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    [–] ATTENTION ALL MALES! JestyerAverageJoe 1 points ago in MensRights

    "Males?" We're humans, not mere animals.

    [–] Please Don't Download JestyerAverageJoe 3 points ago in ProgrammerHumor

    No, but the companion extension DownThemAll will!

    [–] Please Don't Download JestyerAverageJoe 3 points ago in ProgrammerHumor

    I'd like to see some kind of browser plug-in based on this idea, but for any cached asset.

    It's called Video DownloadHelper.

    [–] My wife and [dicks]! JestyerAverageJoe 15 points ago in sex

    My wife has the same fetish. She even grabs my friends when she is drunk.

    Flip the genders and people would be screaming about sexual assault.

    [–] Worried I'll have to be submissive to a man JestyerAverageJoe 1 points ago in sex

    Men are just as varied in their sexual tastes as women. Some men like to be dominant. Some men like to be submissive. Some men switch. Some don't think about "power" at all with sex.

    Don't assume that every man you meet wants the same thing. You're overthinking it.

    [–] Feminist woman here, in the mood to passively listen. JestyerAverageJoe 2 points ago in MensRights

    Do you think MRAs and feminists are equally willing to work together?

    Would you agree that, ultimately, ideology and dogmatism are the real problem?

    [–] Feminist woman here, in the mood to passively listen. JestyerAverageJoe 3 points ago in MensRights

    1. Thank you for acknowledging the -- imperfect -- reality of what we are. It's easy to say that "there are bad apples on both sides" (feminists and MRAs), but in my experience (biased as it is) there is a difference in the intellectual honesty of the average person on a given side. I'm perfectly willing to call out shitty behavior within the MHRM, because I am intent on not allowing it to become as toxic and exclusionary as feminism has become. Hence my reiteration that you are welcome here. You, personally. You, as a woman. You, as a feminist. We are one human species.
    2. What does it tell you that so many men are so thankful to have someone listen, and so eager to pour their hearts and souls out to you? To be heard?

    [–] Feminist woman here, in the mood to passively listen. JestyerAverageJoe 6 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago) in MensRights

    I'm not here to educate or debate. Just here to listen, maybe ask some genuine follow up questions.

    Feminism at its base is just equality of the sexes.

    I thought you were here to listen, not to "correct." If you're going to stick to that talking point -- that feminism is simply an untouchable paragon of good -- then you are necessarily going to invalidate each and every criticism of feminism that I will provide.

    With all due respect, that is not my experience of feminism. But I don't know if you're actually open to hearing that.

    Edit: Would you consider the first-wave suffragettes to be "real feminists?" Because the Declaration of Sentiments states: "The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her." Misandry and patriarchy have been a part of feminism from the very beginning.

    I'm trying to change that because I'm sick of rad fems fucking everyone over.

    Given that "radical" feminism is defined not by its extremity but rather by its identification of men and patriarchy as being "the one true evil" (radical as in radix as in root), and that this is by far the most dominant form of feminist thought today, I think what you need to acknowledge is that it's time to abandon feminism as a whole.

    [–] Feminist woman here, in the mood to passively listen. JestyerAverageJoe 3 points ago in MensRights

    Well that's not exactly true.

    What isn't?

    With all due respect, you haven't provided any evidence. If you like I can provide you hard data for all of the statistics above.

    [–] Feminist woman here, in the mood to passively listen. JestyerAverageJoe 6 points ago in MensRights

    Part of my feminism

    It's incredibly frustrating to try to talk to feminists about feminism and feminist ideology, and have those feminists discount criticism on the grounds that, "That is not my feminism." I am reminded of "Christians" who simply pick and choose which portions of the Bible they personally enjoy following while ignoring the portions that aren't part of "their Christianity." But this personal discounting does not change the fact that those rejected beliefs are Christian beliefs, or in this case, feminist beliefs.

    [–] Feminist woman here, in the mood to passively listen. JestyerAverageJoe 2 points ago in MensRights

    Are you aware that women work more part-time jobs, work fewer overtime hours, work in virtually none of the lucrative 3D jobs (dangerous/dirty/dull) with hazard pay, and work fewer hours overall, in addition to taking more breaks from work, using more vacation time, more medical leave, and are vastly more likely to leave their careers partially or fully to raise children?

    Do you think it's at all possible that working less and in less lucrative industries may be why women earn less overall?

    The "wage gap" is a myth. Women make just as much as men at the same job. They just don't work as much, or work the same jobs.

    [–] "How Men Can Treat Women Better" or one of the most patronizing lists ever JestyerAverageJoe 10 points ago in TumblrInAction

    I've said it before, but it appears feminism went from, "We're just as strong and capable as men," to, "We're better than men and men are shit."

    FTFY

    [–] Feminist woman here, in the mood to passively listen. JestyerAverageJoe 5 points ago in MensRights

    We are a community largely of people who have been excluded. (I used to call myself a feminist too!) We know what it's like not to be allowed, and most of us aren't eager to inflict that cruelty on others.

    I care what you think, not what you have between your legs.

    [–] Feminist woman here, in the mood to passively listen. JestyerAverageJoe 9 points ago in MensRights

    Unfortunately there are a few shitty people here. Watch the votes and see what the community really thinks about them. :-)

    [–] Feminist woman here, in the mood to passively listen. JestyerAverageJoe 7 points ago in MensRights

    I feel that. I largely agree.

    As do I.

    So why "men's" rights, then?

    Why "women's" rights?

    [–] Feminist woman here, in the mood to passively listen. JestyerAverageJoe 3 points ago in MensRights

    May I hijack your comment to ask a question?

    What can we do to help more feminists such as yourself to open dialogue with us, to understand our viewpoints, and to -- this is perhaps hardest -- overcome the false propagandistic messaging about us? (You've read it -- we're all supposed to be woman-hating virgin neckbeards who want to turn back the clock and force women back into the kitchens.) This lie is told so consistently about us that I cannot believe it is accidental, but rather, malicious, the goal of which is to discredit us and thereby discredit our grievances and the MHRM as a whole.

    [–] Feminist woman here, in the mood to passively listen. JestyerAverageJoe 51 points ago in MensRights

    Nothing much to add, except I don't really see a lot of value in gender exclusionary activities for children on either side.

    Do you see a problem with providing one sex, but only one sex, with the opportunity to socialize with only peers of that sex if they so choose?

    A place only for women and girls? "Empowering."

    A place only for men and boys? "Sexist."

    That's not OK.

    [–] Feminist woman here, in the mood to passively listen. JestyerAverageJoe 4 points ago * (lasted edited 6 days ago) in MensRights

    I would like to start by thanking you for being willing to listen. I think you'll perhaps realize that some of what you've been told about us is false. People who are willing to listen and learn are rare, so thank you. And for the record, if you support men and women having equal rights, you're welcome here.

    I am a leftist feminist, and I would like to know what my side of the spectrum can do to help your side feel less ostracized by mine.

    Very simple (and please understand that 2-3 are not directed at "you" but rather "your side"):

    1. Please watch The Red Pill, a film by a feminist filmmaker, exploring the Men's Rights Movement. She does a far better job than I could of summarizing the problems that we face from feminism.
    2. Stop doing shit like this. Why is "your side" so fixated on generalizing and demonizing all men?
    3. Stop demonizing the Men's Rights Movement. We don't want to send women back to the kitchen. We want our struggles to be taken seriously and to be included in the conversation.
    4. Most importantly: Realize that feminism is an ideology, and abandon "patriarchy theory." It is not a scientific theory; in fact, there are ample data invalidating the hypothesis. It is an actively harmful idea, and stands in opposition to continued gender equality.

    If you're interested in discussing further, I'd be happy to engage you. Do you have any particular questions? Any particular observations? What brought you to this point of passively listening? (Oh, and one more thing: I have no desire to mimic feminist groups. That you're a woman or that you're a feminist is irrelevant -- you're allowed to speak just as much as me.)

    [–] Female here. I would like to ask a few questions. JestyerAverageJoe 12 points ago in MensRights

    That's pretty hard to watch. It should be hard to watch. Mutilating babies isn't OK.

    [–] Female here. I would like to ask a few questions. JestyerAverageJoe 6 points ago in MensRights

    I've seen the film several times, but I don't think I know the portion you're referring to.