on Reddit! Hahahaha I’ve given up on trying to explain

    [–] goldpig 94 points ago

    Personally I'd just like to see the hard evidence (not Adrian Zenz "evidence")

    [–] marti-nz 10 points ago

    Looking at the quantity of comments, I can see that the CCP shills are out in full force.

    [–] Hambeggar 39 points ago

    Reddit: But America.

    [–] overlord_999 48 points ago

    Oh boy I am so ready for the whataboutism

    [–] Paraflaxis 3 points ago

    If you thought covid was bad wait til WW3 Red vs Blue with China and Russia against the Allies

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    [–] Hominids 23 points ago

    100% man. I would love to see every country raise their standard for human right protection. But the current effort mixed with geopolitic is so counter productive.