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    [–] The original Woman who saved Star Trek before it began. Lucile Ball from I Love Lucy pandott 1 points ago in startrek

    You look at schematics of the starships and wonder where the sewage system/water recapturing happens. I think about this a lot. Maybe too much -- but then astronauts in the ISS are still figuring this...... sh*t out.

    [–] Women who love ‘Star Trek’ are the reason that modern fandom exists pandott 3 points ago in startrek

    Women being a huge part of fandom, conventions, and sci fi in general does not neccessarily diminish the content they consume as being sexist.

    I love TOS, it's my favorite of the shows. I still acknowledge that there are sexist moments and sexist episodes. I wish "Turnabout Intruder" never happened. I will always skip "A Wolf in the Fold". And you know what? "The Enemy Within" is sexist to BOTH men AND women.

    Yet I still love the show -- I just acknowledge and am willing to talk about parts of it that are archaic.

    [–] Women who love ‘Star Trek’ are the reason that modern fandom exists pandott 3 points ago * (lasted edited 7 days ago) in startrek

    Roddenberry knew what he was doing though, he knew his demographics and he capitalized on it. Women loved Kirk; they intentionally cast someone who would be both handsome and nonthreatening. Women certainly LOVED Spock as well. It was that way from day one, so "a wider appeal than expected" is not accurate.

    And that's all superficial -- not to mention all the contributions women have made to sci fi otherwise, which we simply don't talk about nearly enough. Mary Shelly invented sci fi. Countless other women authors after her helped develop it (including several prominent women Star Trek novel writers).

    [–] Who's your favourite TNG character? Mine is Reginald Barclay or Reg for short. pandott 2 points ago in startrek

    I'm not really attached to any of the main cast. I do have several attachments for supporting characters. My favorite among them is Barclay also.

    [–] What IS the story behind the goofy 90's Star Trek civvie clothing? pandott 2 points ago in startrek

    This is the correct answer. 90s fashion was oddball but it was raver pants and halter tops with spandex leggings and throwback hippie clothing and flannel and denim. TNG is just fancy jammies. 👍

    [–] Episodes of Star Trek that you love but everyone else hates pandott 2 points ago in startrek

    It's my second favorite ep after "Arena" and it always makes me a bit sad to see people hate it. But I learned the other day that it was DeForrest Kelly's favorite episode to do, so that's some consolation!

    [–] Ever notice that DS9 has no "Spock equivalent"? pandott 1 points ago in startrek

    And they weren't the first, there was Valeris as the original betrayer. I'm so glad they made a new character for this role, instead of making it Saavik. That was the right decision. Making it Saavik, with her half-Romulan heritage, would not only have been sad for an originally good character, it would have muddied the message about prejudice of STVI.

    But personally I like the asshole Vulcan trope and I love what ENT did with it. It's great to see some Vulcans have faults or follow a perverted version of their philosophy. That is way more interesting than making them immutably Good.

    [–] Ever notice that DS9 has no "Spock equivalent"? pandott 1 points ago in startrek

    Funny coincidence that I was just thinking about this yesterday completely randomly. But yeah, what everyone else said, I came to the same conclusion myself that it's Odo.

    It's not that Spock/Data/Seven/T'Pol are unemotional and that's the end of the story. They certainly are all emotional. They just all either keep a close guard on it (the Vulcans) or have a different way of expressing it. Odo is sort of a combination of both.

    [–] What’s your favorite corny scene and why. pandott 3 points ago in startrek

    Awwww, that really makes my day to learn!! Thanks!

    [–] Which popular episodes do you dislike and why? Alternatively, which unpopular episodes do you like and why? pandott 1 points ago in startrek

    That is true enough. I love ToS even when it's hammy. The only times I dislike it are when it's more dull than exciting, or when the women are treated badly.

    [–] What's an unpopular thing about Star Trek that you enjoy? pandott 3 points ago in startrek

    Bashir in DS9's first few seasons. Yes, he absolutely came on too strong at first with Jadzia when they met. But he never really gets creepy-level with her. I always felt like it was clear from the start that a) yes he was attracted to her of course, but also b) genuinely wanted to be her friend. Even if he's a bit of a horndog, he does respect her.

    [–] What’s your favorite corny scene and why. pandott 3 points ago in startrek

    VOY "Future's End". Awesomely 90s, right down to the shoulderpadded power suit. Computers from that era with processors loud enough you could hear the rattling.

    ToS "The Empath". I just love the sentimentality in this episode. The characters show how much they really care about one another. And Gem is precious, protect her. I also agree about "Arena"<3

    DS9 "Rivals" and Bashir in his raquetball suit. Pfffft.

    [–] Which popular episodes do you dislike and why? Alternatively, which unpopular episodes do you like and why? pandott 1 points ago in startrek

    I'm with you halfway at least. As a character in general I like him, he's fine to have around. But the "EMH episodes" are stretching it too far for me, which is a shame.

    [–] Which popular episodes do you dislike and why? Alternatively, which unpopular episodes do you like and why? pandott 1 points ago in startrek

    "Rightfully despised", but why though? It's got a great message. The only reason I've seen people criticize this one is because they can't get past the hamminess. The humiliation is uncomfortable of course, but that's the whole point of it.

    [–] Which popular episodes do you dislike and why? Alternatively, which unpopular episodes do you like and why? pandott 1 points ago in startrek

    I agree with you on a lot of this. The only thing I like about this episode is that it's supposed to be a rough allegory about climate change. But so much of it centers on Picard's experience that it gets a bit lost. Some would call that "subtle" I guess, I'd just call it weak.

    [–] Where should the kids start? pandott 2 points ago in startrek

    I fully admit I didn't enjoy ToS as a kid. I love it now, but that's because I've had a lot more time to come around to it, enjoy the stories and characters for what they meant with more knowledge of the context it was in. I think the best place to start would be TNG. Even as a kid I loved it. The adult Wesley haters have a chip on their shoulder -- kids love Wesley.

    [–] Unsubscribing until we can be done with the "this is star trek" crap pandott 18 points ago in startrek

    There are days at a time I don't check this sub. It's no big deal. No need to draw attention to yourself.

    [–] TIL that the infamous "first" interracial kiss on TV, during Star Trek's 3rd season, was aired because William Shatner screwed up the non-kiss version of that same scene on purpose. pandott 0 points ago in startrek

    Oh boy. I've personally run into more than a few of these bigots who are grossly racist and homophobic, so I really cannot take you at face value there. Legitimate and intelligent criticism is fine, but I've seen plenty that wasn't.

    I can't help but point out that you didn't answer my last question. Something to think about.

    Let me just ask you this: have you seen "What We Left Behind" yet? The actors read critical fan letters out loud and, this is no exaggeration, so much of it sounds, line for line, word for word, exactly like the kind of criticism I've seen on this very board about Discovery. Right down to calling Jadzia "too perfect". It's astonishing. DS9 was an underdog for so long, and now it's experiencing a renaissance, with plenty of people maintaining that it's the best Trek has ever been.

    To that end, I don't white knight Discovery, again some criticism is legitimate. But basing that criticism on the way it's marketed is frankly pointless. I bet you dollars to donuts that in 10+ years everyone will have completely forgotten the marketing, Discovery will be remembered just like every other Trek before it. That it had a shaky first few seasons, found its stride, and from then on found its place in the hall of Trek, as being both controversial and groundbreaking. You mark my words.

    [–] TIL that the infamous "first" interracial kiss on TV, during Star Trek's 3rd season, was aired because William Shatner screwed up the non-kiss version of that same scene on purpose. pandott 2 points ago in startrek

    I just want to take this opportunity to mention that I have so much respect for what Ira Stephen Behr says about gay representation in "What We Left Behind". He absolutely owns up to the fact that he didn't find this satisfying in DS9, and he starts to spitball this idea that what they should have done was have Garak come out earlier on and make that an ongoing thing.

    I really can't fully agree with the people who think "this is all we were allowed to do in the 90s." I'm just gonna say it, it's all Berman allowed Star Trek to do in the 90s. I contend that having Garak be an openly gay character would not have hurt the show.

    [–] TIL that the infamous "first" interracial kiss on TV, during Star Trek's 3rd season, was aired because William Shatner screwed up the non-kiss version of that same scene on purpose. pandott 0 points ago in startrek

    So how come no one ever mentions this part when they're making this argument? The marketing is a whole different beast from the show. Decades after the show airs, the marketing only comes up occasionally such as for nostalgic reasons (people posting old ToS-related adverts to this sub this week for example).

    In the show proper these things are not a big deal. No one ever draws attention to Burnham's race, nor Stamets and Culber's relationship. These are both perfectly normal things. So when the show is fine, why should the marketing ruin the experience for you so badly?

    [–] If someone asked why should they start watching Star trek what would you say? pandott 1 points ago in startrek

    "Do you like cool characters and fun stories? Go for it."

    Everything else will fall into place after that.

    [–] What's your rating of the movies, from best to worst? pandott 2 points ago in startrek

    Someone sits me down with the choice of "The Phantom Menace" or "Into Darkness"... oof......... that is a tough call. I think I just cleared my head with this koan. Cheers!

    [–] What's your rating of the movies, from best to worst? pandott 1 points ago in startrek

    I agree, Move Along Home wasn't that bad of an episode. The cheeseball acting is all part of the charm. I just hate the Wadi "design" and their pompousness.