Please help contribute to the Reddit categorization project here

    smurfyjenkins

    + friends - friends
    417,926 link karma
    47,294 comment karma
    send message redditor for

    [–] ICE targets a million people who have final deportation orders but remain in the U.S. smurfyjenkins 10 points ago in news

    This is the title of the CBO report:

    The Impact of Unauthorized Immigrants on the Budgets of State and Local Governments

    By my count, just the terms "unauthorized", "illegal" and "undocumented" appear 85 times in the NAS report.

    And you "read" these reports...

    [–] ICE targets a million people who have final deportation orders but remain in the U.S. smurfyjenkins -19 points ago in news

    The NAS report in question covers legal and illegal immigrants separately, and concludes that they are both net benefits. I suggest you bother to read the report before brazenly lecturing others about its contents.

    [–] ICE targets a million people who have final deportation orders but remain in the U.S. smurfyjenkins -24 points ago in news

    I don't even live in the US. I can however read and subsequently form an informed opinion. I suggest you give it a try.

    [–] ICE targets a million people who have final deportation orders but remain in the U.S. smurfyjenkins 7 points ago * (lasted edited 18 hours ago) in news

    You are cherry-picking parts of the report in order to misrepresent it. This is literally the first sentence of the report:

    Over the past two decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that, in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use.

    I hope you'll take this information on board.

    [–] ICE targets a million people who have final deportation orders but remain in the U.S. smurfyjenkins -23 points ago in news

    A large majority of Americans do not favor deporting all illegal immigrants.

    If there is no policy to deter a crime from happening and no will to enforce the penalties when it does happen, that’s effectively decriminalization.

    There are countless crimes that are not effectively enforced, because doing so is a complete waste of resources and because destroying lives to enforce misdemeanors is generally considered ridiculous (unless it revolves around sticking it to brown people).

    [–] ICE targets a million people who have final deportation orders but remain in the U.S. smurfyjenkins 9 points ago in news

    There have been comprehensive assessments on this question by the non-partisan CBO and the National Academies of Sciences. Instead of citing these, which show net fiscal benefits to undocumented immigration, you cited a fringe assessment by the same conservative think tank that publishes climate change denial nonsense.

    [–] ICE targets a million people who have final deportation orders but remain in the U.S. smurfyjenkins -2 points ago in news

    What the report says:

    Perhaps the most important of the data recommendations for advancing research on immigration identified in this report—and also recommended in our sister panel’s report (National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine, 2015) The Integration of Immigrants into American Society—is for the U.S. Census Bureau to add a question on the birthplace of parents to the American Community Survey (ACS).

    The American Community Survey =/= the Decennial Census.

    [–] ICE targets a million people who have final deportation orders but remain in the U.S. smurfyjenkins 15 points ago in news

    This is a fringe assessment by a think tank that also publishes climate change denial nonsense. It's entirely out of sync with the academic literature on the subject.

    [–] ICE targets a million people who have final deportation orders but remain in the U.S. smurfyjenkins -5 points ago * (lasted edited 18 hours ago) in news

    No, the National Academies of Science report (which is state-of-the-art) does show that there are net benefits.

    edit: This clown has deceptively edited his comment so I'm replying to what was originally there.

    [–] ICE targets a million people who have final deportation orders but remain in the U.S. smurfyjenkins -4 points ago in news

    Except these studies show that undocumented immigrants do not have an adverse impact on the U.S. in terms of public coffers. It's also worthwhile to note that the population of illegal immigrants in the U.S. peaked in 2007 (when they were 4% of the total), and that they are now 3.3% of the total. This is not a "problem" that's getting worse.

    [–] ICE targets a million people who have final deportation orders but remain in the U.S. smurfyjenkins -16 points ago in news

    First-generation immigrants are more costly to governments than are the native-born

    This is the full quote (presumably from this study): "First-generation immigrants are more costly to governments than are the native-born, but the second generation are among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.

    You can't have one without the other, and on net, they make positive fiscal contributions.

    [–] ICE targets a million people who have final deportation orders but remain in the U.S. smurfyjenkins -64 points ago * (lasted edited 19 hours ago) in news

    This destroys lives, and without any benefit at all to Americans. It's a complete waste of resources. People would not accept this as a punishment or use of resources for any other misdemeanor.

    Here's what the research about the relationship between illegal immigration and crime shows:

    • There is a consensus that illegal immigrants have essentially no impact on the crime rate (1, 2, 3, 4).
    • All studies that specifically look at sanctuary policies and crime have found that sanctuary policies have essentially no impact on the crime rate (1, 2, 3, 4), and that immigration enforcement has no impact on the crime rate (1, 2, 3).

    Here's what the research on the economic impact of illegal immigration shows:

    • Studies show that undocumented immigrants are good for the economy and the average American (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6).
    • A study in one of the top economics journals found that strict immigration enforcement substantially increases the likelihood that US-born children with undocumented immigrant parents will live in poverty.
    • Research does not indicate that immigration enforcement is good fiscal policy; on the contrary, it's more likely to be a net cost for tax-payers (1, 2, 3, 4, 5).

    If this is implemented, it leaves America worse off. But so long as it also hurts brown people, that makes it worth it, right?

    [–] ICE targets a million people who have final deportation orders but remain in the U.S. smurfyjenkins -41 points ago * (lasted edited 19 hours ago) in news

    The big deal is that this destroys lives, and without any benefit at all to Americans. It's a complete waste of resources. People would not accept this as a punishment or use of resources for any other misdemeanor.

    Here's what the research about the relationship between illegal immigration and crime shows:

    • There is a consensus that illegal immigrants have essentially no impact on the crime rate (1, 2, 3, 4).
    • All studies that specifically look at sanctuary policies and crime have found that sanctuary policies have essentially no impact on the crime rate (1, 2, 3, 4), and that immigration enforcement has no impact on the crime rate (1, 2, 3).

    Here's what the research on the economic impact of illegal immigration shows:

    • Studies show that undocumented immigrants are good for the economy and the average American (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6).
    • A study in one of the top economics journals found that strict immigration enforcement substantially increases the likelihood that US-born children with undocumented immigrant parents will live in poverty.
    • Research does not indicate that immigration enforcement is good fiscal policy; on the contrary, it's more likely to be a net cost for tax-payers (1, 2, 3, 4, 5).

    If this is implemented, it leaves America worse off. But so long as it also hurts brown people, that makes it worth it, right?

    [–] Mitch McConnell Wonders Why Jon Stewart Is ‘All Bent Out of Shape’ Over 9/11 Victim Compensation Fund smurfyjenkins 344 points ago in politics

    Mitch McConnell played a key role in blocking the 2015 version of this bill. The logic is to force Democrats to give Republicans something in return for doing something that is in the country's interest (health care for 9/11 responders). Last time, McConnell blocked the bill because he wanted to force Democrats to make concessions to the oil industry. His hope was that Democrats would fear that the public would punish them (because "both parties are the same" and "Congress is dysfunctional" rather than Republicans being evil) unless they gave in to McConnell's hostage-taking.

    In other words, 9/11 responders are just a pawn for McConnell.