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    [–] I think my neighbors heard me whacking it DrTxn 3 points ago in exmormon

    Roommate in college did that to all the girls he fucked that turned him into standards. Worked like a charm.

    [–] Seriously. Jesus hated the bankers. DrTxn 3 points ago in exmormon

    You have to give you money to the church to rid yourself of evil so you can be temple worthy. /s

    [–] I never thought I would be here DrTxn 1 points ago in exmormon

    For me it was a problem of changing doctrine.

    From the First Presidency:

    “Your position seems to lose sight of the revelations of the Lord touching the preexistence of our spirits, the rebellion in heaven, and the doctrines that our birth into this life and advantages under which we are born, have a relationship in the life theretofore. From the days of the Prophet Joseph Smith even until now, it has been the doctrine of the Church, never questioned by any of the Church leaders, that the Negroes are not entitled to the full blessings of the Gospel.”

    From the essay of Race and the Priesthood:

    “Over time, Church leaders and members advanced many theories to explain the priesthood and temple restrictions.”

    Theory? Really? The First Presidency repeatedly said it was doctrine.

    “Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, or that it reflects unrighteous actions in a premortal life; that mixed-race marriages are a sin; or that blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior in any way to anyone else. Church leaders today unequivocally condemn all racism, past and present, in any form.”

    First, the statement above is not truthful. They were not theories. Even if you think they are theories today, how would you have know they were theories back then when the prophet was saying they were doctrine. Second, the church is disavowing the a former First Presidency’s statement about doctrine. It was not a theory. So options are the First Presidency today has got it right, the First Presidency of old is right or neither. Again, how would you know today’s doctrine are not just theories?

    I did a lesson for combined priesthood a few years ago where I used the letters and discussed how in the plan of salvation we would know if we were doing God’s will.

    Questions I brought up were:

    How do I know I am doing God’s will?

    When is it harder to do the right thing? When leaders, family and friends agree? What if you had to stand alone?

    I read the last letter Lowry got sent telling him to not listen to the reasonings of men and bring it in line and threatening excommunication.

    Take a time machine back to Lowry’s time.

    How far apart is this man from the First Presidency of the church?

    What would you do?

    Then I read about the background of the letters, what the letters were about and the church’s position today.

    Finally, I substituted the issue of race and the priesthood with homosexuality and read the First Presidency’s last letter telling him to get in line and not follow man’s teachings and asked, how do you know they are correct this time?

    What happened you might ask?

    There were no good answers. It sent a lot of people thinking. One leader said, sure brother X isn’t saying don’t do what the prophet tells you. He was clearly in pain and suffering major cognitive dissonance. Others were just stumped. The good news it prepared my boys in attendance for what was next. One went to BYU and took a class on prophets in where it taught they are always right when it comes to matters of doctrine. He then confronted the teacher with the letters. The teacher had cognitive dissonance and did not have a good answer. He went to Google with an OPEN MIND. He was quickly out 😀 and ended up helping my younger sons see the light without input from me.

    The bottom line is your mind needs to be in a listening position to learn the truth. I have found asking questions that cause thinking are the best route.

    Another line of questioning I have used successfully is:

    According to the Proclamation of the Family people are given a specific gender and are born male and female, correct?

    If someone has Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome are they male or female? I then discuss how some people are born male with a Y chromosome but whose bodies have something that blocks their ability to express their sex so they look female. The genitals don’t evolve to a penis and so the have a vagina but they do not have a uterus.

    So, should someone who looks like a female with no uterus and is a male marry a male or a female? Why? Can they get a temple marriage?

    I think I will quote Boyd K. Packer who said, “Some suppose that they were pre-set and cannot overcome what they feel are inborn tendencies toward the impure and unnatural. Not so! Why would our heavenly father do the to anyone?”

    Really? So you believe sex is a not a sliding scale? Ironically, this is a great recent example of the church burying stuff.

    Read the text on the website here:

    Notice the why would heavenly father do that to anyone question has gone missing. The scrub team is slaving away to suppress stuff.

    Start watching at 8:58

    [–] Just got this in the mail... lucky me DrTxn 2 points ago in exmormon

    Well, they end up in the trash 😃, but the sender thinks they are helping others.

    [–] Utah Girls Ain't Like the Other Girls DrTxn 1 points ago in exmormon

    Yeah, cause all the women are packin on my street.

    [–] I never thought I would be here DrTxn 1 points ago in exmormon

    Have you looked at the Lowry Nelson letters? I like them because they clearly show what used to be doctrine that no longer is doctrine. There is no apologetic answer. Might help with the husband’s viewpoint.

    How exactly did what happened in the preexistence change? If you could take a time machine back to the 1940’s would you follow the prophet if you were Lowry? How do you know the prophet today isn’t doing the same thing?

    The other is the video Spiritual Witnesses

    Why are your spiritual experiences correct and theirs are not? If you were them, how would you know you are misguided?

    [–] FUN FACT FRIDAY DrTxn 7 points ago * (lasted edited 5 days ago) in exmormon

    Actually there are TWO stories about Anthon from Joseph Smith. In one, he translates the characters first before bringing them and in the second he translates them afterwards.

    Version #1 - Joseph Smith history verse 64 -

    Version #2 -

    [–] 3 week follow up post to: "I’m an active Mormon who has very recently (yesterday) starting to lean towards Joseph Smith and the church being a hoax... and I’m scared out of my mind." DrTxn 1 points ago in exmormon

    I think fact checking the essays helps.

    Here is an example for the BoA.

    One of the finishing blows for me was the Times and Seasons on 10/1/1842 and what the essay refers to as a carefully worded denial. Its a denial. Just not carefully worded. I came to the conclusion quickly that the church was not open and honest and that was the beginning of the end.

    [–] I hope she’ll talk to me. DrTxn 2 points ago in exmormon

    Better that then a tool of the Mormon God. He is a dick.

    [–] Friendly hello to the SCMC :) DrTxn 5 points ago in exmormon

    They scan you into a computer when you check in. The recommend has a code on it that allows the recommend to get turned off. They track you.

    [–] Friendly hello to the SCMC :) DrTxn 16 points ago in exmormon

    They smeared McKenna Denson.

    [–] Friendly hello to the SCMC :) DrTxn 11 points ago in exmormon

    We haved learned from the rape cases the church uses whatever information it needs. There have also been discussions about all your info being used for stake presidency callings. Why not?

    [–] Friendly hello to the SCMC :) DrTxn 60 points ago in exmormon

    Just think, they now electronically record a history of your temple attendance. No longer can you just get renewed and not go. Creepy as hell along with Facebook.

    [–] Patriarchal Blessings giving the lineage of Cain DrTxn 4 points ago in exmormon

    As a TBM I went to the SP to tell him our patriarch was crazy. I figured he was being manipulated by a scam artist. He was trying to get me to invest into a perpetual energy machine where the input was energy and the output was more energy. He was as enthusiastic about it as church. Looking back, they are similar in believability.

    It was a shelf item for me that he was still giving out blessings.

    [–] Does anyone have a link to when prophet Joseph F. Smith was beating his wife as a man? DrTxn 7 points ago in exmormon

    His father was killed in Carthage jail when he was a little boy. I would think that would mess up anyone.

    On another note, it makes me understand why he didn’t acknowledge being a prophet at the Reed Smoot hearings. He probably had a lot of guilt about his past which made him feel unworthy of that post especially in light of the fact that he had not had any special manifestations. He got to the top and nobody was home.

    [–] Does anyone have a link to when prophet Joseph F. Smith was beating his wife as a man? DrTxn 16 points ago in exmormon

    Thanks! Now I need to get copies of the letters!

    Below is from the article so others do not need to search. Such a "tender and gentle man who expressed sorrow at any kind of abuse". /s

    Shit I didn't know the church was so loose. That makes it really easy to pass temple recommend interview question number six, " Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?" Nope, if the bar is the tender and gentle man Joseph F. Smith, I am exceeding all expectations wildly.

    Everything we know of those weeks is contained in Levira’s 1867 letter to Brigham Young and Joseph’s response. In her letter, Levira accused Joseph of using “cruel expressions. . . . Said I ought to have a hole, bored in the top of my head and some manure put into it for brains.” Joseph responded that it was only “a joke,” that in her wanderings she was sometimes more jocular than ever at any other time. And at such times I would joke with her. It was at such a time she was complaining of her brain feeling ‘muddled,’ &c. I said, ‘I have sometimes thought that if a hole were bored into your head, and some manure put into it, it might be an improvement, but never mind, you are getting better now.’ I am confident she perfectly understood me and knew it was in jest, but has since argued herself into the belief that I meant to insult her, or pretends to so believe to throw blame upon me and excuse her own conduct.

    Recalling a separate incident, Levira described how one evening Joseph went out to help her mother build a chicken coop, but warned her if I heard anything unusual, not to get up or look out. They had been out a long time. It seemed two hours to me, and I was very tired, and anxious for someone to come in. Just then a band of music came along and stopped to play in front of our house. So I raised one corner of the blind and looked out of the window. Joseph . . . immediately came in with a rope, which he doubled four or five times, and struck me five or six times across my back notwithstanding I begged of him not to strike me and said I was sorry that I had disobeyed him.

    Joseph countered that Levira was, “to all intents and purposes, insane or possessed, and I had to treat her as I would a wilful and disobedient child. There was no one but me that could do anything with her.” He defended himself, saying that sometimes he had to use force “to prevent her doing herself injury, and to compel her to take medicine and food.” On the evening in question, he left to stow away some vegetables in the cellar, charging her strictly to lie still, for I knew that at the least noise she did not understand, and often at imaginary noises, she would jump out of bed and more than likely run out of doors in her night clothes, as she had many times attempted to do. After only a few minutes, he heard her get up, cross the room, and open the window. He rushed back to find her looking out the window at a band playing “Dixie” in front of Gilbert & Company’s boarding house across the street. To get her back into, bed he struck her—only twice—not with a rope, but with “a peach limb not as large around as the butt of an office pencil.”