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    [–] Alabama has the worst poverty in the developed world, U.N. official says TracyMorganFreeman -1 points ago in politics

    i got great access to educated employees due to free education

    A larger percent of the US workforce has degrees than Scandinavia

    i got a high paying consumerbase due to high average wages mainly because of unions.

    Weird since the US is number 2 in the world there

    If you want a little more in depth answer, i can recommend this ted talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9UmdY0E8hU from a famous norwegian comedian/sociologist

    Richness line is net worth, compared to the poorness line which is an income.

    Singapore isn't a pure tax haven; it just has lower, less progressive taxes. He's just ignoring inconvenient data.

    There's nothing interesting about cherry picking data(or outright just claiming these countries are better along these lines when they aren't), and every argument along these lines I see relies on it.

    [–] Alabama has the worst poverty in the developed world, U.N. official says TracyMorganFreeman 0 points ago in politics

    Weird given the US has a higher percent of its workforce with a degree than all Nordic countries-which includes the 3 Scandinavian ones.

    [–] Alabama has the worst poverty in the developed world, U.N. official says TracyMorganFreeman 1 points ago in politics

    Adding on to that, even high performing individuals aren't as high performing as one might initially think. For example blacks who attend MIT are like most who attend MIT in the 90th percentile or better in the nation, but they are in the bottom 10% at MIT.

    [–] Alabama has the worst poverty in the developed world, U.N. official says TracyMorganFreeman 2 points ago in politics

    The US has the 2nd highest college attendance rate in the world after Finland.

    It has a greater percent of its workforce with tertiary education than most of the developed world, including all 5 Nordic countries.

    Making college free won't change the fact too many people are getting unneeded degrees.

    [–] Alabama has the worst poverty in the developed world, U.N. official says TracyMorganFreeman 1 points ago in politics

    Upward, intergeneral mobility relatively.

    Looking at absolute, intragenerational longitudinal mobility it's quite high.

    [–] Alabama has the worst poverty in the developed world, U.N. official says TracyMorganFreeman 1 points ago in politics

    If memory serves the US tracks along a much bigger window for infant mortality, so it will capture more.

    [–] Men Are Now Officially Second Class Citizens - So What Are We Doing About It? TracyMorganFreeman 1 points ago in MensRights

    People start out lacking basic things, and find them in in substances. Its more common in the lower classes.

    Funny that

    Seems to be the other way around.

    Due to regulation.

    WRONG. The FLSA wasn't until 1938, and hours worked had been falling steadily for decades before.

    Working hours are going back up, people with any responsibility in american listed corps are often expected to be at beck and call 24/7.

    Thanks inflation and regulatory obstacles to increasing one's income.

    Humans are naturally instinctivly collective.

    Not the same thing as your particular brand of collective. Fallacy by division.

    Its the cia funded, right wing postmodernist social sciences thats doing that.

    Nope. Child illegitimacy among blacks was lower than whites for decades even through Jim Crow, and it wasn't until the government started handing out money to mothers without a father that suddenly the illegitimacy rate skyrocketed.

    Your moronic approach literally incentivized breaking up families.

    Not really, if that was the case there wouldn't be any need for advertising propaganda to implant desires in the subconscious.

    People don't know about every product all the time.

    Exploiting other peoples labour, leaving them with little to no choice but to work excessive hours for sustinance wages is a good one.

    Still not showing how it's exploitation.

    [–] Men Are Now Officially Second Class Citizens - So What Are We Doing About It? TracyMorganFreeman 2 points ago in MensRights

    Yeah, you see it as a success of millions of men lose health care, and the money then redistributed to the elite.

    Nope. Redistribution implies a central distributor.

    Wealth is created and destroyed.

    The group you want to help, is already fine - much more than fine.

    Who said I want to help the rich and only the rich?

    [–] Men Are Now Officially Second Class Citizens - So What Are We Doing About It? TracyMorganFreeman 1 points ago in MensRights

    You dont understand addiction.

    I understand people don't start out addicted.

    Did it improve slightly on the oppression that went before - working hours went up and became more totalitarian.

    Works hours went up then dropped precipitously over time.

    Snapshot data is not representative.

    How humans live - collectively. Individualism is a recent social engineering project.

    No humans live together and interact with each other. Not the same as just forcing everyone to contribute to a pot the size and use of which is determined by the tyranny of the majority.

    The elite are even splitting the last human groupings apart, the family and men and women - extreme individualism.

    Hilarious given it's the war on poverty that's doing that.

    No. Im saying that if we all work collectively to survive, and one day you get a good haul in game and you don't share, you would not fair well in the group.

    Except you ignore that in capitalism, the only way you get a good haul is by providing goods and services people want.

    You're essentially saying you're owed free stuff, because you want to be paid for having bought that stuff from them.

    It's moronic and childish.

    [–] The cost of the GOP tax bill over 10 years? 1.4 trillion. It passed. The cost of the children's health program for 1 year is 8.5 billion, and would cover 9 million kids. It hasn't passed. The GOP will literally let kids die in order to give tax breaks to the rich and huge corporations. Fuck them. TracyMorganFreeman 1 points ago in Political_Revolution

    It's not the childs fault that their care taker is unable to give them health care.

    It's the parents, but I'm guessing you're not for holding the parent responsible?

    If a parent knowingly brings a child into this world that they can't provide for, that's pretty damning evidence they are unwilling or unable to be a parent, and the child should be put in a home that is.

    Your proposal only incentivizes people to bring children into the world they can't otherwise provide for.

    [–] Men Are Now Officially Second Class Citizens - So What Are We Doing About It? TracyMorganFreeman 1 points ago in MensRights

    You're not paying anyone. You're hiring people to take the money from others which is used to pay them.

    You aren't willing to sacrifice anything of yours to help people, but expect others to, and wish to use force for compliance.

    [–] Men Are Now Officially Second Class Citizens - So What Are We Doing About It? TracyMorganFreeman 1 points ago in MensRights

    These are men in market economies, where their dire situation is just the cost of putting market forces before social consequences, therefore correct

    Oh so you think someone who gets addicting to heroin is doing that?

    You don't think maybe they were prioritizing their own selfish desires, and acting irresponsibly?

    They were forced, the people were deprived of their way of life and were forced to move into squalid cites to work longer hours in more dictatorial conditions.

    And yet poverty went down during the industrial revolution...

    It didnt last very long at all before it was changed in favour of a more social and ethical system.

    Politics is about expediency and feelings.

    You're right once enough people convinced themselves they were victims and could live off taking other's wealth regardless of their own contributions, you were all willing to give up your liberties to even more from others.

    Ethical my ass.

    No, verses social markets in the modern sense, superiour forms of capitalism that produce better growth that are closer to human nature.

    Based on?

    If a small group of us was out in the wild, and a guy like you was there who didnt give a fuck about the group and acted in ways damaged the survival of the rest you'd quickly be "regulated" by the commuity.

    Oh you're doing the stupid thing again where if I don't like your policy, then I must not care.

    [–] Men Are Now Officially Second Class Citizens - So What Are We Doing About It? TracyMorganFreeman 1 points ago in MensRights

    Oh no that doesn't count. You're spending your time to take other's money.

    Put your money where your mouth is.

    [–] The cost of the GOP tax bill over 10 years? 1.4 trillion. It passed. The cost of the children's health program for 1 year is 8.5 billion, and would cover 9 million kids. It hasn't passed. The GOP will literally let kids die in order to give tax breaks to the rich and huge corporations. Fuck them. TracyMorganFreeman 1 points ago in Political_Revolution

    Yes one has, even if the amount of high ground would be called subterrain. Especially if the Republicans speak - as you tell - about personal responsibility.

    How so?

    You have strange priorities.

    Here I thought lying under oath was a mark against someone holding public office.

    It's not that it's a top priority, but more evidence that each side doesn't really care about principles except as a rhetorical cudgel against the other side.

    [–] Men Are Now Officially Second Class Citizens - So What Are We Doing About It? TracyMorganFreeman 1 points ago in MensRights

    Look at the majority of men in the latin american free market dictatships or singapore, or the men that pass out on the street in hong kong.

    Men being in dire situations does not imply they were exploited. Sometimes it is of their own doing.

    Or the factories in the 1800s and say thats not exploitation with a straight face.

    Nope. Those people volunteered to work there. You can't volunteer to be exploited, provided the agreement under which you volunteered is honored.

    Allowing the market to rule regardless of social consequences.

    Versus social markets ruling regardless of ethical or economic consequences.

    The reality is this debate can be summed up as deontology vs consequentialism.

    [–] Men Are Now Officially Second Class Citizens - So What Are We Doing About It? TracyMorganFreeman 1 points ago in MensRights

    Or people who keep saying they care about these people can voluntarily give their time and money to help them.