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    [–] On this day 80 years ago Germany and the USSR signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. That's why today we mark the European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism gman2015 1 points ago in europe

    Starting with the simple fact that listing all the wrongs of one side doesn't make the other side better. Only when you list all the wrongs from both sides can you properly compare.

    But to your point

    tricked the 1948 election in italy,

    As opposed to outright banning opposition parties. One is bad, the other is worse.

    has military bases all over europe until 2044 (and we pay for them)

    NATO bases.

    decides our defense budget through NATO

    If it did, Trump wouldn't be so upset about NATO defense spending

    has made goverments who were anti-war go to war with them using gangster blackmail tactics (italy and germany in iraq)

    Gross exaggeration and very subjective. The USA also paid those countries

    America has had full control over western europe until relative recent times,

    Some control, not full. Europe had full control over it's domestic agenda. Which is more than the Eastern Bloc

    why do you think the british, french, dutch, etc. Would all at some point fall back from their colonial possessions (and after they invested so much in keeping them after ww2, especially the french)?

    Because Russians and Americans were financing and arming separatist movements.

    [–] On this day 80 years ago Germany and the USSR signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. That's why today we mark the European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism gman2015 1 points ago in europe

    Hahaha

    Talk about switching the topic

    even today we're under a greater level of influence from the americans

    Showed you that they don't have that inside in Europe and your argument is just flawed.

    Finally, Europeans care about Europe, what a shock. Because South Americans are always talking about European issues? Or Asians about European issues?

    Here's a simple logic for you, South America care about South American issues, Asia with Asian issues, Africa with African issues, etc... Untill finally, Europe with European issues.

    [–] On this day 80 years ago Germany and the USSR signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. That's why today we mark the European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism gman2015 1 points ago in europe

    If the russians were aggressors to Europe also the americans were

    Which European countries did the Americans keep control of?

    25 - 30 milions the murdered in mere 6 years

    Casualties or something he war, vs killed during peace time for no reason

    This to point out that they didn't really use gulags as a tool to control foreign populations

    Not to ethnically cleanse like the Nazi, but they did use it to keep the population under control, by sending anyone with any level of education there.

    Although the same principles were applied to the Russian population.

    [–] On this day 80 years ago Germany and the USSR signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. That's why today we mark the European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism gman2015 1 points ago in europe

    even today we're under a greater level of influence from the americans

    Sure, remember when the American send troops in to stop protests in Europe? Oh that's right, never happened.

    everyone seems to be ok with it

    The fact that "everyone is ok with it" should have been the fact that would have made you question the whole narrative.

    But no, instead everyone is wrong that that one story you heard is right.

    [–] On this day 80 years ago Germany and the USSR signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. That's why today we mark the European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism gman2015 1 points ago in europe

    The bad were in Eastern Europe.

    Russian part was mostly alright during he Soviet times.

    And the West stole and destroyed everything is a narrative that is said today, but at the time he leadership was saying that the entire government had become paralysed and orders from the Kremlin wasn't being executed anywhere.

    [–] On this day 80 years ago Germany and the USSR signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. That's why today we mark the European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism gman2015 1 points ago in europe

    There are Nazi in positions of power in Germany, therefore I will annex Hungary.

    You can justify it any way you want, Hungarian, Czechs, Slovenians, Lithuanians, etc... All had their prosperity wiped out because of it.

    [–] On this day 80 years ago Germany and the USSR signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. That's why today we mark the European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism gman2015 0 points ago in europe

    but i don't recall russians killing 6 milions jews with an industrial method

    They killed million of eastern European with non-industrial method, by deporting the to Siberia.

    You are playing the "let's count the deaths but only between 1942 and 1944, or let's count the deaths but only in Poland game.

    The Soviet army was as much an agressor as the German army was, to the Europeans.

    To the Russians they are heroes and should be celebrated by the Russians.

    Nobody is pissing on the graves of the poor people forced to fight Ina stupid senseless war, the Russian soldiers fought brave and hard to defend their homes, and Stalin is the one that told them to stay and force his power in Europe.

    But it doesn't change the fact, that decision made those same European countries to be occupied from the Germans to the Russians.

    [–] On this day 80 years ago Germany and the USSR signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. That's why today we mark the European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism gman2015 2 points ago in europe

    Lenin was communism executed.

    Stalinism was like that pass-fail student in communism suddenly became the head of state.

    He implement what he thought was communism, maybe, but he didn't really understand not care for it.

    [–] On this day 80 years ago Germany and the USSR signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. That's why today we mark the European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism gman2015 -1 points ago in europe

    I'm not defending either, just pointing out these specific aspects are not part of the ideology

    Lie, kill, and arrest opposition to gain power. Check

    Something they did, but not part of the ideology

    Brainwashed morons are you supporters.

    Same as above

    Totalitarian regimes that take away freedom of the people

    This, is part of the ideology

    Eliminate democracy

    Not eliminate, just incompatible

    Mass murders/genocide

    Part of Naziism but not Stalinism ideology