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    [–] What do you think of the idea for the UK to leave first and negotiate for a deal later? quick_justice 5 points ago in ukpolitics

    Shortly and simply once you leave all risks play out and get mitigated, the damage is done and accounted for.

    Because of that there’s no urgency any more.

    As UK will bleed more than EU time pressure will actually increase on UK side.

    So, horrible idea.

    [–] The idea that leaving "No Deal" on the table is some kind of bargaining chip is nonsense quick_justice 0 points ago in ukpolitics

    It’s not gonna happen, uk will be our on day one. And as a cherry on top with an impeccable reputation of conniving but stupid mules.

    [–] The idea that leaving "No Deal" on the table is some kind of bargaining chip is nonsense quick_justice 9 points ago in ukpolitics

    Government believes it all right, they just can't admit it as their own Tory mates will tear them a new one for that.

    [–] The idea that leaving "No Deal" on the table is some kind of bargaining chip is nonsense quick_justice 44 points ago in ukpolitics

    They already refused. For them no deal is acceptable risk, that was already mitigated. There's no bargaining power in threatening with the risk that was already accounted for.

    [–] "The first referendum hasn't even been enacted" quick_justice 0 points ago in ukpolitics

    It was never tried. There were promises to build it. There were never ever a communist country in terms of political regime. There was countries ruled by people who believe or claim to believe in communism, there were countries that were attempting to build communism, there were never ever a country with communism as political regime.

    [–] Corbyn’s insistence to remove the possibility of no-deal has parallels with his ideas about nuclear disarmament. quick_justice 2 points ago in ukpolitics

    No Deal has no value in negotiations. When people say that it can be used as a threat to get more concessions from EU, they are completely deluded, as EU already prepared itself to take the damage, and already made contingency plans. These risks already accounted for and deemed acceptable on their side. So from negotiation stand point no deal has no value.

    The only reasons for no deal are 1) May trying to blackmail parliament in unpalatable deal she brought with her red lines 2) Damage control within the Tory party 3) Appease the interests of disaster capitalists

    Seeing how economically horrible no deal is for UK, and how disgusting the above reasons are, Corbyn is absolutely right demanding to end this charade. No deal can't be considered as practical possibility, the last resort should always be revoking A50, not a no deal, as both are damaging politically, bit the first one at least keeps economy intact.

    [–] UK parliament to vote on Brexit Plan B on 29 January quick_justice 2 points ago in ukpolitics

    but fully amendable, isn't it, so doesn't really matter what the plan is?

    [–] Demand for credit cards and mortgages in UK falling fast, warns BofE quick_justice 2 points ago in ukpolitics

    This is a shitty sign especially regarding mortgages. On consumer level unwillingness to get access to credit, especially to essential one like mortgage usually means uncertainty in future.

    [–] PM will make a statement live in Downing Street at 10pm quick_justice 10 points ago in ukpolitics

    this will be a simple case of ahaha parlaiment supports me people support me eat shit you plebs. is all.

    [–] House of Commons : Withdrawal Bill Megathread quick_justice 1 points ago in ukpolitics

    Difference between you and a smuggler is that you want McD to read you license plate and you are not taking any measures to prevent it. Tech solution is a pipe dream. If you have unmanned transparent border people and goods will pass through. You won't be able to smuggle a eurotrack full of alcohol perhaps, but you will be absolutely able to smuggle light valuables like tobacco in commercial qualities through the back roads on unmarked vehicles.

    [–] ‘Can we get over feeling sorry for Theresa May?’ This audience member criticises the prime minister’s handling of Brexit. #bbcqt quick_justice 24 points ago in ukpolitics

    For one, another person could have been more honest, transparent, upfront. You would have ended in the same place, but with country more understanding, united, ready for the choice.

    Her underhand tactics completely eroded the trust of all parties. Even if the deal would be exactly the same the damage to society she caused was very avoidable.

    [–] BBC Mark D’Arcy reports a motion of no confidence in the Speaker “looks pretty certain” quick_justice 39 points ago in ukpolitics

    And how is this supposed to pass if the majority of the house just supported the speaker indirectly by accepting his actions?