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    [–] Mens rights issues are "made up" - Australian opinion piece in response to the Mens March JestyerAverageJoe 11 points ago in MensRights

    Don't give them clicks. Content:


    The men's march organised by a woman

    As everyone knows, the most oppressed person in the world today is the humble white man. As part of the species masculine fragilitis, white men have been under assault for almost two years: enduring jokes made at their expense, women flippantly dismissing their earnest attempts to explain things to them that they already know, and news articles pointing out how many of us women and children they kill.

    For a time back there, they even had to endure a bloody woman prime minister, for heaven’s sake! Will nothing stop the indignity and humiliation to which men are being subjected?

    But don’t drown in those male tears just yet, because a beacon of hope glimmers on the horizon. On August 25, a march will be held in Melbourne to counter the vicious defamation of men and their characters. The organiser of the March For Men urges Australians to “rally together for masculinity, for men’s rights and just to demonstrate that we know that men matter too”.

    Similar protests and gatherings have been proposed before, but nothing’s ever come of it because the chances of men mobilising together to sort out their own issues are about non-existent as the oppression they imagine is being meted out against them.

    So can I just say there’s no shortage of f---ing irony in the fact that August’s march is being organised by a woman?

    Sydney Watson describes herself as a “conservative political commentator”. News Limited describes her as a “pro-gun, anti-feminist, half-American Donald Trump supporter”. I would probably more succinctly describe her as an idiot, but horses for courses I suppose.

    Still, what else do you call someone who thinks “the fight for women’s rights is harming the fight for men’s rights”? It’s okay, Sydney, I’m sure this will net you the job on Sky you’re clearly angling for (sorry, Daisy).

    The event page for March For Men states, “From the schoolyard to the office, Australians have been repeatedly reminded how undesirable it is to be a man. After weeks of attacks from the media, from politicians and from interest groups – enough is definitely enough!”

    Gosh, can you imagine having to suffer weeks of "attacks" from the media? Can you just imagine what it must feel like to have the bloody media writing articles about things that have actually happened, things that involve women being raped, beaten, murdered and stolen from the people they love? It must feel awful! Weeks of it! How can anyone let this injustice stand?

    Listen, sarcasm aside, men do have problems. Masculinity is in a state of crisis. Men are harmed by the world they live in. But none of that is because of feminism or the battle for women’s rights. Men suffer because of the patriarchy, not because women have started shouting back against victim-blaming again or told men to close their legs on public transport. It’s the patriarchy and toxic ideals of masculinity that hurt men, and part of this toxicity is in always seeking to shift blame onto the women that men have historically been told they have dominion over.

    We are constantly lectured to about this supposed goodness of men, how 99.9999 per cent of them are "wonderful" and how they deeply love the women in their lives (how generous of them, by the way).

    But, if that’s true, why do so many of them choose to respond to reports of horrific violence against women – violence that is gendered, often sexual and sometimes fatal – with the insistence that their feelings be taken into account when reporting it? Why do aspirational "Official Women" like Sydney Watson find it so much more galling and offensive to have men’s behaviour highlighted to them than they do the fact that so many women suffer at their hands?

    And why do they feel so much more passionately about reasserting their authority than they do commit to working with feminism and its goals to change behaviours that are harmful? Behaviours that don't just affect women, but that also see violence being perpetrated between men: boys being punched and killed on city streets, say, or assaulted on football fields.

    In June, a 22-year-old woman was raped and murdered while walking home from work. A man desecrated her memorial site and justified it as "an attack on feminism".

    Five days later and less than 2km from where that happened, another woman was dragged into a car and raped by more than one man. The men currently charged with that crime were cricket club teammates.

    A 28-year-old woman in Sydney was murdered and dumped in bushland, with her 19-year-old male housemate charged with the crime. A 19-year-old woman in Melbourne was stabbed during a party, and the racists in Victoria's community jumped to blame African gangs because maintaining racism is more appealing to them then demanding change from men in general.

    In the space of a single weekend shortly after all this, three women were murdered by men known to them.

    The men who chose to commit these crimes were fuelled by a sense of rage and/or entitlement that is directly informed by misogyny, gender inequality and patriarchy. These are things that men should be marching against and working to dismantle in their communities. Masculinity is not toxic and dangerous, but masculinity emboldened by patriarchy is both these things.

    And all those self described "good" men who ignore the gravity of these issues in deference to the ridiculous, made up one of "men's rights" are really just proving how their commitment to goodness is contingent on them still being able to enact it from a place of power and the warm glow of adoring women who will continue to put them first.

    [–] Creating a new MRA site + Wiki JestyerAverageJoe 3 points ago in MensRights

    This is a fantastic idea. I also have experience in site hosting and creation, moderation, and content creation and I'm happy to help however I can. I'm PMing you an idea for an available domain name that could work well.

    [–] Oh, how nice of you Tumblr.. JestyerAverageJoe 5 points ago in TumblrInAction

    I know; it's almost like white people are the new men with how freely they can be hated without anyone caring.

    [–] NASA’s Curiosity rover is lesbian. JestyerAverageJoe 16 points ago in TumblrInAction

    Doesn't that make it a sex robot? I thought feminists didn't like those.

    [–] Tumblr: "She's not good for you" JestyerAverageJoe 14 points ago in MensRights

    A little Sanity Sunday is good for the soul.

    [–] "She's not good for you" JestyerAverageJoe 2 points ago in TumblrInAction

    I have been told "but feminism is about equality!" just about as many times as I've had feminists behave like awful bigoted sexist assholes to me.

    At some point, the movement is defined by how it acts, and not by how you wish it was.

    [–] my sexuality makes me better than you! it’s not like we’ve been striving for “equality” or anything JestyerAverageJoe 1 points ago in TumblrInAction

    Sure. The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey of 2010 covers that. I'll steal from the Wikipedia summary of it for you:

    The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)'s 2010 National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey reported on the lifetime prevalence of rape, physical violence or stalking by an intimate partner, focusing for the first time on victimization by sexual orientation. In their study, there was a victimization prevalence of 43.8 percent for lesbians, which made it the second most affected group after bisexual women (61.1 percent), ahead of bisexual men (37.3 percent), heterosexual women (35 percent), heterosexual men (29 percent) and homosexual men (26 percent). 67.4% of lesbian women reported experiencing intimate partner violence only from female perpetrators.

    [–] Sarah Jeong is lying, her "cruel to old white men" wasn't a response to anything, she said it first. JestyerAverageJoe 1 points ago in MensRights

    I know quite a bit about the left. At one point, I considered myself a leftist. So, I'm curious to hear more of what you mean when you say that you "check 95% of the checkboxes" to be "leftwing." Go on. What does being "left wing" mean to you?

    [–] #MeToo Backlash In Corporate Canada Sees Women Locked Out JestyerAverageJoe 34 points ago in MensRights

    the culture "seems to think" that it's enough if men understand women.

    "The culture" also teaches women that their female intuition gives them a unique insight into how men think, without ever having to ask us.

    They are, of course, almost always wrong, because they're narcissistic morons.

    [–] Sarah Jeong is lying, her "cruel to old white men" wasn't a response to anything, she said it first. JestyerAverageJoe 0 points ago in MensRights

    It's been very hard to go anti-feminist and stay on the Left.

    What makes you a leftist? I'm curious how you maintain this contradictory superposition.

    [–] my sexuality makes me better than you! it’s not like we’ve been striving for “equality” or anything JestyerAverageJoe 32 points ago in TumblrInAction

    IIRC it has the highest level of DV of any type of relationship. Now, of course lesbian relationships have a much smaller sample size than heterosexual relationships so that raw number might be misleading

    Lesbian relationships absolutely have the highest rates of domestic violence, and it has nothing to do with the number of lesbians. They experience more intimate partner violence per capita. In other words, lesbian relationships are statistically most likely to be abusive. Gay relationships, conversely, are least likely. Heterosexual relationships fall in between. (Within heterosexual relationships, women are more likely to commit violence. Of the approximately 20% of relationships that involve violence, about half of the violence is reciprocal -- both the man and the woman are violent. Of the remaining half of violent relationships, where only one partner is violent, 70% of the time that violent partner is female.)

    tl;dr: The data suggest that girls are not made of sugar and spice.

    [–] MensLib's Official Position on the Men's Rights Movement, Feminism, and Other Related Topics JestyerAverageJoe 2 points ago in MensRights

    "The MRM is a toxic cult more obsessed with hating feminism than developing men's rights." would be my main example

    As someone who has done his fair share of hating on feminism, there is some truth here. Taking the piss out of feminists and debunking feminist lies is important, but I've been disappointed in the traction for activism when it gets posted, and when 9 out of 10 posts are just rage fuel, it isn't really productive.

    though they also think we hate women

    This part's harder, and more unavoidable right now. But, as more women begin to speak up and reject feminism, feminism will no longer be synonymous with "women," and will be easier to criticize without being accused of misogyny.

    [–] Things noticed around my sons birth JestyerAverageJoe 7 points ago in MensRights

    Gotta love when they have you to leave the room so they can ask Momma if she is safe.

    Jesus Christ. Really?

    [–] *five seconds later* ooh cry more male tears you neckbearded manbaby JestyerAverageJoe 1 points ago in TumblrInAction

    I'd certainly agree with you there. Modern feminism heavily emphasizes that women should have no responsibility for sex -- whether it be giving consent or withdrawing it retroactively, being allowed to dress extremely provocatively in all contexts without accepting any attention, giving up an unwanted child or having an abortion, etc. -- while simultaneously enforcing standards of male responsibility for sex that are absurd.

    In general, feminism preaches rights for women without commensurate responsibility, and responsibility for men without commensurate rights. While obviously misandrist, this is also pretty clearly misogynistic to me. Women, in my experience, are not simpleton child victims of every circumstance, but somehow feminism's caricature as such is alluring to a sad plurality of women.

    [–] *five seconds later* ooh cry more male tears you neckbearded manbaby JestyerAverageJoe 4 points ago in TumblrInAction

    Do you? I used to see a lot of sex-positive feminists, but over the past 20 years, they seem to have dwindled into irrelevance. The mainstream face of modern feminism does not seem particularly sex-positive to me.

    [–] *five seconds later* ooh cry more male tears you neckbearded manbaby JestyerAverageJoe 10 points ago in TumblrInAction

    One of my observations as I've grown older is that feminism seeks to encourage the type of behavior in men that makes men less attractive to women. I'm not sure whether this is conscious (it's possible; destruction of the traditional nuclear family was at one point an open goal of many feminists) or whether it is merely the result of a century of one-sided conversation on gender, where feminists believe the female experience in the world is the only one.

    Similarly, feminism encourages behaviors among women that, for many if not most women, lead to eventual regret, while simultaneously driving men away.

    [–] Low key think you shouldn’t hate yourself for being white JestyerAverageJoe 2 points ago in TumblrInAction

    The civil rights movement has taken a U turn from “ we shouldn’t see race and everyone should be treated equally” to “racism is the only way to achieve equality”

    FTFY