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    [–] Supervisors Tried to Make Me Look Bad, So I Made Them Look Worse foxgotsocks 1 points ago in pettyrevenge

    You're absolutely right and I previously had a policy of checking in with Supervisor when she had something of mine she needed to review, but she told me to stop doing that because she "didn't need reminding." So by the point I described in my story, I'd stopped checking in and had only the read receipt to go on. The receipt at least showed her inbox received it; the email client didn't fail and not deliver it at all, so she had it available to her.

    [–] Supervisors Tried to Make Me Look Bad, So I Made Them Look Worse foxgotsocks 1 points ago in pettyrevenge

    I agree that that's the best practice. I had previously checked in with her (by email or stopping by her office) on things that needed her review but she told me to stop because she "didn't need reminding all the time." So I stopped.

    [–] Supervisors Tried to Make Me Look Bad, So I Made Them Look Worse foxgotsocks 1 points ago in pettyrevenge

    "We have to behave neutrally" is the biggest difference between public and private work, I'd say. We have so many rules about appearances of impropriety. The attorneys in my office were also expected by the courts to be a lot more balanced and neutral than private attorneys, who could shout in court and make ridiculous arguments as much as they wanted.

    [–] Supervisors Tried to Make Me Look Bad, So I Made Them Look Worse foxgotsocks 3 points ago in pettyrevenge

    OP here and yes this is how the office I described in my story operates. It has multiple "sections" with mid-level supervisors and chiefs, and higher-up bosses who coordinate with the whole office. It represents every state-level government agency as clients. Whereas if you're counsel for a company, your client is that company. And if you work at a private firm, your clients are whatever individuals and businesses your firm has solicited business from.

    [–] Supervisors Tried to Make Me Look Bad, So I Made Them Look Worse foxgotsocks 5 points ago in pettyrevenge

    This is exactly how I feel about government work so THANK YOU. Sure there are some bad apples like the people I described in the OP, but we're not ALL like that. The attorneys in my office worked for peanuts compared to private sector employees, and they were NOT cushy, easy jobs. We were chronically understaffed and my office was counsel to every single state government agency so we were often working tons of extra hours for no extra pay. Plus the "bloated unfair health insurance and benefits" we got? Got mostly legislated away over the course of the six years I was there, which forced a bunch of honest, good workers out to find higher-paying jobs and again left our office understaffed and with less GOOD employees. Yes, taxpayer dollars paid my salary. But hey y'know? I'm a taxpayer too.

    [–] Supervisors Tried to Make Me Look Bad, So I Made Them Look Worse foxgotsocks 4 points ago in pettyrevenge

    Yeah that's been my experience too. My section had a few crappy people and two of them just happened to be middle-managers, but most of us worked our asses off (we were horribly understaffed for most of the six years I was there). But I had buddies in other sections where the bosses were better, and they were all happy and productive. It was the same with my client agency--worked with a lot of decent people there, and a few lazy buttholes. It's not ALL of government that's terrible, it's just SOME.

    [–] Supervisors Tried to Make Me Look Bad, So I Made Them Look Worse foxgotsocks 5 points ago in pettyrevenge

    Oh I'm sure I wouldn't have gotten promoted if those two had anything to say about it, you're right. But instead I just got a better job elsewhere!

    [–] Supervisors Tried to Make Me Look Bad, So I Made Them Look Worse foxgotsocks 1 points ago in pettyrevenge

    They do in government offices and I assume also in corporate counsel-type practice. At firms, not as much, as the previous replies say. But in government it's usually structured more like a company, with supervisors, because all the attorneys are representing government clients. The office itself isn't independent, it's a part of the government, so the attorneys themselves aren't independent either. To put it another way, when you're representing a state agency you can't just advise them whatever YOU think is best. The advice has to be vetted first to make sure it's in line with past practice and will look good to the public, etc. Which in some cases is great, but not when the people who are supposed to be doing the vetting are incompetent dumbasses.

    [–] Supervisors Tried to Make Me Look Bad, So I Made Them Look Worse foxgotsocks 3 points ago in pettyrevenge

    Oh my god, even if the Sgt did threaten you afterward it MUST have been satisfying to get him in trouble like that. Your answer to the LT wasn't even overtly throwing him under the bus, either--you just told the truth like you assumed he didn't have the list either. That's the best, when you don't appear petty to the higher-up but still can achieve a bit of revenge.

    [–] Supervisors Tried to Make Me Look Bad, So I Made Them Look Worse foxgotsocks 1 points ago in pettyrevenge

    Heyyyyy fellow government attorney! (I work for my state's courts now so I'm still government despite changing jobs.) I wish you luck in your newer department that you do not encounter much bullshit at all.

    [–] Supervisors Tried to Make Me Look Bad, So I Made Them Look Worse foxgotsocks 30 points ago in pettyrevenge

    My personality is usually pretty non-confrontational but then I realized that the fact that my clients and most of the office knew me as a Nice Person could be used as a weapon. I can't say I learned the skill from any specific source, but I recommend it to anyone with a shitty mid-level boss honestly. Better to ask a higher boss "I just want to make sure, is this the right way to do things?" in a concerned tone of voice than yell back at the offending supervisor and end up looking like it's a mutual fight. You're just clarifying that you're following proper procedures! You aren't trying to make anyone look bad at all! Thinking of the office/company's good name! And then you destroy your enemy and come off smelling like roses because hey, all you did was ask a question~

    [–] Supervisors Tried to Make Me Look Bad, So I Made Them Look Worse foxgotsocks 611 points ago in pettyrevenge

    They didn't immediately learn their lesson and tried to get me in trouble a couple more times, but after I used the same tactic of copying someone higher up the food chain on my responses and attaching emails that made them look like fools, they finally decided to get me as far away as possible by assigning me more appellate-level work they weren't responsible for reviewing. I ended up using my appellate briefs as writing samples for my job application to my current, better-paying and way more prestigious job. God, the look on Section Chief's face when I gave her my notice was WORTH IT.

    [–] Supervisors Tried to Make Me Look Bad, So I Made Them Look Worse foxgotsocks 105 points ago in pettyrevenge

    I don't know what I did specifically to draw their ire in the first place but it seemed like they were nasty to anyone they felt threatened by, especially other women. There were a few others of us in the section who got the same kind of treatment. They were always pretty nice to anyone who just kind of went along with whatever they said without bringing up inconvenient things like "Hey uh, that's not what that statute says" or "Maybe could you assign things the day you receive them instead of waiting until the day before they're due?"

    [–] Supervisors Tried to Make Me Look Bad, So I Made Them Look Worse foxgotsocks 774 points ago in pettyrevenge

    Yep, everyone involved was an attorney except the client folks. Those two were really, really bad at their jobs but got promoted through the magic of seniority. Definitely the sort of person the phrase 'good enough for government work' describes.

    [–] 1L Hating Law School foxgotsocks 1 points ago in LawSchool

    With regard to professors insulting you, if all else fails try Spite(tm)! Professor interprets you asking a clarifying question as you being stupid? Keep getting great scores on class assignments, study hard, and get a super grade on the exam. You SHOW that professor! They're the ignorant one for pre-judging you! In this kind of situation, spite is harmless and can actually help drive you and make you feel even better when you do well.

    Anyway, (half) joking aside, you're far from 'nothing.' Some people are just assholes who think being mean is a substitute for actually teaching. It sounds like you're doing well grades-wise and that you're looking forward to actually practicing law. Three years sounds like a long time, but once you're done you're DONE and can get on with the rest of your life, hopefully doing great work at a job you love. And back to spite, meanwhile those professors will still be back at school thinking they're hot stuff because they can get away with making smug remarks to brand new students who can't really defend themselves. Hang in there and good luck!

    [–] I Don't Feel Ready to Clerk foxgotsocks 3 points ago in LawSchool

    Congrats on landing the job! Like the others have said, you'll get training. I didn't know the full extent of what I was in for before I clerked either. Think of it this way: you wouldn't have been hired if the judge/court/HR didn't think you were qualified.

    My clerkship was with a state-level appellate court judge so it was likely some different kinds of work than you'll be doing, but I had a great year and ended up learning a lot while also feeling like I was helping my judge. Also, my father is now a judge and trust me, you will NOT be fired for making honest mistakes or not knowing what you're doing at first (the worst he's done is like...give constructive criticism on his clerks' memos or tell them to please not do something again). A big part of a clerkship is that it's a learning experience on top of a job, so do your best to get the most out of it that you can. Good luck!

    [–] Casebooks are not for the weak of heart foxgotsocks 13 points ago in LawSchool

    At my office's monthly staff meetings we go around the table and talk about our current cases and last month I said, "So he shot them both, drove the bodies to his grandmother's house, sawed off their heads and hands and buried them, and then at trial he blamed it all on some random prostitute he never mentioned before getting on the stand--like you do," and my coworkers laughed. Sometimes you just have to distance yourself from the tragedies and laugh at how stupid the people involved are, to avoid just being upset all the time.

    [–] For the law school graduates, what was life like right after graduating? foxgotsocks 2 points ago in LawSchool

    Same here, also "the very next day" was literally my birthday so that was super fun.

    [–] A federal judge enjoying the perks of his lifetime appointment. foxgotsocks 3 points ago in LawSchool

    Noble v. Bradford Marine, 789 F. Supp. 395 (S. D. Fla. 1992):

    "As a result, PRIME TIME's removal, almost ten months after MUIR commenced suit, is untimely and is a defect deemed "way" improvident. For similar reasons, the court finds that removal of the NOBLE case, which had been remanded, was also untimely. In short, PRIME TIME's most bogus attempt at removal is "not worthy" and the Defendants must "party on" in state court."

    All the point headings in the opinion are Wayne's World references or lingo ("A Schwing and a Miss" for ex).

    [–] [Rant] Fuck California's appellate courts and their decision to not publish cases entirely relevant to every argument I seemingly ever want to make. foxgotsocks 3 points ago in LawSchool

    Oh my god I hate it when this happens. I work for my state's appellate court doing research memos on complex cases, and sometimes there is the PERFECT GODDAMN CASE that ALL parties in my case are citing, but it's unpublished so I'm literally not permitted to cite it in my memo. Because the court can't/won't want to cite it in its opinion. Which also won't be published. So there will never be a good published case on the topic. And my coworkers and I will just have to keep citing tangential bullshit instead.

    [–] [Clerkship] Should I interview? foxgotsocks 1 points ago in LawSchool

    Definitely interview. Clerkships are invaluable as learning experiences, resume-builders, and sometimes even networking opportunities. At the very least, if you go over there to interview and discover you really hate the location or the judge or something, it's never bad to have gotten more experience with interviewing.

    [–] Is it normal to feel like I'm not really learning anything? foxgotsocks 2 points ago in LawSchool

    It's normal, don't fret yet. As you said, you've only had one class per course. You're a 1L, you're still getting used to learning HOW to learn and think in law school. The first couple classes in 1L are meant to help you do that, but they also sometimes involve throwing you in the deep end full of new terminology and concepts. You're meant to be getting immersed. Over the next weeks of classes it'll probably get more familiar and you'll find yourself putting the pieces together and absorbing things.