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    [–] A People’s History of the United States (Howard Zinn) MartyVanB 0 points ago in history

    "exploitation of China".

    What exactly was the exploitation?

    The argument Zinn appears to be making is that the objections and later embargo were mostly fueled by America's own imperialist interests being impacted rather than a pretense of caring about 'National Sovereignty" or "Chinese Freedom".

    Which I would strongly disagree with and I said "national interests" not "national sovereignty"

    Obviously American policy has always been a strange contradiction between Idealism and Self-Interest and I this this passage is exactly the value of Zinn's narrative - it tries to paint the actions are purely the result of cynical profiteering in stark contrast to the narrative that the objections and embargo was mostly due to moral objections. As we know of history the truth is somewhere in the middle and influenced by both factors.

    I agree its somewhere in the middle. The US government was horrified by the actions of the Japanese in China and rightly saw them as an aggressive power but the US also wanted to be able to trade with China or other Asian nations. This doesnt excuse American actions, most notably in the Philippines, in Asia during the late 19th or early 20th Centuries but it also wasnt for colonial purposes in China.

    [–] A People’s History of the United States (Howard Zinn) MartyVanB 0 points ago in history

    The problem is he casts the US, notice he says "exploitation of China", as this evil doer in China that had no right to object to the Japanese invasion/occupation therein. Of course the US objected, because of her interests, to this invasion and they did so with an embargo.

    [–] A People’s History of the United States (Howard Zinn) MartyVanB -1 points ago in history

    So you respond to a country refusing to sell you oil by attacking them?

    [–] A People’s History of the United States (Howard Zinn) MartyVanB 5 points ago in history

    Yes. The context he gives is inaccurate. The US didnt just put an embargo on for no reason and the US tried to work with the Japanese to life the embargo. Japan was so entrenched in China and refused to even begin pulling out. Japan knew that they did not have enough fuel to last very long to supply both the navy and land war in China and the militarists pushed that they had to go with the "Hail Mary" strategy of attacking Pearl Harbor as well as the Philippians and other European territories.

    [–] A People’s History of the United States (Howard Zinn) MartyVanB 5 points ago in history

    I dont think it is nitpicking and I didnt say he was a liar. He can give the perspectives and present an accurate overall picture at the same time

    [–] A People’s History of the United States (Howard Zinn) MartyVanB 1 points ago in history

    I think the stories are the best part of the book but yes, he does pick and choose and he admits this. I didnt say he made things completely up, I said he created a narrative and included things that fit the narrative only. Here is a quote:

    So long as Japan remained a well-behaved member of that imperial club of Great Powers who-in keeping with the Open Door Policy- were sharing the exploitation of China, the United States did not object. It had exchanged notes with Japan in 1917 saving "the Government of the United States recognizes that Japan has special interests in China." In 1928, according to Akira Iriye (After Imperialism,), American consuls in China supported the coming of Japanese troops. It was when Japan threatened potential U.S. markets by its attempted takeover of China, but especially as it moved toward the tin, rubber, and oil of Southeast Asia, that the United States became alarmed and took those measures which led to the Japanese attack: a total embargo on scrap iron, a total embargo on oil in the summer of 1941."

    [–] A People’s History of the United States (Howard Zinn) MartyVanB 6 points ago in history

    I know. The glorification of Columbus started dying in the 60s

    [–] A People’s History of the United States (Howard Zinn) MartyVanB 21 points ago in history

    Sort of. Its been years since I read it but IIRC he blames the economic embargo of Japan cutting it off from needed supplies forcing Japan to go to war to survive. Of course the economic embargo started because of Japan's invasion and brutal occupation of China and Japan needed those supplies to keep the war in China going

    [–] 2020 3* OL Seth McLaughlin commits to Alabama MartyVanB 3 points ago in CFB

    You have a better than 50% chance of being drafted if you are 5 star. Its less than 7% if you are a 3 star

    [–] 2020 3* OL Seth McLaughlin commits to Alabama MartyVanB 2 points ago in CFB

    Not even close to true

    It’s not a scientific set of data (you'd need years of it to make an absolute conclusion), but here’s what the percentage of players drafted per recruiting rankings look like if you combine the two years of draft data: Five-star (61.6%), Four-star (23.3%), Three-star (5.95%) and two-star (1.25%).

    https://247sports.com/Article/NFL-Draft-recruiting-rankings-go-hand-in-hand--117819292/

    [–] A People’s History of the United States (Howard Zinn) MartyVanB 14 points ago in history

    and what a Great Explorer Columbus was.

    Pretty sure that narrative was countered years before he wrote A Peoples History

    [–] A People’s History of the United States (Howard Zinn) MartyVanB 32 points ago in history

    I dont think that is the part that many people hate

    [–] A People’s History of the United States (Howard Zinn) MartyVanB 26 points ago in history

    As an example, he blames the US for starting the war in the Pacific.

    [–] A People’s History of the United States (Howard Zinn) MartyVanB 15 points ago in history

    Ill say this about Zinn, he does advocate a perspective that needs to be shown but he does it in a manner that is a narrative and a narrative that he pushes to the point of ignoring evidence that counters it. This doesnt make him completely different than many historians but read it with a grain of salt and seek other sources

    [–] Getting cooled air piped into the car while enjoying a meal at a drive-in restaurant. Houston, Texas, 1957. MartyVanB 3 points ago in TheWayWeWere

    I just think I need to get a Summer place in Denver and live there from June till November like the Vanderbilts and Astors used to do.